patricia, the rush is lower in ukraine on to since front line starts october 26th on d. w. senior american diplomats fly back into the middle east promising to stand by 11. and even if the ally, israel continues massive strikes on bay root and other parts of the country, it doesn't look like a formula for peace. but my guest today doesn't give up easily on that prospect is you'll see bailing, former justice minister and peace negotiations in israel. i believe that there is a chance that up those that to will when people that this then the managing that the conflict is your child of these and impossible. knowing more people we tend to go for the appropriate for how does he explain the humanitarian catastrophe is

riley has presided over in gaza and its refusal to heath coals for restraints from washington is another year, a bit of conflict in the region. unavoidable. you'll see painting welcome to come pick zone in q hopes of any low in the fighting in the middle east after the killing of the how mosley the yes and why these seem to have evaporated pretty quickly in your view does is death change anything you know you know, these things only post for people you, you have to wait and it will beat until, you know, avoid that or something like that. is, is having an influence on history, on or see or with degree. it is quite likely just that the, somebody like him, lloyd such a huge influence on his organization. we change things all on the,

on the ground. i mean, he and, and come us, well the, the biggest the disposal on the piece process or the piece bosis of the police didn't use site. one of the main reasons for me to, to go for the us know process the was the strengthening of i'm us a 9293 a. so you still use somebody else and we don't know. oh, might be that he's a successful about the of doing something, somebody as old be a ready to way make out of how much a game kind of a, a social movement or even a political body rather than looking became k c to say the and they'll say, hopefully 272-8080 over 88. then they'll might be a historic change. if we do, somebody will always a to a need to go logical or successful of, of,

i will say you see it seeing while then they maybe nothing will happen from now. israel's prime minister seems to be happy fighting on multiple friends, but at every stage he stopped listening to his closest ally joe biden. does he have no respect phone? or is he hoping that to spend donald trump will be in power again soon? literally, samuel has given me a very difficult question mean trying to spend the motivation of the a of the be is a very big challenge and a, but you've watched him closely for many years. yeah, i wasn't child, you'll see me and i was a, an equal weight, and i was a inmate in a position to amended both as well. but that the point is it doesn't meet that the stand if we think this is doing and directly i tend to spend less and less. does he despise the by doing?

i don't think so. i don't think so. the point is that the a, he cherished he is a ongoing, a k road, his, the brand new stuff is way more than anything else, including the relations so way through with other countries which he is losing. and including the cooperation with united states that he understand in so many is not as for each person, they have the physically in bulk of, of, of a i. l must be pulled and that like a week is way but a what do you and use to, to choose between these lunatics and these cabinets like bank with and the smoke lead to and others not only then. then he chooses them, not because he prefers them, but because without them he doesn't pivot company. hey, a call he should. that's why he's making that choice. would you say that relations between washington and jerusalem now in the west states that may have been in that

case may be, but it is, it doesn't. a metal, i mean is tomorrow, there is another, a pregnant is that it will change very quickly. we saw, we came to pass or between somebody at least to remember and do it being when it would show meal in a wicked and, and the a, the american president, a boss defy the it was offered and then came a ravine. and they were never better a relation, so it is very person that i is ready to very much. i think that that a, b, b is, is making a huge mistake about the disease preferences and he's present it is the preference is quite clear. what does his preferences seem to being to ignore, completely american stretches about? thank you, matthew terry and age. especially in northern gaza. israel has gone on to create

something of a living. hell for 2000000 people. has that shop to well, a series you'll see skins shopping me about the dung out, but it is not a bit too. i think that the main problem is not necessarily days very reluctance a to a to send aid to that. but as tanya is about to defect, the commodities taking all the so once it do the, the, the trucks on the guys is side doubt they can get in dallas selling gate. i mean, it is, it is given for free all 4 of the schools in dallas, selling you'd have to do it, but it's dania until the pulpit is doing, is there. so a, i think that they hear, i don't, i, i will do the necessarily blame a, him a, but the fact that the, how much doesn't they allow the, the trucks to get this the came but ask for, but the taking thinking all the categories, the drugs yes,

