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any people have avoided talking about it for too long. just mentioning issue, oh yeah, we never even talked about it with our families the and tried to have a much my father was a lawyer because he didn't tell me until after 1945 that he was unhappy when he

found out that they were expecting a child that's been the looks of that hitler had just come to power but as well. and it said to india and the must come. that is my father could see that the country where he was born. this is london which he loved the place, it does of okay, it was last to jews of a few of them for them. and he certainly didn't want to start a family at that time. if i'm really indecent. certainly focus on what the

situation is. you can, if you say he switched one or 2 to his very religious parents were, of course, against him soon. he was their favorite son. and imagine how they felt that he didn't want to follow the path they'd seen for him instead of getting hurt is about my name with the interest. and so my mother agreed to convert to judaism. you just have to be sure and she did. and then they got married and say, and then okay, i doubt that the . ringback the . ringback the

situation i try to advocate scene to set my father made him see that it made no sense to run a business. during those times, truth sat down to submit a gauge and said, i could, you could tell his regular customers felt uncomfortable. going to a jewish store, even if he hadn't quality products. the mishap wasn't enough for him to keep going for school devoted to keep them hooked up this a buffet you mission, couldn't you couldn't log me up this way it's. it's a few of the nicholas, what do i have done to get a bundle with my grand mother then gave up her beautiful apartment, rosie. i still remember the big clock with such a nice chimes or shoes, lock up there. it's,

can children have all kinds of memories that you wouldn't imagine would last, but they do seem completely couldn't do this when it was just a normal middle class home and find cookbook. and he gets home even with him. but this is the 1st day and then come that page. and then my mother gave in to the gestapo as pressure to magic this minute we'll talk to some folks to get supplement though. so i can come to see my father told me they could stop or brought her in a few times to let her know that if she stayed with a jew, she would suffer the same fate. as she did say that found to be a perfect could be different from what was planned for the jews. says it's a $350.00 looking forward to the scene to see if she shoot me. she she did so much for me. let me try it on gabrielle. she made learning religion fun. i see one message and also took me on

little trips and excursions for income and type of with me. she was an excellent substitute, might actually be on to them as a supervisor. i as, as i finished, i'd have what i can do with us. let's see what i noticed. we should lead the. she was a real lady at the moment, said back then she always wore a narrow black velvet ribbon around her neck small as some front here on that hard skip that i just left she was even wearing at the last time i saw her, the domain it says that it just says this, the children from the entire neighborhood used to play in the big front yard of an apartment building across the street. girlfriend, i'm in the front defense, isn't that guns and gigs eaten us with tug? she helped it's a visa event. he's thinking back and see the need,

but i don't think they even knew i was jewish, or at least it wasn't mentioned that since gordon is too much to see it with it, as well as on the desktop to there was a really big, heavy gauge. but also we had a student open and i thought it was stuck, just going to open it up. good luck gets off. this is, it would be, it came through it of us as but the caretaker, who i knew then came up to the gate or the check. you come thomas of, of, of, of the store to the sector. she said, you know, go home. our children are not allowed to play with a jewish child. to a 6 though he couldn't have been having it. i saw all my friends hanging on the bars of the fence looking at me and be so cool. finally, hope gets us be hanging so and then i thought they wanted to play some kind of game with me. few more then they went away the st. undertaken. and then when i realized that i was alone, i started crying hysterically and then on the phone and went home. so the key to

the kick, i mean, my nichols, my grand mother didn't see it and didn't know why i was back the over the most to see me a chance to explain it to me and the others. and that's the 1st time i heard the word this would you, i didn't know what it meant for me so that this can be kind of always helped to move forward is just, i guess i thought that everyone was the same, the sort and that there are no differences, that's uh, this estimate, this is, that was the 1st time i realized we were different. and we're seeing differently than the people around me read. you mentioned them in my son's thick glass. does some of himself at that side once get psyched time. in fact of what to do, my father was disbarred as an attorney and became what they called a console and to see could only defend jewish people. i should mention to naturally it was just a charade of joke. initial jewish people no longer had any rights. you didn't

mention huffman thomas, from kinder to shoot me a the, to the nazi era. when the nuremberg laws gave the nazis free reign to terrorized use for them or to hassle them into or for the gestapo to torture jews in the anyone who was summoned to the gestapo didn't know if they would come out alive. pollutants who claimed unit in the 4th and i don't have didn't because because stuff of equipment was to me still believe them to be that i was come. there comes the in the, in the they always came in the early morning. markham still when it was still dark and rang the doorbell loudly. i'm sure i'm delighted if it's of some of the 1st time we were very scared, it was the men short of it. so the next time we knew who it was, seems seem to grow, always came in their leather coats and their military hats. i guess to picture it, exactly. do you see it happen to see snow hard? this is kent, this is, vicky should have is, is it, you know, as a special ed,

