and honestly, try to busy and working 32 hours a week has to be balance, would be 5 minutes and 40. but of course we shouldn't be no need be the living scientists just had subscribe. whatever you listen to about costs the, you know, i'd be lives with the c plus of some people now even may nibble to says blue dies banking, updating logos, these, thank you my phone. let's see in the file. i can screw up to my village and you'll see, but now we get every n u a go everywhere the seats. i used to feel safe because that a lot of community center here that so i would really, really most of the places and let's see. ring back, girls. remember that rallying cry, calling for the safe return over 276 school girls who had been kidnapped by bulk of

around in nigeria. well, that was 10 years ago and the spies come, pains and immense pressure on the government. some people girls are still in captivity to the state. sadly, abductions, have now become a business, and especially children and young people are the victim. for today on the 77 percent, we want to look at how people get objected in the 1st place. who's behind these kidnappings and how they can be stopped? stay tuned for us read to bade from nigeria and also interviews with kidnappers and experts. my name is, let's show, let's dive right into it. i believe you are watching us from somewhere safe and you don't have to worry about someone breaking into your home and taking you away. but in some parts of africa, the threats of being abducted is real full of africa has the highest number of objections on the continent. meanwhile, in nigeria, school girls are becoming an a as it targets. and unfortunately,

masking that things are happening where it's already difficult for girls to get an education in the 1st place. but since security is one of the reasons why more than 700 schools were closed in northern nigeria 2 years ago. so what exactly led to this crisis did enough in inmate julia has dramatically evolved over the last system from religiously motivated up the options to a profitable enterprise run by criminal guns known as funded the most in seamless incidence remains the 2014 up direction of the 276 schoolgirls bifocal har. um, however, in the ronald west and central regions getting up and has become a business for me on monday, kit is displaced by conflicts with farmers. hop, 10 to bundle street, creates an networks carry out lots fuel run, some kid, nothing's in 2023 alone for about 3600 kids. nothing. square reports at nationwide . martin and national crisis. my judo has

a strong security force. so why is it so difficult to tackle this problem? even the political really there, then to challenge from the drift. detract elements. i know that those who a bit treat in the button to treat a group of really great individuals who are challenging disagreements, the use of force by the state. and they have their even without justify it or not. by trim between the full, the prices have escalated even near a. bu jeff entails like body who j. n. while while other residents live in fear with many leading to the city center is really careful a one time. ok. and also to each how you have your loved one told you, i'm going to be paid a price that you, i've never seen the life. why i sleepy the night. i don't know with our we see the

next big we are in fear. sometimes our businesses are not booming well because of the security challenges. hi pulled and unemployment rates pushed many young people into bundle. well, security forces locked the tools to come by them. yes, there is hope. in august 2020 full measure and put a use this month old and made just kidding up in ring c. as in west phones, phones and other tools on the score. in the course of use the cation of these criminals. the question remains, how can i to yeah, and this crisis well to, and the crisis security forces definitely need to deal with the perpetrators. but kidnappers, who are they, and why do they believe it's ok to snatch people from their homes or schools, or from the streets? we have an exclusive interview with one can nap or what else? and what do i need to go to can with adding math, i some people hold it as

a profession. initially they engage in 3 t as a form of the vin. i will go, yeah, i'm a know it as being turned into a profession, a select kind of a, do you the web talk to people whom they suspect of getting something from that's as island without it gives you initially, abduction was done by people who knew the victims and what they could get from them, but it has become widespread because many people migrate to them left the place. so they go in search of the free. sometimes they have the victims on the highway and as you go outside roses and they don't care whether those cups of money or not, where they are concerned, these run some must be paid to them as well as of course, the end of the name of the a lot less. so for i will buy car. this is just a business. but can you imagine what an abduction means for the victims? how do you get back on your feet after spending days, months year's income pivoted under circumstances. i don't even want to imagine on

the sad 10 year anniversary of the cheap book school abduction we had the chance to talk to one of the girls was taken by vocal her. i'm how i took part in our street debate in the bush with my colleague, edith came on the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent debate this week. we a back in may. julia's capital, a buddha, now 7500. that's the number of reported kidnapping cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a pressing the people who are going to be speaking to us to be trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it's a start right here with how well i know when we talk about kidnapping and they do a you might go back to the to book goes and you will actually one of them. it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you

that did that? yeah. in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes, they just got he was to d sunday. solve for 3 years. we spent 3 is 4 day on we, i just please. well, we have pause and we was to come back to see all our parents and is that up to us that we be missing them or this then we start skating on and we just say is we start quality and the he job, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released, would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question? yes, i'm to scan because as to call me to our place, he's the vocal honda. sometimes a confused stay at home safe because of the if i have one that goes to

to, despite what the government did, and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? you know, it's not you've, i'm to access to them for our seats that's do day for 10 is do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i think so with stuff i, you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by bulk of around they have some very incredible media tons ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup does what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice. then i saw someone uh, plan v. my did. so do out in black, lots uh, looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of them. the academy in 18. 47. so i have been with them for with uh,

