it is not wow, that's up, but also when it comes to sustained dependency information and trends unexpected on dw travel, you can have it. what about you? and what's your opinion? feel free to write your thoughts and the comments, the business dw news off coming up from the program. wagner in the central african republic, is it most schools model for africa? once a private and military company, now it is. russia is long down in c. and the russian house and the compet telephone game. is it just the cultural center? it's head? demetrius city says yes. then reject criticism. the bouldin's go to the west, not better after wagner came. oh, this is just the mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america. it's josh doesn't look like you know the

i, i'm eddie mike, a junior and you are welcome to the program. wagner, in the central african republic, as it must close the model for africa. the wagner group is a russian military company with significant operations on the continent, a key to the process following policy. it was founded in 2014 by russian business mind. you have gave me for goshen. after his death, wagner in africa came on the direct control of russia's ministry of defense and change this name to the africa cool. it provides security unbelief tree supports, but also stands accused of propagating anti western, this information campaigns the groups many g activities have raised concerns about human rights abuses and basically belie zation in the region. rationalize also extending itself into c, r, and runs that cultural center called russian house in bounty. before taxes,

it goes to a child so many cents an exclusive interview with the head of the center mall from the lead time expressed. his report from bunky new blue volume on our fonts the gym won't be the 19 year old. joseph policies, advanced levels, certificate uncertainty, pick studies like many students in this northern country. he's bearings, we weren't able to pay for him to attend the university of thinking. so he decided to go, he's one, we got an event as a child, i dreamed of being a polyglot, so it motivated me to learn russian always the monroe is learning the language in distortion quarter. i st. or see to it, it hurt of the copy to thing he sent from a college here and then he she never went through a former teacher training process,

but how mode i taught how russian while she was growing up and she decided to go same to the central african let alone go to the russian language as an asset, and also has very significant advantages for the central african population in terms of vocabulary and language, language teaching russian language and the central african republic as an added value. some are some critics say multiple states teach, the russian language here and this nonprofit comfortable me so much things, douglas quality is fund the language here. do you agree? so now this has no colonial or political connotations to the central african republic as a country like any other. so it welcomes the russian language as well, no longer and it is longed for by the population. you manuel is one of $500.00 students learning the language he, he's clear why? because he wants to move towards. yeah. and that's why i was alone. i've chosen the russian language to have the opportunity to apply for

a scholarship to do my higher education and medical studies in russia. because at the moment there's a serious health problem in my country. we don't have enough doctors, ma'am. i'd like to help my country by studying and russia to facilitate development, is that you don't want people fucking to. so you caught a glimpse of him. involved reports, dimitris, city, a key play i environments african operations since he has long been involved in wagner, group activities in c out. fast translating media and communications. and now of the russian house in bunky. in december of 2022 seats, he was seriously injured in a mill bump. i talk, he needs i retired to bounty and is a link spin of rushes, operations in africa. he also has a controlling interest in a mining company that bog now has been sanctioned. by the you in the us for human rights abuses and city is also on that international functions list full on

this. we've invited to experts on a wagner in africa from buckeye, and sent a goal on joined by beverly and seeing with the center for strategic and international studies. hello beverly also from a boot job in nigeria. i'm joined by philip body and award winning independence. didn't a less than a contribution to the daily beast, news website. hello, phillip, hello. all of you. welcome to the program. stay with me. as we go through this, i'm in the central african republic. wagner has secured little creative mind and concessions, gaining access to valuable resources, like gold and diamonds report. so does it go to china? i questioned him about that's, that's the goal isn't just been putting sees. oh, she doesn't have a colonial quest and therefore is better equipped to work with african countries. but the one that group of cops is heavily involved extracting interrupts here in molly and so done on elsewhere where you are active. what's the difference?

next to semantics is ever entity visits, extraction resources, a flavor of what so colonial power, that's, you know, that's not the case of who i think the, this once again, that's a tool of a lesson for go down to buy and trust as a ben guy. uh, most of these are all engaged in southern founders and based on nothing but to it, but truly are sent to uh the application of uh, less than stand on its own. the russian focus, the russian posted as president put and said used to help. and to it's the approach this free or this concept of the nation. and because it's through it, as russia had never had a colonial past. and that's where uh, approaches,

different we are acting as a botanist. more than uh the, the boss has that info is very old. so, and uh, we have it to give a choice to african countries. uh. so we give them a choice to make the, to choose the part that they wish. we adjust the competition for the rest and the rest. so it is frustrating by this but the committee should go doing that. right. beverly letting me come to you, you had, and i called in to city ross, i was just competing on a level playing field. is that right to new opinions? as i mean, the 2nd song in which russia was able to get into the center, the public allowed it to have some level of dominance. so they came in in 2017 when the c a r has requested the us to create

