to imagine the impact you and your friends can have together, we can end global hunger. please download the app. hello everybody. welcome back to a special edition of do the news live from berlin tonight. we're bringing you coverage of the u. s. selections with early results coming in, but still far from a clear winner. and i feel like calm, low. so you don't allow the w just for the country to bring people together. i've never seen this many people of all different races f. this is vanessa. these countries backgrounds here representing the people, regardless of how you feel about as rhetoric, the policies are outlined. we are much better off before. i can't believe that the populations united states is 5050 on this subject the

. however one with a very exciting night ahead. i'm clare richardson in berlin, a very warm welcome to our special coverage of the us presidential elections. now you are one of the millions of people around the world. we're watching these results start to trickle in as united states, as at the precipice of deciding to go in one of 2 very different directions will be elect vice president, cala harris or former president. and donald trump. to become the 47th president of the united states. well, polls are now closed in all 7 battleground states of georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania, michigan, arizona, wisconsin, and nevada. bo counting is under way and here to bring you the very latest. i'm delighted we have a fabulous panel to break it all down with a view from europe. a warm welcome to you. all right, let's do

a quick round of introductions for those of you are just joining us. i have my co anchor pablo fully in the us here with me. he's going to be bringing you some results from states as they come into problems. really bright and shiny, the find and 3, i'm feeling very good. how to coffee? i'm feeling pumped. all right, good. to go, we also have michelle stockman, r d, w reporters, here with some analysis. michelle. hi. hi. i am pumped up as well caffeinated with a coke 0. okay. yeah. gonna have to last for a long night by the looks of things so far. yeah. i'm also very pleased to have gone to show a director of europe at the razor group. i'm senior fellow at the center for european policy analysis. thank you so much for joining us today with this. i think we always pumped up by democracy. all right, so a lot to break down. um it is just past 11 pm on the east coast and united states. that's 5 in the morning here in berlin. pablo. maybe we can start with you, which is a quick update on where things stand, right? so as everyone knows, 270 is that number of the car electro college folks that we're looking for right

now. we're at $179.00 for harris. and 214 for donald trump were keeping a very, very close eye on those states that you mentioned. of course georgia at north carolina, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. and of course then the other side of the country in nevada and arizona. so right now we just actually got a uh, california, it was uh, just called by a p there. that's obviously one of the big ones, the way things are worked. it gone. it's gone, of course. no. the democrats, the, you know, they all could, they're just in case they want to get it, give everyone a heart attack. and so basically what we're seeing so far is that the states that tend to sway towards tend to be republican, are saying republican, those that are at democrats are sticking democrats. so no shock yet. okay. um, but of course were keeping a very close eye on particular of, in georgia in north carolina there to, to, to, on keeping an on at the moment. and yeah, update on either the update, actually,

claire, no, i do want to stress that this hasn't been the state hasn't been called this is the state of georgia, but georgia, secretary of state at broad reference burger. and he is also a republican. i must add and it has basically said that it looks like as the republicans are going to take this. so it will be donald trump and george and but it had, the state hasn't been called yet. so we need to wait and see before it's actually like, and i think it's interesting to bring up that piece republican because this is a person who may not necessarily be a friend of donald trump. he was involved in the last election as a secretary of state of georgia. he oversaw the vote in 2020 and he was pressured by trump to come up with extra votes and come up with 11000 votes. so that trumpet pull ahead in that state. but he stood his ground and he on phone calls with president. trump basically said you're wrong and what you're telling me that that people have voted that illegal immigrants have voted your date as wrong,

mister president. so he has gone out of his way to be someone who is known for his integrity when it comes to overseen election. we so it tells you what kind of climate we're living in. in this moment of pablo, do i understand? we have some results coming in just now since we spoke a minute or so. i wanted to mention one very important thing about george as well. the law when binding wanted in 2021 by just 11000 votes. i'm going and some of the counties there are, i mean it's incredibly tight in the state of georgia. so i think we really need to be very careful before we actually jump to any conclusion, sir, that's what i just want to stress. good. important to have that word of caution there. let's come to you for the view from europe just to set the scene for those of us who are those we're watching. i'm curious how this election is viewed in germany. what is the view from berlin on what is happening right now with these 2 candidates? yeah, i mean, this is, this is something that i said earlier. i think there's an intuitive understanding here that this is a massively important collection for the germans and for the europeans. partly

because of the security relationship that the recipients have of, with the united states. you know, how reliable is that american security going to guarantee that article 5 need to a context? you know, if from came to office, there is great, see here and for good reason, because the europeans rely end on those us services still to a large degree. so that's something that's lingering. there is a trade elements. so when the comics element, you know, trump has threatened to essentially a trade war with the europeans across the board hasn't been very specific. europeans happen, you know, quite busy preparing for that kind of, you know, you know, expected on slot. and that is something that could go to the grain of what you know, makes this country's economy strong, ste trade export. you know, that's what this country lives off. so very intuitive understanding on that rational level, but then there's also the emotional level, you know, people just overwhelming be disliked donald trump, not just as a politician, but as a person, you know, and, and to see america's democracy produce that kind of candidate for a lot of people here as in graspable, they don't understand it and, and so it, it,

it plays out on many, many levels, but the sense of importance is overwhelming here. yeah, it's hard to overestimate how much the rest of the world looks at these elections in the united states. michelle, did you wanna add an airy of 300000000 people? i still again look at the stranger than fiction, facts of the selection, and to think out of that population, the candidate for the republican party that ended up going to the top is a twice and pete's convicted felon reality star. and it says a lot about the culture of america right now, and i think that's just really fascinating. the other thing i wanted to share is, you know, i was just in the us last week and behind me on the plane was a bus driver from new jersey. and he said, the reason why he's back in trump is because he believes trump is a strong man. and he doesn't think that other world leaders will respect. come with harrison young. i'm wondering, you know, does sexism play any part in his appeal to american motors or oh,

her how world leaders would react to her? that is a really interesting question. yeah. and i mean groups, world leaders. i mean, it's not like we haven't seen, you know, a massively important women on the world stage. i think there's no, you know, kind of your bias against the woman you know, leading us or, you know, what i, as the angela merkel and in germany, i think it really is based on the performance. can that kind of person be strong and the negotiating room, you know, kind of, she, in that situation where she actually meets with these people at the highest level and where it's no where there's no for the room to escalate to somebody else. can she prevail, that this is the real test? we haven't, of course, seen her and that kind of context, you know, where she is in that sense, you know, a less predictable candidate, you know, and, and as a vice president, i mean, to be honest, she has been largely sidelined by dividing people for many years so we don't really know how she would perform at this level. we have seen her in practice settings like she would, she serve to trump, them at the back. she has been in the senate hearings where she's really real people. so once you have practice the same, she can do that the, the big question is, you know, i mean when, when you were

a senator and you and you are growing somebody, you know that as an intellectual, that, you know about exercise when you're in the negotiating room, it's the full penalty of psychology planning on can you bring that american strings to bath? you know, can you prevail? can you also actually muscle yourself into a position, you know, where, you know people then you will. and then i mean, this is the kind of situation i think she is on tested in and, but then there is the bias. then there is to sexism from past play. that quite clearly is it's, it's very obvious. and then i don't know the numbers, but i think there is a sizable chunk of the us population that also cannot really imagine a woman in the driver's seat. so um, you know, i wonder, you know, how much of a factor that is. yeah, these are all really interesting questions. i do have to come back to pablo for a moment because i understand there's something. no, it's just more into them. i want to jump in because we haven't actually mentioned, of course, that were broadcasting as well on youtube. and we have our viewers watching. and they've been asking questions and they've been one of the questions actually that i wanted to put to the table on this topic. of sexism and women's rights in general

and is from one of our if you were to ask, what would trumps when if you were to and of course mean for women's rights in the united states, like trumps when i mean for women what, what would trumps win so what would an item state in the united specials you want to take that one? well, i mean, he said i'll protect women, whether they like it or not, who knows what that means. it sounds like language that doesn't make me feel comfortable whether i like it or not. and the issue that's really come up in the campaign is reproductive rights. and so trump is responsible for appointing 3 supreme court judges that were behind rescinding roe v wade, which was the federal right to abortion in 2022. and since then, 24 states have passed either full or partial abortion bands, and that has meant complications become a hard caught kind of harrison's called at the health care crisis for women who perhaps are having pregnancy issues and,

and kind of get that solved. so trump has said he would not back a national abortion band. however, he has basically slammed what's happened in the states that are passing is abortion bands as bathroom politically. so again, it's self interest. yeah. and the abortion has been such a major topic in the harris campaign or you. so we've opened plenty of boxes here. i do want to come back to the issue of abortion also, especially to us foreign policy about 1st let's look at the view from washington dc . we have our correspondence, there are bureau chief n as paul standing by in the nation's capital with the very latest for us. you know, what's the move there? what can you tell us about what's been happening so clear? i'm sending right next to howard university campus. this is coming to harris was suppose to good for a victory speech, or also her concessions concession speech. and i was in bed and the newest broke that georgia might be lost and people are really breaking into tiers. they just

can't believe that a man who is so openly races and massage, and this might when the selection, you know, and we have to know that this is a historical, a historically black university. this is the, i'm a mazda of, uh, coming to hers. this is where she went to school herself, and this is a university which was founded right after the civil war for black people who weren't allowed to go to other colleges and universities. so of course it plays a specific role that come with a hair is, is a black woman. so people are devastated. i mean, i mean, you can maybe see that many are all ready leaving, leaving even so it's far too early to call. uh the election is probably just pointed out, but you probably see the more than the faces people here could have never thought that it's possible that we might even know during this night that donald trump is the next president of the united states. i mean, it really is too soon to say,

you know, is that the impression you're getting from voters that there's a sense of resign meant that people who are democratic supporters they're out to see, come on harris on this election evening or upset about the way things are going oh absolutely, um, it's too early to to call of course we have been saying that and this may, maybe we don't have any results here tonight, but the important counties in georgia went to donald trump, but they didn't even, at least at the moment, looked as if he even is ahead in the popular vote that some something many, many democrats, many people here in boston, washington and especially many students at howard university just didn't want to believe and kind of reality is literally coming into their life. no. you know, thank you so much for that update. we will be coming back to you again. i'm sure uh, throughout the day. really appreciate your reporting there. i do also want to get

some more insights from on the ground. we have another correspondence for us in florida. our tape international editor, richard walker, has been there in miami dade county, if i'm not mistaken, richard, what's going on there? that's right. that yeah, the oh, having such a good time that the line hasn't dropped so we'll we'll try to get that back up and come over to him. pablo, what do you think of on what a enestus thing with regards to the vote there in george, i'm just keeping an eye on the numbers at the moments now. according to a 88 percent of the votes have been counted in georgia right now. there's a rand at trump has around 2485000 of those votes. and kind of harris is about 2340000. and i'm keeping an eye in a couple of the big time to use because at predict the fulton county, which is where atlanta is at. that's normally a big, strong democratic, strong hold in there in,

