i should have the business dw news off the guy coming up from the program. wagner and the central african republic. is it most schools model for africa once a private and military company. now it is, russia is long down in c and the russian house and the comfort telephone game is just the cultural center. it's head. demetrius city says yes, and rejects criticism. bouldin's got worse. not better after wagner came oh, this is just the mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america. it's josh doesn't look like you know the

i, i'm eddie mike of junior and you are welcome to the program. wagner, in the central african republic, is it most schools model for africa? the wagner group is a russian military company with significant operations on the continent, a key to the process following policy. it was founded in 2014 by russian business mind. you have gave me precaution. after his death, wagner in africa came under the direct control of russia's ministry of defense and change this name to the africa cool. it provides security. unbelief tree supports but also stands accused of propagating anti western, this information campaigns. the groups many g activities have raised concerns about human rights abuses and destabilize ation in the region. rationalize also extending itself into c. r in runs at cultural center called russian house in bounty. before

taxes, it goes to a child, so many cents an exclusive interview with the head of the center mall from the lead time expressed. his report from bunky, the yeah, new blue volume on our fonts. the gym won't be the 19 year old. joseph pas piece a bump level certificate, and so i'm to pick studies like many students in this world on country he's spellings, we're unable to pay for him to attend the university of thank you. so he decided to go, he's one way. is that event as a child, i dreamed of being a polyglot, so it motivated me to learn russian. i'm always human real is learning the language in distortion quarter center, situated at the heart of the copy to bang g, d, p, c, d. he's the head of the russian house. he sees the demand for language classes and cultural activities shows it is doing one thing. bringing russia and the central

african republic closer together. right now we are more focused on the children's lace and the children's rights very much representing the russian universe, this and russian schools for local students that can go awesome for studies in russia. and right now, as a russian for the city of africa is developed and rep in russia is giving much more protests for african students to study in, in russia. not it was good news. again, risky alpha. the now me is one of the teachers in the ocean language center. how far the east central african. i'm home, all the russian. all of them leave in bank. the question was bone. she has a deeper my, you know, counting and management from a college here in thank he, she never went to a formality chuck cleaning process. but how mother taught how russian,

why does she was growing up? and she decided to go same to what a central africans let alone go to the russian language as an asset. and also has very significant advantages for this central african population in terms of vocabulary and language language teaching russian language and the central african republic. as an added value, some are some critics say multiple states teach, the russian language here and this nonprofit comfortable me so much things, douglas quality is fund of language. do you agree? so now this has no colonial or political connotations to the central african republic as a country like any other sewed. welcome to the russian language as well. no longer . and it is longed for by the population you mind will each one of the $500.00 students learning the language he, he's clear why? because he wants to move towards. yeah. restaurants alone, i've chosen the russian language to have the opportunity to apply for

a scholarship to do my higher education and medical studies in russia. because at the moment there's a serious health problem in my country. we don't have enough doctors. me, i'd like to help my country by studying and russia to facilitate development, is that you don't want people. so if you're caught a glimpse of him involved reports, dimitris, city, a key play, i environments offer calibrations since he has long been involved in wagner. group activities in c out fast translating media and communications and now of the russian house in bunkie. in december 2022 seats, he was seriously injured in a mil bump attack. he needs i retired to bounty and is a lynch friend of russia's operations in africa. he also has a controlling interest in a mining company that wagner has been sanctioned by the e u in the us for human rights abuses. and city is also on that international functions list. so on this we've invited to experts on a voc in

a mean africa from that kind set of goals. i'm joined by beverly or seeing with the center for strategic and international studies. hello beverly also from booge out in nigeria. i'm joined by philip body and award winning independence. didn't a less than a contribution to the daily beast, news website. hello philip. hello. all of you. welcome to the program. stay with me . as we go through this, i'm in the central african republic. wagner has secured little creative mind and concessions, gaining access to valuable resources, like gold and diamonds. reports is a go to china. i questioned him about that's, that's the goal isn't just been putting sees. oh, she doesn't have a colonial quest. and therefore, is better equipped to work with african countries. but the one that group the cops is here, but it involves extracting minerals here in molly and so done on elsewhere where

you are active. what's the difference? uh next to semantics is ever entity visits. extraction resources, a flavor of what so colonial power. that's no, that's not the case. and i think that this once again, that's a tool of a lesson for go down that to buy and trust as a van de, uh, lost with this are all engaged in certain found this and based on nothing but to it but feel are sent to the application of the west and stand, and so in the russian pull this, the russian posts it as president put in said used to help and to it's, the approach is free with this concept of the nation. and because it's through it, as russia had never had a colonial past, and that's where, uh pro,

which is different. we are acting as a and botanist more than, uh, the, the boss has that info is very old. so and uh, we the to give her a choice to african countries. uh, so we give them a choice to make the, to choose the part that they wish we adjust the competition for the rest of us. so it is frustrating by this but the commission is good, isn't that right? beverly, let me come to you. you had and i called in to sits the roster i is just competing on a level playing field is that writes, in your opinion, i mean, the 2nd song in which russia was able to get into the central african republic allowed it to have some level of dominance, so they came in in 2017 when the c r have requested the un security canceled

