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because i might have some trouble fixing meals. cultural identity meant, let's say together, because i talked about community life on the research is now on the senior american diplomats fly back into the middle east, promising to stand by 11. and even if the ally, israel continues massive strikes on a route and other parts of the country, it doesn't look like a formula for peace. but my guess today doesn't give up easily on that prospect. these, you'll see valan, former justice, minnesota, on peace negotiations in israel. i believe that there is a chance that up those that's it will when people have this, then the managing that they the conflict is your child of these and impossible knowing what people will then to go for the 4 piece for how does he explain the
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humanitarian catastrophe. israel has presided over in gaza and its refusal to heath coals for restraints from washington is another year of bits of conflict in the region. unavoidable you'll see painting welcome to come pick zone in hopes of any low in the fighting in the middle east. after the killing of the how my sweet the yes and why these seem to have evaporated pretty quickly in your view does is death change anything. you know, you know, these things only 1st of up to you. you have to wait that it would beat until you know what boy, that was something like that is, is having an influence on history, on or see or with degree. it is quite likely just that the, somebody like him, lloyd such a huge influence on his organization. will change things all on the,
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on the ground. i mean, he and, and come us, well the, the biggest, the spoke bill on the piece process of the piece both is of the buddies. thing is site. one of the main reasons for me to, to go for the us know process the, what is the strengthening of i'm us a 9293 a. so you feel you somebody is and we don't know. oh, might be that he's a successful but even though his, some, somebody as old be a ready to way make out of how much a game kind of a, a social movement or even a political body rather than what he became k c to say the end of the hopefully 272-8080 over 88. then they'll might be a historic change. if we do somebody who is
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a totally the go logic, a successful of, of, i will say easy it seen while then they maybe nothing will happen from now. israel's prime minister seems to be happy fighting on multiple friends, but at every stage he stopped listening to his closest ally joe biden. does he have no respect phone? or is he hoping that to spend donald trump will be in power again soon? literally, samuel has given me a very difficult question mean trying to spend the motivation of the way of the be is a very big jennings and what you've watched him closely for many years. yeah, i wasn't child, you'll see me and i was a to equal it and i was a, an inmate in a position to him and both as well. but that the point is it doesn't mean that the stand, everything is doing and directly i tend to spend less and less. does he despise
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the by doing? i don't think so. i don't think so. the point is to the d a, he cherished he is a ongoing, a k road, his day to bremond and stuff is way more than anything else, including the relations so way through with other countries which he is losing. and including the cooperation with united states. so he understands that we need is not as for each person a understands. the importance of, i'll say, is i will most important that like a week is why, but a one you would use to, to choose between these lunatics in his cabinet like bank with and the smoke lead to and others not only then, then he chooses them, not because he prefers them, but because without them he doesn't pivot coming. hey, a call he should. but while he's making that choice, would you say that relations between washington and jerusalem,
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i'm now in the west states and they have been in decades maybe. but it is it best on the metal. i mean is tomorrow, there is another, a pregnant is that it will change very quickly. we saw, we came to pass, or between somebody at least you'll remember and do it being when it would show me a, in a wicked and, and the a, the, the american president, a boss defy the it was offered and then came a ravine. and they were never better a relation, so it is very person that i a great very much i think that that a, b, b is, is making a huge mistake about the disease preferences and he's present it. is there a preference is quite clear. why does his preferences seem to being to ignore completely american stretches about? thank you, monetary and age,
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especially in northern gaza. israel has gone on to create something of a living. hell for 2000000 people. that's not shocked too. well, the various you'll see skins shopping me about the dung out, but it is not that that to i think that the main problem is not necessarily day's very reluctance a to a to incent 8 to the but it's telling us about the defect, the commodities taking all the so once it do the, the, the trucks on the guys is side doubt they can get in dallas selling dude. i mean, it is, it is given full free or full of full of goals and del, sending you a 2 dependents. daniel into the pool, but it's doing is there. so a, i think that the, you, i don't, i, i will do the necessarily blame a, him, a, but the fact that the, how much doesn't they allow the, the trucks to get this the came but ask for,
