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tv   Conflict Zone  Deutsche Welle  October 26, 2024 11:30pm-12:01am CEST

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we are all set with what seemed closely for him to bring you the story behind the news. we ruled about unbiased information. all 3 months. the senior american diplomats fly back into the middle east, promising to stand by 11 and even as the ally, israel continues massive strikes on a route and other parts of the country. it doesn't look like a formula for peace, but my guess today doesn't give up easily on that prospect. these you'll see valence former justice minister and peace negotiations in israel. i believe that there is a chance that up those that to will when people have this then that managing that the conflict is your child of these and impossible knowing what people will then to go for the appropriate for how does he explain the humanitarian catastrophe is
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riley has presided over and gaza and its refusal to heath coals for restraints from washington is another year, a bit of conflict in the region. unavoidable. you'll see painting welcome to come pick zone in q, hopes of any low in the fighting in the middle east. after the killing of the how my sweet a as in while these seem to have evaporated pretty quickly in your view does, is death change anything. you know, you know, these things only post fucked on you. you have to wait that it would be until you know where the something like that is, is having an influence on history, on or see or with degree. it is quite likely just that the, somebody like him, lloyd such a huge influence on his organization will change things all on the,
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on the ground. i mean, he and, and come us, well the, the biggest, the spoke little on the piece process of the piece. both is of the buddies. thing is site. one of the main reasons for me to, to go for the us know process the, what is the strengthening of i'm us a 9293 a. so you feel you somebody is and we don't know. oh, might be that he's a successful body of doing something. somebody as old be a ready to way make out of how much a game kind of a, a social movement or even a political body rather than what he became k c to say the end of the hopefully 272-8080 over 88. then they'll might be a historic change. if we do, somebody will always a,
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if do i need to go logically successful of, of i will say easy it scene while then they maybe nothing will happen from now. israel's prime minister seems to be happy fighting on multiple friends, but at every stage he stopped listening to his closest ally joe biden. does he have no respect fun? obviously hoping that to spend donald trump will be in power again soon. literally, samuel has given me a very difficult question. mean trying to spend the motivation of play of the be is a very big jennings and, but you've watched him closely for many years. yeah, i wasn't child, you'll see me and i was a, an equal weight. and i was a, an inmate in a position to him and both as well. but that the point is it doesn't meet at the stand. if we think that this is doing and directly, i tend to spend less and less. does he despise the by doing?
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i don't think so. i don't think so. the point is that he a, he cherished he is a ongoing, a k road his day to brandon. his stuff is way more than anything else, including the relations so way through with other countries which he is losing. and including the cooperation with united states. so he understands that we need is not his for this purpose and the understands the importance of all say that i, our most important that like a week is why, but a one you would use to, to choose between these lunatics and use cutting. it's like bing rid of, and the smoke lead to and others not only then. then he chose us them, not because he prefers them, but because without them, he doesn't pivot cut me a call, he should. but while he's making that choice, would you say that relations between washington and jerusalem,
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i'm now in the west states and they have been in that case may be, but it is it best on the metal? i mean, if tomorrow there is another, a pregnant is that it will change very quickly. we saw we came to pass between somebody, at least you'll remember and do a bean when it would shut meal in a week. and, and the a, the, the american president, a boss defy the it was offered and then came a ravine and they were never better a relation. so it is very person that i a great to very much i think that that a, b, b is, is making a huge mistake. but it is, he's preferences and he's present it. is there a preference is quite clear. what is his preferences seem to being to ignore completely american structures about thank you, matthew terry and age. especially in know of,
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in gaza. israel has gone on to create something of a living. hell for 2000000 people. has that shop to well, a series you'll see skins shocking me about the van dung out, but it is not the date to i think that the main problem is not necessarily days very reluctance a to a to sent 8 to the but it's doing is about the effect the commodities taking all the so once you do the, the, the trucks on the guys is side doubt they can get in dallas selling gate. i mean, it is, it is given a full 3 or 4 of the goals and del, sending you a 2 dependents. daniel, until the posting is there. so a, i think that the, you, i don't, i will do the necessarily blame a, him a but the fact that the, how much doesn't they allow the, the trucks to get this the came but ask for,
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but the taking thinking of that is the trucks. yes, but you have usa agencies who have specifically blamed these radio authorities for holding up the shipments and not allowing basic goods to get through. so this was a book to put to the secretary of state's blinking, and he actually lied to congress about it and said that they weren't doing that. but the, the usa, the other agencies were quite clear that these railways were at fault here. okay, so do you, i believe that the done, you know, i had to listen to americans and changes the, i mean and, and it said to me, oh and boy, a trucks. it is. that is, i would say back to back originally, many is where you said that don't give them anything. the police thing is they still died of the style. but what the, what about the world crime?