in the state of georgia. right now. it's still looking like comma harris's, she's got 71.8 percent of the votes of still at, you know, very much of democratic county. but there's a couple of countries which are essentially the suburbs of atlanta which at the voting is continuing. it's a bit tighter there, but it is leaning more blue as in for the democrats. so i think once again, i want to stress with georgia, we really need to wait and see what happens down there because not, let's not forget to have tried. it was in 2020. yeah, absolutely. now i understand our line it to richard walker is back up again. we can talk about florida where we do know what's happened. florida has gone for trump. not really a surprise. what's the atmosphere like richard? yeah, it's not a surprise plan, but it did go pretty early from the state of florida with c w, as in many people here expected that would be t is here in little havana. so we're at bass. i a cuban restaurant, which is one of the sort of

a pod effect cuban hotlines here in southern florida. and yeah, that'd be lots of reasons which seems to rise at night as normal to come to external trumpets this creeping sites with people on that phones looking at those websites which have these kind of needles of pointing to the likelihood of one rather candidate winning and those needles looking more most favorable to donald trump. so that is definitely the boss here tonight. and i've been talking to a lot of people here tonight. and it is quite interesting that, you know, you really feel kind of conservative america with this cuban twist to go see it. but, but really in the ascendancy the big trucks going costs, hooking down horns and flying flags, you know, discounts you strikes with the trump flags as well. but those are 2 of the people here use. you do get a sense of the the fact that the republican party remains a coalition is very much in from sense, very much mega is in control. but under that kind of umbrella, you do have

a range. so you have some people, there was one guy who was born in cuba came here as a child. he runs a business here and he said to me, he says that donald trump, you know, needs to run america like a business, and thank you. 5 people. if they go do a good job for you for you. so, so really saying that you need trump aggression is positive to be part of a success. and they want to sell the kind of tough love for the nation. where is others who are being 2 or 3 years a, you know, they would like him to tell him that down a bit. they would like to see a 2nd from the time being something which is a little bit more open to other points of view. and people choking up katie vance is a, somebody who they felt was such a good communicator to use somebody who could perhaps kind of shape the message as the communication around this is movement that donald trump, the gun, and the republican party and for the future. so those are some of the discussions going on, you know, around the crowds here. but overall there's

a sense of excitement. there's a lot of noise and there's more remote cigar smoke in the us. uh, yeah. reading. oh so much the gar smells that i have clouded hard transmission once more. okay, well i, i would like to pick up on something that richard was hinting out there, which was the economy, right? it's only, it's important in every us election, the perception of how it's doing in this case. how do you think that has played in into this election cycle? michelle? i mean that's good. that would be a huge question for me and exit polls. what was your p issue and most americans going into this side, it was the economy. and a lot of people still feel a sticker shock from when inflation really spiked during the pandemic. and after when it hits highest point in 2022. my favorite example is diet coke. okay, back in 2018 pre pandemic. you could get a 12 pack a di code for around $3.00 to $4.00, depending on where you shop prices peak around 2022. that price went up to

$10.00 for a 12 pack up that cook a while. so the sticker shock, but i see the yeah, pablo, how does the rest jump in? because uh, i just wanna, i just saw a note about, uh, a p appears to have called at the state of north carolina for, for donald trump. so at the moment we're seeing this is nor i just come in right now actually on the, we're just keeping an eye on their election results. and what they're saying is that it's gone to donald trump with 50.8 percent of the vote. 48 point one percent to comma hires. he got 2570000 votes. they're at $22.00, and that's what 89 percent are. the votes counted so far at board. so that's a p who are saying that north carolina is a, has gone to donald trump, north carolina, of course, one of those key swing states that was really honestly on his face. it interesting lead and that it tends to go republican, it has actually been essentially

a republican state, but there the but the republican as happy losing a quite a margin there over the past at particular 20 years or so. in fact, they've only really being winning by 2 percent. so that would actually essentially be sticking to what we've been seeing in north carolina. okay, best for this point. well that would be very good news for the trump campaign. indeed, to hear that results coming under the georgia still not declared. wow. let's, let's turn back to something that we brought up right at the beginning of the show . but i think is one of the key issues that, that this panel especially can speak particularly well to which is the kind of foreign policy that we might see from a couple of harris administration or a donald trump administration at young when you, when you look at what they have made public about their plans. what are the things that stand out to you that would most effect transatlantic relations? yeah, i mean, 1st of all, i think it's important to say that come out of her as has been

a lot less pronounced on foreign policy plans. she basically told us, you know, and, and in many ways that, that would be a lot of, you know, continuity from the, by the ministration. we know very little about her genuine, come out of harris convictions. you know, that's very different on the trump side. trump has been very vocal about his positions, and this is also where most of the fear now resides here on the european side. for 2 reasons, major, the 1st of all, you know, trade, and then secondly, security. those are the 2 things that future most prominently on the trade side. trump has, you know, said you know, everybody's trying to get the best of the united states is, are unfair deals the, the us out there to destroy the us. you know, we need to slap terrace on them. so a trade war is what's looming. the you was actually savvy, well prepared, because this whether you a strong, the most integrated that is less the case on the security side, whether your opinions are much, much more dependent on the us and, and services. and it's strategic strings and where, you know, if in the worst case scenario, trump, or to abandon the europeans,

different ways to do that. then you know, that would be a vacuum here. you know, your opinions to x to an extent would be strategically naked in a way that is very, very uncomfortable to them. so apart from that kind of emotional animal city that a lot of people have use of the trump as a person. you know, there's also a real, a genuine policy for you that you know that the europeans are going into very, very difficult, you know, water us into very difficult terrain. you know, if trump, you know, lives up to what he's promised, which is to squeeze the europeans, and to basically this engaged from the europeans, a, you know, in a security way as a security guarantor. that's the big, you know, kind of a specter that's, that's, that's will make the corridors here and building and that's fine your connection. so let's, let's come back to this in just a moment. that was a fantastic introduction into that topic for us young. uh, we do have a report on this very issue and then michelle will come to you for your comment as well. so as we said, the us selection, this is a truly global moment. you've got wars in the middle east and ukraine for the impact on nato,

and also relations with china. how americans vote will have real consequences for the rest of the world. so here is the view from dw as team of correspondence of america. the 5 on it's next president, well is watching, waiting on the outcome of an election. it might just fall beyond the borders of the united states. whoever becomes you as commander in chief will have a huge se on some of the world's biggest crises. so what's the impact could this us presidential election have on the light below to of israel has been ignoring american prussia to reduce civilian casualties and it's more against him off in gaza. it's a tax on his bullet, in lebanon, and in daily life in the occupied west bank. but the us election will matter in the middle east is roles. prime minister benjamin netanyahu ready met with both candidates in july, trying to win ties with the future. when the,

when he was president, donald trump recognized is really solvency of the occupied garden heights. and occupied is jerusalem. he also said illegal settlements and the occupied westbank when they go today, we officially open the united states embassy in jerusalem. a 2nd, trump presidency would likely in bold, and the far right is really government. and it's onyx ation and a legal settlement policy in the west bank and gaza somehow feel trump might also back a significant is rarely strike on the runs nuclear facilities. president obama has continued funding weapons to israel, but also twice a motorized of conduct and pushed for us the supply deal. we've come off. carmella harris has been moved local about garza, i'm the palestinians, white to solve the combination. and i know this here has been very difficult given the scale of death and destruction in gaza and came in the civilian casualties and

displacement and 11 on. but if she becomes president, she's expected to continue current and us policy power administration would likely try to keep is really government in check and will not withdrawal fundamental us. the stakes this us selection could be highest people here in keith or york provides more financial support to ukraine. us remains by far the way the biggest single source of ministry age help increase used to be one of the few things. the democrats and republicans in washington would agree on donald trump has refused to spell out that he wants to see ukraine when this war complains about the cost of aid. and he's also claimed he could end this war in 24 hours relationship. and i also have a very good relationship is, you know, with president, and i think that's people here and you can think that is code forcing you

crying to capitulate by putting the plug in american support. that's why building this landscape was quite so insistent about getting a personal meeting with trump during his most recent visit to the united states. adult trump, president, letting me person be sitting key if that's why we've heard from cumberland harris over and over again, where the harrison ministration actually means ukraine continued support, but also continued wearing this across environment suits in so called red lines. so what you create and experts are expecting from paris. they also why that us support as it currently is, is enough to keep your brains only going to prevent it from collapsing. but it isn't enough to inflict kind of damage on the russian army that would see that in the teaching coming from negotiating political offering terms that ukrainians can actually live with. that's why boys into zaleski has taken the initiative, which is so cool. victory plan, something that he discusses come a harris street. his most recent visit to dc. history has shown us if we allow oppressors like proven to take land with impunity,

they keep going and pull the consent is sites on poland, the baltic states, and the other nato allies. the official as in brussels, could elect i knew as president. they would certainly choose come a law harris. she promises continue a t with biden's approach and both security and straight. she believes in the value of the alliances to the u. s. and would undoubtedly emphasize a commitment to upholding nato. a mutual defense clause, even though many who tell us they do not really know exactly what's kind of foreign policy contest harris has. but if the trump is back in the white house along with he's america 1st approach, it's more than ever a case of fuel on its own. i will never apologize for defending america. i will project on workers i will project or jobs from sweats to impose terence on inputs into the you ask, what's the trigger?

