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i. i'm eddie mike of junior and you are welcome to the program. wagner in the central african republic. is it more schools model for africa? the wagner group is a russian military company with significant operations on the continent, a key to the process following policy. it was founded in 2014 by russian business, money of gaining precaution. after his death, wagner in africa came under the direct control of russia's ministry of defense and change this name to the africa. cool. it provides security. unbelief tree supports, but also stands accused of propagating. anti wes, than this information campaigns, the groups when did she activities? i'm raised concerns about human rights abuses and destabilize ation in the region. rationalize, also extending itself into c, r, and runs that cultural center called russian house in bounty. before taxes it go to

a child, so many cents an exclusive interview with the head of the center mall from the late top expressed his report from bunkie as yeah, you blew values on all fonts. the gym will be the 19 year old joseph policies, advanced levels certificate and said unto pick studies like many students in this modern country, he's bearings, weight on able to pay for him to attend the university of things. so he decided to go. he's one way, is that event, as a child, i dreamed of being a polyglot, so it motivated me to learn russian. i'm always human real is learning the language in distortion quarter i center. see to it or the heart of the copy to bang g. d is the head of the russian house. he sees the demand for language classes and

cultural activities shows it is doing one thing. bringing russia and the central african republic closer together. right now they are more focused on the children's lice and the children's rights very much representing the russian injustice and russian schools for local students that can also for studies in russia. and right now, as the russian for the city of, of africa is developing rep in russia is giving much more quote us for african students to study in, in russia. not it was good news. again, bruce, do alpha, the know me is one of the teachers in this ocean language center. how far the east central african. i'm home, all the russian. all of them leave in benji, quite a. she was born. she has a diploma in accounting and management from a college here and then he she never went through

a former teacher training process. but how mode i taught how russian, while she was growing up, and she decided to do the same to the central african, let alone go to the russian language as an asset. and also has very significant advantages for the central african population in terms of vocabulary and language language teaching russian language in the central african republic as an added value. some are some critics say multiple states teach the russian language to this, this much things, level of quality is fund of language here. do you agree? so no, this has no colonial or political connotations to the central african republic as a country like any other. so it welcomes the russian language as well, no longer. and it is longed for by the population. manuel is one of 500 students learning the language he, he's yeah. why? because he wants to move towards. yeah. yeah. as far as the loan, i've chosen the rest of the language to have the opportunity to apply for

a scholarship to do my higher education and medical studies in russia. because at the moment there's a serious health problem in my country. we don't have enough doctors, ma'am. i'd like to help my country by studying and russia to facilitate development, is that you don't want people fussing to. so you caught a glimpse of him. involved reports, dimitris, city, a key play i environments african operations. now since he has long been involved in wagner, group activities and see how fast translating media and communications and now of the russian house in bunky, in december of 2022 seats, he was seriously injured in a mil bump. i talk, he leads, i retired to bounty and is a link spin of russia's operations in africa. he also has a controlling interest in a mining company that bog now has been sanctioned by the you in the us for human rights abuses. and city is also on that international functions list. so on

this we've invited to experts on a voc in a being africa from di, incentive goals. i'm joined by beverly and seeing with the center for strategic and international studies. hello beverly, also from a boot job in nigeria, i'm joined by philip body and award winning independence general. less than a contribute to the daily beast, news website. hello, phillip, hello. all of you. welcome to the program. stay with me. as we go through this, in the central african republic, wagner has secured little creative mind and concessions, gaining access to valuable resources, like gold and diamonds report is a go to china. i questioned him about that's, that's the goal. it's a it's been putting sees. oh, she doesn't have a colonial quest and therefore is better equipped to work with african countries. but the one that group of cops is heavily involved extracting minerals here in

molly and so done on elsewhere where you are active. what's the difference? back to semantics is ever entity that's extraction resources a flavor of what so? colonial power. no, no, that's not the case of who i think the this once again, that's a tool of less than profound that to buy and trust as a bad guy. uh, last with a 0 engaged in southern founders and based on nothing but to that but truly are sent to the implication of the western stand on its own. the russian focus, russian, focus it as president, put and said used to help and to it's the approach this free or this concept of the nation. and because it's through it, as russia had never had a colonial past. and that's where our approaches different to be wrecked

and as a botanist. more than, uh, the, the bosses that impose, they will. so, and uh, we of the, to give her a choice to african countries. uh so we give them a choice to make the, to choose the part that they wish we adjust the competition for the rest and the rest. so it is frustrating by this but the commission is good, isn't that right? beverly letting me come to you, you had and i called into the city roster. i is just competing on a level playing field. is that right? so in your opinion, i mean, the 2nd song which is russian was able to get into the center, the public allowed it to have some level of dominance. so they came in in 2017 when

