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lore. a growing economy means growing prosperity, the foundation on which germany was built to be trying to, i believe economic growth is essential to safeguard our trust. they're already gone . but now germany is doing well. millions of yours in debt. the economy lackluster? 2023 negative growth of 0.3 percent. what is that a bad thing? or could it be a blessing? at least for the climate? what would a world without economic growth look like the these people are angry,

fall 2023 climate demonstrations and all of jeremy's major cities. environment protests have become one of the great social movements of our time. the average global temperature continued to rise in 2023. apparently, it was the warmest year since records begun. the battle for climate protection has long been waged on the streets. the. we have not only a climate problem, but also a social one. for some, the planet comes 1st, the others are afraid of high energy costs, social decline, or the loss of benefits. farmers in germany demonstrated against the evolution of

subsidized diesel for agriculture. the in hamburg, on the other hand, people rallied in support of a new perspectives. child produced notes about francois. i'm sick and tired of hearing about all the things we need more of me when actually we need less of everything. we don't need more energy. we just need to be using less of it just for paul. i'm fighting, so it's my, my overall and above all, we should start to train our understanding of prosperity as the secret code. the heidi good cool thoughts of that here they're giving it a try. tumbler co adult in the heart of the cities district, the restaurant clink of dishes here costs between 15 and 21 years with several courses needed to satiate the appetite on housing. the push and molly

on us one has no the restaurant rat race. well, very well, in fact, both have worked in the michelin started restaurants for years, 18 hour days, pressure stress. then they opened their own restaurant and decided we're going to do things differently. and our staff is going to be in the kitchens where we've worked your just a number and staff time. it doesn't allow us to. and then working 18 hour days and the new on the basement kitchen on the head. you prep, mine goes from thailand, down a verse from friends and fish for me personally. and who knows what house and for 2 stars up latanya not so here at the clink. and summer regional vegetables are preserved for the winter menu. sustainable good for the climate and for people folk shift to greet increasing sales and profits isn't the most important thing

that kind of going to be the industry is the not the career path i saw ahead of me would only have been possible with a pushy mentality and that's just not me. and i realized that all the people in the industry who i look up to are all pretty exhaustive advisor seem to come put, send little danger of that here. fair wages for stuff. no unpaid overtime, only organic ingredients kind to the planet and people because you are sure we could get double the work. i'd have to finish with fine grain them times a year every day. at some point they'll burn out or night. it's nothing new only. so we just keep going to the most practical decision, the restaurants closed on the weekend when business typically peaks to my father. when i told my dad that was what was on saturday and sunday,

you looked at me and said to son, you can't do that. it won't work, it doesn't spring, but it does. and the restaurants, particular nice at least, an intentional foundry that the chef can and want to afford. 450, what are we passing up? we're passing up the chance of owning our own home in early thirties and having a portion of the park outside the door down. that's it. and you have concerns that are world away from the life of this man. you can hang with the alarm clock goes off at 1 am every morning for more than 50 years ish by the same target people i work 7 days a week in to 1000 new other ways. we were at capacity and i enjoyed my job. it's tiring, staying home 7 days

a week without any time off the side. so if there were 8 days in the week, he'd still be at work. his bakery and a small house in town has a staff of 26. here. no one's thinking about home ownership or a luxury cars, brother, survival in a world with discounted plastic wrap, supermarket bread and devices. fox still there has to be grouped in however small. then if we start committed to half an energy costs are speaking, the price of ingredients is rising. yes. again the, the uncommon got to absorb these costs some higher thing. if he closed for several days, like the kink or restaurant you all can handle, which would be quickly wiped off the market. and if you have task of always this function, it doesn't know 40 weeks don't work like that. we're a service provider toggle. if we did a 4 day week, a good many of our customers would just take their business elsewhere from the i.

so calls at the supermarket, next store pretzels, cost us $0.30. but this business drives on its customer loyalty and appreciation. lunch time. you all can handle, it has already worked a 13 hour day doing the job he loves comes at a price. that is so much by god munch maya, well mind on fox. and if i me that can sometimes be a balancing act. yes. and the bus and you've got to give up on the family time because the business needs attention. which means i can't go to the soccer games and often it's a shame i love watching my son play soccer. even every few of our customers are aware of what's involved because it's difficult to convey, having to get up every night with our fail. come, i know she asked me, did you all can handle it as often crushed has limits. the planet has also reached its summits, just like our economic system did a while back already. a burning issue for this woman.