supported, well being able to access not just what that is, but also facilitate the training of its military to fight against rentals. at this point, the balance of their problems, which had been the dominant, called back to no power. and they, you would have not quite done enough because the southern federal virus was training and elected the government register came in and was able to not just dominate the security sector but also into the extractive stack. so which, despite that being clear, mining codes have not been very well managed by the authorities. the point. so in terms of level, thank you. i think it depends on where the cartridges are. what kind of messages being bumper gigs, and how to be able to continue retaining? she gets foothold in the region and dos quite a robust in a way that i think western powers have undermine what they want, permitting the un security council, the security deployment. and you know, even that the c, i became a sort of an experiment on what

a russian diplomacy across the region would come to look like. now. 70 as me. right, right. and phillip sits, he says, extraction is trade and russia is helping the people of see, you've been to these mines. what did you see? well, i know if you could just take it to be a very good communicate all of the, but it was doing games of knowledge about this. and how much as far as i can say when get promotions. and the way the company has been to the product, they have been that 0 with so much didn't change. and the one to 2 minds by all means a lot of them, instead of, you know, oh, i was leaving my manager and making sure no one else was that there's glasses, these goals, including my mazda 2 minus to the city. so

you're in the middle show some games and then so the room being able to show some gas on this is for the government. thank you. yeah. which was, you know, shinji before the rush, i was looking, bought some $0.20 out for the more my name. my name is. i don't think there's been any insurance before. what's the right? so demetrius city was a protege. all you have gave me pretty go. is it right? who found that wagner? in 2014, to support the pro ration forces in ukraine, lead to expanding to syria and other parts of africa? this slide facing international functions for goals and continued to be a key voc enough vega until his death in a plane crash in 2023. stay with us guys. the bought that to go to china. i asked the city about precautions possible just to get us a, a year ago, your from

a bus is going to precaution was killed in a pin crush. shortly after the wagner group staged over a 1000000 in russia. how did you feel when you heard about his death? well, uh, and i felt frustrated. it was the case with us from it. and it's only for me for, for a lot of people. so, and it was a huge loss for pricing for african policy in general. and to if i said as i was looking at republic as well, again, it was a big friend of central africa. she made a lot for this country. i was, so of course it goes to straight. it's how close where you do you have any producing? have you worked for him before in the central african republic? i wasn't the lead. uh, what we started working with are you will some directly. uh, that's when uh,

i started working this with him, derek as well. uh. she was staring me in this uh and advising me in this difficult affair and the risk o risk affair. um, but uh, thanks to hear the rise and good steering. uh, we succeeded in this project, it's likely that the plan was shut down on the old us of the russian president vladimir, put in. what do you make of those allegations? i make nothing. i have no information this. so i'd rather not come to any conclusions as i talked to and information right, beverly, you had him since you clearly see for goes in as a false for good in c, r, how that his death change, it must cause dealings with the country. so in one way,

many russia would have great control over some of their seventy's all the power of military's in the country. not some of them is the on the interesting, the across the saw houses where there's also been slowly other similar forces. and for a long time, it's about as if they had been a bit of a capital between the russian defense ministry and the activities of the bottom in the range of the fact that we've seen wife latonya watts. and that pre collision was presenting the political and military challenge between the president automatic present and went back to mutiny. hop sometime in july, just in corporate solutions that's. that's when it became quite evident. that golden influence was not sitting too well with the credit if they don't get. and so when to go out of the way, it enable the russian defense industry as well. especially to have a bit more control over how to get to the change of the kind of industries phillips . let me get your take on this that to goes into involvement and see out improve

things for the people of the country. you've already touched on the mind and aspects of things. gary, nothing good has come off of that. but overall you seems to suggest that security wise, those some sort of positive i'm i right. is that correct? so if you look at the body to the other strings, i tell you that the no, so long piece is sort of no, no, don't get before the door shut down. but i don't understand what you're saying. so because i did it rush, i was going involved in the country to start writing. only the budget was on the not somebody that you only saw somewhere else. and, but it shouldn't have somewhat house, almost full control over. so the have, you know, some level of interest of the company, what the theme of these people would tell you the experiences

when it comes to how they rush and subscribe to personally they come to mining communities. so there's different kind of opinions in the us or the emission to us expression way remains for that right right now. um, several organizations say russia is spreading this information in parts of africa and c, r to distract from the control of a local resources from the link to the mining you just talked about as it go to ask city if his job involved anything else. and to respond to accusations that it was a front for something else. let's say well, that's the problem of less than propaganda. they take a tiny piece of information. they,