this is done so, but it's with us as an inside pickup. what was it then they came and took the men and the families in front median up the whole tub. sometimes just for interrogation is not so hard, so sometimes to send them to the home because the name the hell was already known among jews because they knew what happened there. we did mention it on the in fulton county. and my once they came during the day and kept ringing the doorbell though it's, i can't say if my father knew or just had a feeling. so you have to have the ski boost as well as the company's needs. we will turn them our apartment had to x x here. he went out the back as they were coming in the front and because he did, he didn't say anything, but we'll be just vanished. and so quickly session and for sure that the issue with hope is when i asked him later where he went on, he said he was in the caretaker's apartment and so and they didn't know they were very nice people. i'm right. but the gestapo came in and my grandmother told him,

he wasn't there. he roy, me do. so if this was an issue was a nice middle class apartment with lots of rooms, i would say search them all and saw me standing there on time. they asked me where my father was saying 5 days before i knew, but i didn't say a word and then he's gone. excuse me. he was when i didn't answer one, slaughtered me twice across the face and asked me again a gets that i guess that sounds good. so i still would then further i cried because it really hurt. somebody must have realized he wouldn't get anything out of me that because i me on phone with us and then they left because of the runners with them. and everyone was very worried until i come down again. i was just a child. i'm just saying we say a good, we never forget that terrible pain like in the b as in terms of i said one day we were walking on the test easy and visa,

nice day. we had lots of people around, looks on hatred, says green car, suddenly just stopped in the middle of the road. exec meeting and meeting the from the store. strasser to man and leather coats got out and demanded id from the people who were walking. the took it up to come and sit on the d moment. i felt a hand pulling me away and putting my hand on a stroller of you say, hunter from kingdom a convict. a horrible situation. this is any 1st. what is it to it? so what if anything was done? i looked at my father who signaled that i shouldn't look at him with so to 15, if you still reach me stuff you consume, 3 of the men were writing something down. i know for this i'm gonna show time, but i'm going to skip says that it's been done 10 a married couple letting me away. switch the immediately asked where i lived on it . and they told me to run home quickly and explain what it happened,

of lotion and the 1st and 2nd, let's proceed having vicky and seeing i saw them take them away on line to get done prevention so perfectly. and i really didn't think i would see him again. angry sylvie to see by truth, because i knew what was happening to ship to. he denied her too much with at least had experienced too much of what people said that sidney had to leave. our family was affected by these things to the old on the other families suffered similar fates of videos getting them. no jewish family was spared really comes to mind, felt them, it's good them. they took my father to edit asa, to the police department in the, in the extra us able to this will have this done while again, the police had helped quite to refund. and another set of the it is at this most it's cookie, later, tells me what happened the have a feeling he met a lot of well known men, they're only men

a minute. and when it was my father's turn, he said his name is exclude 9 on dramatic, his ex, secret and 11th and showed the on the man sitting in the middle, looked at him and told him to step out of the line. so the employees thought that was going to be his death sentences. he didn't know why he was supposed to step aside. and so, i mean, i'm the none of the others had to know how to accept my, the man said norland, can you don't recognize me that my father really hadn't recognized him and the man said, and i'll tell you why you should recognize me. so i don't see what you're interested in, so i see how much i'm writing and i'm getting how you once represented me in a legal matter. and as he should write news, i said when i didn't have the money to pay my bill, you told me and i me so. okay. and then pay it when you can to see to make you sucked of teeth and silences means he couldn't. and now i can repay you,

it's kind of go home to the house. things like that also happened. that's. that's okay to the camera. not didn't. that's an investment. then came the 9th of november 1938. so it means my father had been warned to get his family out of the house is something was being planned against the jews this other than a 2 foot michael didn't hesitate,

declared wanted to take my grandfather with us. it's this is fair to go see, but she wouldn't leave because it would attract attention. she stayed at home, it was november and cold. i still remember her putting my cap on me and tying my scarf. let me see what the 2nd floor and he wanted to warn his friend counselor, which it so we crossed the valley and saw the broken windows in the roof and in a department store it gives a new phone cove. there were a lot of jewish businesses back then she could shift. some people were looting things, but some were standing and watching the scene of a we didn't stop. i think we just kept on walking until we reached the area around sampling. i tore square. oh then where counsellor would show lift gate and from the same thing the top let's to bonded it does it does come we i'm sure before we