essentially my name's or rica harman, and i've written a book titled in the end of capitalism, my growth and climate protection are incompatible. and how we live in the future and even that gathering the business consultants. growing the economy is their professional duties. she's here as a guest speaker on time and i'm interested in that you can't grow intimately in the following night world just it's just not possible thoughts on germany is currently behaving as though it could consume 3 planet. that's all from it. as we're all aware, there's only one or, well, i'm the ada capitalism is now the problem says, hammer and extreme times require radical solutions to get a handle on the climate crisis. our economic output must drink dramatically. none, essentially. so for the fact that you have us and you, the question is, what do you, it's just strange here. and what doesn't portions dancers clear on us,

particularly energy intensive sectors that admit the most of the c. o. 2 must be scale down the plains, cars, the chemical and steel industries, but also the construction of new homes are all problematic and should be phased out . i'll just pull the moto says on the assignment ended fabulous to this debate, but as it goes on until and, and so i can get, since it fairly short, we've got the rest of the world, would look at germany and say, you've completely lost your mind to it because the emissions we generate overall are 2 percent of total global emission yourself models. so we can shut down the entire german economy overnight and deal with a social problems that will entail the 4 day week won't help much there. and then on the other hand, realize there hasn't been any progress on climate protection guidance f one a good on my mom's last name's lawrenceville, time professor for economic policy at the university of bribery, director of the vault through oregon institute, and active and various advisory roles and economic policy making that even if we

discussed this at length for germany, essentially the conditions must be imposed worldwide. and i don't really see how that can happen, which dispute as well? plus the answer back in the early 19 seventy's scientists led by dennis metro's war and that something had to change on a global scale. there report the limits to growth, commissioned by the crop of foam outlined, precise calculations of the impact of exponential growth on the planet. continuing a business, as usual, the approach will lead to catastrophe. it said 50 years later, the question is still the same. should our economy be allowed to continue growing? it won't work. say representatives of what's known as the d growth or post close to movement. the economy must drink, polluting energy sources should go. we should do without unnecessary luxury goods. energy intense the sectors such associations, the automobile industry are new,

construction should be phased out, allowing for the expansion of sector securing a sustainable future renewables, public transport, energy efficient renovation. guaranteeing jobs in the process. that should be the path we follow away from the religion of growth. but how do we get there? how do we voluntarily live with less we wanted to find out the one family. one experiment, the research call. yeah. that's the ending us try it for 2 weeks. the rules 5 regional products to limit imports

instead of energy guzzling online streaming, offline entertainment, only is the offline entertainment. i think it will pop up with me. well, no, we can't get tab at the by the the i think no that's regional. and what does it say on the packaging of the control, clint coverage? those cookies do spilled. cookies. we always have backed up my grandma since 1921 on series. or if he's enough, but mm hm. okay, we can take these bed from berlin and we have them back in the day. the lin, sugar mice show we have somebody ma'am? yes. we could make a salad in a pumpkin soup and grilled fennel. uh cuz the sensor yes, that's good. but come with icons, the tomatoes with that to your home, kind of we didn't get any tomatoes or cucumber from germany

as those that it wasn't that easy to find things and in midwinter. what kind of vegetables can you buy? a pot from? cabbage and pumpkin coil, the pumpkin seedlings coming to an end. o, and in any case, you don't want to eat, not all the time. so that's the question of what you switch to one spring. today, it's pumpkin. so for dinner, everything is checked, but not everyone's happy. and we can't just eat soup normally without some sort of issue the food isn't local. the doing without is difficult, but it's a radical approach. the only way forward do we really have to turn our economic model upside down in order to save the climate amount as mountain