ex triple 8 it and the by and people as the babies. and this is based on the some information from the internet and to actually the last that i am right now, i'm the investor of the russian, like an informal investor for russian polis in this country. and that's my responsibility. my main job is analytics and to cultural activities. so this center i should bring or restaurant and the central african republic, closer together via a cultural means. why have the center biling their studies, but spend the time? i still do my job in the ridges of this country for present, or there is any age or in the dark, some of the some of our groups because i've got an experience during my workshop before can agreement or if you're there see and room and i still have that experience this experience to allow. i'm still like,

sometime ago i was in congo in talking with the on to alaska to convince them to disarm it goes also. i think it was in the success a successful mission that helped his arm, or she would sure of uh, onto valeca in the city. and uh, i did like this step by step. uh, i hope i'm coven discovery in this country and bring my face to the citizens. philips sits, he points to his mediation work, says he hopes he is bringing peace to the citizens of c a. r. what do you make of that as well that i'm sorry, what are the ones you do? the whole emissions storage of this a little for the notions beginning. both the company, the groups love justin simpler but also in chrome and

log in. you haven't seen any of those, you know, i mean all new substance abuse and right. i would students situation way eventually . yeah. busy direction, but i'm, you do have some some of the groups which the website to see how you know these i'm groups come together for me and the country for the window. i'm able to get into the confession for the get his own room. so i really, it's just funny or i'm just, what i'm trying to do was to, you know, i don't know when some of this goes just to be on the back. and the example is all about a lot of g as update, which is acting in the country right now. this room it sure. yesterday. oh wait. um, some of these are the type of steve when your function of the you know,

what is the country? so yeah, yeah, ministers, useful piece only has one done very well. i wouldn't be successful. okay. yeah, no, i didn't think it was the country. right. so it seems that beverly that, you know, negotiations on not going as well as city would want people to think. he also said this and i quotes that he is the informal, i'm boss of that old russian policy to see are in a presidential negotiator, would it onto by that guy n c r and come go. what does that tell us about his role as i think i just told you just high how high all the rest of influence is. and the fact that this is not an official person working for the kremlin. for instance, even though there's always been back into the wind line between about the credit,

which is a person who is running the asset cultural center. but it also able to have it, but they have a level of political suite. although the government is negotiating with one of the terms and conditions, how you come to an agreement, which is the possible way to think about what the government's job is supposed to be. the influence that they're on the behalf of not just by whom, but even dependent. he seems to have concerns about some diplomats for pointed out about the culture or russian influence for the fact that the c and has sort of become a bigger cartoons to the president. and the back include, right, so wagner has been accused of serious human rights abuses across africa by human rights organizations and western governments. in the central african republic. they have been accused of burning down villages and killing civilians to take control of

mine. and as, let's get back to the don't use interview with demetrius city with the go to task. so well organizations including the united nations on human rights organizations. i see vitamins here and this central african republic has got worse. not better after . like they're coming late start. do you think, are you worried about that? um oh, this is just a mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america. that's actually not making a of beverly cities sounds determined and dismissive. wagner has obviously called out the nice and c are at the very top. i see you also see that suggested area. how secure is the opposition, though? i mean, i've been printed out the effective security, particularly the capital and saw small towns in the country in 2020. they have this

big campaign against minutes and remo groups. so what the threatening to, what their 2nd time they have a successful about operation is part of what game does not just public presidents within the c r. but also in this i have, but at the moment this report of some of the groups that i encroaching within the capital that had been some disagreement between groups that decided to side with the people joining that training into solomon initiative. and then main groups. they've been scholarship happening in the eastern part of the country with this one . i'm listening to the bean bag, which has been involved in some scholarship substance or media ministry bosses how escalate that because they are also possibly being apparent mean by the same mixed mixed bag at the moment, philip. but just to be clear, this was a long interview. we've only been able to play brief accepts of it,

but to say to repeat that mistress, that you know he's doing the bidding of precedent to a dara. so mom is top like in this to quote, states capture, is that a valid accusation? you think, as i think so how to do that? it seems like we have gone to so this is in the country. i had visited some of these miles. so i know what's going on there and i spoke to somebody else do. and what we are doing, that's what the government doing, collaboration with the these they all are doing what they want to do, give them the, the, this is the shows of the most your daughter and what should happen. but i think some of the minds of the and because the mice, the one of those shall exist. and that's why this conference is still going to. and

that's why it seems like about 6 years in the body. you know, it seems like there's really a term, but in terms of stability in the piece, that's because no one is in the middle of the emissions dealer, you know, sitting down hill and we move for other people to disclose the minutes of the, especially the 1st so that's why i'm guessing sister culture because they only do what did you say and the way. right, so can you live with a lot of the problems and issues? press fixed and solution oriented, and this is what we should be aiming at a, wildly this or international community should be a mean that's beverly. are seeing with a sense of full, strategic and international studies in the car and award winning independence general list and the contribution out to the database to for the full body for my boys riding nigeria. thank you guys for sharing your time with us to thank you so

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