tv Prosperity Without Growth Deutsche Welle November 2, 2024 3:15am-4:01am CET
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according to german lore. a growing economy means growing prosperity, the foundation on which germany was built. we're trying to, i believe economic growth is essential to safeguard our trust parity on but now germany is doing well. millions of yours in debt. the economy lack luster. 2023 negative pros of 0.3 percent. what is that a bad thing? or could it be a blessing, at least for the climate? what would a world without economic growth look like the
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and these people are angry, fall 2023 climate demonstrations and all of jeremy's major cities. environment protests have become one of the great social movements of our time. the average global temperature continued to rise in 2023. apparently, it was the warmest year since records begun the, the bachelor for climate protection has long been waged on the streets. the we have not only a climate problem, but also a social one. for some, the planet comes 1st. the others are afraid of high energy costs, social decline,
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or the loss of benefits. farmers in germany demonstrated against the evolution of subsidized diesel for agriculture. the and hamburg, on the other hand, people rallied in support of a new perspective. dekalb just now it's about francois, i'm sick and tired of hearing about all the things we need more of me when actually we need less of everything. we don't need more energy. we just need to be using less of it just for paul and funding. so it's my, my overall and above all, we should start to train our understanding of prosperity as the secret code, the hiring a cool thoughts of said here they're giving it a try. tumbler co adults in the heart of the cities district, the restaurant, clint,
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the dishes here costs between 15 and 21 years with several courses needed to satiate the appetite on housing. the push and money on us on has no the restaurant rat race. well, very well, in fact, both have worked in mission and started restaurants for years, 18 hour days, pressure stress. then they opened their own restaurant and decided we're going to do things differently. and our stock was in the, in the kitchens where we've worked. you're just a number staff or a dime, a dozen in the province to and then working 18 hour days and the new on the basement kitchen, you put mine goes from thailand, down on birds from friends and fish from brittany. and who knows what house and for 2 stars up latanya not so here at the kink in summer regional vegetables are preserved for the winter menu. sustainable good for the climate. and for people folks shift secrete increasing sales and profits isn't the most important thing.
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that kind of going to be the industry is the not the career path i saw ahead of me would only have been possible with a pushy mentality. and that's just not me. and i realize that all the people in the industry who i look up to are all pretty exhaustive. and by the seems come put, send little danger of that here. fairway just for stuff. know unpaid overtime, only organic ingredients kind to the planet and people because you are sure we could get double the work. i took them with fine grain them days a year every day. at some point they'll burn out or night is nothing new only. so we just keep going to the, the most practical decision, the restaurants closed on the weekend when business typically speaks
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to my father. when i told my dad they were closed on saturday and sunday, you looked at me and said to son, you can't do that. it won't work, it doesn't spring, but it does. and the restaurants, particular nice, at least, an intentional foundry. the chef can and want to afford for offensive. what are we passing up? we're passing up the chance of owning our own home in early thirties and having a portion of the park outside the door down there. that's it. and it concerns that our world away from the life of this month. you can hang with the alarm clock goes off at 1 am every morning for more than 50 years ish. i those even talk about it. i work 7 days a week in to 1000 new other ways. we're at capacity and i enjoy my job. it's tiring
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like 7 days a week without any time off the site. so if there were 8 days in the week, he'd still be at work. his bakery and a small house in town has a staff of 26. here. no one's thinking about home ownership or a luxury cars. brother, survival in a world was discounted plastic wrapped supermarket bread and lysis fox to there has to be grouped in however small. then if we start committed to half an energy costs are speaking, the price of ingredients is rising. yes. again the, the uncommon got to absorb these costs some higher thing. if he closed for several days, like the kink or restaurant you all can handle, which would be quickly wiped off the market. and if you have talked of always with some significant new 40 weeks, don't work like that. we're a service provider, tons of all that. if we did, if for the week
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a good many of our customers would just take their business elsewhere from the i'd still call them at the supermarket next store pretzels, cost us $0.30. but this business drives on, it's customer loyalty and appreciation. lunch time. you all can have him, which has already worked a 13 hour day doing the job he loves comes at a price. that is so much bye god, munch maya, when i'm done on fox and if i mean it can sometimes be a balancing act. yes. and the bus and you've got to give up on the family time because the business needs attention. which means i can't go to the soccer games and often it's a shame i love watching my son play soccer. the very few of our customers are aware of what's involved because it's difficult to convey, having to get up every night with our fail. let's come and know she asked me, did. you all can handle it as often crushed has limits. the planet has