a trait for his, a position to assisting q crane. and he's repeated questioning of whether he would defense nato allies of all those sources of worry for you or pm. the people here in taipei will of course be watching the us selection very closely given that increased chinese military invitation they stead down over recent years . washington is taiwan, is the biggest international baccha and almost a privilege to fully speaking that's been more concerned about the trump victory would mean for to like one given his more transactional approach to foreign policy at various points during the campaign. trump is incorrect and stated, that's why one quote stole america semi conducting business and the taiwan should pay for its own defense comments, which, that chinese officials and the weeks before the election to want to victory for trump could mean taiwan if discarded. us will come to the higher says paul, expect to, to be continued see from the bite in ministration. a strong stance on economic

competition with china. i'm really tumbling down on those lines. who's with us mutual traits, allies in the region. countries like japan on the philippines alliances which the resilience of our importance for ty, one's own security as well. so. so many different angles to unpack to this, michelle, when you think about the next administration's foreign policy, what comes to mind? well, just going off the report there, trump has said that not necessarily that he would support taiwan if china becomes more aggressive with taiwan. in fact, he's praise, she's in pain. and we were talking earlier about the potential for time to withdraw the us from the nato alliance, which he has threatened to do, and just talking about real world consequences about here in europe. that would create a security vacuum is you know, we see and we're talking now in germany about potentially reinstating the draft. so talking about how young people rising generation, they could see their lives change and having to change the way you're protects

itself. yeah, i'm serious. consequence, so we bought from, you know, thinking of allies as burdens his warnings about nato, in the last administration. how, how worried our officials in europe that this will, could actually take place in a new trump administration? i mean, the officials will always try to spread the optimism, you know, and then things are under control. underneath the surface, there is great nervousness, especially about the security guarantee, which is really whether europeans are most dependent on the americans. and, you know, trump doesn't even have to formally withdraw from data, which is difficult anyways, because there is no legal boundaries that congress a set on that. so formerly leaving nature was not even required. the one thing, the one sentence that has, you know enough that would be enough to create a crisis in europe as i feel no longer bound by article 5. he's the commander in chief. if he says such a thing, you know, people will start to get very nervous and was on the baltic states and elsewhere in europe. you know, because then article 5, the trust elements, you know,

and trust is the key currency here that will evaporate quite quickly. and then, you know, um, maybe you know, mr. putting seats as an, as an invitation to prove a little more, which he's already doing. you know, maybe this will lead, you know, some europeans to look for bilateral security guarantees. you know, some sort of, you know, pick for protection scheme that from austin. uh, you know, suggests it could undermine nato and, and could take on the dynamic that then is no longer on under control. i mean, this is not the bass case, is not the scenario that most of us expect. but you know, the deformation of security people like myself, is that we always thinking worst case scenarios. and the waste, worst case. and i was quite frightening for the consequences could be tremendous. we have some news we'd like to share with you now the associated press is saying that donald trump has won the state of north carolina. you've heard that here from pablo 1st. there's one of 7 crucial swing states in the selection. as expected, the race is coming down to the 7 battleground states of georgia, pennsylvania,

michigan, arizona, wisconsin, and nevada. its still up for grabs the race, of course, is still much too close to call you. so if you did for us and us networks have already called many other states, or trump and for harris, both candidates picking up early expected wins. so, back to pablo for some further detail on the very latest, you know, you're absolutely right. i mean, north carolina is, you know, as i said before, it's a state that normally has been republican, essentially for the past 50 years. it's been a republican state except in 2008 at under uh, obama's 1st run of course to office when it did s wing towards him and he won there . and now it's, it. obviously, 16 electoral college votes, one of the big ones, it's, you know, an important state if, if the ad republicans, if the democrats had one and we're seeing the results there and i have 48 percent for commer harris. donald trump on 51 percent. that's with 89 percent of the votes

kind. it rolls keeping a close eye as i've mentioned a good few times tonight at the state of georgia just a little bit further. so i was also a big prize, also a big prize, and one which of course, as i mentioned, went to joe biden, back in 2020. interesting stayed here because one topic that i think we really need to focus on, particularly in the swing states, is at demographics. we'll come back to it now just one second. so also 16 electoral college votes, 91 percent of the votes are counted. 48 percent for comma harris, 51 percent for donald trump. it's not looking too good for tomlin harris. it's based on those numbers, but of course hasn't been called just yet. now, what's interesting is demographics, and i think we really need to focus on that in states like georgia in states like at north carolina. you've seen large numbers of people move in to big urban areas. metropolitan areas like in the state of georgia, like atlanta and,

and in north carolina in the charlotte area. and then they also the research trying the research triangle as well. and so there's, you know, we're seeing a sort of a shift as well, but it does appear that for now it hasn't shifted in the direction of the democrats and also let's not forget that we're keeping an eye on all those other swing states . as you mentioned before and, and if we actually take a look at the national map, which i'm not sure if we have it right now, but that would, there it is. now, what do you want to stress? one thing, the bright red colors are basically states that are republican and a half a century being called for the republicans, the states that are at darker blue, we'll say our have been called for it, the democrats and then the other states where you see sort of a light or red or couldn't our state salmon assignment come, right? we'll call it that are, are leaning towards the republicans, but actually haven't being cold yet and the same goes for that sort of lighter blue . so a good example there would be the state of virginia,

which is the da they're on the east coast of the states. so, right now, no big shocks, we're seeing those big states. the gear home state of california going democrat, oregon, to state of washington, colorado, illinois, new york. you know, your home state and michelle, so no shocks there. virginia is leaning towards a democrat. it has become, it's one of those states. it's actually slipped, used to be republican, is now a democratic state, and we can we talk about florida real certainly comm. yeah. florida used to be a swing state. right? sure. did. when for obama in 2008. but again, when we're talking about demographics, a lot of conservative people has started moving to florida. you think about donald trump? he's kind of a magnet and, and because governor rhonda sent us, he's also a very conservative guy. and so we're seeing people moving to be around people have similar political ideologies as they do. so, you know, essentially are we sort of seeing a split thing in society on some level. so we're going to, people are moving away from each other in order to be with their own, you know,

which is, you know, for me would be a concern, you know, in any country. yeah. it is interesting how it has changed, which states we pay attention to at, in, to see who can reach that magic $270.00 and the electoral college or so for those were just joining and wondering about the intricacies and nuances and very strange system at the united states has to elect a president to remind them why we're seeing these results coming in from different states at a different speeds. absolutely. so 1st, what's important to know is that the president is elected by the electoral college . so there are $435.00 electors, and they are split across the 50 states by the population of the states. the state like california has many, i think has 50, is that right? that's right. okay. and then smaller states like vermont, have i think 2 or 3, it's based on the population now, when that was originally decided. but the original 13 states that was to allow smaller states to have more say, and, and representation in the overall government,

not just by population as it's a balls. it means that just a few key states which have pretty even democrat versus republicans, are really the states where the presidential election is decided. it's not the popular vote across the entire country. it's whoever wins $270.00 elect tours. and again, those swing states are the ones that can put the wind in a, in one candidates column versus the other. now we were just looking at that map, it looked very red or sam and indeed didn't. it could just be an example of the so called red in mirage, which you typically see and us selections, where when you're starting to count the votes, you see the map trending red. but then as more votes are counted, it tends to, to even out and shift back to blue. do you think that's an example of this? and in case remind us what's going on when we talk about the red mirage. right, okay, so more talking about the reading arise, that means there's kind of a rural urban divide with,

with how votes are tabulated. so if you talk about like rural counties, say in like um, georgia, there's fewer people voting so it's easier to quickly tabulate those votes and send them. and also it's seen that republicans are more likely to vote in person. now when we're talking about democrats, more democrats live in urban areas and tend to vote by mail in or absentee ballot. and so the world areas can quickly tabulate and send them the results. and it takes longer for the cities which tend to go democratic. so at the beginning of the night, we might see that the boat is leaning towards the republicans, which is the red arise. and then later as all the votes are tabulated, we'll see democrats catch up. yeah, and of course every state has its own laws to make matters. even more complicated. pablo, i think we've just had another. another results calls haven't got the right. we've got the state of new mexico, which has gone to add commerce. it's gone. democrats, and also it's actually california is the big prize. got more than 50054. thank you

. so there you go under estimate. so no, your estimate california is a big, big state. so yeah, that's what we've got. and actually a few minutes ago, the state of oregon as well. but we already mentioned that interest that it went blue as well. and just to jump on what you are asking if, if this not that we're seeing now is an example of the red mirage. i actually don't think so, because if you look at this, the map of the united states, it's kind of like a sandwich on the coast. you generally see the blue states which are more liberal and in the middle are the red states which are less populated, more rural. and so they tend to go republican and on the coasts, you tend to go democratic and that's kind of what we're seeing on. that's interesting what you were saying actually before about the state of florida. how it's it's gone. republican, if we look at the state of arizona, arizona is actually a kind of an interesting one cuz it was essentially a republican state. and now it's beginning to change and that's a little time to maricopa county, which is basically the biggest a population center. that's where phoenix is. that's the state capital. also

a state that's seen at large numbers of people move in quite an ethnically diverse as well. and to tend to be more democratic folder, so that's where we're seeing as well shifts. that's another state, another one of the swing states. so we'll also be keeping a close eye on the state of arizona to know status update there yet, ro status update yet. and that's a mountain time, so they have a little more time. they're taking a bit longer than, you know, tabulate. and also another one of those states. let's not forget that last time it was very, very close. i think it came down to 11000 votes or so in, in arizona. yeah, we're talking about razor thin margins, potentially in some of these spring sites in the selection. absolutely. and of course, the longer the closer it is, the longer it's going to take to get some of those results and probably say that i know a lot to say about the state of democracy. i hope we can talk about that. how democracy play the wellness race, but we certainly can just briefly talk to me about pennsylvania because this is a state that comes up again. and again, it is a huge prize in terms of like all college votes. both candidates spent the most

time at the most money there. why is that? because it's 19 electoral votes and we talk about how you want to get those 270 in your tally. when we talk about a swing state, that's the biggest surprise, and it's a state that has a large rural population and a large urban population. but you know what john went to the university there. so we were just talking about that earlier and the, you know, i'd love to turn the time of you to, to say a little bit more about your experience in pennsylvania and why it's such a big price. yeah, i mean, pennsylvania is the 5th largest state in the union by population. so it's really a big price as you say. but the divide this message i was at, at the pennsylvania state university, penn state big, you know, football school and it's smack in the middle of that state. and it's interesting because it's a liberal, you know, left leaning college tongue island in the middle of a red ocean, you know, off basically conservative rural pennsylvania and borders. uh and, and you know, that divide was even in the mid ninety's when i was there, as of this as

a long time ago. and i was there in 2000. we were there kinda overlaps and you know, you get this thing and you can feel the divide. you know, that riddles, america. you can see that they're on the ground because you're right there. you just basically half a mile outside of the city limits. you're in a different world, and these 2 worlds only meet really into kind of nodes where they come together. one of them is football because what everybody's interested in the great unifier and the other one is walmart. and apart from this, these worlds would not meet. and i think that divide has only gotten worse since then. and i just have to say it's much more polarized now than it would've been. yeah. and you were there. and so pennsylvania turns into a main middle ground because these worlds are just right next to each other right there. and one little, you know, and one little hobby tongue. right. and just as i spoke to the mirror and the small town where i'm from from new york, she drove down with her husband to campus in pennsylvania. she volunteered to go door to door. she took the minivan app, which is the democrats apt to find out who she should talk to and find out who's likely to vote. so she could tell them democrats onboarding day where to explain