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but they taking thinking all that it is the trucks, yes, but you have usa agencies who have specifically blamed these radio authorities for holding up the shipments and not allowing basic goods to get through. so this was a book to put to the secretary of state's blank gun, and he actually lied to congress about it and said that they weren't doing that. but the usa, the other agencies were quite clear that these railways were at fault here. okay, so do you, i believe that the danielle way had to distant the americans and changes the, i mean and, and it said to me, oh, and boy, a trucks. it is because i would say back to back originally, many is where you said don't give them anything. the police thing is they so died of the style. but what the,
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what about the world crime business goals and this is like never happened. it never happened to that, but i'm pretty close. hasn't that come pretty close? there is no salvation that i don't envy them and the daily and very, very poor situation. and this is to and about a is not the is a division of, of how go and did the data has nothing. no and and to day it's val nutrition, certainly success. evaluate agencies have talked about mountain nutrition man. yeah . man, man, man and electrician is something, is a then pen installed ation. you'll have metal notation in, in many situations. the problem is again, i mean the people on he's caught cabinet l saying there was thing in the world. they as know it, the nation a go meet them and then knowing the nation a little a on the edge and they, they, they, they leaving that me these was so they all do was well saying deep and did it. and
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the hope, i mean, gladly, i mean that, that doesn't accept what that many of the over the things that he said it did. they say that they had the bottom line. it depends on then. and if they say something like, used to do a and you, if you don't to do a, we, we leave, you'll call lucian. he finds himself a doing what they want. in that case of style vision indeed. and yes, the band and those being particularly shock internationally, the reports of palestinian children in gaza, shots in the head and chest on multiple occasions with high velocity bullets. the new york times printed testimony from 65 american doctors and health care professionals and gaza. clear implication that these was what the results of collateral damage the kids were targeted. does this, what else? prime minister believe that killing are of children makes jewish children safer?
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when i it is out for me to believe that it was intentionally done. i. i don't know reason for that house through the full head and the chest idea. one off to the other one on the other. i know that i'll me. it is a spokesman. what i can say is that the, that the, the light by how it is broke and seeing what is happening them, seeing what is happening, police way, at least seeing what is happening to police doing is it must and, and the 2 visions, elbow and some of them are right, some of them are wrong. it should end date that the situation on the, on the ground. and it's so is that the feet that is ations is one of the doctors who came in with an age organization. american doctor said all the drugs and dressings that he tried to bring in with him and to buy optics. painkillers, bandages all,
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desperately short supply and gaza. all were taken away by these reading the soldiers before he was allowed into the territory that begged as belief doesn't that again, again, i am not here as the spokesman of these rarely i have this done, but this is your country, this is your country. i see, but this is my country, so i told you on how it is broken. the whole situation is, you know me use is all for for me. i believe when i get up in the morning, this is the reality here. but if you ask me about specific things about it, about the did the doctors say they um is testimony and other things like that i, i cannot the honestly you've always refused to abandon the hope of a peace settlement when you, when you see the cottage of gaza, do you still cling to that hope you'll you'll mean that the assassination of 1200 these values, you've been goal by some. no, no, no,
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i'm to go back to that too. but i'm talking about all the cottage. i don't think that we have speaking about at college, but what has it was all confused these to be in many, many cases. what happened to us in the last 2 years of the, the governments of the right was the people that gave up on the 2 state solution gave up on this solution for the police thinking and problem said that they, it is okay. if we can manage the conflict or a do something like that with the conflict rather than solving it. and then use the foundation, shows us that it is impossible that we have to solve the problem. i don't have to tell you that the most important a piece of group a o o piece developments in, in a,