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also reached its limits, just like our economic system did a while back already. a burning issue for this woman essential my name's or rica sherman, and i've written a book titled in the end of capitalism, my gross and climate protection are incompatible. and time will live in the future and even that gathering this business consultants. growing the economy is their professional duties. she's here as a guest speaker on time and i'm a and to convey you can't grow instantly in the following night world just it's just not possible. thoughts on terminate is currently behaving as though it could consume 3 planet. that's all from it. as we're all aware, there's only one or, well, i'm the ada capitalism is now the problem says, hammer and extreme times require radical solutions to get a handle on the climate crisis. our economic output must drink dramatically is not
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necessary. so for the so i can give us the list and you, the question is what needs to shrink here? and what doesn't. to portions dancers clear, particularly energy intensive sectors that emit the most of the c o 2 must be scaled down the plains, cars, the chemical and steel industries. but also the construction of new homes are all problematic and should be phased out. i'll just pull the mattresses on the assignment ended fabulous the rest of it as soon as it goes on i'm chosen and so i can use it for this real quick about the rest of the world would look at germany and say, you've completely lost your mind to it because the emissions we generate overall are 2 percent of total global emission yourself models. so we can shut down the entire german economy overnight and deal with a social problems that will entail the forward a week won't help much there. and then on the other hand, realize there hasn't been any progress on climate protection gardens. that's one of your kind of my number's not. my name's lawrenceville time professor for economic policy at the university of bribery,
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director of the vault through oregon institute, and active and various advisory roles and economic policy making. that even if we discussed this at length for germany, essentially the conditions must be imposed worldwide. and i don't really see how that can happen, at least you treat as well. plus the answer back in the early 19 seventy's scientists let by dennis metro's war. and that's something had to change on a global scale. their report for limits to growth commissioned by the crop, the phone, outlined precise calculations of the impact of exponential growth on the planet. continuing a business, as usual, the approach will lead to catastrophe. it said 50 years later, the question is still the same. should our economy be allowed to continue growing? it won't work. say, representatives of what's known as the de growth or post close to movement. the economy must drink, polluting, energy sources go. we should do without unnecessary luxury goods,
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energy intensive sectors, such association, the automobile industry, our new construction should be phased out, allowing for the expansion of sector securing a sustainable future renewables, public transport, energy efficient renovation. guaranteeing jobs in the process. that should be the path we follow away from the religion of growth. but how do we get there? how do we voluntarily live with less we wanted to find out the one family. one experiment, the research call. yeah. that's the ending us try it for 2 weeks. the
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rules 5 regional products to limit imports instead of energy guzzling online streaming, offline entertainment, only is the offline entertainment. i think we should do that. i disagree. more bike instead of car the square up for that, aren't we? lots of yes. even when it's raining? yes, yeah. less living space. what could we do with that loss at my desk? i never use it. when could we certainly do need to use the veranda. 7. from 1991 to 2021 alone. living space per capita in germany increased by 37 percent. for the next 2 weeks, the family won't use part of their house. they plan a holiday without flying. leave the car at home and cycle instead, for example, to the new a supermarket. so off they go, seasonal regional products,
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only know imports. let's see what the variety is on offer. that's comes of that comes from from the, from belgium that, from holland that's from australia. it's still nice to know what type of other me well, no, we can't get tabitha by the sea. i think you know, that's regional. and what does it say on the packaging? a little control, clint coverage smells cookies. do spilled cookies. we always have bats at my grandma's since 1921 on series season those 30. okay. we can take the bed from berlin and we have them back in the day the lin, sugar mice. so we have some new. yes. we could make a salad in a pumpkin soup and grilled fennel. uh cuz the sensor yes, that's good. how about you come by, county tomatoes with that to your home. kind of we didn't get any tomatoes or
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cucumber from germany. as of that, it wasn't that easy to find things and in midwinter, what kind of vegetables can you buy a pod from cabbage and pumpkin in court? the pumpkin seedlings coming to an end. oh, and in any case you don't want to eat, not all the time. so that's the question of what you switch to a long spring today. it's pumpkin. so for dinner everything is checked, but not everyone's happy. and we can't just eat soup normally without some sort of issue. the soonest in the local the doing without is difficult, but it's a radical approach. the only way forward do we really have to turn our economic