their resources to get people going. we also know what you on last port, huge amounts of money into the state through his pack was giving away a $1000000.00 to people who would sign a petition, basically to identify who could be potential republican voters. so this has been a place that has just people been inundated with text mails, knocks on the door, and i think they'll be some relief when this is done for, for these people who finally made their choice. i can imagine, yeah, problem you have an update for us. i do have an update. claire at the state of virginia has now been called by a p, and that's gone to comma, ours for the democrats. so again, yeah, it's a temperature in the higher. so right now it's uh, $205.00, the to come a higher is $232.00 donald trump on of course we're are keeping a close eye on pennsylvania cuz that is the big price. indeed, and if you'll remember the last elections in 2020, this was the place that was counting it's male in ballots. they're not allowed to

start counting until election day. and it's an arduous process that takes forever. and i think then we found out on the saturday that's right after the tuesday, we're not expecting a result from pennsylvania. yeah, probably for a few days again. yeah. so does the fact that we don't have a result? yeah, i mean that there's something that's, that's gone wrong, or is this pretty much what you would expect in the us selection? no, i mean from, from these numbers that we see now and the fact that pennsylvania will probably report late. this is something that we expected. what i think is interesting when we look at that national map, again, that basically based on the numbers that we know now, she now needs to in all of those 3 needs. she needs to when a michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania, that's a pretty tall order for her at this point. you know, if she wants to. i mean that's, that's at least how i read the numbers at this point and for how for, you know, and they're also, i'm on the map for her to, you know, swing them around, you know, it, it takes a lot of catching up to do that. so at this point, i think it looks much better for me from i know the pulling her in a statistical dead heat with trump in pennsylvania. do you know if what her chances

would be in somewhere like michigan or wisconsin in michigan? it looked like this was the best state for her, of all of the swing states for a long, long time. and, you know, but she was damaged a, by the gods, a crisis. and by you doing lots of democratic voters, you know, having an, a, an error background, you know, basically turning their backs on the democratic party. so that put the, the, the state and into the race again. and wisconsin has been a swing state for so long now. you know, also again, this rural, urban divide in wisconsin, playing out quite heavily. you know, i, i don't know what the odds are at this point. but you know, simon, leaning on arm up, you know, a and the, and that's, that's the reason for concern and has come to, it's an interesting point you bring up that again, points back to foreign policy. these, these democratic voters who are really upset with the biden administration's handling of, of israel with this policy toward israel and toward gaza. many of those not going out to vote as a form of protests. you think that's going to have

a significant impact on come on her as, as kansas. i think that possibly could. and that's one of the exit pull questions. i would ask, as i mentioned michigan, stay with a huge arrow of american population, where many people have relatives in gaza and are very concerned about the bombing that is happening there. as more than 40000 people killed in gaza and, and angry that the, the, by the ministration has not put on in arms and vargo or, or tried to put more pressure on that yahoo to, to end israel's campaign. they're the same course as vice president attach comalla harris to yes. yeah. which she would have it. we don't know the inner workings of the white house. but generally, the way the vice president would not have a huge amount of say on that kind of policy might be able to weigh in, but not necessarily design or execute that. so we're,

we're talking about the democrats, which have a very big coalition. it's a lot of people have very different view points and so you've got a lot of people who are centrist, who wants to someone who kind of continues the line kind of like fighting. and then also the democratic party. you've got people who are very much leading left and that is an issue, especially for young people who to really are against what's happening and, and not seen auction from their politicians and could yes, as he said, not vote for her in a form of protest. this seems like a good time to check in with what everybody watching from home wants to know pablo to right to the area. we've got a lot of our viewers, of course watching from around the world is on youtube and the thing. putting questions to us, and one question actually, is it a want to put to at? because it's, it's a continuation of what we're talking about here is, what would a trump presidency mean for the war in the middle east that's coming from one of our viewers. when you're the united states and you are a superpower with responsibility that goes beyond the border as you are in

a dilemma here. you know, when, when typically, when washingtonians try, just look at the, the, the conflict that what they see is a conflict between basically israel and the wrong. you know, when, when you ask borders in michigan, you know, with an arrow background, what they see is the human to terry and situation on the ground and gaza. these are the 2 realities. and this is the dilemma that every superpower, every security guy and tore, has to face. you'll have a logic kind of abstract, strategic narrative. and you have a concrete situation on the ground that you do produces images that are, you know, hard to bear. and i think, i mean, that's going to continue. there is no, no doubt that america will continue to have to navigate this, trump will probably be free or from the protests. you know, the democratic party is more susceptible to that pressure. trump has, in the past, in his 1st term, you know, been a very sturdy and ardent supporter of as well. this is where his, you know, most important for the front policy achievement, you know, fell the abraham accords basically negotiating. and if i push them all between some

arab states and israel out of fear of iran, and so this is what his people accomplished at the time. and so i think it's hard to say that probably, you know, it should trump come to office, that's going to continue and perhaps be reinforced, you know, on the democratic side it's, it's more intricate. you know, um, of course america can never completely abandon israel. but the pressure is there, the domestic pressure is there and, and, and harris would find that much harder to navigate. and trump, and where does europe fit into this? when they're looking at a potential trump administration's foreign policy towards the middle east? would they be able to work with a trump administration to pursue it? schools there? i think the truth of the matter is that the europeans don't really, you know, move the needle very much in the middle east. you know, this used to be one of their foreign policy, you know, i'm facies in the nineties and in the early, 2, thousands. when that was to be the focus of the, of the brussels foreign policy team and many member states. but in reality, europe is not, you know, a major strategic sector in the middle east. and therefore, you know, of course,

the europeans will work with any kind of american administration us that ministration. but at the same time, i think their influence in both cases, you know, whether in sarasota from would be fairly limited. so into, to the grad shut off, the europeans will have to bear some of the consequences of that war. for example, in terms of, you know, refugees coming from that from that area, but they're just too weak as of geo political play to really play a role in the middle east and move the needle that so um, you know that there will be bystanders. under, under both possible administrations that's really fascinating. michelle just brought in that out. how do you think the selection could influence the way that americans are perceived abroad when they're pursuing these farm policy goals? i just wanted to add that i think donald trump is really driven by image and we know that he was generally supportive of israel's reaction to what happens in the attack on october 7th. and however his is mine started to change. he said, look at these images that are coming, we need to stop this. and then he's also something that in yahoo,

you do what you have to do. so i really think that donald trump is going to be driven by the image of what's happening in gaza and, and let that inform how he decides to act. so in terms of america's percentage abroad image abroad, i think that, you know, that's been on the downward trend since george w bush decided to launch 2 wars in iraq and afghanistan that it lasted for 20 years . because you've seen that this world super power could not export its version of democracy to account free that, that really wasn't ready for it or didn't want it. and then withdrew in a chaotic manner and left many people who had promised to protect behind. and i think so that's, that's really devastating to a lot of people to see that. however, america still is a superpower. one of the best militaries in the worlds has

a lot of cultural exports. so it depends on how you look at it. but it's, it's image around the world has been damaged by some of these military for as, and yet it feels like we're at perhaps another inflection point. john, i'm curious to hear your thoughts. mean we're seeing outgoing joe biden. he's a famous transatlantic. he's cultivated strong links to european leaders with him no longer in the white house. do you think we're going to see a fundamentally different relationship take shape? i think under, from the answer with tvs there, that would be a fundamentally different approach by the us administration to europe. and trump has indicated that again. and again, i don't think we're in for like a full abandonment type worst case scenario. i think that's not going to happen because in the end, they're also a viable us interest in europe. that even the trump and administration will acknowledge, but the europeans would be more on their own, especially on the security and defense side. under harris administration. i think

well, continuity, harris has indicated again and again, you know, that she believes the nato and understands the value of such an alliance for the united states. but basically, you know, even then even under and harris administration, that you know slower, but for ton tots to the asia pacific, the end of pacific. as the key strategic, you know, theater in the world will continue as well. the americans will re focus and will allocate more of the resources there. so even under harris, the europeans would have to become more independent. only that they have more time and the less less tight administration in the white house. but you know, basically the homework that the remains have to do would be the same under both administrate. since i'm curious what kind of affects you would expect to see in the, in the pacific region. should there be a trump administration? how might this play out? would you see regional powers? they're starting to team up more or what kind of outcome would there be? regional pause already teaming up. this is the counter balancing that we've, you know, seen against china. a china is now the over,

over whelming and defining factor in the endo pacific. and so countries with, or without the united states start to kind of build networks and, and team up and, and, and, and, and build the network that you know, can possibly, you know, secure itself against an overwhelming chinese influence. with trump in the white house, the big question is, you know, on the one hand, he's quite confrontational with the chinese. he likes strong men and politics like she. but at the same time, he sees china also as a threat to united states also economically. so, you know, he's kind of, you know, torn on the, on this issue. i think we would probably see a more confrontational course. these are the china we have heard earlier on the show that there's some loveliness on the taiwan issue. you know, the time when he was, i think would probably feel less secure. they don't particularly like, you know, that's kind of a wellbeing this. but then again, it also matters of who will actually be the decisive foreign policy players and then from administration, there are people like alberts called, be quite influential. and the conservative side, he's has the only strategic matter issue that matters for the united states and the

world is not high. one, if we lose taiwan, reduce the end to pacific. if we lose the end, the pacific where it touched base to get that says russian out. but then there are other people who say, you know, taiwan not really a cup of tea. so it depends really, very much on who will be the key advisors and the key influence, or it's really on from, on the, on the pacific. it's hard to say as to what, how that's gonna play out that, that personnel issue will be usually important. it's definitely fascinating, it will be interesting to see which of those players within trumps or but it does become a heavy hitter in terms of foreign policy. if, if we see a 2nd trump administration, i'm thank you both for this very interesting conversation. i do want to get right back across the washington dc and our correspondent janelle do milan. is there reporting for us this evening at the early hours of the morning in for linda, janelle, good to see you. i understand you're also at howard university, that historically black college and university where kama harris has been can you

give us an update on what's going on there? and dude, clara. so i am here at howard university and just because it's the 1st time that you and i are speaking tonight, i just want to tell you that this day started very much on a high for the people here gathered for the campbell of harris event. they were feeling optimistic, they were feeling hopeful, they were feeling confident and in the course of the night. so those positive feeling seemed to have largely dissipated. so i don't know if you can see behind the, but definitely in those event you have more people leaving. now then coming in, there are still thousands of people inside, but uh, just a few moments ago they read out a campaign and memo from but higher risk i'm paying charge. and normally, dylan saying about, so they don't expect the race to be called to night to the, to of course they had been anticipating that in such a close race. it could take time uh to,

to finish up the account. and the me to that, that was the job people started leaving. but in order to still underscore how, how much the mood has dropped, how much of the atmosphere has become more gloomy. people have been saying to our team, we've been talking to people here all night and found that optimism now they're using words like despair. now they're using words like heartbreak, especially when the north carolina was called for trump. and then everybody just realized just how much harder accountable of harris has passed to victory will be. she of course, now has to sweep those blue states in order to get of it, or the blue ball states, excuse me, rather in order to get a victory. but at this particular moment, it does seem like trump is top, has the advantage in those states as well. that is not lost on the people here, a 10 big the election watch party. and that is what is causing the general dump in dampening of enthusiasm that i just talked about to now just give us