15 days. uh, because uh, investigation is between life and date and the address that she left last council about 500000000. i said i don't have it. i don't know if my finally is. i mean, the 100000000 debt to equity says that the debt looks like money. ok, we dealt with no we, i assume you coming back to my fine, but i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course, the situation that we're talking about getting the julia is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was given up or knows a friend or a friend of a friend, you know named julian. ok. so you're saying no, ne julian has been unaffected. yeah, but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like the book of how rom it's very clear. they wanted to form a kind of freak. where does that disparity come from? when they decided to in the case of kidnappers, for us. so it just started lightly as a conflict between hy, this and promise,

which is normally during the harvest among the house on i'm on the for letting me know what the house and the philosophy for our audience. we're not familiar with major frame uh the for line. yeah, the height is and the house is a trifle that has been mixed up by religion. okay, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me they start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drug. but how does that then become kid? nothing. when it looked at became kid. nothing because of the lack of social justice as to the collection among a security person in the issues of managing the grades and months, they started selling grades a lunch to the promise. so how does have new identity is solution impulsion and so on us? okay, so just the, let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history. but i think we get the gist of it and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that 12 yesterday,

when we're talking about kids not being, you'd expect to find a put a uniform police officer here. we actually had one and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that it was a debate they chose not to participate. regardless of that, you still depend on the police officers, halima, and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what impact did that have on on you'll find me. it's tries so hard, those pause the video on the show media, how do a plug in them? my treating them in the bush of the shots and crying on the nest in the lead off. come up. i said he's given the government's us would. it's that you've the don't call to give them what the ones that they're going to slow to all of the. so how did you eventually get to use this to back, that mercedes by good news without being any run. so that's good. i don't know.

that is between them and the government. i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah. why people? so they're being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long? the bottom line is money. it's the money making venture. so for example, you this, that small undergraduate into a bigger groups and the more the got the victims, the more money to make 9 sure is a cash based economy. now, what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you could have a kid, napa, not a digital currency. yes. because no kidding about. want to take money by by wire, by bank transfer. anything because it'll be a trip to so long that this cash in the society. the issue of keeping up being is not going any. we soon let me hear a few more solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in order for this to become a problem of the past?

so that night julia is no longer dealing with this. i see your hand up to a stop paying them some complete to me because we are all on was we to missing a number of people that have been keyed in the country. so even to keep people tired, no money nor around. so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. ok. so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution can be found. if not, so how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the community. okay, do i see joshua's hands up? i think he wants to respond to this and lucifer. let me come to you 1st. he say, you know what, in order to ease a button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that. just as a product you people are taking money to this kid now for us, this kid now thing with not the end. and if any one or a victim in the handle by kid. now if us loved each life,

the government should come, i would buy confidence stating that family, at least actually lives with a minimum of uh, i please if i may live because we have money. uh okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you are leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish. joshua told me what he said. you say no to me. that also i'm going to give the family will it bring back the person that kills it can bring him back as want me to time. i was good enough, but i did. this is in the position that that will not come back. but i do monday they will give to my family, probably they'll be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person just industry to give the funding to the last one is the burden of the family didn't feel you. you came back to your family or you're not providing for your family, but it was the government continue to provide for the family that i believe your, you don't know what government is, do you? the best of that can be dealt with much and as to when he is go you. i do see

a new way to stop this kidnapping footboards lead the government in order with disabilities 6, that is not ready to do the work by step in this. i did not being remind you to let me, let me close this up with just show because we're hearing obviously some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another. final thoughts for you to say stop payment of run. so it is be on where it's because once your, your 5 though your mother or really to just kidnapped your sense of judgment is automatically impaired. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that run some payment is reduced. it cannot be stopped. so we asked what sounded like a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem of kids not being here? and i do have very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that myself would love to hear from you, but for now. thank you all for watching.

the thank you very much and it's for the defense has the big street debate a wave. although i have to say the picture painted is pretty grim. i still wonder whether the abduction prices in nigeria can be stopped. what solutions already out there? well, let's hear what our expert has the same doctor can be a demo, c o of beacon security and intelligence base. and nigeria. i'm aware that previously some govern those one of them. we've administer to d at the federal level, brought together all the articles in the you know, how to prove that the traditional religion deflecting community and difficult to dep monday, give them to condition the auto group that you've government for the fields. that condition, they will make sure no unit from among the community to join monday groups under the condition of one include the def, monthly and of all vigilante groups in northern nigeria. yes,

i think the 2nd condition, what the provision of fish are letting unity for the community. and as far as i'm concerned, if i'm not difficult the month, but my point is that the minds are noun, why the explanation has not been implemented. really because of the have sent the political will. so mister them will says that a lack of political will is why people in parts of nigeria are still living in constant fear. well, in kenya, where objections also take place, it is suspected that elected officials may be behind those crimes. i'm sure you remember the so called jen, the protests that took place a few months ago. well, some activists got abducted and their case shows why we need social movements both online and offline in order to protect people who are brave enough to criticize those in power of every yeah, hundreds of young canyons abducted or disappeared without a trace for the victims. there is no escape. i'm the way so you have to say that