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model upside down in order to save the climate. now this mountain fighter has been particular to my name's more than the title and political editor of the frank for to oregon, my nose own tech title, and i right to the energy policy under adoption and the german to beat. it could be forgiven for thinking that climate protection and the economy are polar opposites kind of that's, that's unfortunate to fix, right? because an actual fact, a flourishing economy is ideal for effective climate protection, commercially costs money. after all, kate, a growing economy is essential for climate protection. it's if we didn't have a pro spring economy because he's under what would happen to tax revenues i'm the most viewed. and then i reckon claim that protection would be the 1st thing to follow by the wayside to fate. environmental protection costs, money to and titles view, restrict to economic growth is the wrong approach. on how about the mucus, kinda the end of germany is be a role model for the world of everyone here is poor going around on bicycles and patched up the fluids on. we may well the claimant neutral new is going to follow
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our example. and because in the rest of the world, the people want to drive a mercedes, perhaps fast what they find to appealing a bit the german model. nice doesn't know that we're excitement neutral, but they weren't claimant neutral and still prosperous since making money and running clean businesses. green growth that's possible. suspend him. he's to attend these riley's regularly when he was active on fridays for future. he made posters registered demonstrations and took to the streets. but now he's distance himself from the movement is up for a new vehicle earlier, a speaker was seeing she can't hear the words wells and growth anymore. bruce done, but that's what it was. they all do. you because that doesn't fit with my assessment of the issue a told 2 people in my view prosperity create. so i'm not sure if you, yes, many countries would give anything for prosperity like this and it has to be honest . i find it very strange. well, today the most, taking
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a side off the streets and onto the stock exchange. he now works as a fund manager investing and companies that are making a conscious effort to reduce their carbon emissions. yeah, and as soon as i said in the ones, i mean we're investing in companies that may not be green yet that are in the process of turning green, so to speak about. and green is of course on abstract concepts and they're realizing their power as compliant. claimant protection strategy. we're investing in these companies because it gives us influence on that process. and it's his philosophy effect change where the impact will be great. just the you have been a huge number of goods are exported here from the federal republic of germany. that
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audit and there's a lot of leverage there that's about 4 to 6 dash to reason that we can see much more c o 2 here on an individual level in the home of the key definitely doesn't envisage the end of capitalism. on the contrary, that gets out, this is the basis for human existence, and consequently, the economy must adapt to the altered condition and it must change its been over the past. i firmly believe it will continue to grow and know my country much. what's going that sounds like some fine assignment protection and economic growth can be bedfellows because it'll be essential for climate protection. that carbon pricing incentivizes technical progress was an innovation to sense to me and, or, and technical progress is essential for economic growth, for the switch on flux of a flourishing economy, and a green transition from mila, and felt the 2 things complement one another. that's the idea behind green,
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gross for almost 200 years, it's been true when our country's economy grows. so does environmental pollution both green for us. this no longer applies. in fact, emissions trip ball continued growth, but in the green zone, by way of new technologies, clean energy and market based ideas. a booming economy was decreasing c o 2 emissions the goal, not just within industry, but also across the whole of the you. with the green deal, the european union aims to be the world's 1st climate neutral continents. by 2050 the auto focus groups. special metal parts for the automotive and aviation industry are manufactured here. for example, car will rims an energy intensive industry that faces major challenges. this site
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alone consumes as much energy as a town of 40000 inhabitants. nevertheless, the because a company, we're committed to the 1.5 degree target. what time would be that our goal is accordingly and drawn up a 20 year road, many $100.00. and that means it's not a sprint, it's, it's a marathon and where you need to be a company you'd along the route because i and provided with the conditions just to make it possible. germany's climate and transformation funds was established to do just that. but then came the bombshell from castle and november 2023. the federal constitutional court declared unconstitutional to reallocate on use corona virus funding to the climate fund, jeopardizing its operations with a knock on effect at a to folks. we assume that we're funding had been approved, it would stay that way also. so team is a huge shock. not all the projects are no longer financially viable and become best
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significant improvements. we'd hope for 5, including carbon neutrality, and are now unfortunately much more difficult to achieve income because of how many new climate friendly machines suddenly had to be finance without the expected subsidies. another purchase was canceled altogether, new funding opportunities, unavailable, economic minister hold that. how big and march 2024 are the best a drop in the ocean for the middle of processing industry. international competition is tough. as soon as you go with it, but it's not the job of politics to make our lives easy, but it's also not the job of politics to make our lives difficult if you're getting investment commitments in advance and these are honored and, and that's very frustrating of course you will see we're all fully aware of the budget's current state data house, and now we're having to see what we can do to get ourselves out of this dilemma dilemma where we're still expected to tackle this transformation for us with significantly less than one dixon and that'll be a major challenge for the entire industry. also, china under cuts, prices abroad,