the c, r had requested the us to create a console. so go to being able to access not just what that is, but also facilitate the training of the military to fight to get struggles at this point. because both of the problems, which had been the dominant call that the no power and they you went have not quite done enough because the southern go button is, was training and elected to government. russia came in and was able to not just dominate the security sector, but also in to the extractive stacks of woods. despite that being clear. mining codes have not been very well managed by the authorities. the point. so in terms of the level playing field, i think it depends on where the boxes are, what kind of messages being colleagues and how to be able to continue retaining. she gets foothold in the region and dos quite a robust in a way that i think western powers have undermine when they will come between the web security council and security deployment. and, you know, we've a lot about the c. i became a sort of an experiment on what

a russian diplomacy across the region would come to look like. now 70 is made. right, right. and phillip sits, he says extraction is trade and russia is helping the people of see, you've been to these mines. what did you see as well? i love to just take you to be a very good communicate all of the but it was doing games of knowledge about this and a lot of the problems. but my one thing when you brush, as a way to break it, has been the been, has been that 0 with so much didn't change on the one to take points by all means a lot of them, instead of you know, oh, i was leaving main communities and making sure that no one else was the, there's glasses, these gold mines,

including my master calls to my social studies. so you mentioned some games and then so the room been able to show some gas on the basis for the government to find, you know, which was you know, shinji before the war, shuffling box and $0.20 out for the money managers. i don't think there's been any injured for what? right. so demetrius sits, he was a protege off. you have gave me pre goes all right. who founded wagner? in 2014, to support the pro ration forces in ukraine, lead to expanding to syria and other parts of africa. this slide facing international functions for goals and continued to be a key vag, enough vega until his death in a plane crash in 2023. stay with us guys about that. to go to china. i asked the

city about precautions possible just to get us a, a year ago, your from a bus is going to precaution was killed in a pin crush. shortly after the wagner groups faced everybody in, in russia. how did you feel when you heard about his death? well, uh, and i felt frustrated. it was the case with us from it. and it's only for me for, for lots of people. so it, and it was a huge loss for pricing for african policy in general. and to if i said as i was looking at public as well, again, it was a big friend of central africa. she made a lot for this country. and it's, so of course it goes to straight, it's how close where you do you have different doors. you have you worked for him before in the central african republic. i wasn't the lead uh when

we started working with all the rules that actually uh, that's when uh, i started working this with him, derek as well. uh. she was still in me in this uh and advising me in this difficult affair and the risk o risk affair. um, but uh, thanks to his advice and good steering. we succeeded in this project. it's likely that the plan was shut down on the old us of the russian president vladimir 14. what do you make of those allegations? i make nothing. i have no information this. so i'd rather not come to any conclusions as i talked to and information. right beverly, you had him since you clearly see for goes in as a forceful good in see or how that his, that change it must cause dealings with the country. so in one

way it meant that russian would have great control over some of the seventy's, all the power military's in the country. now some of them is the, are the interesting, the across the so houses where there's also been slowly other similar forces and for a long time because of the, had been a bit of a tough little between the russian defense ministry and the activities of the bottom in the range of the fact that we've seen quite latonya watts and that precaution was presenting the political and military challenge, particularly the russian president automatically came and went back to mutiny. sometime in july, just as go goes in depth, that's what it became quite evident that causes influence was not sitting too well with the credit if they don't get. and so when to go out of the way it enabled that adoption defense industry as well, especially to have a bit more control over how to get to the change of the kind of industries. philip,

let me get your take on this bid to goes into involvement and see out improve things for the people of the country. you've already touchstone the mind and aspect of things. gary, nothing good has come off from that. but overall you seems to suggest that security wise, those some sort of positive i'm i right. is that correct? so if you look at the body to the other strings, i tell you that the no long piece is sort of the don't get before the door shut. down, but i don't understand what you're saying. so because i did the russians were involved in the country and to certain to all the body was the mother of somebody that you only we saw some riddles and munitions of someone's house, almost full control of. so the have, you know, so level one in the rest of the company,

what the job in the mail just to tell you the experience is when it comes to how the restaurants have started to personally take control of mining communities. so it's different kind of opinions in the us or the emission to us expression way remains the drivers. so yeah, right, right now, um several organizations say russia is spreading this information in parts of africa and c, r to distract from the control of a local resources, probably linked to the mind. and you just talked about as it go to ask city def, his job, involved anything else and to respond to accusations that it was a front for something else. that's a so that's the problem of less than propaganda. they take a tiny piece of information. they ex triple 8 it and the by and people as the

