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the mapped out shows the geopolitical reality. the on the board is what makes things to the way they are mapped out, navigating a changing world. now on youtube, the, you know, he lives with the c plus up, some people know even may nibble to says blue dies banking, updating the logos, these. thank you, my uncle. let's see in the file. i can screw up to my village and feel safe, but t a, now we get it re, n u a go everywhere visit. i used to feel safe because that a lot of me cheapest and i hear that. so i went to the village, most of the places and let's see, bring back the girls. remember that rallying cry, calling for the safe return of 276 school girls who had been kidnapped by vocal around in nigeria. well that was 10 years ago and despite campaigns and immense
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pressure on the government, some people girls are still in captivity to the state. sadly, abductions, have now become a business, and especially children and young people are the victim. so today on the 77 percent, we want to look at how people get objected in the 1st place, who is behind these kidnappings and how they can be stopped. stay tuned for us read to bade from nigeria and also interviews with kidnappers and experts. my name is, let's show, let's dive right into it. i believe you are watching us from somewhere safe and you don't have to worry about someone breaking into your home and taking you away. but in some parts of africa, the threat of being abducted is real south africa has the highest number of objections on the continent. meanwhile, in nigeria, school girls are becoming an easy to targets. and unfortunately,
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mass kidnappings are happening where it's already difficult for girls to get an education in the 1st place. listened. security is one of the reasons why more than 700 schools were closed in northern nigeria 2 years ago. so what exactly led to this crisis? did enough in inmate julia has dramatically evolved over the last big system from religiously motivated up the options to a profitable enterprise run by criminal guns known as funded the most in seamless incidence remains the 2014 up section of 207 to 6 schoolgirls bifocal har um, however, into ronald west and central regions getting up and has become a business for me on monday. kit is displaced by conflicts with farm is up tend to bundle feet, creates an um, networks that carry out lots school run, some kid nothings in 2023 alone for about $3600.00 kids. nothing. square reports, a nation wide mark him and national crisis. major has
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a strong security force. so why is it so difficult to tackle this problem? even the political really there. then the challenge from the crypt detract elements are known to do it for a bit, treat in the october banditry, a group of renegade individuals who are challenging disagreements here use so forth by the state. and they have their reasons where to justify it or not. by 2020 full, the crisis have escalated even near a good job. entails like body who j. n. well, a lot of residents live in fear with many lead to the city center is really careful. well, one cannot get enough food to eat, or you have your loved one told you, i'm going to be paid a price that you i've never seen the life. why i sleeping the nights. i don't know
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with obviously been mess big. we are in fear. sometimes our businesses are not booming well because of these security challenges. high pulpits and unemployment rates push many young people into bundle. well, security forces locked the tools to come by them. yes, there is hope. in august 2020 full measure and put these, dismantled, and major kidding up in ring c. as in web phones, phones and other tools on the score in the course of use the cation of these criminals. the question remains, how can i g, i and this crisis well to, and the crisis security forces definitely need to deal with the perpetrators. but kidnappers, who are they, and why do they believe it's okay to snatch people from their homes or schools, or from the streets? we have an exclusive interview with one can never i was, and we need to get to can with adding math. i some people hold it as
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a profession initially the engaging to read as a form of the vin, our guy. yeah. i'm a know it as being turned into a profession, a select kind of a, do you the web doctor, people whom they suspect of getting something from that is ongoing without the dc. initially, abduction was done by people who knew the victims and what they could get from them, but it has become widespread because many people migrate to them left the place. so they go in search of the free. sometimes they have the victims on the highway and as you go, as i was and they don't care whether those cups of money or not, what they are concerned is run. some must be paid to them as well as it goes through the end of the name of the a lot less. so for i will buy car. this is just a business. but can you imagine what an abduction means for the victims? how do you get back on your feet after spending days, months year's income riveted under the circumstances? i don't even want to imagine on the sad 10 year anniversary of the 2 books school
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abduction. we had the chance to talk to one of the girls was taken by vocal her. i'm how i took part in our street debate in the bush with my colleague, edith came on the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent st debates this week. we a back in may. julia's capital, a butcher. now 7500. that's the number of reports of keeping up in cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a pressing the people who are going to be speaking to us to be trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it's a start right here with how well i know when we talk about kid not being in a do a, you might go back to the to book goes and you will actually one of them. it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you