but you had us agencies who have specifically blamed these radio authorities for holding up the shipments and not allowing basic goods to get through. so this was a book to put to the secretary of state's blinkin, and he actually lied to congress about it and said that they weren't doing that. but the, the usa, the other agencies were quite clear that these railways were at fault here. okay, so do you, i believe that the danielle had to listen to americans and changes the media and, and it st mole and boy, a trucks that it is. that is, i would say that to back originally, many is where you said that don't give them anything. the police thing is they so died of the style. but what the, you know about to well crime isn't it was and this is like,

never happened. it never happened to that, but i'm pretty close. hasn't that come pretty close? there is no salvation that i don't envy them. and they, they are in very, very poor situation. induced as to and but a is not the is the division of of how go and did they did they have nothing? no and, and to they it's val nutrition, certainly success. evaluate agencies have talked about mountain nutrition, man. yeah, man, man manual. and the question is, something is a then pen installed ation. you'll have metal notation in, in many situations, that the problem is, again, i mean the people on he's caught cabinet l saying there was thing seeing the world they as know if the nation a complete command, then knowing the nation a little a on the edge and they, they, they, they leaving that me, these was so they all do was well saying deep and did it. and the hope, i mean,

gladly, i mean, and then, you know, doesn't they accept what the, many of the over the things that he said it did. they say that they had the bottom line, it depends on them. and if they say something like used to do a and you, if you don't to do a, we leave your car lucian. he finds himself a doing what they want it. in that case, all spells ation indeed an event and those being particular shock internationally, the reports of palestinian children in gaza, shots in the head and chest on multiple occasions with high velocity bullets. the new york times printed testimony from 65 american doctors and health care professionals and gaza. clear implication that these was what the results of collateral damage the kids were targeted. does this, what else? prime minister believe that killing our children makes jewish children safer. when

i it is out for me to believe that it was intentionally done. i, i don't know. he's a part of the house to the forehead and the chest idea. well enough to do. yeah, the one on to the other. i know that i'll me, it is a spokesman. what i can say is that the, the, the, the light by how it is broke and seeing what is happening them seeing what is happening to these way at least seeing what is happening to police doing. is it must and, and the 2 visions, elbow and some of them are right. some of them are wrong. it should. and that, that the situation on the, on the ground and is there is that the feet that is ations is one of the doctors who came in with an aid organization. american doctor said all the drugs and dressings that he tried to bring in with him. and to buy optics, painkillers, bandages all desperately short supply and gaza. all were taken away by these rarely

soldiers before he was allowed into the territory that begged as belief. doesn't that again, again, i am not here as the spokesman of these rarely i have this done, but this is your country. this is your country. i see. but this is like country. so i, i told you on how it is broken. the whole situation is you know, me use is all for, for me. i believe when i get up in the morning, this is the reality here. but if you ask me about specific things about it, about the did the doctors say, hey, um, is this the money and other things like that? i, i can not the honestly, you've always refused to abandon hope of a peace settlement when you, when you see the cottage of gaza, do you still cling to that hope you'll you'll mean the, the assess the nation of 1200 these well is a, you're a goal by some?

no, no, no, i'm to go back to that too, but i'm talking about all the cottage. i don't think that we have speaking about at college, but what has, it was all conducive to peace in many, many cases. what happened to us in the last 2 years of the, the governments of the right was the people gave up on the 2 state solution gave up on a solution for the police thinking and problem said that they, it is okay. if we can manage that conflict or a do something like that with the conflict rather than solving it. and they do use the foundation, shows us that it is impossible that we have to solve the problem is i don't have to tell you that the most important a piece, the group a o o piece developments in, in a, in the model or history happened after the was tools like in the end of the 2nd was