a little bit of context. what is it like in washington dc? where do you typically see most support, you know, as the nation's capital, do they typically vote republican democrats or the people you've been talking to representative of the wider population there? ok, so 1st of all, washington d. c, a solidly democrats, so that you will find more capital. however, supporters here than not where it's a at this particular uh, you know, but washington dc is also a place where not many people are from uh, originally the, the, the native population here where people are born and raised to actually quite small . so the people that we've been talking through here at howard university and all day as we've been talking to voters, i've been mostly talking to a couple of hours folders. they do come from all over uh, just uh, just an hour ago i spoke to one young the 1st time voter from pennsylvania. she spent her time volunteering for the hours campaign in pennsylvania in north

carolina. and i just want to say that all the people who are gathered here for a couple of hours, so they come from all over the country. they're a very, they're very diverse. you have young and whole, you're young and old people of various backgrounds. and it really is a cross section of america here tonight, and one that again is feeling a little less than positive as the results come in on what's on the seem to be quite a long election evening. i was just looking at some pictures of how are university there janelle, where you've been reporting from. thank you so much for bringing us that updates great to hear from you and keep up the good work. now if you are just joining us, we want to bring you up to speed with the latest information we have on the results on this election night in the united states is those 8 and press says, donald trump has won the state of north carolina. one of 7 crucial swing states in this election. meanwhile,

couple of harris has won the state of virginia. as expected, the race is coming down and to those 7 battle ground states with georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, arizona, wisconsin and nevada still up for grabs the race still too close to call the associated press and us networks have already called many other states for trump or harris if i'm bringing you those updates both candidates picking up early expected and follow fully alias has the latest on those results for us. give us give us an update of where things stand now public, right, right now we're at 205. the college electoral votes are like for comma harris, $230.00 for donald trump. as you already mentioned, their ad, donald trump has one at one of those 7 swing states at the state of that north carolina at we're keeping a close eye on the state of georgia which is very tight. pennsylvania at michigan,

wisconsin. and then over on the other side of the country, arizona and nevada, nevada hasn't even started to account yet. and but right now as janelle just said, actually there in data in that lives that we just hybrid there. there. interesting what you said about washington dc. in fact, washington dc is over 90 percent democrat, which is pretty incredible out of course as well the whole at washington dc area, northern virginia, southern maryland is very much a democrat stronghold, which is, you know, perhaps not a surprise but, but that's the way it is. pennsylvania, we're keeping a very, very close eye on at the moment it is leaning towards donald trump, but of course no result in there yet. same goes for michigan. with less than half of the votes counted there at in pennsylvania. i should say that over 80 percent of the votes are counted, but of course this is one of those days where it's incredibly tight. so we, we took a while to count on it, takes a while to calculate waiting for those mailing ballots. right, right,

absolutely. they don't start until the morning of where's other starts can other states can start ahead of election day? pennsylvania waits till 7 am on election day to start. although counting on i'm very glad that you pointed out i because started super important in this election. of course, i'm like, janelle said kind of harris now really has to wait in, in those states there, if she has, can, can i just say at least i think it's very interesting that donald trump has not gotten out and uh, started any kind of premature victory speech, as we saw in 2020, right. i think he's confident if he sits back and waits if any point in his favor. and i don't think he wants to stop counting at this point. you know, in 2020, when you started seeing some of these blue waves coming in, he wanted the voting to stop. but at this point in the race that leaning his way doesn't look like a time to get out and say, hey, i've got this. yeah, this was the big issue in 2020 wasn't at the, the stopped the steel that donald trump started when you,

when you look at actions like that you, on how much does this undermine confidence in elections in the united states from frederick, you know, has been designed to undermine confidence and that process he started a month ago to talk about you know, how that next election would. all right, what would be stolen? again, he reinforced as frederick, over the last few days, you know, before the, the, the building started that, you know, his supporters should expect the elections to be stolen. again. i mean, this is the kind of a poison, the stuff that, that really undermines confidence and the system undermines confidence in the institutions. it's the kind of weakening effort that he's been trying for a long, long time. it's what makes people so, especially on this side of the atlantic, you know, when they see this open and, and very shameless and unrelenting attacked on the institutions. this is what gives them the heebie jeebies. and, and so, you know, we've seen that it's

a systematic effort and, and so far the institutions of us democracy happened. you know, quite resilient. so we haven't seen any damage this. and so far, i think, you know, throughout this night we haven't heard about any major irregularities, you know, or, or, or major disruptions. so, you know, but, but you know, for him to create that narrative to have it in reserve shut the election be tied so that he could go back to it and say, you see, i told you, so this was, i think the strategy here at the moment the numbers look like you doesn't even need that. right. so have laid the groundwork for it. uh now we're gonna come back to this conversation in just a moment 1st. so we have of course, that seen the harris and from campaigns dropping vast amounts of time and money into this handful of spring states, virtually ignoring the rest of the country. and that is because of the us electoral system, the whatever the white house doesn't need to win the popular vote use on the east has more the us election is supposed to represent the will of the people. but

does it the us has an electoral college system, which means of a candidate wins the vote and a handful of states where the races are tight called swing states. they can win the white house without winning the popular vote nationwide. it's happened only 5 times in american history, but 2 of those times we're in the last 25 years. and polls indicate it could happen again this november the, here's how the system works for presidential candidate to when they have to get the most electoral votes. those are votes cast by state electors who represent the winner of the popular vote in each state. the number of electoral votes each state has, has based on its population size. in any candidates who wins the vote in the state by even the smallest majority gets all the states electoral votes with exceptions and 2 small states main in nebraska. that system has led to situations like in the 2000 election when a republican george w bush won the state of florida by 537 votes, handing him the white house,

even though his opponent won over half a 1000000 more popular votes in 2016, it happened again. republican donald trump won the election with a wide margin of electoral votes, even though his democratic opponent, hillary clinton, received 2800000 more popular votes. overall. the electoral college has tended to favor republicans for out of the 5. so called minority presidents on us history were republicans, there's never been a democratic minority president, may fully execute the office of president. one argument in favor of the electoral college is that the us as a federalist system, meaning states are meant to have a voice and national politics, regardless of how many people lived there. it sometimes seems no one likes it, but that doesn't mean that it's easy to challenge because it is a voice for the stats. and it's often felt that without the voice, but the steps presidential elections would be for a different time. much time would be start campaigning, only handle our 6 though. but critics say the electoral college has become outdated

and pointed out that the us is the only presidential democracy in the world where candidate can get them. majority of votes and still lose. there have been a few attempts to reform or overturn the electoral college. none of them so far successful, but of 2024 gives to us yet another minority president, especially one is divisive. as donald trump approval ratings for the current system are likely to hit an all time low or so one day to unpack their uh, the nuances, the intricacies of the us elect oral system. pablo, i think we have some, we wanted to take another look at those spring states. right? absolutely. yeah, i should also mentioned that the state of hawaii actually has also being called for kind of higher snow going say not a swing to say, but it's an interesting and a not a shocker. the so be to. yeah, the state. absolutely. um and uh yeah, but if we take a look then at the at the bigger picture. so right. we have right now is 209. uh

for kind of higher is $230.00 for donald trump. lets not forget that 270 is the number that at the candidate the waiting candidate basically needs to pass. so we're looking at here at the national map and we've decided it's a salmon, right? so, and if you look at the salmon there at the state of georgia at ga, at the moment, the vote is still taking place, we should get a result in georgia soon enough. i imagine unless there are some issues there at pennsylvania. also leaning at more republican, that's the one that says p a. then we've got michigan and wisconsin just to the left there us. and then in the west coast we've got our zone, of course is one of the other swing states at all. so at the moment at leading republican nevada at they haven't started the count yet, it appears from that map, you know, they do it largely by mail and the secretary state. there has advised counties to

start tiling those ballots. as soon as pulls open on election day, but i guess still still wait or whatever reason really waiting for those. so at the moment we, there is no big shockers yet. um, you know, like i said before, and you mentioned to north carolina has gone to donald trump. the last time we saw a go to the democrats was back in 2008 for obama. georgia is the one that we're keeping a close eye and of course, and then pennsylvania, pennsylvania at the moment, is at 84 percent of votes counted. and let's take a look here now at georgia. so 16 electoral college votes, they're 48 percent for a camera. harris 51 percent for donald trump at the moment and that's with at 93 percent of the votes counted. so it's not looking too good for kind of harris at the moment. down in the georgia, jo bite and of course one there in 2020. this is a state that's changing. we've been talking about demographics before it. we are

seeing a bit of a shift in the state of georgia, pennsylvania. the big one is the big prize. 19 electoral college votes, a very diverse state for many different reasons. and tomlin harris at the moment on 48 percent. donald trump at 51 percent and that's what over 80 percent of votes kind of what we should stress the pennsylvania can take several days for result to come in. and so let's not jump to any conclusions just yet. right. and it takes longer for urban centers. very yes, they're both then the role counties to count and for ports. there you go in maybe the blue catch up. not necessarily, we don't know if this point to overcome but could catch up on a lot of you know, what we're seeing we seen in this selection has been both candidates trying to get their people to go out and thoughts on states like pennsylvania. and you've got big urban centers like at the philadelphia metropolitan area and then on the other side of the state in pittsburgh. and you've also got their big, strong democrats, strong holes. but then you have areas that used to be quite them crap of switched

to be republicans, republican cavities, who are big funds of donald trump, for many different reasons, often related to economics. this is the state that's so you know, it's part of the real spouse, particularly the western half of the state. so you had a lot of voters who would have previously been democrat. this was the state that was democrat, basically from the early from 1992 joe biden loves absolutely over in scranton, of course crime. joe, and i bought over, you know, from about 1992 to about 2016. this was a democrats, the 8th is with democratic state, and then of course it shifted to donald trump. so we'll see how things go in pennsylvania. it depends very much on who went out and voted there. yeah, the harris campaign will be watching this very nervously turn out. of course, one of the biggest factors in these elections is right. right. but she needs not just pennsylvania. now. she needs wisconsin in michigan to. that's her path to

victory. it's looking like right now. yeah, so yeah, i mean, it is an interesting feature of american elections, right. that it matters so much how many people actually show up on election day? why do you think it, what can you just break that down for us? maybe for an international audience. why, you know, if it seems, it seems like a wild thing to put forward, but that the number of people who actually leave the house. you know, we have research showing that the weather actually greatly influenced as the election results. why? why that is, i think the reason for that is actually fairly simple. the country is pretty, ideologically, pretty much split in half. the actual on the site, it's in the middle. that's in reality, a fairly small number of people that will tell you on the polls there on this side of the reality that i'm not. which means that the contains increasing the are less about convincing people. and more about mobilizing people. so, you know, companions are now less about, you know, making a good case for this or that policy. but to get people out to vote, you know, it's