you can go your best phone shot too many believe those tasks that we've protecting them are in fact the ones instigating latera as far as the fans and fans and friends for police official but many canyons have had enough of being bullied into submission. if so, wait until is free today. we believe that kenya and they will be can, you will be free one day and every other concert and not frequent in june, the gen z protest. sure. can you read score? police open file in peace with protest as getting over 50 people. bill eugene is video griffin, an active as was one of the phones land protest as he shows us. he's safe house where he saw the refuge during this time, opinion and dog. she had nestled between 2 apartment blocks for someone to come some good view of a, a in 5000, the 5th, the community. and that's a, that's why i consider these are the 5th. but eugene,

sense of safety was advised one night stealing from t of as he approached the safe house. when a white ca suddenly pulled up for masked men jumped out and forced him inside time coughed and blindfolded. he received no explanation why or why they were taking him . when the cost stopped, he was dropped into a quote room. oh, of the things that i need and then of, of to, to, to get of my clothes. from then they asked me, who's funding? and and, and, and, and what was that? but from that sending it to the street, eugene was forcibly disappeared. a secret imprisonment and torture. many i rested in public but never taken to a police station or a quarter flew on says like influenza shay tallies? abducted in unmatched cars as recorded here on cctv cameras. which $315.00 and forced to disappear. and so since 2019 it is becoming suspend logic. we suspect

it's a police operation. if we listen to the stories of people who in for some links of doing tendencies on the pretty get see is this dies they more desolate and us on the see. and this way, glad craft. so this guy there will be a civilian a petition challenged with these accusations. both the police and the director for public persecutions refused to comment. for on the van enforce disappearance is a deeply troubling trend of policy. with the end of end stating caea and tara on october 20 canyon, and celebrate much who john d, honoring those who fought for independence. well, bagley uses this occasion to remember the victims of police brutality. as the leader of the free canyon movement, he was fortunately disappeared in all of us and only released after the high court

select into the inspector general of these with imprisonment dogs. these kenya do cross roads. so the 2 options of you asked me right? a that we do a couple of initiative, which is that are for them, are we have a popular uprising which is that a pollution? it depends on the reaction of the state. if this debt is well come to open dialogue with the people. that is the solution of the ones as freakin. number 12, you didn't survived his imprisonment after being dumped and left on the side of the road. his dormant, as failed at breaking him together with the survivors. he's creating a documentary about and judge violence and touch of silence. i wonder what you have to to sign the sun faithful

sliver using plans to wait for the upcoming elections to vote for the change they desperately need. what can jen z? wait that long. those who allegedly adopted and touch at them, austin and paul, and have long since abandoned the rules that i don't know about to you. but to me, this sounds a bit depressing and it leaves citizens feeling helpless. but we've learned that raising awareness about abductions is an important action step, and this is not only the duty of active this but also of the media. so what do we need? a free and independent press and by the way, we have a lot of end up reports on the topic on our youtube channel. well, now travel to come a room where brave journalists are being abducted and blackmailed as a weapon to silence them. me come, a rooney and journalist and whistle blow, a pole tutor was kidnapped off to watching a football match at

a nearby cafe unknown men forced him into a call and beat him up, brutally. he says they wanted to kill him just some lives right up to the sea, follows that there was a motorcycle that took him just around the corner. that's when they left and drove off to home. and they were convinced that i was there just before that they told me they had a mission and told me to say my last breath. when you talk and say your last pray i, you know, that means he's because that's not true to it's still trying to find out who want to kill him. so far. no one has been arrested as evidence to, to documented and published pictures of his injuries. this was not the 1st time he was attacked, budget was the most brutal. he still carries both the physical and emotional scars . mr. moseley sees a trauma for life when i pass the display as i get flushed bucks of a time. why young ladies? even as guy here on the left side of my face, my eyes to,

to suffer from the post traumatic lakehoma. and apart from that is there is, there is also, uh, psychological trauma was ranked 100 and 30th out of 180 countries on the world press freedom index in 2020 full camera root is rated as one of the least 3 countries. full price worldwide investigative journalists like paul to tell, often suffer from repression by law enforcement. fellow journalist martinez, they'll go was tortured to death and shoot to himself spent a year behind bars. he already spent 20 full months bind boss for legit information . look at them and they did the same thing to me. have they need to martinez if you know how he died? you could imagine this that i was into when i was found, they took my quotes, i was negative, given much, each of these martinez has to eat his own faces. they took all of his cloth away. it is the same kind of thoughts i went through because i was just like these offices advised me bypassing the church. i continues to search for his attack. it's

he wants justice. meanwhile, government authorities insist that the country is safe for journalists, but recent events prove otherwise. so we're getting to the end of our show today, mid wasn't one of those uplifting and fun episodes. but indeed an important issue that we wanted to shed light on. and even though abductions, continue happening every day across africa, we have learned that a combination of solutions can help solve the crisis. political will security forces that are not corrupt, higher standards of living, a strong civil society and a free and independent press. i'd really like to know what your thoughts of our show today. so please drop us a comment on youtube. instagram or a tick tock. that's it from me and the whole team. thank you so much for watching. i'll leave you with a song that carries a very powerful message. monsters you made by burn a boy by n c a next time the the,

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