well, when the, you know, it was established when the you about the stablished, when they were back was the stop used all these, all there is the uses ali reside of the was tool in, in human history, so i believe that there is a chance that after such a will win people that this then the managing the, the conflict is your child of these and impossible it knowing what people will then to go for the 4 piece. and i hope also the will really help us to push forward these. we're seeing some groups from the right in israel pushing to resettle garza. in fact, yesterday the prime minister's liquid party invited people to a conference entitled preparing for settlement in gaza. a pretty clear direction of

travel, wouldn't you say, despite all the denials that they were going to reset the la garza what 1st of all, the good news healey, the yellow. so it would never happen. i tended that it is noted and we'll see suddenly an event of the gold about it is meant meant us a very good well the week the something that you want to think, i mean is this, i really hope that it is a bed joke. well, they said then the invitation that didn't leave much room for that will show up. it said liquid members, bronx heads ministers, members of the connected and together will cry out. gaza is ours forever. how many people think that the way it is right? in order to i mean we see the ports, i mean about the settling in gaza is more minority. you will have, you will have about 20 percent. i believe in, in it use way to do what am i supposed all these crazy ideas like building the,

rebuilding the dump and about what do you need more than that? yeah. you as mean associate. i will government who are planning to rebuild the done pretty well. doesn't mean that it will happen. does this government do think really believe israel can be secure without a political solution for the palestinians? apparently to use your pancreas as your view. try to ensure that we've done jo is full training for years. is that that we have to make peace with the arab countries . one, we succeed with the then the can go well to the police doing is and say to them who you, who you'll see a coordination of each one. and they moderate our boundaries. and now we demand that you would do a, b, and c in order to have peace with us. this is these dream. it would never happen. never that but but this is, if you, i think that, that the idea of and so clean a, the, but it's been use with

a lot of like are up countries which have a piece which is way, is a, here's the dream, all plan or whatever. i want to talk in a minute, it's about your own ideas for a resolution of this interminable conflict. but let me go back to prediction that you made in january when you said that nothing you all who would lose the support of these western allies and the is reading the public. the allies may have got fed up with them, but they're terrified of withdrawing their support all day. and what criticism that has been is made pretty soft. or u. d. e is it? he gets about 50 percent of the public opinion. you can see all the a, the public opinion polls that this is, this is the ceiling. so he does not. he doesn't have them a job. he is, he has support is nobody's policies back on top of the survey. so isn't it? yeah, but that the numbers of how small and i mean in an environmental for the 120 doubt

getting something like 22 seats. they do this is and, and, and they, it's a, the apologies all getting good 2018. so it is not that say he became very popular. hey even this i reside display the the success is a in duel. well, what he is portraying is big success as if you have a plan for a palestinian is riley confederation as a as a stepping stone. i think you said to a 2 state solution um, before i ask you for the details, do you have any indication a tool that such a plan would be acceptable to any part of this is really government or indeed any palestinian administration. one day before we signed the old before we exposed it, most of the process is that they,

there wasn't majority of or for 80 percent against any books. we did piano and one day after that bill was the majority for the same happened with the the withdrawal form seat sy, night by you may not have him begging in the when he signed the agreement in the 79 . i, i'm not worried about it. i believe the people who would like to have a piece and lee follow this little sheet. i asked the question, because last month jordan's prime minister revived the 2 state solution himself and said he was mandated by 57 arab and muslim states to offer a guarantee of security to israel in return for an agreement on an independent palestinian state. the offer wasn't gone, so that was threatened straight in the band wasn't it, which is not a helpful sign of coke, but then you always do to throw every m, we think things like that. but by the way, the full day a drop, a,

a glance which was issued in the beginning of 2000 when he's supposed to do it or go, it gives a 2 state solution. although it is your peak. and i don't think that the policy is going to accept the but still it was a 2 states, it looks and, and then you also bought it. otherwise he rejected everything. what is the whole idea of the configuration? when we signed the agreement with 90000 settlers in the west bank, i don't count is 0. is that then cause this is something is to day it is how familiar now, most of them will be and next to easy way. even if it goes into that will plan it is we, we are going to a next to point 25 percent of the west bank, but most of the said little sleeve bill. so full damage would not be a problem because well, the 1st time that we will become a citizen, so leave on the, on solving and country. and there will be