fighter has been pretty, takes it up to it. my name's more than the title and political editor of the frank for to oregon. my nose on tech title, and i write about energy policy under adoption and the german debate. it could be forgiven for thinking that the claimant protection and the economy are polar opposites kind of assessed on fortunate deficiency because an actual fact, a flourishing economy is ideal for effective climate protection, commercially costs money. after all, kate, a growing economy is essential for claimant protection. if we didn't have a pro spring economy because he was under what would happen to times revenues i'm the most viewed. and then i reckon claim that protection would be the 1st thing to follow by the wayside to fate. environmental protection costs, money to and titles view, restrict to economic growth is the wrong approach. on how about the mucus kinda under germany as be a role model for the world of everyone here is poor going the right on bicycles and patched up the fluids on we may well the claimant neutral new is going to follow our example of men because in the rest of the world, the people want to drive

a mercedes, perhaps fast what they find to appealing a bit the german model. nice doesn't know that we're excitement neutral, but they weren't claimant neutral and still prosperous since making money and running clean businesses. green gross. that's possible. suspend him. he's to attend these rallies regularly when he was active on fridays for future. he made posters registered demonstrations and took to the streets. but now he's distance himself from the movement except for the vehicle earlier, a speaker was seeing she can't hear the words wealth and growth any more group setting, but that's what it was. they all do you because that doesn't fit with my assessment of the issue. a talk to people in my view, prosperity create so much if you yes, many countries would give anything for prosperity like this and it has to be honest, i find it very strange. well, today the most, taking a side off the streets and onto the stock exchange. he now works as

a fund manager investing and companies that are making a conscious effort to reduce their carbon emissions yet, and as soon as i see anyone, honey, we're investing in companies that may not be green yet that are in the process of turning green such as being developed and green is of course on abstract concepts and they're realizing their powers compliant claimant protection strategy. we're investing in these companies because it gives us influence on that process. and it's his philosophy effect change where the impact will be great. just the have been a huge number of goods are exported here from the federal republic of germany and could audit and there's a loss of leverage there that's about 4 to 6 dash to reason that we can see much more c o 2 here on an individual level in the he definitely doesn't

envisage the end of capitalism. on the contrary, that gets out. this is about the basis for human existence and consequently, the economy must adapt to the altar condition. i just thought it must be a change. it's been about it because i firmly believe it will continue to grow and know my country much. what's going on succeed fine in time of protection and economic growth can be bedfellows because it will be essential for climate protection that carbon pricing incentivizes the technical progress was an innovation to fit in or an end technical progress is essential for economic growth . for the switch on flux, a flourishing economy, and a green transition from mila, and felt the 2 things complement one another. that's the idea behind green, gross. for almost 200 years, it's been true when

a country's economy grows, so does environmental pollution. but what's green for us? this no longer applies. in fact, emissions, chip ball continued growth. but in the green zone, by way of new technologies, clean energy and market based ideas. a booming economy was decreasing c o 2 emissions a goal, not just with an industry, but also across the whole of the you. with the green deal, the european union aims to be the world's 1st climate neutral continents. by 2050 the auto focus groups. special metal parts for the automotive and aviation industry are manufactured here. for example, car wheel rims, an energy intensive industry that faces major challenges. this site alone consumes as much energy as a town of 40000 inhabitants. nevertheless, the, because

a company we're committed to the 1.5 degree target one time when we set our goals accordingly and throwing up a 20 year road, many 100, but it's fine. that means it's not a sprint. it's, it's a marathon and where you need to be a company eat along the route and i and provided with the conditions to make it possible. germany's climate and transformation funds was established to do just that. but then came the bombshell from castle and november 2023. the federal constitutional court declared unconstitutional to reallocate unused corona virus funding to the climate fund jeopardizing its operations with a knock on effect at a to folks. we assume that we're funding had been approved. it would stay that way also. so team is a huge shock on the projects are no longer financially viable and become best significant improvements. we'd hope for 5, including carbon neutrality and are now unfortunately much more difficult to

