is also crazy. the, you know, id lose weight of c plus up some people know even may nibble to says, blue dies banking up being low, both sees. thank you, my uncle, let's see before i can go to my village and you'll see, but t a. now yet every n u a go everywhere, visit i used to food safety because that a lot of community center here that so i went and reviewed it most of the places and let's see, bring back the girls. remember that rallying cry, calling for the safe return of 276 school girls who had been kidnapped by vocal

around in nigeria. well, that was 10 years ago. and despite campaigns and immense pressure on the government, some people girls are still in captivity to the state. sadly, abductions, have now become a business, and especially children and young people are the victim. so today on the 77 percent, we want to look at how people get objected in the 1st place, who is behind these kidnappings and how they can be stopped, say 2 and 4 street debate from nigeria, and also interviews with kidnappers and experts. my name is, let's show, let's dive right into it. i believe you are watching us from somewhere safe and you don't have to worry about someone breaking into your home and taking you away. but in some parts of africa, the threats of being abducted is real full of africa has the highest number of, of actions on the continent. meanwhile, in nigeria,

school girls are becoming an easy targets. and unfortunately, mass kidnappings are happening where it's already difficult for girls to get an education in the 1st place. listened. security is one of the reasons why more than 700 schools were closed in northern nigeria 2 years ago. so what exactly led to this crisis? did enough in inmate julia has dramatically evolved over the last system from religiously motivated up the options to a profitable enterprise run by criminal guns known as funded the most in seamless incidence remains the 2014 up section of 276 schoolgirls bifocal har. um, however, into ronald west and central regions getting up and has become a business for me on monday. kit is displaced by conflicts with farmers. hop tend to bundle street, creates an networks carry out lots school, run, some kid, nothing's in 2023 alone for about 3600 kids. nothing. square reports at nationwide

. martin and national crisis. my judo has a strong security force. so why is it so difficult to tackle this problem? even the political really there, then to challenge from the drift. detract elements. i know that those who a, a bit treat in the october button to treat a group of really great individuals who are challenging disagreements. you use the force by the state and they have, they are even without justify it or not. by trim between the full, the crisis have escalated even near a good job. entails like body who j. n. while, while other residents live in fear, with many leading to the city center is really powerful. well, one cannot get enough food to eat. or you have your loved one co does. i'm strong

to be paid a price that you, i've never seen in life. why i sleepy that night? i don't know. what are we to the next big we are in fear. sometimes our businesses are not booming well because of the security challenges. high pulpits and unemployment rates push many young people into bundle was security forces locked the tools to come by them. yet there is hope in august 2020 full measure and pretty is dismantled and made kidding up in ring c. as in west phones, phones and other tools on the score in the course of use the cation of these criminals. the question remains, how can my g a and this crisis? well to, and the crisis security forces definitely need to deal with the perpetrators. but kidnappers, who are they, and why do they believe it's okay to snatch people from their homes or schools, or from the streets? we have an exclusive interview with one can that per i what else?

and what do i need to get to can with adding well, so i some people hold it as a profession. initially they engage in 3 t as a form of the vin, our guy. yeah. i'm a know it as being tied into a profession, a select kind of a, do you the web doctor, people whom they suspect of getting something from that. the as island, without it gives you initially, abduction was done by people who knew the victims and what they could get from them . but it has become widespread because many people migrate to them left the place. so they go in search of the free. sometimes they have the victims on the highway and as you go, as i've always used and they don't care whether those cups of money or not, they are concerned, he's run some must be paid to them as well as it goes through the end of the name of the other of us. so for i will buy car, this is just a business, but can you imagine what an abduction means for the victims? how do you get back on your feet after spending days, months year's income riveted under the circumstances?

i don't even want to imagine on the sad 10 year anniversary of the 2 books school abduction we had the chance to talk to one of the girls was taken by vocal her. i'm how i took part in our street debate, in borgia with my colleague, edith came on the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent st debate this week. we a back in may do as capital a buddha. now 7500. that's the number of reports of keeping up in cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a press on the people who are going to be speaking to us to be trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it's a start right here with how well i know when we talk about kidnapping in a do, you might go back to the to book goes and you will actually one of them. it's been

10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you that did that? yeah, in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes, they just got your 2 d some diesel for 3 years. we spent 3 years were there and we, i just please. well, we share pause and we was to come back to see a parent. and is that up to us that we be missing them or this then we start scanning and we just say is we start quality and the job. you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released . would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question? yes, i'm to scan because as to call me to our campus, he's the vocal. honda. so i'm kinda confused to at home safe because i'm of the

if i here on the just should do despite what the government did, and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not you've. i'm to add to them for assist us. do day for 10 is do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i do. so it was stuff like you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by bulk of around they have some very incredible mutants ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup to is what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice. then i saw someone uh plain view. my did. so do i way out in black, lots uh, looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of them that got it in 18. 47. so i been with them for what?