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isn't it the schools and this is like, never happened. it never happened today, but i'm pretty close. husband that come pretty close. there is no salvation that i don't envy them and the daily and very, very poor situation. and this is the end about a is not the is the division of, of palm go and did the data has nothing. no. and and today it's val nutrition, certainly success. evaluate agencies have talked about mountain nutrition, man. yeah. man, man, man. and the question is, something is a den pin installed ation your metal, the cushioning. in many situations the, the problem is again, i mean the people on he's not getting it all saying there was thing seeing the world. they is no initial, no, a go meet them. and then knowing condition a little a on the edge and they, they, they, they leaving that me div was so they all do was,
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was saying deep and did it. and the hope, i mean, gladly, i mean it then, you know, doesn't accept what date many of the over the things that he said it did. they say that they had the bottom line. it depends on then. and if they say something like, used to do a and you, if you don't to do a we, we leave your car, lucian. he finds himself a doing what they want in, in that case of celebration. indeed an event. and those being particular shock internationally. the reports of palestinian children in gaza shots in the head and chest on multiple occasions with high velocity bullets. the new york times printed testimony from 65 american doctors and health care professionals and gaza. clear implication that these was what the results of collateral damage. the kids with targeted does as well as prime minister believe that killing arab children makes
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jewish children safer. when i it is out for me to believe that it was intentionally done. i. i don't know reason for that house through the full head and the chest idea. well enough to do you have one on the other. i know that i'll me. it is a spokesman. what i can say is that the, the, the, the lights by how it is broke and seeing what is happening them seeing what is happening to reserve a least seeing what is happening to police doing is it must and, and the 2 visions, elbow and some of them are right, some of them are wrong, it should, and they, that the situation on the, on the ground. and as a result, the feet that is ations is one of the doctors who came in with an age organization . american doctor said all the drugs and dressings that he tried to bring in with him and to buy optics. painkillers, bandages all,
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desperately short supply and gaza. all were taken away by these rarely soldiers before he was allowed into the territory that begged as belief. doesn't that again, again, i am not here as a spokesman of these rarely, i am just not, but this is your country, this is your country. i see. but this is my country, so i told you on how it is broken. the whole situation is, you know, me use is all for, for me. i can't believe when i get up in the morning. this is the reality here. but if you ask me about specific things about it, about the did the doctors say, hey, um, id, that's the money and other things like that i, i cannot honestly, you've always refused to abandon the hope of a peace settlement when you, when you see the cottage of gaza, do you still cling to that hope you'll you'll mean that the assassination of 1200 these. where is your big goal by some?