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and america heavily subsidizes its own economy and his view without much more generous subsidies in germany. a green economic miracle seems unlikely. but how do you get the sense that there is no concept mad or, and also a sense that industry isn't one that at all, evans and it'll simply go away achieving the emissions reductions target that went through. and i'll have, i've taught others where look here and secured their subsidies before the constitutional court turned off. the top like just called the german steel long regarded as the backbone of the economy, the basis for its upturn, the pet to me, of quality in the country. had a clear path to becoming the world's leading exporter and to unimagined prosperity
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. but this success has come at a price to hor, region as a case in point. afterall 2.5 percent of all harmful greenhouse gases in germany are emitted from to some corporate chimneys alone. globally, the steel industry is responsible for 8 percent of all the emissions now we're not waiting for anyone else to begin. we're starting ourselves. we in the state of north ryan west valia, are supporting this project to, to some clips with one of the largest funding decisions to the largest funding decision in the history of the federal republic of germany. hope to the tune of 2000000000 years.
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but not everyone's able to imagine the screen miracle fitness box. did you break it down? i'd argue that green growth is macro economic, green washing bushing and other words for him growth remains problematic. my name is marcia smith, so i'm in economic historian and transformation researchers. i've long been focused on growth and alternatives to grow and some bucks to me. the ecological transformation won't succeed, was further growth, says tremendous people, the screen growth isn't just solution to the climate crisis. minutes and site uses the mid seventies. at least it's been claim that economic growth can be the couple from environmental impacts, but that hasn't happened yet. and there is little evidence to suggest it'll take place to a sufficient extent also in the time that remains most and does have lives inside here there, pondering different ways to do business, the university of transport,
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the course transformation research then when the interest of what we're basically seeing most the promises were made regarding efficiency gains or a greeting process through technology gains shipping the don't go far enough. i missed all sky schmidt. it says that like almost all industrialized countries, germany would need another 220 years of the current rate to obtain climate neutrality. the the other this in this dispute. so speed is one pit stop. we all know this is far too late and that by then economy is like germany's will have exceeded their c o 2 budget many times over. in principle, we can imagine that trying to v carbonite as a growing economy is like trying to go down an escalator that's constantly going up . what types of india had come on and not long get studies
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show that industrialized countries should actually be cleaning up their act 10 times faster than they have been. critics believe this is impossible with even more growth, because generating sufficient green energy as possible. contraction is the only solution they say, this is scott is disconnected. antoine and the fee that it's been calculated. how many wind turbines would be needed by chosen cooper loan with einstein? and that's just one steel plans dismissing. so you want to be able to do that across the board for the entire economy. one of these, as far as i'm concerned, it's absolutely clear that it will come down to doing without any fees that would be there that will be forced by the climate crisis. the board will be smart enough to do it in advance. liability for head support from the bottom was one that it has to be separated from the political debate. even individuals keen to make a personal cutbacks should definitely go ahead. and tyson, such a choice can only be applauded. most people got to and citizens wheels,
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great power here. i don't know. it's as if most people suddenly decide to eat less meat. doesn't even go to have an incredible impact on our carbon footprint or to the of what else, or if people want to plan vacations with like flying funding and conducting dental this to me to my just warrant against turning it into a political program. and that's simply because that would start resistance and do that to failure once again, and need to shut down and placed in our experiment, continues living with less. is it possible? and would it be that bad the vacation without air travel? that's today's task for claudia and the reason they want to go to portugal. news, we need to get to villa, nova 2925 kilometers to mid. i'm going to 9 hours by car with public transport. casting it in, 12366 changes. i never get that. it's not at all easy to find out how to get there
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and come out and say from dressed in to paris and from paris to bordeaux. and now we've got to get from bordo to madrid, that should work you and it's like fulton in or not as of the i don't i so according to this and both jenny's baron's back to take at least 23 days. and then unless you can plan a 3 week holiday time, it's not, was that i guess it's just, yeah. and you know, kinda in the 3 days there and 3 days back a few times if you've got to loads of time and you can be relaxed about it. and then i think it's a great way to travel, isn't i? but that's because i can only take 2 weeks holiday at a time. i can use this sort of trip isn't an option for me. translation size, and so it's not possible. oh, let's get the living like this is really very satisfying. is it? i was i'll, cuz what you have to realize is that often individuals are trapped in work
