installing our services, be our guest at frankfurt and bought cd manage by from bought the the hello and welcome back to a special edition of your news live from berlin. with the roland coverage of the us selection director sent in for lyn. we're going be taking you through all the latest twist and turn. we're one of the millions of people around the world. watching results coming in as the united states is at the press, the fest have decided to go in one of 2 very different directions will be elect a vice president, cala harris or former president donald trump, to become the 47th president of the united states. well, we can say that polls are now closed in all 7 battleground states of georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania, michigan, arizona, wisconsin and nevada,

both counting under way. and we're here to bring you the very latest with a fabulous panel with a view from europe. it's a round of introductions, we have 2 new people joining me and pablo fully leah's at the big table. if you've been watching, you know that he is bringing us our results as they come in state by state try. i'm also very pleased to welcome from the w, my colleague, stephen beardsley for the analysis problem. good morning wanting to see it. and also we have a jessica, you know, has a historian always useful to have on hand sarah or the department of history at the f o university in berlin. very nice to see you. thank you. so let's get straight into it. pablo can you give us an update? i haven't updated the latest just from the last few minutes. and that is that the state of georgia has been called by a p for donald trump. so at joe biden, of course, one, georgia back in 2020. so that's a big upset for at the hires campaign. of course, this is following on from north carolina,

which was also called earlier. and that is the state that has also gone to donald trump. a little bit less of a surprise, perhaps in at north carolina. the last time it went, democrats was back in 2008. we're keeping a close eye on that. of course. the other swing states at the moment, pennsylvania, which is also at looking to be headed in the direction of trump. but of course, it's very early days, they're in pennsylvania, michigan at the moment. also around 60 percent of the votes counted in the state of michigan. also leaning towards trump, wisconsin to rent 85 percent of the votes counted there. and also just trump is in a, in a slight, be there at west, at arizona, very, very tight. it's, it's actually there's around $10000.00 volts in it at the moment in arizona. trump slightly ahead. and finally, we're getting some resulting from nevada. at 6 electoral college votes there at the

moment, donald trump in the lead to with around 75 percent of the votes counted a problem. we've now got these 2 spring states, georgia and north carolina. both been called by the associated press in favor of donald trump. mm hm. i guess, and we're now at the point where we can do a post mortem of comma harris's campaign in georgia, a steven you from georgia from the state. can you tell us where and you think her message failed to resonate or what trump brought to the table there? she couldn't. i mean, it's hard to say, i would imagine that in georgia, it probably trends it like a lot of other states where we've seen trump perform his outperformed himself from 2020 and the democratic candidate in this case, couple of harris under performed what democrats did in 2020. you also have to remember that in georgia in 2020, there were 2 big senate races that brought a lot of people out to the polls. you know, georgia state where since i grew up there and in the, in the years that have that have a, the past, it's become much more cosmopolitan,

has become much more you see larger, gave populations moving into atlanta for example. a lot of the metro area is really built out. you see an african american population that has expressed itself more and more in the polls that has come to serve as a counterweight to a very traditional white boat that actually used to be democratic, traditionally, solidly democratic when the democrats were against civil rights. and a lot of positions that aligns southern states, it didn't switch to republicans really beginning in the late nineties to thousands and us remain solidly that way. so 2020, whether that was an outlier, whether that was because of the candidate at that time, whether it's because the senate raises. that's really difficult to say. but the underlying demographics haven't necessarily changed that much. it is a strong man and i see particular about around females, voters, the older and younger voters, the promise of a man who is going to protect not just america, but who's going to protect the women, even if they don't want to be protect, it doesn't really matter, but that seems to be on the emotional level, a very,

very powerful message. and that i think that democrats could not really match equally because kyla harris has been very explicit on, i'm not running as a woman, i'm not running as an african american. i'm not running, i'm running as somebody who brings people together. and so that wasn't really a match for that particular message. so i think that's pretty strong foreign policy wise. we've already talked about this tonight. i, i think he's, he's tried to distance himself from the democratic party or the democrats outlook on particular focus points in the united and in the world. but at the same time, he has been very clear and it doesn't really matter in the context of the us election. so i would really stress economy and the role of women in this election that's really fascinating to hear. now, for viewers um watching at home, you can see in the upper right hand corner of your screen there, feed from watch party get some reaction to the as late as news that's just come in