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no, no, no, i'm to go back to that too. but i'm talking about all the cottage. i don't think that we have speaking about at college, but what as well, it was all conducive to peace in many, many cases. what happened to us in the last 2 years of the, the governments of the right was that people gave up on the 2 state solution gave up on a solution for that. but his thinking and problem said that it is okay if we can manage that conflict or a do something like that with the conflict rather than solving it. and then use the foundation, shows us that it gives impossible that we have to solve the problem. i don't have to tell you that the most important a piece of group a o o piece developments in, in a,
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in the model or history happened after the was tools like in the end of the 2nd was well, when the, you know, it was established when did you about this stablished when they, they were bank was a stop based on these? well, there is that uses ali reside of the was tool in, in human history. so i believe that there is a chance that after such a will win people that this then the managing the, the conflict is your child of these and impossible knowing what people will then to go for the properties. and i hope also the will really help us to push forward these. we're seeing some groups from the right in israel pushing to resettle garza. in fact, yesterday the prime ministers, liquid party invited people to a conference entitled preparing for settlement in gaza. a pretty clear direction of
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travel, wouldn't you say, despite all the denials that they were going to reset the la garza? what 1st of all, the good news here is that the yellow so it would never happen. the 10 did that. it is not the official a, an event of the record about the these many members of the record. well, the weight is something that you want to think. i mean, is this, i really hope that it is a big joke. but as i said then the invitation to didn't leave much room for that will show up. it said liquid members, bronx heads, ministers, members of a connected and together will cry out. garza is ours forever. how many people think that the way it is right? in order to, i mean we see the ports, i mean about the settling gaza is more minority. you will have, you will have about 20 percent. that believing in it used to handle what may support all these crazy ideas like building the, rebuilding the,
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the temp and about what do you need more than that? yeah. you as maintenance does it, i will government who are planning to rebuild the temper law doesn't mean that it will happen. does this government do think rarely believe israel can be secure without a political solution for the palestinians? apparently to use your pancreas as your view? try to ensure that we've done jo, is full training for years. is that, that we have to make peace with the arab countries. why don't we succeed with it? then we can go well to the police doing is and say to them who you, who you'll see a coordination of each one, and they moderate our boundaries. and now we demand that you would do a, b, and c in order to have peace with us. this is these dream, it would never happen, never that, but the, but this is, if you, i think that, that the idea of
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a encircling a funny thing is with a lot of like are up countries which have a piece which is way, is a, here's the dream all plan or whatever. i want to talk in a minute. it's about your own ideas for a resolution of this interminable conflict. but let me go back to a prediction that you made in january when you said that nothing you all who would lose the support of these western allies and the is right and the public. the allies may have got fed up with them, but they're terrified of withdrawing the support all day. and what criticism that has been is made pretty soft that or he is he gets about 30 percent of the public opinion. you can see all the a, the probably could be impulse that this is, this is sitting. so he does not. he doesn't have them a job. he is, he has support is nobody's policies back on top of the survey. so isn't it?
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yeah, but that the numbers of how small i mean in, in, in the bottom of the 120 doubt getting something like 22 seats. they do this is and, and, and they, it's a, the apologies all getting the 2018. so it is not that say he became very popular. hey even this it was the way the success is a in dual. well, what he is portraying is big successes. if you have a plan for a palestinian is riley confederation as a, as a stepping stone. i think you said to a 2 state solution um, before i ask you for the details, do you have any indication a tool that such a plan would be acceptable to any part of this is really government or did any palestinian administration one day before we signed no own before we exposed it, most of the processes that they wasn't,
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majority of or for 80 percent against any books. we did piano and one day after that bill was the majority floating, the same happened with the the withdrawal form seat psy night by. you may not have big any, even the one who signed the agreement in the 79. i. i'm not worried about it. i believe the people who would like to have a piece and lee follow their little this little sheets. i ask the question, because last month's jordan's prime minister revived the 2 state solution himself and said he was mandated by 57 arab and muslim states to offer a guarantee of security to israel in return for an agreement on an independent palestinian state. the offer was gone so that it was threatened straight in the band wasn't it, which is not a hopeful sign of code's but then you always do to throw every em we think seems like it did. but by the way, the full day a drop, a,