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structures and that they don't have the option to save half the cheapest. i'm only doing a 30 hour week now. i don't take a pay cut or i don't want my full salary. that'd be even better. of course the best . as soon as you come look at brockman, i'm he so c elegy, professor, my work is focused on happiness vision, sean also tired, glues, and also part of larger structures. and they can strain on and in mid life. in particular, you have a lot of obligations associated with your hands are often tightened on of to him big appointment. but at what point are we content? does wellbeing always require more and more of everything? this is a piece of b and you go back to the flag, what is, is less growth, really the question for is different growth. perhaps the better idea top it's a question that's also been addressed in happiness research. we need an alternative gauge and actually sent to human, contentment, or happiness. a very good gauge because it's something that people can judge for
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themselves. stuff cool today, but what time con mosley? i know some of the owners of restaurant kink found their happiness for them. prosperity has a lot to do with feeling well. hey, good to see. i'm saying, yeah, yes, great. the stroke line, we're not gonna mess. but little to do with growth. in their past roles, there was rarely time to carefully select products directly from the farmer. the victim and the other to keep growing next. minimize the question of the size more stores, more restaurants, more acceptance or internally invited. how can we improve what we do in our communication, social, and moral responsibility for the customer where we are in the sector? it'd be difficult to run another 10 businesses in the same way. and some of the, or the
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definition of gross isn't any case. quite different than the socially accepted norm of the business. so if i can ask myself, i guess what am i actually doing here? and why am i doing this? a told bookcase. me a bed in the morning and then to bed at night. that's the point. because if i'm making progress there, then i'd say that for me to pass more meaningful than a growth is surely monetary. i'm going to taylor next to most of these a good time and we'll solve. we also have to break the thought patterns we've been taught on this. and we haven't yet learned to say that we define prosperity, which different ways model, unless definitive. and they took a leap of space, contrary to broad economic theory, which focuses on one clear gold pros. the, after all, the economy has a benchmark, the gross domestic product. i figure that packs a punch, it measures the sum of all goods and services produced and then economy. but the
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gdp doesn't register the usefulness for sustainability of a service. no matter whether i buy an s u v or so hadnot and sweaters. the main thing is, money is moved on a 100000 square kilometer island and the cold north atlantic. they've devised a new economic formula for themselves, wellbeing and quality of life. instead of a blind facing growth, it was their response to crisis. 2008, the international financial crash rocks. the nation. iceland, financial sector was in ruins. the the countries 3 major banks went fast within a week. the nation's currency plummeted. the
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thousands of icelanders were drowning in debt and lost their homes. thousands lost their jobs. the result protest outside parliament and a call for new elections. at the time thor seed for send was head of a large insurance company and a top earner. but he too was caught up in the financial crash. i think in many ways it was uh, of course a crisis for me as well. so i have to, i would like to re live that period again. uh, but at least what i, what i found out this, that we need to continue and need to look back to some of the ideas that i had and figured out what the could be, where i could really have uh, a stand. so it was uh, a time of sort of like, uh, uh, a receipt going my, my, uh, my existence, in many ways, 6,
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your son found the ocean cluster in 2011, bringing together tech companies and the fisheries industry. the idea to use as much of the fish as possible good for value creation. the environment in the wake of the crisis. iceland has re organized itself and we defined its perception of economic success. for example, more attention is now being paid to health and environmental factors of click for darcia used to manage a large company. now she runs a small store. thank goodness she says, i can keep her balance and just any way i like because it's much in smaller business, i control it much issue. it's much less pressure, much less stress. she's lost nothing through her decision but
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gain a great deal for example, time and the willingness to use it. i love being in the nature you get more complex to, to the earth, to the ground, being close to nature. and the horses as they say in iceland, quality of life is also part of prosperity. not just money. just like clean air and social cohesion. we are also rather closely connected with our families and with friends, with small nation people know people and yeah, i think that's one part of it. this the close and nice of people between people the and 2019
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the well being economy was introduced as a basic political program. in iceland, the nation hasn't turned back on economic growth altogether. but now whether something has a price tag isn't all that matters. the, the wellbeing economy focuses on other issues, just economic growth, which says, well, most nations are focusing on and the un collect data for but with a growing economy, that doesn't mean the un, my, the natured or people have any sort of well being. my name is christine law. i like most of this, i'm a professor in the department of growth sciences at the university of ice storm.