about georgia and north carolina. those 2 key swing states being called by the associated press in favor of trump. we are expecting to see the former president speak at some points, but that's just to give you a sense of the flavor of the evening as things develop for now the, steven, maybe you could just set the stakes. how important are the results of this election and, and what is at stake for american democracy? yeah, i mean, that is one of the questions, right? i mean, you read some of the meetings here in germany where we are and there is a very particular take. you know, america, at the abyss, i think was one of the, the head articles for the main magazine, a dish beagle here. and there is this sense that democratic democracy as a stake here. and while i find maybe that's a bit too much to say, this isn't going to be a dictatorship. it's ushered in by any means. there are obviously threats to

institutions here. i think that's something that a lot of people are concerned about. and jessica can obviously speak to this as well for me is the story ins when's, but you know, it's, donald trump has been very clear that he wants to change even further. the amount of exec, exec, executive power that exist in the united states. right. there's a, there's shared power between the legislature or the executive in the supreme court as well. we've seen the supreme court is much more favorable to conservative ideas right now based on his current makeup. we know the executive over decades, you know, centuries is jessica to probably say, has gotten more and more powerful. and what we're seeing now is that there is this will and desire to take more of those leaders and put them in the hands of the executive of the president. so for example, department of justice, which he feels very agreed towards because of investigations in the f, b i because of prosecutions that he's facing. he wants that to be more under his control. that's, that's something that he's made very clear. and that's something that his clothes advisors want to make happen as well. so that would mean then that we could potentially see political persecution. as we can see political investigations and

a worst case scenario. that's something that, that his supporters have made very clear. his advisors made very clear that they're interested in his bringing the department of justice really as an independent is the actually more under the control of the white house. right now you have the d o j department of justice with investigations into president joe biden for his handling of classified security classified material. you have an investigation to his son hunter button. and so that is hard to imagine under a trump presidency, those would be no go areas that you could have a, a, a department of justice to stand. so alone from the white house that is able to investigate or at least create special councils to look into the president to look into the presidents on that shows you the degree of separation you have right now. and the traditionally have had and that's something that, that clearly made a target. and so to me that is one of the biggest danger points. when people talk about the dangers to american democracy, you see that kind of the, the lack of institutionalization that unwinding of that institutionalization. i'm

sure it's got the historians view here. jessica, what will the book say about this on this? because there are 2 things that are pretty special about what you just described. one is said, yes, it's true. the american executive has overtime become stronger and stronger. but typically we always have the crisis points, right? civil war or well one, the great depression or the 2nd world war, some sort of crisis. that's not really the case here. trump is simply assuming a once to so more power period, that's not an external reason to do so. and the other thing is, what i find curious about trump said he has always been promising voters more states right and more decentralization at the same time he is vying. so over k for a central power. what is deep stating there that he has wrecked? and he believes that is where this tipping point, i'm curious if that really goes beyond his core believers though and into a wider mainstream of electorate here in the us. and that i don't know for the money, you mean among yours, outside of the united states in the u. s. for example,

because obviously his core believers have a strong belief in this idea of the deep state, right? that it has been set up against him that is led by the judge is led by these persecutions, these prosecutions i should say, into him against him as to what extent i wonder, is the larger electorate willing to buy this to the extent that they would see the d o j become weaponized to some extent. that's not what would be interesting and probably i've really been part of the campaign, right? what the campaign has been very much about what you just said, the, the kind of the idea of what the deep state that needs to be combative or that needs to be defied. what he really wants to do, i think, is what many voters aren't really interested in. right. so i think that's interesting and that's what, that's what be interesting to see as we go forward. if he wins this conversation, i understand we have some comments coming in. that's right, we've got lots of comments coming. i'm glad you guys are. if you told me this, because we actually have had a question about the us democracy and what it means going forward. if donald trump actually does become the president, we've been just talking about that, but another, a lot of comments are coming in about an ukraine. i'm want