a mobilization effort more than anything else. and that's because the ideological divide, so clear cut, so predictable at, you know, so calculable. the one thing that you need to do to win is to get your people out. and, and, and this is, you know, way you look at individual demographics. they run these simulations and look at unbelievably tiny, sub sub sub demographics that you need to bring out in certain counties so that the world swings. this is what the real operation is like. is much less about making a good case about the policies that you want to pursue. yeah, and i think just those on the side of voters, you're talking about a lot of these people, as you said, probably are decided, but they just don't have the time. they're working say to 3 job because you say, yeah, it's not a day off. yeah, they aren't paying attention to politics. other things are important in their life . and so that's where the trump campaign was really trying to make inroads. young man are generally a population that doesn't both so much a blackman as well. and so when you're talking about getting boats, probably they're, they're coming on their decide for us. we just got to get them to the point. now i

think now seems like a good time to check in and see if our audience has any questions you're absolutely right on there are, there are plenty of questions that actually one question which we really should put to at the panel. of course isn't i can answer part of this is how long does the vote can't last and when would we have find the results that's more than the $1000000.00 question. when will we have the fund, rosalie? thing of fine point. well we've, it could last weeks. so you know, essentially they have until december 11th to basically finish the kind of, to in, at, in the united states. so that's sort of the final final final date in many respects . but we're hoping that it won't last, not long because it really comes down to the states. each state has their own system, has a kind and have a tally of everything. so, but the bottom line being very much, it's not necessarily tonight's, not necessarily tonight. and generally media organizations call it before the vote is actually fully counted and certified based on exit, polling and,

and their connections with the county officials who are in charge of this. and if we look back at the 2020 election, it lasted for several days until november 7th when media organizations called it for present bite. and so we'll probably hear from the media 1st before we actually hear the official results. sometimes there can be an automatic recount triggered if the, if the result is immunization points, it's too close, then there's automatic recount, which could extend it. so if we look back at the 2020 election, i believe that last for 36 days. anyway, can last for a while, you can last for a while, so hold on to your horses, but yeah, what it looked like today, right? you're right. it doesn't quite look like that yet. it, unless we're looking to run mirage, but doesn't seem like that done that it seems to be clear other than, than we expected. yeah, because we have uh, another results coming in uh from the state of nebraska, nebraska is one of 2 states where the vote in fact is split and uh, the rest of all the, the electoral vote. and absolutely just to make things

a little bit easier on a little more complicated. and so it's actually gone press, it's one of the districts is gone, president district to has gone to campbell, hers. and so that's another electoral vote there for comma her. she's up to 210, still 230 for donald trump. i know shifty at, in, at those other swing states. but of course we keep close eye and yeah, have us a problem with any other questions coming in from that we do indeed. yeah, we've got plenty of questions coming in and a lot of people asking questions that we can't answer right now, which is with trump in the lead. can timeless still when? well, i mean, it depends very much i on the swing states at the moment. so we can't really answer that one. so that's a good question. ok, okay. can come a little when, what would a path to victory look like? yeah, in theory, of course, yes, i mean we have lots of uncalled states. so some of these states are incredibly tight, it's still possible. we have the rural areas, you know, reporting for us and the, and the, the, the urban ones that are,

that means that will be a little bit of a, of a groundswell of more democratic. well, it's coming in, so in theory, that's possible, it only this is what makes us skeptical, is it only looks like the momentum is not there for her. we would have probably picked up on that momentum earlier on the night, you know, looking at north carolina, you know, which was supposed to be one of those bad weather states that momentum hasn't really been visible. so it's still possible. absolutely. is it probable? that's a very different question. michelle, if we look at the momentum as being binds trump at this point in the counting, what are the major issues you think that spoke to voters when they came out to the polls? again, 1st of all, i'd have to say it's the economy. several people i talked to on my trip to new york, i just went there. and people i talked to in the airport as i was traveling. a big thing they said was, you know, the economy was just better under trump. now, we have to say that during that time, there was a pandemic, huge amount of different factors caused inflation to rise. we're talking about

supply chain interruptions. we're talking about people not working, we're talking about stimulus is that put huge amounts of money into the american economy and people's wallets that then raise prices, but many people sense or that those prices haven't gone down. even though many have i brought the example of diet coke. this is, you know, a coca cola flavor. your sort of flavor is not something you're easily going to change because you like that cold, better than diet pepsi in the heart of your identity. yeah, i'm not waiting in on this at all, but that's how americans feel. so if you spent, you know, $4.00 on a 12 pack of diet, coke in 2018, and now after 2022, you're spending $10.00 at the store. americans see that as major sticker shock and they're just starting to change their behavior. but, but again, that's a huge reason. also the things that i've heard is see the sunsets the world was a more safe place under trunk. we,

the us and the world was involved and, and 2 wars that, that make the world feel chaotic. that's not to say that there wasn't chaos that was created inside the united states by many of terms of policies and statements. but that's a sense i get from from supporters, the economy and the sense that he can run the country. yeah. and young just briefly does not hold water. this perception that the economy was better under trump, that life was easier. the groceries were cheaper. uh, groceries were definitely cheaper, you know, but then again, you know, you comp claim a president presently on the increase of price expense just beyond the president's reach. i think what's, what was always risky for come out of harris and this campaign was to run on an economic platform for the most part. and the part from the reflective rights abortion issue, which she played very strongly. you know, she tried to cash in on the economy, which in the statistics and the numbers that we can look at is good. but people don't feel that way. and when you actually look at polls, she has an edge on her on economic competence. and for her to run against the

feeling and against you know, the proceed. competence of, of her opponent was a very tall order to begin with. so it doesn't look like that has a benefit or a great to be in this case. all right, let's look at the view from the united states database correspondent janelle, to milan has been hanging out near howard university in washington dc. we spoke to her earlier, that's where a couple of harris has been holding her election party. and she asked harrison supporters there about their expectations from today's election or i think i think going to be really close, but i hope there's a way and yeah, i'm feeling pretty good. i feel like karma has done a lot like for the community. i feel like she's a howard alumni, of course, but i feel like she represents to people. trump, teachers, nothing but hate. and i feel like kala, she gonna pull out a w just for the country, bring people together. i've never seen this many people of all different races f. this is vanessa. these countries backgrounds here representing the people like i

feel like she represents the people were prisoners. love we. we witnessed a history right now. we don't how our university campus. we've got to change lives here as well. i'm not worried. i think georgia folder. oh, i'm not. where are we in the other states? i expected, so i think she'll win. um i think she'll pull it out, but it's um it's still a big question mark. so we just are there from the people at howard university which were looking at pictures of now at that party where come on harris is awaiting the results. howard in washington dc, one of america's historically black colleges and universities. and we're going to keep an eye on it throughout the night to see what kind of reaction people are happening. as a result, slowly trickle in on harris's alma mater. it is calmer,

harris is alma mater, important to mentioned that that's why she's chosen this spot. she's got what we were told met before we heard from that those kind of higher supporters, which is of course donald trump has been talking so much about the issue of immigration in the united states. and this has been talked about time and time and time again, often in quite an aggressive manner using a quite derogatory language, which is, you know, led to a backlash for many different communities in the united states. and what i'm interested to know is if donald trump, where to, when will he lower? will he tone down that type of rhetoric that we've heard? or is this gonna continue? is it possible add donald trump's presence? michelle's you want to take that one? we saw some very interesting rallies from trump was recently about one of madison square garden in new york. right? yes. one of the speakers who came before him in talk to derogatorily about people

from puerto rico and he called it an island of garbage. not that they are immigrants, but he tries to other other people who aren't quite like him or what he considers like. um, i'm just gonna leave it at that. but he has a really strong rhetoric and strong promises. he said he's going to add the ports and people who were in the united states illegally dances, put in the number of 1000000. and that's going to create a huge amount of logistical and financial challenges to actually execute that. and he said he'll institute a ban on people entering the country from muslim majority countries again, uh, basically just clipped on and will he do it? i think this is an issue where he has followed through on his words. if we look at his past administration, i think we should be ready for, for what comes and he's got a lot more enablers around him. i'm understanding than he did in, in his passive ministration. so people who really believe that the us should shut

down his borders and his popular yeah, now this is the initial will definitely come back to 1st. so i do want to get across to florida and our chief international editor richard walker, who is reporting their uh, surrounded by trump, supporters. how is that news going down? richard about north carolina has been calls for trump the yeah, just just another thing to, to hiding to move here. players be if they have been pretty excited about moodle evening really, but yeah, that there's still plenty of noise here. you do notice and the 2 levels may be getting a little lower because it's getting late. people are beginning to get tired. but still, there's a real excitement here and people are the more more people i told to really have the sense that that category is, is winning tonight. and the state that gets cold. uh and each prediction on a use website with one of those needles pointing more or more into trumps direction . a lot of people hunched over that phones here watching those needles and feeling

pretty excited about it. but yeah, i like north carolina, i wanted to mention to you guys. so i was in north carolina a few weeks ago with a couple of colleagues for my team in washington. and we went to a riley that come to harris, held in a town called greenville, which is a university town in eastern north carolina. and we got the night before we went to have a dinner in the town, and chevy to a lot of people that just to try and get a sense of a good the vibe and so, and how much excitement that was about this event. and it was one thing that was quite telling was quite a few people in the town who we spoke to did not know that the vice president was going to be coming the following day to hold a reilly in that town. even though this is pretty small town is that it is pretty much is a big event for, for that kinds of community. so we did wonder if this is it just a little anecdotal piece of evidence about about

a slight lack of enthusiasm out there in the public to come to harris compared to the week before that where we had been in butler, pennsylvania for donald trump settings rally that you remember the 1st time he went, there was the time that he was so that he was nearly killed by a someone trying to assassinate him. his return, riley said, of course, it felt like the entire community was taking policy and that nobody was under any illusions that that was taking place. so that was a bit of a juxtaposition that we had a few weeks ago. sort of, you know, so well into the campaign that gave a little bit of a hand about a differential agencies in enthusiasm and see when it's about these 2 candidates in those 2 very important states of north carolina and pennsylvania. they're what we've talked about up to, i mean we have 2 candidates who in theory should be quite high profile, a former president and the current vice presidents there, of course,

incredibly different in their politics and style. yeah, i mean it either way, it's an unfair comparison because nobody can compare with donald trump in terms of profile into when see as america is most talented. so promote the pap. so new arrivals by email mosque himself who will say took place. but in that, in that riley in pennsylvania and got to use to use admiral track, says so even though tomlin harris has a cruise, the vice president, these posts, we know how to use. there was a sense that she was sort of fully known by the american public, vice presidency is open enrollment, which the encompass of it does not have a huge opportunity to, to really create so public profile. i think that was seems to be the case was coming to harrison. that course was one of the weaknesses in her campaigns. it says that hubbard's profile was not fully fledged at the point at which she then jumped into the campaign, and she had so little time then to try to establish

a profile like that in the run up to the selection. so, of course, maybe we kind of getting ahead of us, can you see if this is too early to be like, conducting a post, most of my brother's campaign is not over yet. it is still a possibility that tomlin harris will come out to have a but if she doesn't, then this is really going to be positive that hi smells, i'm and i'm filters the the allegations and recriminations will be flying back and forth within the democratic policy about whether they picked the right person, whether it was little too late, whether joe biden is to blame clean on too long, and whether somebody else who to be in that candidate. but that's for another day right now, because we don't know the result that people here send me pretty excited and they feel pretty comfortable. richard, thank you so much for your reporting. i want to give our audience another taste of this. when some footage of trump campaign party, let's see if we can take a look at what the atmosphere is like their decision. right. martha?