achieve. we had to call me please allow me to new climate friendly machines suddenly had to be financed without the expected subsidies. another purchase was cancelled altogether. new funding opportunities, unavailable, economic minister hold that. how big and march 2024 are the best a drop in the ocean for the middle of processing industry. international competition is tough. is an issue of come with it, but it's not the job of politics to make our lives easy, but it's also not the job of politics to make our lives difficult if you're getting investment commitments in advance. and these are honored and that's very frustrating. of course you will see we're all fully aware of the budget's current state data house, and now we're having to see what we can do to get ourselves out of this dilemma dilemma where we're still expected to tackle this transformation for like with significantly less one day and that'll be a major challenge for the entire individuals, for china under cuts, prices abroad, and america heavily subsidized as its own economy in his view,

without much more generous subsidies in germany. a green economic miracle seems unlikely when you get the sense that there is no concept mad and also a sense that industry isn't wanted at all. evans, and it will simply go away achieving the emissions reductions target that went through and i'll have, i've taught others where look here and secure their subsidies before the constitutional court turned off. the top like just called the german steel along regard it as the backbone of the economy. the basis parts of turn, the pet to me of quality. the country had a clear path to becoming the world's leading exporter and to unimagined prosperity the but this success has come at

a price. the whole region is a case in point. afterall 2.5 percent of all harmful greenhouse gases in germany are emitted from system clock chimney's alone. globally, the steel industry is responsible for 8 percent of all emissions. now we're not waiting for anyone else to begin. we're starting ourselves. we in the state of north ryan west valia, are supporting this project to some clips with one of the largest funding decisions to the largest funding decision in the history of the federal republic of germany. pope to the tune of 2000000000 years. but not everyone's able to imagine the screen miracle fitness box. did you break it

down? i'd argue that green growth is macro economic, green washing bushing and other words for him growth remains problematic. my name is marcia smith, so i'm in economic historian and transformation researchers. i've long been focused on growth and alternatives to groups. keeping subjects to the ecological transformation won't succeed, was further growth says tremendous people, the screen growth isn't a solution to the climate crisis management site. this is the mid seventies. at least it's been claim that economic growth can be the couple from environmental impacts, but that hasn't happened yet. and there is little evidence to suggest it'll take place to a sufficient extent also in the time that remains most and does have lives in site here, there, pondering different ways to do business at the university of transport the course transformation research. then when the i'm 1st this fault will

basically seeing most the promises were made regarding efficiency gains or greeting process through technology games have been don't go far enough. i've missed all sky schmidt. it says says that like almost all industrialized countries, germany would need another 220 years of the current rate to obtain climate neutrality. in addition to this dispute. so speed is one stop. we all know this is far too late and that by then economies like germany's will have exceeded their c o 2 budget many times over. in principle, we can imagine that trying to v carbonized and growing economy is like trying to go down an escalator that's constantly going off. what types of india had come on and not open case studies show that industrialized countries should actually

be cleaning up their act 10 times faster than they have been. critics believe this is impossible with even more growth because generating sufficient green energy as possible. contraction is the only solution they say this is yeah, is disconnected. it's a lot and fee fee that it's been calculated how many wind turbines would be needed by choosing crew, colonial einstein and that's just $1.00 steel plans decision. so you want to be able to do that across the board for the entire economy. one of these, as far as i'm concerned, it's absolutely clear that it will come down to doing without and fees of the either that will be forced by the climate crisis. the board will be smart enough to do it in advance. liability for head support from the bottom was one that it has to be separated from the political debate. even individuals keen to make a personal cutbacks should definitely go ahead. and tyson, such a choice can only be applauded. most people got to and citizens wheels, great power here. i don't know. it says if most people suddenly decide to eat less meat, doesn't even go to have an incredible impact on our carbon footprint or to i don't

know what else or if people want to plan vacations without flying fine then kind of thing into the same team. i just warrant against turning it into a political program, and that's simply because that would start resistance and do that to failure once again. and you decide on the and placed in our experiment continues living with less. is it possible? and would it be that bad? the vacation without air travel, that's today's task for claudia and the reason they want to go to portugal. news, we need to get to the nova 2925 kilometers to mid. i'm going to 9 hours by con, with public transport, casting it in. 12366 changes. i never get. it's not at all easy to find out how to get there and come out the distance from dressed into paris and from paris to