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a glance which was issued in the beginning of 2000 when he's supposed to do to ago, it gives a 2 state solution. although it is your peak. and i don't think that the policy is gonna accept the but still it was a 2 state solution and that then you also bought it. otherwise you rejected everything. what is the whole idea of the configuration? when we sign the agreement there with $90000.00 said lives in the west bank. i don't count is 0. is that then cause this is something it's to day is how familiar now, most of them will be next to easy way. even if it goes into that, we'll plan it is we, we link to a next to point 25 percent of the west bank, but most of the said little sleeves deal. so for them, it would not be a problem because well, the 1st time that we will become a citizen,
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so we'll leave on the, on sort of them country. and they'll will be a land swamp of the same amount of a, of a land and a, and that they call it the quality of the, on the quality alternate. but about one 170000 settlers, we'd find themselves in the future as being estate. even in the past, we used to say ok usually is a strong democracy. if we decide to have a new ball deal, we would be able to evaluate all these way. you set it as a from the homes is to day becoming the most important and will event of the current on the way of peace. because we know almost exactly it, what would be, well, would be the ball do. what would it be? would username. what would it be with the, with the date a or the city. andrews island, the refugees and you name it. you'll see bernard, can i just put to you the fact but so much of what you suggest seems to depends on
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trust. and there really isn't very between the 2 sides off to what's happened. you can't just sit down and manufacture it. can you the a palestinian survey from july showed that only 10 percent of these really jews and 6 percent of palestinians trust the other side. not nearly enough for a big ticket. confederation is it? do they do we? i is drugs the jewel denny and sold the jeep. sions, did they trust the jewels? man? yeah. but you want them to live right side by side in this confederation is busy today. yeah. i'm not, i'm not very happily. i'm not very happy to look at the westbank look at the settler violence against palestinians in the west bank. best of all, people who say anyways, my main thought the end of google studies opinions joined us. a military experience bully patients and others. professors you older to write the book,
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you reach the idea of leaving the side by side or remaining side by side a is refill too acute, including the security aspects of elf. a, such as a solution. it is, it is not simply, it is not easy, no solution is competing with it, no solution. anybody who comes to leave and says, i am spinning for the 2 state solution. i'm asking him o l. what are you going to do with the set list? if you say they will have to, to go bit to is what i say. i don't know. a bryant is still a potential bradman is though it is way right or left. always going to do something like this. you must find a solution you throughout your a form of your former justice minister. the settlements are really go under international law the what if you will have an agreement, it will be a legal agreement, any we or overall order the ability to a situation. i mean, nobody's saying that because a,
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it is against the intuition. i know we cannot have lead swaps. for example, only the thought of the search. those is such a means they'll know the idea of lin swaps. and the idea that most of the deceptive would remain, will they all was suggested by the, by the arab site. if you remember the day you, they came to day it to the full bill, america and ministration and, and the, the cloud that it is not doesn't have to be the $67.00 boulders, but it can be a land swipe swap which would take into account the number, the big number of both of these varies so on the west bank. if you asked me, no one is lady should have lived in the west bank. no one settlement till that beat . so they've been a beat, but i have to deal with the reality. any does such a reality? the idea is that once we know the number of the palestinians who it was,
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the result of these varies would remain in the body. style is spellman and a residence and use of alias citizens. this same number of police thing is what we would like to get to this is a, is a, where is it then spill in residence? we'd be allowed to do that. you asked the band and what if, what if this plant gets turned down? but what i mean, it's already been done. i mean, you have a prime minister netanyahu has already said his, his role is to prevent the formation of a palestinian. this federal sees deal that even though does copays. yeah. and what is the next one says the same thing. there is no plan b is that you have no plan b, its 2 state solution or not figures that it had many ideal plans that the, the 2 state solution is a result of the fact that the right the rejected or the other plans. so this is
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a plan which i believe is realistic eve, nothing works. we really have to do is do any of that too early and it is awful. but it is not that we all know that we are all funds. and if not, if there is no agreement, nothing will happen. no, even there is no agreement with the other side because the other side may also say the 2020 then is what that is, where at least showed a withdrawal you and your level. otherwise we'd become it. joyce, minority domain, i think it buddies, pinion of majority between the river and the sea, and this is the end of the zone. you split? yes, it barely good. see you. thank you very much indeed for your time. thanks for being on comfort. so thank you. thank you. the,
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