uh, 15 days. uh, because uh, investigation is between life and date and the way i just actually enough, uh, found some uh, 500000000. i said that i don't have it. i know of my family is having the 100000000 debt to equity. it says that there's no such money there. okay. we dealt with no we, i assume you coming back to my pharmacy. i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course, the situation that we're talking about here and they, julia, is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was keeping up on news, a friend or a friend of a friend, you know named julian. okay. so you're saying no. ne julian has been unaffected. yeah. but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like the bulk of a rom, it's very clear. they wanted to form a country where does that disparity come from? when they decided to, in the case of the kidnappers, for us?

so it just started lightly as a conflict between hy, this i promise, which is normally during the harvest among the house on i'm on the, for any, i know it was a house and the full, i knew full audience will not familiar with need to find. uh the for line. yeah, the highest and the house is a tribe that has been mixed up by religion. okay, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me the start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drug. but how does that then become kidnapping when it looked at became kidnapping because of the lack of social justice as to the connection among a security person in the issues of managing the glazing months, they started selling grease a lunch to the promise. so how does have new identity is solution, nicolle roshan and so on us. okay, so just to i've made to the let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history,

but i think we get the gist of it. and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that 12 yesterday, when we're talking about kids not being, you'd expect to find a put a uniform police officer here. we actually had one and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that it was a debate they chose not to participate. regardless of that, you still depend on the police officers halima and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what impact did that have on on you'll find me. it's tries so hard. does pause the video on the show media. how do a plug in them? my treating them in the bush of the shots and crying on the nice thing that lead off come up aside. he's given the government's us would. it's that you've the don't call to give them what the ones that they're going to slow to all of them. so how did you eventually get to a system back, mercedes by god degrees,

without being any run. so that's good. i don't know that is between them and the government. i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah. why people, so they're being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long? the bottom line is money. it's a money making venture. so for example, you this, that small undergraduate into a bigger groups and the more the got the victims, the more money to make nigeria is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you could have a kid, napa, not a digital currency. yes. because no kid, nobody wants to take money by, by wire, by bank transfer or anything because it'll be a trip so long that this cash in the society, the issue of keep not being is not going any. we soon let me hear a few most solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in

order for this to become a problem of the past? so that night julia is no longer dealing with this. and so your hand up little pain did. i'm some completely because we are all on was we to missing a number of people that are being keyed in the country. so even to keep people tired, no money nor around. so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution can be found. if not for how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the community. okay. do i see just shows hands up? i think he wants to respond to this uh, new stuff. uh, let me come to you 1st. he say, you know what, in order to use a button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that. because as a product you, people are taking money to this kid now for us, this kid, nothing would not. and i'm in new one or a victim into

a 100 kids. now if us lucky's life, the government should come, i would buy confed, stating that family at least actually lives with a minimum of at least a $5000000.00 because we have money. uh okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you are leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish joshua. to me, what he said is a know to me. that awesome the going to give the family will live, bring back the person to kill. it can bring him back as well. i mean, to time i was good enough, but i did. this is in the position that that will not come back. but i do monday that will give to my family probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person just industry to give the funding to the last one is the bud. when the of the family didn't feel you, you came back to your family or you know, provide you for your family. but it was the government concerned to provide for the families that i believe your, you don't know what government is,

do you the best of that can be dealt with much and as to when he is go you. i do see a new way to stop this kidnapping footboards lead the government in order with disabilities 6, that is not ready to do their work by stopping this uh, get not being remind you that let me, let me close this up with joshua because we're hearing obviously, some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another, final thoughts for you to say stop payment of run. so it is beyond where it's because once your, your 5 though your mother or really to just kidnapped your sense of judgment is automatically impaired. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that run some payment is reduced, it cannot be stopped. so we asked what sounded like a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem of kids not being carrying? they do have very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that?

not so clear on that myself would love to hear from you, but for now. thank you all for watching. the thank you very much and it's for the defense testing street debate a wave. although i have to say the picture painted is pretty grim. i still wonder whether the abduction prices in nigeria can be stopped. what solutions already out there? well, let's hear what our expert has to say. duct deck up here, a demo c o of beacon security and intelligence base. and nigeria. i'm aware that previously some go from those one of them we've the minutes that d a d level brought together all the articles in the you know, how to prove that the traditional religion deflecting community and difficult to them. and they give them to condition the auto group that you've government for the fields. that condition they will make sure no unit from among the community to join monday groups under the conditions one include the def,

monthly and of all of vigilante groups in northern nigeria. yes, i think the 2nd condition was the provision of letting unity for the community. and as far as i'm concerned, if i'm not difficult with the month, but my point is that the month, i know why the explanation has not been implemented. really because of the i've sent the political will. so mister them will says that a lack of political will is why people in parts of nigeria are still living in constant fear. well, in kenya, where objections also take place, it is suspected that elected officials may be behind those crimes. i'm sure you remember the so called jen z protests that took place a few months ago. well, some activists got abducted and their case shows why we need social movements both online and offline, in order to protect people who are brave enough to criticize those in power of every year. hundreds of young canyons abducted or disappeared without a trace for the victims. there is no escape. i'm the way so you have to say that