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she played a key role in iceland is economic policy shift. it's important to think about the economy in a different way on economy, which is for people employment and not just for poor kid can to, to show that you're actually using more than more resources selling more and more stuff and people collecting what they actually don't really need 139 indicators have since served as a political basis, guiding decisions on the use of public funds the so all investments need to be shifted to to be good for, for people on planet. and last is very important. so basically
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the wellbeing coach, calling on me thinking is about re purpose and the call on me the doing business, but differently. price alone doesn't make us happy. that's the idea. perhaps a model for germany to germany has one of the most important economies in the world . this is both an opportunity and a challenge and the battle against climate collapse. as a society, we must do something each and every one of us can do something. endless. life is certainly changed, at least for the duration of our experiment. this taking last is school by bike. i think that is true. yes, exactly. we can keep doing that. i'm on the launch rough condition, special action. i already know the landscape because we always take the same route by car as has been. it is just
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a bit boring to sit in the car all the time and look at boring scenery long by the elantra funds from. you guys have some type of skills that come a use of media and available online media, media inputs and it makes you realize that these days are in need to be online or is this one i can manage every day life with hoping online whether it's for school or just for fun, but i thought to in the long run, so it doesn't work for me. so i get dismissed for 2 weeks, the little bits keys have tried going without involuntarily set themselves limitations. as for me, so. so okay. i think it's okay. i'd be happy to shop more at the organic store, and in any case, i'm the kind of person who likes to have more time for things. but in my view, the issue here is you just can't make the time of us as a safe. and in general, i think it's really nice to have a but time to mom's shift foster paste life. and from that to that, to them up from that not done of that certainly possible by calm done was much more
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and then the food has to be coped quickly. it has to happen fast and it's supposed to be honest. and i don't know how that would work in our everyday life. realistic is that the results of the experiment? it's doable. partly it's just a bit tricky with the offline entertainment's yeah. but i managed it to us by 2 days. think something, at least the more or less the definitive question for the future, the prosperity was out, gross or only with gross and can get to start centrally. it's about differentiating between useful growth and less useful growth and having a social debate about that to have been because if we don't manage to build
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a claimant neutral system in which we can grow economically and then the planet is doomed. being a longer term growth makes it easier to mitigate the distribution conflicts that can arise in a society. and if it's a take growth, it's easier to share then if it remains the same size like bicycle was lived. in a worst case scenario where we're giving up about 50 percent of our economic output . we'd still be as rich as the west. germans were in 1978, and as anyone around at the time will tell you, we were just as happy then as we are now, and it was a good life to sleep. i'm still keeping the whole box. we will turn around and put this on the best of pos of the
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because he was gonna, i never would have thought this day would count. that's fine. so convinced i'm of the right of interest and we decided she wants to live. that's part of sophie's daily routine. she's open about her mental illnesses sharing with others, how they impact for life. and in doing so, she gives one thing about all the choosing fuzzy minutes on d w. every morning. i go to my grandma, i don't know so now mom says,
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