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in the model or history happened after the was tools like in the end of the 2nd was well, when the, you know, it was established when the you about the stablished, when they, they were bank, but it was a se, all these, all there is the uses ali reside of the was tool in, in human history. so i believe that there is a chance that after such a will win people that this then the managing, the, the, the conflict is your child of these and impossible it knowing what people will then to go for the 4 piece. and i hope also the will really help us to push forward these. we're seeing some groups from the right in israel, pushing to reset all gaza. in fact, yesterday the prime ministers look good party invited people to a conference entitled preparing for settlement in gaza. a pretty clear direction of
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travel, wouldn't you say, despite all the denials that they were going to recycle garza? what says the for the good news here is that the yellow so it would never happen. i tended that it is noted and we'll see suddenly an event of the gold about it. these man meant us a very good. well the week is something you want to think. i mean, is this, i really hope that it is a bed joke. well, they said then the invitation to didn't leave much room for that will show up. it said liquid members, branch heads, ministers, members of a connected and together will cry out. garza is ours forever. how many people think that the way it is right? in order to i mean we see the ports, i mean about the settling in gaza is more minority. you will have, you will have about 20 percent. i believe in, in it easy way to do what am i supposed all these crazy ideas like building the,
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rebuilding the dump and about what do you need more than that? yeah, you as mean does, does it? i will government who are planning to rebuild the done pretty well. doesn't mean that it will happen. does this government do think rarely believe israel can be secure without a political solution for the palestinians? apparently to use your pancreas and your view, try to ensure that we've done jo is full training for years. is that that we have to make peace with the arab countries. one, we succeed with the then the can go well to the police doing is and say to them who you, who you'll see a coordination of each one. and they moderate our boundaries. and now we demand that you would do a, b, and c in order to have peace with us. this is these dream. it would never happen. never that but, but this is, if you, i think that,
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that the idea of and so clean a, the, but it's been use with a moderate arab countries which have a piece which is way, is a, here's the dream, all plan or whatever. i want to talk in a minute, it's about your own ideas for a resolution of this interminable conflict. but let me go back to prediction that you made in january when you said that nothing you all who would lose the support of these western allies and the is really public. the allies may have got fed up with them, but they're terrified of withdrawing the support all day. and what criticism that has been is made pretty soft. well, he is, he gets about 50 percent of the public opinion. you can see all the a, the probably could be impose that this is, this is silly. so he does not. he doesn't have the job. he is, he has support is nobody's policies back on top of the survey. so isn't it?
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yeah, but that the numbers of how small i mean in, in, in the bottom of the 120 doubt getting something like 22 seats. they do this, is it and, and they, it's a, the other apologies. all getting good 2018. so it is not that say he became very popular. hey, even this that resides mostly the success is a in dual or what he is portraying is big success as if you have a plan for a palestinian is riley confederation as a, as a stepping stone. i think you said to a 2 state solution um, before i ask you for the details, do you have any indication a tool that such a plan would be acceptable to any part of this is really government or indeed any palestinian administration. one day before we signed no own before we exposed it, most of the processes that they there wasn't majority of or for 80 percent
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against any books. we did piano and one day after that bill was the majority floating, the same happened with the the withdrawal form seat sy, night by you man, i am begging even the one who signed the agreement in the 79. i. i'm not worried about it. i believe the people who would like to have a piece and leave follow this little sheet. i asked the question, because last month's jordan's prime minister revived the 2 state solution himself and said he was mandated by 57 arab and muslim states to offer a guarantee of security to israel. in return for an agreement on an independent palestinian state they offer wasn't gone. so that was started straight in the band, wasn't it, which is not a helpful sign of coke, but then you always do to throw every m, we think things like that. but by the way, the full day a drop, a,
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a glance which was issued in the beginning of 2000 when he supposed to do it or go, it is a 2 state solution, although it is your peak. and i don't think that the policy is going to accept the but still it was it to states, it looks and, and that then you know, simple good. otherwise he rejected everything. what is the whole idea of the configuration? when we sign the agreement there with $90000.00 said lives in the west bank. i don't count is 0. is that then cause this is something is to day is how familiar now most of them will be next to easy way. even if it goes into that, we'll plan it is we, we are going to a next to point 25 percent of the west bank, but most of the said little sleeves deal. so for them, it would not be a problem because for the 1st time they would become a citizen. so leave on the,