babies. this is based on the some information from the internet. and to actually the last, i am right now, i'm the investor of the russian, like informal investor for russian polis in this country. and that's my responsibility. my main job is analytics and to cultural activities. so this center i should bring or restaurant and the central african republic close to together via cultural means while i have the sender rather than your status, but spend the time, i still do my job in the region some of this country for present or there is any age or the talk smith, some are groups because i've got an experience during my work. and before i got to the inventory, if you're there see agreement,

i still have that experience this experience to allow. i'm still like, sometime ago within congo, i'm talking with the on to alaska to convince them to disarm it goes also. i think it was a success. a successful mission that helped his arm or she would. she wrote a onto valeca in the city and did like this step by step for i hope i'm kelvin discovery in this country and bring my face to the citizens. phillips sits, the points to his mediation work says he hopes he is bringing peace to the citizens of c. r. what do you make of that as well that i'm sorry. what are the ones who do the was the national exchange of this a little for the notions beginning? both the probably the. busy groups love justice but also

go and log in to the results. you know, i mean all new substance abuse and what i would students situation way eventually. busy direction for me to have someone with some of the groups would use the website to see how. busy these i'm groups come together for me and the culture for window able to get into the confession groups to assist fire on what to do was to, you know, i'm there with some of this group just to be able to look at it. and the example is all about g as update, which is acting in the country right now. this room, it's see the wait. um, some of these are the, um,

the type of street when your function of the new location, which is the country. so yeah, yeah. let me see here, just a piece. i only had one done very well, hasn't been successful. okay. no, say i didn't, didn't get to the country. right. so it seems that beverly that, you know, negotiations on not going as well as city would want people to think. he also said this and i quotes that he is the informal, i'm boss of that old russian policy to see are in a presidential negotiator, would it onto by cotton c r and come go. what does that tell us about his role as i think i just told you just high how high all the rest of influence is. and the fact that this is not an official person working for the kremlin. for instance, even though there's always been back into the wind line between the bottom line of

credit, which is a person who is running the asset on the cultural center. but it also able to have it, but they have the level of political suite. although the government is negotiating with one of the terms and conditions, how do come to an agreement, which is the possible if you think about what the government's job is supposed to be. the influence that they have on the behalf of not just the volume, but even the candidate he seems to have the concern that some diplomats are pointed out about the culture or russian influence or the fact that the c and has sort of become a bigger con, doings tube dependent and provide right. so voc about has been accused of serious human rights abuses across africa by human rights organizations in western governments. in the central african republic. they've been accused of burning down villages and killing civilians to take control of mine. and as,

let's get back to deed of use interview with demetrius city with the go to task. so well, organizations including the united nations on human rights organizations. i see vitamins here in the central african republic has got worse. not better after wagner coming. why start? do you think, are you worried about that to? um, oh, this is just a mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america. that's a rush, doesn't look like enough beverly cities sounds determined and dismissive. wagner has obviously called out to niece and see at the very top i see you also see that suggest that area. how secure is the opposition though? i mean, i've been to friends about the meetings, back to the security,

particularly the capital, and saw small towns in the country in 2020. they have this big campaign against minutes and remo groups. so what's the threatening toward the 2nd time they have a successful about operation? this part of what game does not just public presidents within the c r, but also in the saw how. but at the moment, this report of some level groups, the encroaching within the capital that had been some disagreement between groups that decided to side with the people joining that training into solomon initiative . and then main groups. they've been scholarship happening in the eastern part of the country with this one municipal the green bay, which has been involved in some scholarship substance or media ministry bosses how escalate that because they are also possibly being, i mean by the, by the group. so he makes about the moment mixed bag at the moment, philip, but just to be clear, this was a long interview. we've only been able to play brief accepts of it, but to see,

to repeat that mistress, that you know he's doing the bidding of precedent to a dara. some honest, how like can this to quote states capture? is that a valid accusation? you think as i think so how to do, but it seems like i have gone to some of these areas in the country. i had visited some of these matters. so i know what's going on there and i've spoken to somebody else do. and what we are doing, that's what the government doing collaboration with the nice they all are doing what they want to do. give them the, the, this is the shows of the, you know, most your daughter and what's your happened? i didn't finish upgrading the minds of the and because the mice, the one of those shall exist. and that's why this conference is still going to. and

that's why it seems like the 6 years. and the money, you know, seems like there's the 1000000 time. but in terms of stability, investment is that's because no one is in the middle of the emissions, you know, sitting down hill and we move for other people to disclose the minutes of the, especially in love with the bodies. so that's why i'm guessing sister culture goes down to what did you say and the way. right, so can you live with a lot of the problems and issues assessed and solution oriented? and this is what we should be aiming at the, wildly this or international community should be a mean. that's beverly watching with a sense of full, strategic and international studies in the car and award winning independence general list and the contribution out to the database to for the full body for my

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