a console. so go to being able to access not just what that is, but also facilitate the training of the military to buy, to get struggles at this point because of their problems which hasn't been dominated, all that possible, no power. and they, you wouldn't have not quite done enough because the, the sucking the training and elected to government russia came in and was able to not just dominate the security sector, but also into the instructor stack. so which, despite that being clear on wanting codes, have not been very well managed by the authorities, the point. so in terms of level, thank you. i think it depends on where the boxes are. what kind of messages being bumper gigs, and how to be able to continue retaining? she gets foothold in the region and dos quite robust in a way that i think western powers have undermine when they will come between the web security council and security deployment. and you know, we have a lot of that, the c, i became a sort of an experiment on what russian diplomacy across the region would come to

look like. now 70 as me. right, right. and philip sits, he says, extraction is trade and russia is helping the people see you've been to these mines, what did you see as well, but i mostly just need you to be a very good communicate them all the but it was the events of knowledge about this and a lot of the problems. but my one thing when get brush as a way to break it, has been that part of that has been that 0 with so much than shinji. and the one to take points by all means a lot of them, instead of you know, the leaving main communities and making sure that no one else was the, there's to access these goals mines,

including my mazda calls to minus. ready so you're in the middle show some games and then so the been able to see show some gas on this is for the government. thank you. know, which was the shinji before the rush. i was looking bought some $0.20 out for the remaining communities. i don't think there's been any injured or what so. right. so demetrius sits, he was a protege. all you have gave me pre goes in, right. who found that wagner in 2014, to support the pro ration forces in ukraine, lead to expanding to syria and other parts of africa. this by facing international functions for goals and continued to be a key voc enough vega until his death in a plane crash in 2023. stay with us guys. the board that to go to church. i asked

the city about precautions possible investigating a goal for my boss is going to precaution was cute, independent crush. shortly after the wagner groups basically over a 1000000 in russia, how did you feel when you heard about his death as well? and i felt frustrated. it was the case with us from it, and it's only for me for, for lots of people. so it, and it was a huge loss for pricing for african policy in general. and to if our son is probably from republic as well. again, it was a big friend of central africa. she made a lot for this country. ah, i was. so of course it goes to straight. it's how close where you will do you have different goals you have you worked for him before in the central african republic. i wasn't in the lead uh when we started

working with our roofs directly. uh that's when uh, i started working this with him direct as well. uh, she was uh, steering me in this uh and then advised me in this difficult affair and the risk to risk affair. um, but uh, thanks to hear the rise and good steering. uh, we succeeded in this project, it's likely that the plan was shut down on old us off the russian president vladimir 14. what do you make of those allegations? i make nothing. i have no information on this. so i'd rather not come to any conclusions as i looked on information. right, beverly, you had him since you clearly see for goes in as a forceful good in see or how that his death change must cause dealings with the country. so in one way it meant that russia would have great

control over some of their seventy's all the power and attorneys in the country. now some of them is the, are the interesting, the across the so houses where they had also been slowly other similar forces. and for a long time, because of that had been a bit of a taco between the russian defense ministry and the activities of the bottom in the range of the fact that we've seen wife latonya watts. and that precaution was presenting the political and military challenge between the present automated goods in and went back to mutiny. hop sometime in july, just as corporate goes in depth. that's what it became quite evident. that golden influence was not sitting too well with the credit. if they don't get and so when to go out of the way it enabled that adoption defense industry as well, especially to have a bit more control over how to get to the change of the kind of industries phillips

. let me get your take on this bid to goes into involvement and see out improve things for the people of the country. you've already touchstone the mind and aspect of things. gary, nothing good has come off from that. but overall you seems to suggest that security wise, those some sort of positive i my right? that's correct. so if you look at it, you know, the body to the people, obviously the, the know who own piece is sort of the don't get before the social skills, but i don't understand what you're saying. so because i did it, i wish i was good involved in the country and to start writing. all the budgeting was on the the assume that somebody that you only, we saw somewhere else and we shouldn't have somewhat house almost full control of. so the have, you know, so level of interest of the company,

the job in the mail, just to tell you the experience is when it comes to how the russians have started to possibly take control of mining communities. so there's different kind of opinions for each individual teachers in the us or the succession way remains for that right right now. um, several organizations say russia is spreading this information in parts of africa and c, r to distract from the control of a local resources from the link to the mind. and you just talked about, is it going to ask city def, his job involved anything else? and to respond to accusations that it was a front for something else. let's say well, that's the problem of less than propaganda. they take a tiny piece of the information they,

ex triple 8 it and the by and people as the babies. this is based on the some information from the internet and to actually the last that i am right now. i'm the investor of the russian, like an informal investor for russian polis in this country. and that's my responsibility. my main job is analytics and to cultural activities. so this center i should bring or restaurant and the central african republic, closer together via cultural means. why have the center rather than your studies, but spend the time? i still do my job in the region. some of this country for present, or there is any age or in the dark, some of the some of our groups because i've got an experience during my work and before carts remember inventory, if you're ever see agreement and i still have that experience,