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on solving them country and they'll will be a land swamp of the same amount of a, of a land and a and did they call it the quality of the, on the call it the open in back about 170000 settlers, we'd find themselves in the future as being in state. even in the past, we used to say ok usually is a strong democracy. if we decide to have a new ball deal, we would be able to evaluate all of these way. you said is a, from the homes is to day becoming the most important and will event of the good on the way of peace. because we know almost exactly it, what would be, well, it would be the bullet deal. what would it be with your username? what would it be with the, with the date a, or the city andrews island, the refugees and you name me? yes. the band and cannot just put to you the fact. but so much of what you suggest
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seems to depends on trust. and that really isn't very between the 2 sides off to what's happened. you can't just sit down and manufacture it. can you the a palestinian survey from july showed that only 10 percent of these really jews and 6 percent of palestinians trust the other side. not nearly enough for a big ticket. confederation is it. did we? uh, is drunk. the joel daniel is old the jeep since did they trust the, the jewels man? yeah. but you want them to live right side by side. and this confederation is busy today. yeah. i'm not, i'm not very happily. i'm not very happy to look at the westbank. look at the settler violence against palestinians in the west bank. the stuff or eva who said he was my main thought, the and the google studies opinions joined us. a military expos, petitions, and others, professors in order to write the book,
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you reach the idea of leaving the side by side or remaining side by side is refill too. if you including the security aspects of l for such as a solution. it is, it is not simple, it is not easy, no solution is competing with it. no solution. anybody who comes to leave and says, i am spinning for the 2 state solution. i'm asking him o l. what are you going to do with the settlers? if you say they will have to, to go bit to is what i say. i don't know a bradman is the potential bradman is though it is way right or left. always going to do something like this. you must find a solution. you sure that your oklahoma, your former justice minister, the settlements are really go under international law. i think. what if you will have an agreement? it will be a legal agreement, any we or overall order the ability to a situation. i mean, nobody's saying that because a,
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it is against the intuition. i know we cannot have lead swaps. for example, only thought of the search. those is such a means they'll know that dia o'fallon swaps. and the idea that most of the deceptive would remain, will they all was suggested by the by they are upside. if you remember the day you, they came to day it to the full bill at a many got ministration and, and the, the cloud that it is not doesn't have to be the $67.00 boulders, but it can be a land swipe swap which would take into account the number, the big number of both of these varies so on the west bank. if you asked me, no one is a should have lived in the west bank, no one setting, then she'll that be. so they've been a beat, but i have to deal with the reality. any does such a reality?
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the idea is that once we know the number of the palestinians who it was, the result of these ladies will be to remain in thought his time is spellman and a residence and use of alias citizens. this same number of police thing is what we would like to get to this is a, is a, where is it then spill in the residence? we'd be allowed to do that. you'll see a button. and what if, what if this plant gets turned down? what, what i mean, it's already been done. i mean, by the prime minister netanyahu has already said his, his role is to prevent the formation of a palestinian, this federal sees the load. does copays. yeah. and what is the next one says the same thing. there is no plan b is that you have no plan b, its 2 state solution or not figures that it i had many other plans that the, the 2 state solution is a result of the fact that the right the rejected or the other plans. so this is
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a plan which i believe is realistic, is nothing. wilks, we really have to do is do any of that too early, and it is awful. but it is not that we all know that we are all funds and that if not, if there is no agreement, nothing really happened. no, even there is no agreement with the other side. because the other side, they also say that 2020 then is what that is, where at least should a withdrawal you and your level. otherwise, we'd become it. joyce, minority domain, i think it bodies pinion of majority between the river and the sea. and this is the end of the zone you split? yes, it barely good. see you. thank you very much indeed for your time. thanks for being on conflict. so. thank you. thank you. the
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