border. and now we've got to get from bordo to madrid. that should work you and it's like fulton in or not as of the i don't i so according to this, those genies that runs back to take at least 23 days. and then unless you can plan a 3 week holiday time, it's not was that i guess it's just, yeah. and you know, kinda, you know, by 3 days there and 3 days back a few times. if you've got to loads of time and you can be relaxed about it, and then i think it's a great way to travel, isn't i? but that's because i can only take 2 weeks holiday at a time. i can use this sort of trip isn't an option for me, friends or size, and for me it's not possible. oh, let's get me the living like this is really very satisfying. is it the most i'll, cuz what you have to realize is that often individuals are trapped in work structures and that they don't have the option to stay past the cheapest. i'm only doing a 30 hour week now. i don't take

a pay cut or i don't want my full salary. that'd be even better. of course the best . as soon as you come look at brockman, i'm he sociology professor. my work is focused on happiness. within shawn also tire goes also part of larger structures and they can strain and in mid life in particular, you have a lot of obligations such you know, so your hands are off and tightened on off to him the go button, but at what point are we content does wellbeing always require more and more of everything just and if it could be any go back to him. the flag with this is less growth, really the question or is different growth perhaps the better idea? that's how it's a question that's also been addressed in happiness research. we need an alternative gauge and actually sent to human contentment or happiness. a very good gauge because it's something that people can judge for themselves of school today. but what time con mosley?

i know some of on the owners of restaurant kink found their happiness for them. prosperity has a lot to do with feeling well. hey, good to see. i'm saying that yeah, yes, great. the draw fine. we're not gonna mess but little to do with growth. in their past roles, there was rarely time to carefully select products directly from the farmer defects model to keep growing. next, minimize the question of the size more stores, more restaurants, more acceptance or internally invite on. how can we improve what we do in our communication, social, and moral responsibility for the customer where we are in the sector? it'd be difficult to run another 10 business days in the same way. and some of the, the, the guy that finishes goose is in any case quite different than the socially accepted norm of

the business. so if i can ask myself, i guess what am i actually doing here? why am i doing this? a tall bookcase? me a bed in the morning and then to bed at night. that's the point. because if i'm making progress there, then i'd say that for me to pass more meaningful than a growth is surely monetary. i'm going to tailor next to most of these a good talk. most of we also have to break the thought patterns we've been taught on this. and we haven't yet learned to say that we defined prosperity, which different ways model, unless definitive. and they took a leap of space, contrary to broad economic theory, which focuses on one clear gold pros, the f dross. the economy has a benchmark, the gross domestic product. i figure that packs a punch. it measures the sum of all goods and services produced in an economy, but the gdp doesn't register the usefulness for sustainability of

a service. no matter whether i buy an s u v or sell hadnot and sweaters. the main thing is, money is moved on a 100000 square kilometer island and the cold north atlantic. they've devised a new economic formula for themselves, wellbeing and quality of life. instead of a blind faith in growth. it was their response to crisis. 2008, the international financial crash rocks. the nation. iceland, financial sector was in ruins. the the countries 3 major banks went fast within a week. the nation's currency plummeted. the thousands of icelanders were drowning in debt and lost their homes. thousands lost

their jobs. the result, protest outside parliament and to call for new elections. at the time thor, seek for sand, was head of a large insurance company and a top earner. but he too was caught up in the financial crash. i think in many ways it was uh, of course, a crisis for me as well to i have to i would like to re live that period again. uh, but at least what i, what i found out this, that we need to continue and need to look back to some of the ideas that i had and figured out what the could be, where i could really have uh, a stand. so it was uh, a time of sort of like, uh, uh, a re seeking my, my, uh, my existence, in many ways 6,

your son found the ocean cluster in 2011, bringing together tech companies and the fisheries industry. the idea to use as much of the fish as possible good for value creation. the environment in the wake of the crisis. iceland has re organized itself and we defined its perception of economic success. for example, more attention is now being paid to health and environmental factors of click for darcia used to manage a large company. now she runs a small store. thank goodness she says, i can keep it balance and just any way i like because it's much in smaller business. i control it's much issue. it's much less pressure, much less stress. she's lost nothing through her decision but gain a great deal for example,