even reached his house, we saw a green police car, and grandpa rode shields came out just as we arrived. he wasn't my real grandpa shoot, so he's me but i always called him back because he had so much white hair and i had lost my own grandfather feed eventually hot out on the come of those. usually if he came out or was dragged out by the arms by 2 men, so little the, both of them and getting them. um, we, they know they had a bandage here on his forehead, and it was soaked with blood as little as a signature about the applicants. it had been scuse, and he saw us before and immediately looked away. it worked nice presents kentucky didn't want the man to see that we knew him saying, i'm not intending and they shoved him into the car and kicked him in disposal notices me. sure. do you have them in susan lock. you who i've had the

news of that was the last we ever saw of him. as my father said, we had to get out of there quickly. perhaps you relief as i gets most dis, obviously. so i watched him thinking about what to do next. and then he said we were going to doubting where a good friend of his left helps last name is only that he didn't want to take the main road. but because he loved nature, he knew his way through the country some day an inch leaped and we walked all the way from the city center to gouging to the castle. months for months, a married couple and an airport. when we arrived, my father told them what had happened to him 1st because she knew mister casselman said without hesitation, you'll stay the night with us except it's and that was that. on this one of them. oh, the far next to the next day we went back doing this way. everything was back to normal to normalize the

estate duplicate ceilings. so the 1st deportation trains of the people were taken out of the trains and led straight to the pits and all shot. all of them a this a of a b, but the ones who did it, the police or whoever. they told their families. what happened? do you have this in for median? make the pen because apparently let's see it. they didn't like seeing small

children. i'm trying to, toddlers is eating, the youngest was half a year old, and so was sore on the train. 19 to 2 weeks to go were simply shot incidents. but with this, with the info shows the dc they put the to own in the home, the biggest stapo didn't organize the deportations themselves. and then for us it's as you did you get minded, there was no jewish community anymore. just an office back of the house and they appointed a jewish representative. disney focus, mr. cole check. oh, never forget him. i forget your name, but i can't forget his name. i mean, counties me for case they should, i can see him. i knew him. and he had to fill out the list with people's

acquaintances from although he knew it was a death list. or this one did is the let's. those were the last minutes with my grand mother used to. it was it's, i can still see her. this is horrible. official of mine for, for because he told my father there was a children's and adults and a seniors transport. and he had to put someone on a list of the and most of the lease visits and decided not to spend money. my grand mother volunteered, of course to suspend and he can touch base. at some point, she said good bye to me and told me she was going to a spa and would be back for the damage. this was the word spa sounded dreadful to me ever since. cut this photo sort of so fresh, but you're by sobbed. and so did she just couldn't. you can't imagine

that the end of my childhood, the impact of afresh, further on my father had become terrified. seemed is because it had come so close to his family. gotten so close to his family that he was looking for way to get me away from it. all of a sudden consent to infinity and these trees with a v, as he didn't know how, but he just didn't want either image the a courtesy later said that if anything had happened he would have sacrificed himself on the sea called my uncle's former, made in

a village near nuremberg, new and back to uh, someone from the little village post office had to go to her home and tell her that a mister norland wanted to speak to her because he got his happiness hard to imagine today, in these days of modern technology and decent left, obviously. so when college of the 4th of november, the 6th to so 1st it would be hard to get to it should be a decision that she didn't know why she was being summoned and that with what she knew the name during lunch. you must us and had no lunch. and then she asked if she could take me in for a while, cuz typically on the and i'd like to set up submission if you're in a good side of name of it, that brother is having fun of the very sick. and so we took a trip that we didn't wear the yellow stars to get so my father told me to sit in one carriage and he would sit in the other day to start the story. and that

i should look out of the window at every station or given me so you might by eat a bite, eat i just stated some to instead of ocean of energy. and if i saw the s s getting on the train, get comfortable with the speed i was to get off immediately use and wait for him at the station stating when he found hope of you in about how much weight like you fact, i asked him later of what he'd been thinking of, of dish. well, i was supposed to wait for him in the station at the beach, me to get to the s s, had come and those me if they had taken him yet, what would have happened to me at the exec decides? he said he didn't know either. this is easy to say, but people went through a lot of. it's kind of it by home, but the train wasn't being watched. we arrived in nuremberg unlocked for 2 and a half hours to the little village on ending ending jane in the left. this one special, there were 2 sisters,

one of whom was my savior. and an 80 year old father via the the sons were fighting in the war, but the real greek and my brothers and my father kept pacing back and forth in the room. and i still see him back and forth, back and forth. i'm son. come to take on done homes and then they came back and said they had decided to take me in for a while to name and i live in the sky phone. so, but if we couldn't find a legal way, i would have to leave the movie. i wouldn't be allowed to stay with the tree, to tutor with a young boy and as a thing consideration, which means that these is is said, if i can't describe my feelings, when i said good bye to my father cut managed to come, but i thought i would never see him again. ready to be off, luggage to attempt assistance. let's divide that so you can see think was the