a land swamp of the same amount of a, of a land and a and did they call it the quality of the, on the quality opening. back about 170000 settlers. we'd find themselves in the future as being estate. even in the past, we used to say ok, usually the strong democracy. if we decide to have a new ball deal, we would be able to evaluate all these way. you set it as a from the homes is to day becoming the most important and relevant of the code on the way of peace. because we know almost exactly what we'd be. well, we'd be the ball deal. what would it be with your username? what would be with the, with the day they or city in jerusalem, the refugees and you name me? yes. the band and cannot just put to you the fact. but so much of what you suggest seems to depends on trust. and that really isn't very between the 2 sides off to

what's happened. you can't just sit down and manufacture it. can you the a palestinian survey from july showed that only 10 percent of these really jews and 6 percent of palestinians trust the other side. not nearly enough for a big ticket. confederation is it. did we uh, is drugs the joel daniel and sold the jeep. sions, did they trust the, the jewels move? yeah. but you want them to live right side by side in this confederation of his daily today. yeah. i'm not, i'm not very happily. i'm not very happy to look at the westbank, look at the settler violence against palestinians in the west bank. best of all. people who say, who is my main thought the and the google studies thing is joined us. a military expelled split patients and others professors in order to write the book in which the idea of leaving the side by side or remaining side by side is refill

too. if you, including the security aspects of elf, is that just a solution? it is, it is not simply, it is not easy, no solution is competing with it. no solution. anybody who comes to leave and says, i am spinning for the 2 state solution. i'm asking him o l. what are you going to do with the settlers? if you say they will have to, to go bit to is what i say. i don't know. a bryant is still a potential bradman is though it is way right or left. always going to do something like this. you must find a solution you throughout your a form of your former justice minister. the supplements are really go under international law. the what if you have an agreement, it will be a legal agreement and it, we overall order the ability to a situation. i mean, nobody's saying that because it is against the intuition,

i know we cannot have lead swaps, for example, only the thoughts of the search. those is such a means they'll know that dia offline swaps. and the idea that most of the city as we main will the oh, was suggested by the by they are upside. or if you remember the day you, they came to day it to the full bill. it a many got ministration and, and the, the cloud that it is not doesn't have to be the $67.00 boulders, but it can be a lens, one small which would take into account the number. the big number of both of these varies so on the west bank. if you asked me, no one is a should have lived in the west bank. no one setting then feel that be so they've been a beat, but i have to deal with the reality. any does such a reality? the idea is that once we know the number of the police pinions who it was,

the result of these ladies will be to remain in palestine. spellman, and a residence and use the alias citizens. this same number of police thing is what we would like to get to this is a, it's a residence bill and, and the residence we'd be allowed to do that. you'll see a button. and what if, what if this plant gets turned down? what, what i mean it's already been done. i mean by whom the prime minister doesn't. yeah, was already said is his role is to prevent the formation of a palestinian, this federal sees deal that even though does copays. yeah. and what is the next one? says the same thing, there is no plan b is that you have no plan b, its 2 state solution or not fair use that it. i had many other plans that the, the 2 state solution is a result of the fact that the right the rejected or the other plans. so this is

a plan which i believe is realistic is nothing. wilks, we really have to do is do any of that too early, and it is old for, but it is not that we all know that we are all funds and that if not, if there is no agreement, nothing really happened. no, even there is no agreement with the other side because the other side, they also say that 2020 then is what that is, where at least showed a withdrawal you and your rental. otherwise we'd become it. joyce, minority domain, i think it buddies, pinion of majority between the river and the sea, and this is the end of the zone. you split? yes, it barely good. see you. thank you very much indeed for your time. thanks for being on complex on. thank you. thank you. the

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