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that did that? yeah. in school to these people just come on the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes, they just got your 2 d some diesel for 3 years. we spent 3 years were there and we, i just please. well, we have paused and we was to come back to see a parent and is that up to us that we be missing them or this then we start skating on and we just say is we start quality and the job, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released, would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question? yes, i'm to scan because as to call me to our campus, he's the vocal honda. so i'm kind of confused to at home safe because i'm of the
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if i have one that just showed to, despite what the government did, and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not you've. i'm to add to them for assist that's do day for 10 is do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i didn't. so it was stuff like you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by bulk of around they have some very incredible mutants ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup to is what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice. then i saw someone uh, plan v. my did. so do i way out in black, lots uh, looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of them that got in 18. 47. so i been with them for with uh,
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15 days. uh, because uh, investigation is between life and date on the way i just actually enough uh, found some uh, 500000000. i said that i don't have it. i know of my family is having the 100000000 debt to equity. it says that it looks like money due. okay. we dallas know we, i assume you coming back to my pharmacy. i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course, the situation that we're talking about getting a julia is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was keeping up a news, a friend, or a friend of a friend, you know named julian. okay. so you're saying no. ne julian has been unaffected. yeah. but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like the bulk of a rom, it's very clear. they wanted to form a country where does that disparity come from? when they decided to, in the case of the kidnappers, for us? so it just started lightly as a conflict between hy, this and promise,
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which is normally during the harvest among the house on i'm on the, for any, i know it was a house and the full, i knew full audience when not familiar with need to find. uh the for line. yeah, the highest and the house is a tribe that has been mixed up by religion. okay. so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me they start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drug. but how does that then become kidnapping when it last time you came connecting because of the lack of social justice as to the connection among a security person? in the issues of managing the glazing months, they started selling grease a lunch to the promise. so how does have new identity is solution, nicolle roshan and so on us. okay, so just to i've made to the let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history. but i think we get the gist of it. and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that 12 yesterday,
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when we're talking about kids not being, you'd expect to find a put a uniform police officer here. we actually had one and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that it was a debate they chose not to participate. regardless of that, you still depend on the police officers halima and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what impact did that have on on you'll find me. it's tries so hard. does pause the video on the show media. how do a plug in them? my treating them in the bush of the shots and crying on the nice thing that lead off come up aside. she's given the governments us with that you've the don't call to give them what the ones that they're going to slow to all of them. so how did you eventually get to a system back, mercedes by good grace without being any run. so that's good. i don't know that is
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between them and the government. i want to come to just show because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah. why people, so they're being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long? the bottom line is money. it's a money making venture. so for example, you this, that small undergraduate into bigger groups and the more the got the victims, the more money to make nigeria is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you have a kid, napa, not a digital currency. yes. because no kid, nobody wants to take money by, by wire, by bank transfer or anything because it'll be a trip. so, so long that this cash in the society, the issue of keep not being is all going any we soon let me hear a few most solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in order for this to become a problem of the past? so that night julia is no longer dealing with this. and so your hand up little as