terrible feeling of a quote go to these, but it was good that this woman, her name was n z throat, said cvc. she was extremely pious, but she was very, very religious, says, okay, i'll be sure to ask him. and jeff, to the village. women saw me of course and said she had brought her bastard to live with her. that's what they called. and so legitimate child it's, that's the bunk. that's good. but that's why i'm not totally sure it was through fear and also aly hits. could she wasn't married. she'd never had a husband give up and they said it to her face. so excuse me. she gets on that it does have too much weight to accept. this is this kind of what she felt that had come from god above on her. so she knew she could take it. this is what

she said. yes, she told everyone and they threw the word bastard in her face. all of those years, the bunk of them didn't cook. that's how people are choosing mentions of them. what's the issue? so that's phone food. i had to go to the villages rationing officer and i can still see the swastika he had on his green uniform, grew the older phone. and then he had an office in that so and he got up to meet us as we were walking in fitness for us soon. so you must have seen us from the window to get seen. uh huh. he said, oh, so you brought your bastard as a good deal at the bunk that he didn't want to know anything about me leaving somebody coughing about because he was just responsible for issuing ration cards and the matter was settled and so forth. and so that that was legal each while because the

destruction of tillage delayed no telling the village priest everything helped less than her burden. the city modest. that's it. but when i think back village the he did a lot to hell to let me look at the a to, to thank you, had to see if he could list it. he had to take me into the church here on the putting in india arranged everything. so nobody noticed it on this. i don't youth of a soul. this k not give me a to new issues and tuck, but i had to go to the church early every morning and stuff until an s s battalion occupied the village from the for the for the enemy is spot the young. they were retreat, reading from the americans from overlooks to clouds,

and then i make an already here the shots, and a tillery fire, and the distance or the template from from the fan to get a does. monday, the sunday the priest was afraid because he didn't know how long they were going to stay, and she loved the common and nobody knew what was happening on a piece for how long they would stay. for when the americans would come on come the, i'm not gonna the common when i went into the shelter, forced laborers from poland were already in there, frozen and main women and men. the women were crying. they were so scared and scope to steve. these family s s left pieces and the americans liberated the village. the i'm, i kind of have those stuff be fred on. so they went up the hill and sat on their tanks and threw gum to the children even to just like you see in the movies. of the

pump, so in case there's something i'm thinking, the kogan would so he will just come up as events. it's hard to imagine them as well. so, and then the war was over the degrees of the pine, shopping leap in my heart. i had already buried my father. i had known about all the horrors when i was still with him. as he spoke with the into something that was convinced that i didn't have any one left. it's about the phone, but soaked the associate's name on the main shop and i'm not sure, but my father came some months later get up in the house that we're going to take.

and he'd been in the hospital and wasn't in any condition or anything, but not for anything. it's going to be a, everything had been destroyed. no news, no post office dot com, then there was nothing left. i just got out of a vague and with and made and i was driving a wagon with a double team of cows when he showed up shipping out from block. they don't move very fast, getting any socially, you know, then i heard a car coming up behind me and here's doesn't alter. he did me come to the link to the left cow hated cars the you have to and she had to act out those. but it's on the hudson, i didn't temple is because that is the most up. as i got down off the wagon stood in front of her and hugged her so she wouldn't see the cars out at least the bottom and then sees it past us. i see. mm hm. and then stopped about 2030 meters in front of me. they were good on this for god's sake. now i have to drive past that car

with his crazy cow the what she hated cars of it. do you hard to, she would have hated this modern world as a because anyway, as i got closer someone got out of my mind and it was my father or that is my goodness. it was, you can't imagine the ship that you had friends there on the farm. all the animals were my friends, this one, many, they knew my secrets, everything. and then they listened to even for some reason was at least i pretended they did. on the 4th, which is likely for me, i didn't want to leave my friends. is this what was the worst thing i could imagine? but she said i had to do forced it and couldn't think most of this over to you shortly. i didn't want to go back to munich and just me thing. i didn't want to be with a people who had ostracized us, so insulted us like which is about of us who hated us. feelings get has some.