this experience to allow, i'm still like, sometime ago within congo, i'm talking with the on to alaska to convince them to disarm it goes also. i think it was in the success a successful mission that helped his arm or she would sure of uh, onto valeca in the city. and uh, i did like this step by step. uh, i hope i'm having this come through in this country and bring my face to the citizens. phillips since he points to his mediation work, says he hopes he is bringing peace to the citizens of c a. r. would you me a call back as well that i'm sorry, what are the ones who do the letters that go to for the national storage of this a little for the notions beginning, bought the company. they haven't made a bit of us by. busy groups love justin. ringback but also go and

log in to the results. you know, i mean all new substance abuse and right, i would students situation way eventually the direction we do have some some of the groups would use the website to see how. busy these i'm groups come together for me and the culture for when to get into the confession for the gigs of hoops to assist fire on. what to do was to, you know, i'm that with some of this goes just to be able to look at it. and the example is all about, i'm not g as update, which is acting in the country. right now. this room, it's, i see yesterday as well. with some of these or the and they have tried to

stay with your function of the piece for the country. so yeah, yeah, ministers just a piece. i only had one done very well, hasn't been successful. okay. no say i didn't, didn't get to the country. right. so it seems that beverly that, you know, negotiations on not going as well as since he would want people to think. he also said this and i quotes that he is the inform all about so that all russian policy to see are in a presidential negotiator, would it onto by cotton c r and come go. what does that tell us about his role? i think i just told you just high how high all the rest of influence is. and the fact that this is not a visual person working for the kremlin. for instance, even though there's always been back into the wind line between the bottom line of

credit, which is a person who is running the asset on the cultural center. but it also able to have it. but they have the level of political suite. although the government is negotiating with one of the terms and conditions, how do come to an agreement, which is the possible if you think about what the government's job is supposed to be. the influence that they have on the behalf of not just the volume, but even though it seems to have the concern that some diplomats are pointed out about the culture or russian influence for the fact that the c and has sort of become a bigger kind of doing tube dependent and provide right. so voc about has been accused of serious human rights abuses across africa by human rights organizations in western governments. in the central african republic. they've been accused of burning down villages and killing civilians to take control of mine in areas. let's

get back to deed of use interview with demetrius city, where to go to attack several organizations, including the united nations on human rights organizations. i see vitamins here and this central african republic has got worse. not better after. like they're coming . why start? do you think, are you worried about that to? um, oh, this is just a mechanism to uh to make russian vehicle for america to actually has an eviction of beverly cities. sounds determined and dismissive, wagner has obviously called out denise and see uh at the very top. i see you also see that. so just that area. how secure is the opposition though? i mean, i've printed out the diabetes back to that security, particularly, but capital and saw small houses in the country in 2020. they had this big campaign

against minutes and remo groups. so what was happening towards the 2nd time they and the success about, oh, persian is part of what game does not just the public residents within the c r, but also in the saw how. but at the moment, this report of some level groups that encroaching within the capital that had been some disagreement between groups that decided to sign with the people joining the training in the solomon initiative. and then main groups in scholarship happening in the eastern part of the country. with this one, i'm listening to the bean bag, which happened and bought it from scratch. his thoughts are nice miniature and bosses how escalator because they are also possibly being, i mean by the group. so it's a mixed mixed bag at the moment, philip, but just to be clear, this was a long interview. we've only been able to play brief accepts of it,

but to say to repeat that mistress, that you know he's doing the bidding of precedent to a dara. so modest. how like in this to quote states capture is that a valid accusation? you think of as i think so how to do, but it seems like i have gone to some of these areas in the country. i had visited some of these miles so i know what's going on there and i spoke to somebody else do. and what we are doing, that's what the government in collaboration with the is the only one that wanted to give us the, this is the shows of the, you know, most, your daughter and what's your happened? i didn't finish your meeting the minds of the and because the mice, the one of those shall exist. and that's why this conference is still going to. and

that's why it seems like the 6 years. and the money, you know, seems like there's the 1000000 time, but in terms of stability, investment is that's because no one is in the middle of the emissions dealer, you know, sitting down hill. and we move from table to disclose the minutes of the, especially the 1st. so that's why i'm guessing is as the culture goes down into what did you say and the way. right. so it's a little a lot of the problems and issues assessed and solution oriented, and this is what we should be aiming at the wildly this or international community should be a man that's beverly watching with a center for strategic and international studies in the car. and award winning independence, general list and the contribution out to the database for the full body for my boys riding nigeria. thank you guys for sharing your time with us. thank you so much

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