yeah. even that where is this again? you know, so this is also taking place in florida. we bought a crowded room, people gathered excited to hear this feature is coming off. your we haven't talked might be, i must be, or richard had or just wait, then the streets i every day, the early days of the tale. and there we go. are we have a better? there is an excited you better luck and add the excitement building at as large a will and getting set out most likely slip for the speaker. alright, let's check in on our numbers. see where things are stand in terms of the results that we are getting in for that we have pablo, but yeah, we've, i mean we, there's been no shift in the past few minutes. but of course we're kind of federal was happens as well on election night sort of a lot of results come in at once and then we're kind of stuck into sorta moment where nothing really happens and there's, uh oh, well, it's gone. i was going to talk about north carolina anyway. i'll tell you all about

north carolina. so north carolina has gone for donald trump. so that's one of the 7 swing states. we're looking there at the, at how things done nationally at the moment. so $210.00 electoral college votes for cala harris. 230 for donald trump. of course, that number that we're all looking for is that they need to get to is $270.00 each am. and if we look as well at the other swing states, so as i said, north carolina has already gone for donald trump at the moment, george, at 93 percent of the votes counted very tight there. and there's north carolina, 16 electoral college votes. so you know, pretty big prizes as well. 48 percent for comma hire is 51 percent for donald trump . next step is george. as i was saying, 16 electoral college votes as well at the moment. the way things stand it is 48.5 percent for comma hires and 50.8 percent for donald trump.

so yeah, very yeah, very, very tight. and if we go little bit further north, the crime jewel we'll call it is of course pennsylvania. 19 electoral college votes it went to joe biden. in 2020, it went to donald trump in 2016. at the moment, with the 86 percent of the votes counted 48 percent for comma hires 51 percent for donald trump. but of course, that's not jump any conclusions just yet. only 44 percent of votes have been counted in michigan. not looking good for carla harris at 47 percent of the 47 percent for her. their 52 percent. of course for donald trump. but it should, it should really stress that actually if i look at the state of michigan in the big uh, the biggest metropolitan area there, which is of course around the city of detroit. and it is leaning heavily went on

heavily. it's around 54 percent for a kind of harris at the moment in oakland county. and, and also in wayne county, which is where detroit lies. it's over, it's around 68 percent reflecting this trend of the urban center correcting there. but of course, once again, that's not true to any conclusions just at only 44 percent of folks counted in michigan over in wisconsin, 10 electoral college votes. this is of course no the, one of the swing states at the moment, 81 percent of developing countries. once again, donald trump in the lead with 51 percent kind of hires on 47 percent. so wisconsin as well and other one of the states where, you know, they've really spent a lot of time at both candidates at trying to get people to vote. wisconsin at the moment to address standing as does around a 100000 votes in a, in those states. and the last from the course is in the west. and i won't mention

nevada yet because we don't actually have any data on the state of nevada. but our zona, incredibly tied at the moment it over around 51 percent of votes are counted. and there you have it, neck and neck, pretty much neck and neck. in fact, there's around 12000 volts in it at the moment in arizona. let's not forget the back in 2020. it was a similar scenario. in fact, it ended up going to joe biden. any one by slavery. i believe it was around 11000 votes back then pablo really get even nail biter we were promised. we are certainly in a certain i states we really are young earlier, you were saying that with the way things are looking come on, harris would really need michigan and wisconsin to pick up those to swing states in order to win this whole thing to get to 270 and having just looked at those numbers, where do you think we stand at this point? i mean, michigan, as we heard has less than half the votes counted. which means that there is

considerable uncertainty there. that doesn't seem to be the case in wisconsin. that doesn't seem to be the case in pennsylvania either, even though we all know that pennsylvania will come in late. so i, i think she needs to have those 3. and 2 of those are quite uncertain. this is what keeps the door open for her. you know, if the, if those were going, you know, anywhere near the trend that we've seen elsewhere then on the door is no longer open. but at this point it's of us and we do have some other news coming in something we haven't been talking about a walk a lot tonight, but no less important. it's of course, americans not just voting for president, but also for members of the house of representatives for members of the senate for their congress, people who will be hugely influential in passing the policies of for future president. pablo um, what is the latest that we have here? well, it's good night for the republicans when it comes to the senate. in fact, is saying that the republicans of actually reclaimed this. and of course, this was controlled by the democrats and it's now gone to the republicans. so of

course, depending on who the president is, that could also be an interesting situation for the united states. we also have to see how the highest representatives does as well. tonight, yeah, as you said, was that it had been narrowly controlled by the direct rocks now 18 projecting, saying the republicans have reclaimed that. that's right. without break this down for us. uh how, how important is this going to be for any future administration? i mean, this is a huge deal because this will dictate what kind of bills might go up for a vote that might be on the presence agenda. bills can originate in either the house or the senate, but to have the senate switch to republican control shows that you've got a legislative body that's more willing to work with the president. we saw, especially in the house of representatives, a lot of law jam. between the different parties as they tried to pass legislation

and the republicans at the time, really, you know, domain up the works. we saw the big bill to get ukraine aid that was tied to immigration reform that was gummed up by republicans. and donald, for under donald trump borders, he actually said, i want this to happen so that i can be the one that solves integration when i get an office. so let me show, i think it's not unexpected that the senate goes to the reform seriously. it was predicted. yeah, it was one of the earliest predictions that was around in this, in this cycle. yeah. so congress holds the purse strings. um, is it possible to say yeah, i'm just curious what you, what you think, even though this was predicted what it says to you that you see the senate now projected to have up and reclaimed by republicans. i mean, for a foreign policy person, the senate always matters a little more than the house of congress. yes. the house of representatives, i mean to send it is key, you know, for, for a key nominations, you know, especially in the form policy operettas. you know, for investors and, and, and,

and the high ranking, you know, folks in the state department. so we always looked at this, you know, if, if, if trump gets a follow up majority in the senate, then these confirmations will go through smoothly that i think that at least can be expected. that is a big plus for him in terms of implementation of his lunch. and, you know, as we talked about this earlier that, you know, in his, in his, in his previous term, you know, met, met many of the grown ups and the beach state as he always said, you know, kind of kept his agenda from being implemented. if you have that followup majority and can bring his political appointees into office quickly because the senate rushes them through, that implementation will be much easier for him. and if kind of le harris vice president harris does, indeed, when the presidency at the end of the day, what would a republican senate mean for her was that means the exact opposite would be much more difficult. she would have to send a different set of candidates to the senate so that they even have a chance of being appointed and passed. and so you know this, this, the senate issue is, is an important issue. i'm not just for the general legislation but also for

staffing. yep. ministration. thank you so much for that problem. we do have another update not from the associated press now as i understand, but i think still worth mentioning, can you bring this up to speed here? so really, i'm glad that you mentioned that it's not from the associated press, but cnn is projecting a win for donald trump in the state of georgia. so that would be a pretty big upset. i think for a camera hired, she had been painting her hopes on winning. yeah, georgia and i think we think saving us. so of course it is. i'm, we've been keeping a close eye on it. it's 16 uh 16 back electoral college votes going in the state of georgia. so if uh, we'll keep an eye on on whether that actually is uh what a p decides with at the moment it does look like it's, it's kind of going to donald trump. yeah. i mean, how many, how many boats are on the line with the minus 16 electoral college votes at the moment? it's 50.8 percent for donald trump. 48.5 percent is around

a $120000.00 volts in it at the moment. and that's what 93 percent of the votes counted. so yeah. michelle, your reaction, i would wonder if this is accurate. what, where she was soft in terms of comma harris. this really is the state that had reliably been providing that we potentially was going to go for her. so what was the messaging that didn't resonate was the economy? did. blackman and latino men come out and vote for her? so these are the post mortem questions. i would have, i think still a little bit too early for the past model. yeah. hops um, but the invitation certainly not good for the democrats at this stage. not good at all in the evening. let's take another look at that trump election party. they are merely celebrating who answers as the georgia, 16 electoral vote dream big. again, all different things are picking up. people are sharing point 9 to filming the

moments, and you can see the red america has as they celebrate. presumably that is one of our newest from cnn community that they are projecting the election. i think it's an interesting stadium in any respect at the state of georgia like we've been talking tonight. i mean, just looking here at, at about time. and at the moment, the atlanta at the base of the metropolitan area, which is, you know, where the big population center, you know, heavy liens, democrat, i mean, if you look, it's like the, it's the case in, in a lot of states, the u. s. right, particularly besides who, which would vote say, republican, but actually you look at the big cities and the case of georgia is a funny one. i think in 90 respects an interesting one because like i mentioned before, demographics are playing a big part and this is the state that has attracted a lot of people from different parts of the united states. and it's essentially shifted at to a purple state, not by the looks of things. yeah. but also state where there were a lot of legal challenges and issues in the last elections. let's take,

we'll come back to this conversation in just a moment. first though, with the gap in the swing states razor fin, or having had it been razors. and both republicans and democrats had been preparing legal strategies to try to help them get the results that they want. so 1st, let's take a look at what lawyers have been up to and how all this might affect the results. working for every vote, even if but in the battleground state of michigan. it hasn't just been about getting voters to the polls that matters this year. there's also a fight to legally define which both count after the ballots are cast. across michigan and other swing states, republicans and allied groups have filed well over a 100 lawsuits to limit the number of votes that can be counted. they say that's necessary to fight election fraud the trumps allies falsely claim, or if it is lost to joe biden. and 2020 was due to voter fraud. but courts rejected