you can go your best phone shot too many believe those tasks that we've protecting them are in fact the ones instigating the tara as far as the fans and fans and friends for police official but many canyons have had enough of being bullied into submission. if so, wait until is free today. believe that kenya and they will be can, you will be free one day and every other concert, enough time in june, the gen z protest sure. can you read score? police open file in peace with protest as getting over 50 people. bill eugene is video griffin, an active as was one of the phones land protest as he shows us. he's safe house where he saw the refuge during this time, pj, and, and dog. she had nestled between 2 apartment blocks for someone to come some good view of a uh, in 5000, the 5th, the community. and that's a,

that's why i consider these are the 5th. but eugene, sense of safety was advised one night stealing from t of as he approached the safe house when the whites ca suddenly pulled up for mass . men jumped out and forced him inside time coughed and blindfolded. he received no explanation why or why they were taking him when the cost stopped, he was dropped into a quote room oh, of between that and then of of to, to, to get off my clothes. and then they asked me, who's funding and, and, and, and, and who was that person that sending it to the street? eugene was forcibly disappeared. a secret imprisonment and torture. many i rested in public but never taken to a police station or a court of law. all of us like influenza shade, leave abducted in unmatched cars as recorded here on cctv cameras. which

315 and forced to disappear and say since 2019 it is becoming suspend logic. we suspect it's a police operation. if we listen to the stories of people who and forcibly disappear, doing tendencies on the previous see is this dies the more desolate and us on the see and this way, glad craft. so this kind of would be a civilian or petition challenged with these accusations. both the police and the director for public prosecutions refused to comment for them. event enforce disappearance is a deeply troubling trend of policy with the end of end stating caea and tara on october 20 canyon and celebrate much who john d, honoring those who fought for independence. but gaga uses this occasion to remember the victims of police brutality as the leader of this week in your movement. it was

fortunately disappeared in all of us and only released after the high court select into the inspector general of these with imprisonment dogs. these can you do cross fluids? so the 2 options of your ask me right? not a that we do a couple of initiative, which is that are for them, are we have a popular uprising which is that a pollution? it depends on the reaction of the state. if this debt is well come to open dialogue with the people. that is the solution of the ones as frequent number. why you didn't survived his imprisonment after being dumped and left on the side of the road. his dormant, as failed at breaking him together with all the survivors. he's creating a documentary about and judge violence and torture are being abducted and blackmailed as a weapon to silence them. come with rooney and journalist and whistle blow up.

paul tutor was kidnapped off to watching a football match at a nearby cafe. unknown men forced him into a call and beat him up, brutally. and he says they wanted to kill him. just midway up to the see if i was there, there was a motorcycle that's like him just around the corner. that's when they left and drove all the comments. they were convinced that i was dead or should just before that they told me they had a mission and told me to say my last breath. when you talk and say your last spray i, you know what i mean? see, suppose i some church is still trying to find out who want to kill him so far. no one has been arrested as evidence to, to documented and published pictures of his injuries. this was not the 1st time he was attacked. budget was the most brutal. he still carries both the physical and emotional scars. mr. moseley sees a trauma for life when i pass the display as i get flushed bucks of the time. why

young ladies? even as guy here on the left side of my face, my, i still suffer from the post traumatic lakehoma. and apart from that is there is, there is also, uh, psychological trauma was ranked 100 and 30th out of 180 countries on the world press freedom index in 2020 full camera root is rated as one of the least 3 countries full press world wide investigative journalist flagpole to tell often suffer from repression by law enforcement. fellow journalist martinez, they'll go was tortured to death and shoot to himself spent a year behind the boss. he already spent 20 full months bind boss for legit information. look at them and they did the same thing to me. have they need to martinez if you know how he died? you can imagine this that i was in when i was found, they took my cold, so i was negative. and given much, each on this martinez has to eat his own faces. they took all of his cloth away. it

is the same kind of torch i went through because i was just like the officer. so files me back by see the super church. i continues to search for his attack as he wants justice. meanwhile, government authorities and says that the country is safe for journalists, but recent events prove otherwise. so we're getting to the end of our show today, and it wasn't one of those uplifting and fun episodes. but indeed, an important issue that we wanted to shed light on. and even though objections continue happening every day across africa, we have learned that a combination of solutions can help solve the crisis. political will security forces that are not corrupt, higher standards of living, a strong civil society and a free and independent press. i'd really like to know what your thoughts of our show today. so please drop us a comment on youtube, instagram or a tick tock. that's it from me and the whole team. thank you so much for watching. i'll leave you with the song but carries a very powerful message. month says you made by burn a boy by

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