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pain did. i'm some completely because we are all on was we to missing a number of people that are being keyed in the country, so even to keep people tired, no money nor around. so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. ok, so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution can be filed if not so how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the kennedy. okay. do i see joshua's hand up? i think he wants to respond to this uh, new stuff. uh let me come to you 1st. you say, you know what, in order to use a button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that because as a product, your people are taking money to this uh, keeping up with this get nothing would not. and uh and if any one or a victim into a 100 kids enough us lucky's life,
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the government should come. i would buy a confed stating that family, at least, at least with a minimum of at least a $5000000.00 because we have money. uh okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you are leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish joshua. to me what he said is a know to me that on some of the going to give the family will live, bring back the person to kill it, gone, but it came back as want me to time i was good enough, but i did. this is in the position that that will not come back, but i do monday that will give to my family probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to i mean, what if the person just industry to give the funding to the last one is the burden of the family they didn't showed you. you came back to your family or you know, provide you for your family, but it was the government concerned to provide for the families that i believe your, you don't know what government is, do you the best of that can be dealt with much and as to when he is go you,
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i do see a new way to stop this kidnapping footboards lead the government in order with disabilities x that is motor id. to do the work by step in this, i could not been assigned you there. let me, let me close this up with just show because we're hearing obviously some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another, final thoughts for you to say stop payment of run. so it is beyond words, because once your, your 5 though your mother or really to just kidnapped your sense of judgment is automatically impaired. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that run some payment is reduced, it cannot be stopped. so we asked what sounded like a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem of kidnapping caring? they do re a very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that myself would love to hear from you, but for now. thank you all for watching
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the thank you very much. it is for that fantastic street debate a little wave. although i have to say the picture painted is pretty grim. i still wonder whether the abduction prices in nigeria can be stopped. what solutions already out there? well, let's hear what our expert has to say. duct deck up here, a demo c o of beacon security and intelligence base. and nigeria. i'm aware that previously some govern those one of them we've the minutes that d a d federal level brought together all the articles in the you know how to prove that the traditional religion deflecting community and difficult to dep. monday, give them to condition the auto group that you've government for the fields. that condition they will make sure no unit from among the community joined monday groups under the condition of one, including the def, monthly and of all of vigilante groups in northern nigeria. yes,
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i think the 2nd condition was the provision of fish. i loved unity for the community. and as far as i'm concerned is i know it's difficult to month, but my point is the new month, i know why the explanation has not been implemented. it's really because of the, i've sent the political root. so mister demo says that a lack of political will is why people in parts of nigeria are still living in constant fear. well, in kenya, where objections also take place, it is suspected that elected officials may be behind those crimes. i'm sure you remember the so called jen z protest that took place a few months ago. well, some activists got abducted and their case shows why we need social movements both online and offline, in order to protect people who are brave enough to criticize those in power of every year. hundreds of young canyons adopted or disappeared without a trace. for the victims, there is no escape. i'm the way so you have to say that you can go your best phone
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shot too many believe those tasks that we've protecting them are in fact the ones instigating the tara. of course fans and fans and friends, full police official but many canyons have had enough of being bullied into submission. if so wait until is free today. believe that kenya and they will be can, you will be free one day and every other concert and not frequent in june, the gen z protest, she'll kenya to each core police open file and piece we protest as getting over 50 people. bill eugene is video griffin, an active as was one of the phones land protest as he shows us. he's safe house where he saw the refuge during this time, opinion and dog. she had nestled between 2 apartment blocks for someone to come some good view of a uh, in 5000, the 5th, the community. and that's a, that's why i consider these are the 5th. but eugene,
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sense of safety was advised one night stealing from t of as he approached the safe house. when the whites ca suddenly pulled up for masked men, jumped out and forced him inside, handcuffed and blindfolded. he received no explanation why or why they were taking him. when the cost stopped, he was dropped into a quote room. oh, as mutant that i live then or of to to, to get off my clothes. and then they asked me, who's funding? and and, and, and, and who was that platform that sending it to this truth? eugene was forcibly disappeared. a secret imprisonment and torture. many i rested in public but never taken to a police station or a court of law. all of us liked influenza. shay tallies? abducted in unmatched cars as recorded here on c, c t. v cameras with 315 and forced to disappear and says since 2019 it