over 60 lawsuits, filed by republican allied lawyers after the election. many of the suits cited conspiracy theories. and some of the lawyers involved including former new york mayor rudy giuliani lost their legal licenses after avenue. but it's clear why so many republicans have been pursuing this strategy. with the closely divided the electorate in the swing states getting some ballots disqualified, could swing the election. let's take a look at the republican strategy and 3 key states, michigan, pennsylvania and arizona. in michigan, the republicans have targeted voter registration efforts. they've tried to disqualify mobile voting sites like vans, meant to make it easier for voters and underserved areas to cast a ballot and they worked to tighten restrictions on may when ballots. similar efforts are underway in pennsylvania with republican last it's challenging mail

voting rules and the ability of voters to correct mistakes on their ballots. for instance, filling in the wrong date in arizona, the republicans have filed one of their most aggressive challenges. arguing that courts should be able to toss out election results if irregularities are detected. those irregularities cover so many possibilities that a potentially huge number of votes could be disqualified. democratic campaign, lawyers are fighting or have promised a fight. each of these suits challenges to those rulings. you could send one or more cases all the way to the supreme court, which has 3 members appointed by republicans candidate donald trump and has favored him in recent decisions. and that could mean that the results of the election won't be known for some time. the meanwhile, over the past 4 years, the republican legal strategy has convinced many in their base and beyond that the voting system is fundamentally corrupt. trump,

himself has threatened to jail election officials as well as political opponents if he wins. and if you lose, as he said, he won't accept the results. that's a road america has been down before on january 6th, 2021. but this time around, it could lead somewhere different. so all about legal challenges. i mean, it'll be interesting to see if the night continues trending the way that it has been, it seems to be the momentum in favor of the republicans. what kind of legal challenges we might see uh, does anybody have any comments on what you would expect to see from the harris campaign it's it's really been something has been more framed in terms of trump's team. hasn't that? well is past is predictive of the future. the harris campaign likely will if there are really close results, say within point 5 percentage of each other, i can imagine that they would definitely delay conceding the race until after those

recounts were made. so i, i don't necessarily see comma harris, a queen trump and saying that the election was stolen and we'll have, that seems to be very trump line. um, but yeah, well, we'll just have to wait and see. i only think that if it's really close, would we see any kind of delay tactics from the harris can be? and what does it say to you on that? we've seen no sign of donald trump yet tonight's no, no claiming a victory. none of the preemptive attempts to call the race that harris campaign was so afraid of. i think you said that earlier the momentum seems to be on his side. so he likes to let it go and flow in his direction. and so, you know, this is, you know, the number of the images are in his favor. so no need for him to interfere. um, you know, as a matter of fact, perhaps better to wait and, and, and, and keep a little bit of tension, india. and then have a triumphant entry later on, you know, a 4 years ago, as we've heard from michelle,

he had reason to come in early because he wanted the count to stop because the momentum was not on his side. this time it's the other way around. so he keeps out there, the mysterious winner of the, you know, keeping himself around and then, you know, coming with an even bigger special on the stage later on. i think that makes complete sense. and in this position that he's in at the moment. all right, let's get back across to florida and our chief international editor, or richard walker, who's been reporting there for us throughout the night. i understand he's been speaking with republicans, richard over to you. oh yeah, that's right class. so we are here at the west side cuban restaurant in little havana in miami, and we are here with kevin cooper, and he is the vice chair of the miami dade republican party. so kevin is going to join us. it took a little bit about a, his view of the selection. but kevin, 1st of what we've been here all night, this has been a huge part to you if we can just maybe kind of move past the trust slide for once

. or we see how many people are assembled here, so we'd be newer on that is being loud and you can also smell this a gospel. yeah. so that's will tell us a little bit about this problem because this is a kind of iconic spot in politics in miami, as well as in food. right? you cannot get elected unless you visit for sites. every president has come here with donald trump was indicted in miami. as soon as he left the jail as you came directly here. hi toppy at the window you. this is a chronic miami spot. and as you see tonight, it's a meeting point for celebrations. when they're good things going on with those protests going on for size, the spot you want to be at. and the cuban community in miami has traditionally being a republican community. yeah, i mean, to tell me a little bit about that for people who, who don't know that story. so it's a traditionally cuban, which means different sizes, the cuban community, they traditionally republican community, that dates back to the john f. kennedy administration and the exit from when people's a refugee is leading from cuba. but they loved the message to the republican party, a freedom of growth of opportunity, opening

a business in this country and growing and expanding per site is a great example of that. started with one small building that includes several buildings and more buildings. they own the restaurant across the street. they own restaurants, all over miami, that's the american dream. and that's the republicans. and so right now we were in the midst of a selection night, but things seem to be going crumbs way. what's your current take on the scituate? he's going to when you want here in miami dade, he's wondering across the country. the results are not fully and yet, but we see that trajectory people are not bind. tom was message, they're rejecting it and they're gonna reject it tonight. and what do you put that down too big? you say problems messages are going to get through but, but a lot of people have singled out issues that really plays the tone in front of the vantage. whether it's the economy or whether it's immigration. would that be issues that you think that have really kind of a slightly selection problem? what is your economy, the economy, the economy, it's almost smoke about everything but the economy, the gas prices are through the roof. the cost of food is through the roof. the costs of buying a home is through the roof,

and people want relief from the fight in slash tunnel. a policies not towards the democrat to a stress, the inflation has been there kind of a global phenomenon. we know that in many pas as well. certainly in europe, in germany, it's also being the hit that sabre worse here far worse here. just just understands . and it's, it's not limited only to the issue. it's the leadership on that issue. tamela has offered no solutions, drove by it is offered no solution. they're not talking about these issues. one person is talking about the economy and making america great again. and that's true . you can give me kind of categories. she doesn't have one, she doesn't have a plan, she doesn't have a message and people understand that. and so they're walking away from it. so let's say this, this election is going to trump. yeah. so let's, let's kind of think a little bit too to what happens next. i've been talking to quite a lot of people in the crowd here. and you kind of have a bit of a range of people. you have some people who are kind of calling to the, the mag and movement that make america great. can move and, and saying that,

you know, from aggression he's kind of cooling comedies, is the key to making america's successful. and there are others who is saying that gets exaggerated. the real person is, is not quite as hot as those that the, that, that he's a, he's a man with hot and that they would like to see him maybe self into his ads a little bit in the 2nd some. where do you stand on that? what kind of a trump would you like to see in that from the 2nd time is that is what we're going to get. some, i want the same chapter wasn't the 1st term and the one who ran for president, there's only one donald trump, right? so people like to think that there's different trumps. there's only one trump, it's a trump. they gave us the largest tax code in american history, davis peace in the middle east, who brought back our economy after the years of, of obama. that's what people want. and they're voting for it again in record numbers and you're seeing here tonight, miami dade county for the 1st time since 1988 since 1980 elected a republican president, particularly cuz they're fed up with the policies of the, of the democrat party. and to so many views around the world that they're

a little healthplex 5 to come back of donald trump because they so january the 16, 2020 they. so it's, it's a k also happens on that day and they're asking themselves, how can somebody come back from that? what's your answer to that? do you think made mistakes on that day, or do you think he's somehow vindicates, the democrats will use whatever they can to attack him. look, they've tried to impeach him. they've tried to imprison him. he was recently shot. you know that the, what the enemy is willing to do to you is limitless. and this present came back from it. i think the best way to show why this was political was the fact that it kept inviting him over and over and over again and suing him over and over again. $1000000.00 judgments, $1000000.00 judgments. at what point does it become less of a legal issue and more of a harassing issue, where you have a guy who took the documents, who had documents he was allowed to have. donald trump was allowed to have those documents and they want to lock them up for a 100 years for documents use, right. so we allowed to have a 100 years that doesn't happen in the united states of america. that happens in

3rd world countries where you lock up, your opponent and you throw away the key, but not in america and the american people saw it. and they said, no, we're not gonna believe not. i mean, so we need to wrap up in just a moment, but of course the democrats have pushed back very hard against the suggestions that the assassination attempt on donald trump's life had anything whatsoever to do this . i just, i think i should advantage. right. that invests you as around the well in europe of our agents are last quick questions about donald trump potentially kind of selling out ukraine, given the will that is going on that you know, essentially caving to it. so we deal with side of my present. what do you say to that is something that you put, is that something that you follow from your patch here? i'm sorry. i don't have a foreign policy before policy experts. i that's something that the president will answer for and, and give you an explanation on fair enough given okay. thanks to kevin cooper here in little havana, in miami and back to you back of a split. thank you so much for that really interesting interview there. richard,

that's richard walker, our chief international editor, reporting from florida as so back to our panel here in the studio in berlin. looking, looking at what we've set appears to be momentum in terms favor at this point. i want to put the question to both of you, where you think vice president harris has message has fails to resonate with voters . michelle, we can start with you there. first of all, i want to talk about personality. if but, and you were mentioning this before, you on like trump has one of the best known brands in the world. he's so well known and for, for her to catch up in a matter of just months to that kind of name. recognition is really tough. and understand what she stands for was really tough for her to communicate and that amount of time. and i think that she did a really good job in talking about 2 issues about democracy, the state of democracy in america. and what happened on january 6th of 2021 that

and she she considers and has called trump a fascist, that he's in it for the power of him for his interest rather than for the american people that was really strong. also what's happened with abortion rights? there's a lot of women in america who are very concerned about their health, their daughter so. but yeah that's, that's what i would say. what about? yeah, very briefly on. yeah, i mean, she decided in the beginning after she was nominated to run as a generic democrat not as come out of harris initially. but as a generic democrats embracing pretty much the standard items on the list that you would expect from a democrat. and i think in the beginning that made a lot of sense because she just basically was thrown into the water. but the longer that last that the less convincing that became because you need to be come out of harris at some point. and i think she was very reluctant to take, you know, very decisive positions beyond those 2 core items that the democrats, of course, i like. and then i think that's 11 thing she never really built that profile. i

think you can go to the streets and ask people what her message was, the one coming out of his message, a lot of people will not know, but they will know withdrawn from the academy is the issue. she was up against this, you know, above again, as i said earlier, the, the felt democracy, what people think the, uh, the, the, the economy is like, the felt economy is much worse than the real economy. and that's her problem. she tried to sell a different story than work. yeah, and thank you for that. just before we go, let's get a quick recap of where we stand. all trump appears to be pushing closer to victory is located process. trump has won the swing state of north carolina and according to other projections, he has also clinched georgia. that of course, being in other crucial swing states, harris has won the state of virginia as expected. the race is coming down to the 7 battleground states of pennsylvania, michigan, arizona, wisconsin, and nevada is still up for grabs the race still too close to call. meanwhile, the republican party has taken control of the senate, picking up seats in ohio,

and west virginia. and want to thank our fantastic panel, young push out michelle stockman and pablo fully aliya as a for your insights today. and thank you so much for watching. we will be back after a short break. all right, the

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