time and the willingness to use it. i love being and the nature you get more complex to, to the earth. so to the ground, being close to nature and the horses as they say in iceland, quality of life is also part of prosperity. not just money. just like clean air and social cohesion. we are all so rather closely connected with our families and with friends with small nation people know people and the yeah, i think that's one part of it. this the closeness of people between people, the and 2019 the well being economy was introduced as a basic political program. in iceland,

the nation hasn't turned its back on economic growth altogether. but now whether something has a price tag isn't all that matters. the the wellbeing economy focuses on other issues. just economic growth, which says, well, most nations are focusing on and the un collect states afford. but with a growing economy that doesn't mean the miles of nature or people have any sort of well being. my name is christine mom. i like most of this. i'm a professor in the department of growth sciences at the university of ice storm. she played a key role in iceland, economic policy shift. it's important to think about the

economy in a different way on economy, which is for people employment and not just for a book to can to, to show that you're actually using more and more resources selling more and more stuff and people collecting what they actually don't really need 39 indicators have since served as a political basis, guiding decisions on the use of the public funds. so all investments need to be shifted to to be good for, for people on climate. and last is very important. so basically the wellbeing economy thinking is about re purpose and the a call and let me the doing business. but differently.

price alone doesn't make us happy. that's the idea. perhaps a model for germany to germany has one of the most important economies in the world . this is both an opportunity and a challenge and the battle against climate collapse. as a society, we must do something each and every one of us can do something. endless, life is certainly changed, at least for the duration of our experiment. this taking last is school by bike. i think that is true. yes exactly. we can keep doing that. i'm on the launch rough condition association. i already know the landscape because we always take the same route by car as has been. it is just a bit boring to sit in the car all the time and look at boring scenery long by the elantra funds from. you guys have some type of skills that come i use of media and

available online media, media inputs and it makes you realize that these days are in need to be online or is this on the account managed every day life was hoping online whether it's for school or just for fun, what i thought so in the long run. so it doesn't work for me. so i'll get dismissed for 2 weeks. the little bit skis have tried going without and voluntarily set themselves limitations. as for me so. so okay. i think it's okay, i'd be happy to shop more at the organic store, and in any case, i'm the kind of person who likes to have more time for things. but in my view, the issue here is you just can't make the time as a safe. and in general, i think it's really nice of a, but time to mom's something shift fast paced, life time zone from that to that, to them up from that not done of that. certainly possible by calm, done with much more and then the food has to be coped quickly. here it has to happen fast am is supposed to be honest and i don't know how that would work in our

everyday nicely. ellis. is that the results of the experiment? it's doable. parking. it's just a bit tricky with the offline entertainments. yeah, but i managed it to us by 2 days. i think something at least more or less the definitive question for the future. the prosperity without gross or only with gross and can get to start essentially, it's about differentiating between useful growth and less useful growth and having a social debate about that to happen. because if we don't manage to build a climate neutral system in which we can grow economically and then the planet is

doomed, being a longer term growth makes it easier to mitigate the distribution conflicts that can arise in a society and to get the take rows easier to share it then if it remains the same size, my guys cost lives in a worst case scenario where we're giving up about 50 percent of our economic output . we'd still be as rich as the west. germans were in 1978. and as anyone around at the time will tell you, we were just as happy then as we are now, and it was a good life to sleep. i'm still keeping the whole box. we will turn around and put this on the best of pos, the

thinking as a network thing, as one show about vision range and bed project, the percentages that can be tackled together for a future worth living. working for a more united world on d, w. people in india are fighting over fish the money in the economy or the economy. it's very important i will survive, but he allows the company to him. so i know since

a chinese fish mill factory opens here, everything has changed. now an impending ecological disaster is threatening the livelihood. the fishermen? what can they do? the co operative in 90 minutes on dw, the dw travel over the side, phase 3, food gone is with inside a tips local, high life. wow. let's go here we go. all right. so when it comes to sustain dependency information and try and do that, when you travel, you can have it all expected to have to check the bags. so you're planning a trip. make sure you miss nothing about is on the w travel. i hope you enjoy the

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