and i knew they were still there. seen this week and that was right. fishing 21 a little. even the caretaker. they were all there was only one. so and everyone was so friendly and so nice and so kind to be happy and gauge once and thanking god we were back. unhealthy. you those as gummy flushing as you would have believed it. come as this is vicky surely if you hadn't known what humans were like before you did that. i mentioned to people as they really are to mention the discharge. many is that was my 1st question. where's grandma own to another man and he told me that she hadn't thrive to believe that for

the shift in monday i met my future husband. i was very young and he wasn't interested in me, but i only had eyes for him for the even of when i was older, we began dating it made it eventually we got married and that goes with it than any the

china did them as no one who stayed wanted to stay either every couple, every person who did stay had their own reasons. somebody said this and i loved my children and wanted the best for them to make so we stayed 50 just based on to susie, my, you please the associates, understand human and you know you're a young person and you have such anger of the physics and it gets transferred to various people, research like people who will fit she, it manifests itself and the people you meet when you live in the country that did that. this what i see is that was very difficult. a very,

very difficult you didn't mention tv, the jewish people who resettle did not resettle in germany these but in the land of the murderers loved physically to this was the land of the murders gives. he looked at his way of the jews lived in a kind of self inflicted ghetto. as d d i'm. there was an unseen bond between us, at least that the um, the other mill that we were connected on this one, the fish. but we have on me that we were on the one side the victims. and is this what i decided to do? and the murders on the other so too, but, and decided that the not see ships get touched. you had to lie to yourself beat. and as you pretended to

be a person who had never actually existed, as most of the, most of what you had to live with it. and that's was you tried to find people who had nothing to do with it. with the discovery is, if god police people did exist and they did a great deal, if you see if he could list it, you tried to find people for whatever reason who had not supported the national socialist system. 3 of us, the pieces are these, they were your support, this is the student is going to get that. they were there is warranty, and he might have to, it's got, it's got, they were simply afraid. it's got c as in this as soon as i can remember it very well, so cunningly. say i clicked on it. some of them were even in official positions on a neighborhood. no, it was. but we knew that every sitting judge there had a colored past since my father knew it to the

nature of instruction. so nobody talked about it. and it's neither amongst the victims, nor amongst the culprits that either nobody spoke about it with the next generation . he said he couldn't get another 2 shots each. i knew a long time, many years until my children were much older occlusal than we lived amongst ourselves. study it to be isolated from the rest of the world until excuse me, my older children were never allowed to bring school friends home. and sure, surely for the short lives in the house repeating and of the younger ones did not do you had a a that was progress that's that's,

that's what i needed to to the shooting me on. this is it's many years later. and perhaps 20 years ago, hadn't i got a call from a man? so this i'm so and so, and if you have time, i'd like to talk to you about your past and i'll give a different kind of case of page those. i agreed. then we met the live on that when i arrived he had a pile of pictures. he taken in a camp over the years, but he didn't say what they were before. he says he introduced himself and told me he had been the head of a new that's holsten deportation campus loc as well where people had had to stay for a few days before their deportation. the pup, i'll give you the tab station to westborough has he and why do you need me

successful? the answer, he told me he wanted me to know that he felt very guilty. obviously i showed you that 1st he had been enthusiastic and did what he was told, but he had felt guilty, unexpressed, his remorse. my name's all he wanted to tell me personally, that he couldn't undo his crimes. and he gave me the big stack of photos that he had taken over the years at the camp and seeing that a supervisor. and that was it on the that's with the she, i mean it really affected me by i made it because i knew my grand mother had been there. it was part of her, the life she then had to live there, leading to sit. thank you. and what's the about this, the, it was the star test to begin. this is this camp in mid that's whole from the way the jews were put into the train cars. you wouldn't think these buckles as it gets

you to the ground. it's any, any we now need political education starting in kindergarten over here as i think it's very important to give young people political education. but then you know that they grow up together as i've supported should be don't keep us as our kindergartens and elementary and high schools have both jewish and non jewish children of good, i'm sure you've not assume will be a huge it should be all from the strategic, you know, it's so important that the children grow up together. that's the kingdom and that both sides see that the other is no different from themselves. this the, under the gun even does it says $16.00 desktop dead. another one with the ton of

remembrance has already been passed on to you. do this all the time of eye witnesses who can still testify to what they experience. what people experienced will soon be over in the good side for by. yes, you are the ones with the duty and the task of maintaining these memories, the and you can, this is not only that you commemorate, but the people know that that's one good thing that young people know what people can do to other people. or let's mention mentioned i'm talking and you can only do that by remembering the, by commemorating the, by putting the facts on the table on to that. and the next generation of the non jewish population is very important in maintaining this collaboration and remembrance together. and by that's a field that's helped me with the least less not to recount what happened was, but just to guarantee that it doesn't happen again. that is very, very important to me. this is my assignment to all of you that i've gotten. it will show you the,

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