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is becoming suspend logic. we suspect it's a police operation. if we listen to the stories of people who and forcibly disappear, doing tendencies on the previous, he is. this dies the more desolate and us of the sea and this way glad craft. so this kind of would be a civilian or petition challenged with these accusations. both the police and the director for public prosecutions refused to comment for them. event enforce disappearance is a deeply troubling trend of policy. with the end of end stating, fia and tara, on october 20 canyon celebrate much who john de, honoring those who fought for independence. bagley uses this occasion to remember the victims of police brutality as the leader of this week in your movement. it was fortunately disappeared in all of us and only released after the high court select
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into the inspector general of these with imprisonment dogs. these kenya do cross roads. so the 2 options of you asked me, right? not a that we do a couple of initiative, which is that are for a num, our we have a popular uprising, which is that a pollution, it depends on the reaction of the state. if this debt is well come to open dialogue with the people that is the solution of the ones as frequent number. while you didn't survived his imprisonment after being dumped and left on the side of the road. his dormant, as failed at breaking him together with older survivors. he's creating a documentary about in judge violence and tajah st. silence. i wonder what we have to
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do much about using plans to wait for the upcoming elections to vote for the change . the desperate really need to do it. what can jen z? wait that long. those who allegedly abducted and touch at them. austin and paul and have long since abandoned the rules that i don't know about to you, but to me the sounds a bit depressing and i believe citizens feeling helpless. but we've learned that raising awareness about abductions is an important action step. and this is not only the duty of active this but also of the media. so what do we need? a free and independent press. and by the way, we have a lot of end up reports on the topic on our youtube channel. well, now travel to come a room where brave journalists are being abducted and blackmailed as a weapon to silence them. me come, a rooney and journalist and whistle blow, a pole tutor was kidnapped off to watching a football match. at
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a nearby cafe unknown men forced him into a call and beat him up, brutally. he says they wanted to kill him. just midway up to the cfo's that there was a motorcycle that's for jim, just around the corner. that's when they left and drove all the comments. they were convinced that i was dead or should just before that they told me they had a mission and told me to say my last breath. when you talk and say your last spray i, you know what i mean? see, suppose i some church is still trying to find out who want to kill him so far. no one has been arrested as evidence tutor documented and published pictures of his injuries. this was not the 1st time he was attacked. budget was the most brutal. he still carries both the physical and emotional scars. mr. moseley sees a trauma for life when i pass the display as i get flushing bucks of the time. why young ladies? even as guy here on the left side of my face, my,
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i still suffer from the post traumatic lakehoma. and apart from that is there is, there is also a psychological trauma. was ranked 100 and 30th out of 180 countries on the world press freedom index in 2020 full camera root is rated as one of the least 3 countries. full price, world wide investigative journalist flagpole to tell often suffer from repression by law enforcement. fellow journalist martinez, they'll go was tortured to death and shoot to himself spent a year behind the boss. he already spent 20 full months bind boss for legit information. look at them and they did the same thing to me. have they need to martinez if you know how he died? you can imagine this that i was in when i was found, they took my clothes, i was negative, given much, each on this martinez has to eat his own faces. they took all of his cloth away. it is the same kind of thoughts i went through because i was just like the officer. so files me back,
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bye. see the super church. i continues to search for his attack cuz he wants justice. meanwhile, government authorities insist that the country is safe for journalists, but recent events prove otherwise. so we're getting to the end of our show today me . it wasn't one of those uplifting and fun episodes. but indeed an important issue that we wanted to shed light on. and even though abductions, continue happening every day across africa, we have learned that a combination of solutions can help solve the crisis. political will security forces that are not corrupt, higher standards of living, a strong civil society and a free and independent press. i'd really like to know what your thoughts of our show today. so please drop us a comment on youtube. instagram or a tick tock. that's it from me and the whole team. thank you so much for watching. i'll leave you with the song but carries a very powerful message. month says you made by burn a boy by n c a next time the
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