a trump presidency could mean for at ukraine on the us as relationship with ukraine . and of course, and i don't, stephen was we can only judge by what he said, what he's settling campaigns, real, what he's done in the past as well. and both of those things don't point in the favor of you. frankly, he's rarely had a bad thing to say about russia and about its leaders not important. and this is the case, obviously where russia is the aggressor and ukraine. so we can only imagine that he's going to look with favor upon the russian side. he's also set on the campaign trail that he wants to in the war. i think that has resonated with voters when it comes to foreign policy. to the extent that foreign policy really resonates with american voters, which is also arguable. but when it comes to ukraine, i think there is a concern that there's too much money being spent, that it needs to be wrapped up. and he said that he will, of course, create a great big deal for both of them that they'll both be happy with what that means remains to be seen, but given his affinity to, to lot of improvement. i think we have to wonder and assume there's not gonna be in

favor of the premiums. yeah, we're just seeing actually images there on our screen at the moment tackling from our logo cuz we're gonna be here. oh, fun greatness. excuse me. from palm springs at the moment, um and uh, we'll be keeping an eye on what's going on there, but it's interesting what you were saying, steven? there about ukraine. i want to continue the conversation. how do you see it? i totally agree. he has been very clear, but i want to end the war and ukraine is as if he could. i think what he would do is he would essentially go to a lot of me and put in and hand them that on best and say this is going to be it. you're going to get what you want. that way you can say face. and for that to end the war and i keep my face and that would be the end of it from his perspective, but not for of our blogging me and putting of course. and so this is the disputed region in absolutely. right? yeah, exactly, exactly. so i pretty much agree with what you say, what that means for the rest of europe in particular, what that means for the future of ukraine. so of course, up in the air. yeah,

let's pick that up. what does it mean for the future if you're up has been a lot of concern and a lot of quarters in berlin and then more widely about what a future trump administration with holes? yeah, i think, i think 1st because of ukraine, but then also, and then these are overlapping, of course, what it means for nato. and us has led all native nations for donations to ends. money spent on ukraine, germany come seconds. there's always been a need traditionally by european nations, we've seen to really follow the u. s. and it's 4 steps in terms of these commitments. these pledges, especially in germany, at least in the, the 1st couple of years they needed the us to make those big commitments before they were willing to make them as well. we've seen that change somewhat. we've seen that dynamic shift a little bit, but there is still a lot of reluctance here, especially among voters, especially amongst the electric here. we've seen with local elections in germany. that issue has really come out. so on the, on the broader level here in politics. this is getting to be a more, more sensitive issue, which means that there's going to be a lot of trepidations if trump does indeed when for what it means for ukraine and

then what it means for nato. the us essentially the lynch pen of nato. imagining us that is not committed to nato is, is on, is, is unimaginable actually for, for many members. and once you even begin to question the commitments and data, then you might as well take the whole thing apart because it's based on absolute trusts that your partners are going to be there. so he did this a little bit in 2016. his 1st term 2016 to 2020. and there's no reason to believe that he sees it any differently. now he's been very vocal about his, his disagreements with europe and his dislike of the war and ukraine. and he doesn't really have a whole lot of time for nato, frankly, do you think you'll come back and better positions in a 2nd administration? if indeed he does win this election in terms of being able to implement the foreign policy that he wants a, this is a water said, i mean if, if, if this is going to develop like we seem to believe or,

or anticipate this is going to event this going to be a watershed in american foreign policy because for one thing in term 2 terms is going to be much better prepared for anything or everything you have to stated for another. it's used to be that administration. so really didn't differ that much when it came to foreign policy that is gone out of the window as well. so bible was seen as really this kind of stalwart of that kind of cold war sort of air or an after thought, really an after thought. yeah, so i just please thinking about that. i just want to ask you, it's so interesting to me how foreign policy, the role that plays and doesn't play in the american electorate. and i'm wondering if you have any thoughts on that because here in germany, of course we read it for a policy really is the lens through which many people see this, this, this election for obvious reasons. i'm curious how you see foreign policy, especially in this post cold war era in the united united states or the electric perception of yeah, i think even, i mean we, we over estimate, even during the cold war, how interest of the american electorate really well in retrospect,

because it turned out the way it did, we tend to think of it, but even then it was never 1st range. but it has certainly gotten less since and 19 ninety's for any number of reasons. the most important one being foreign policy is incredibly complex, not predictable. and also slightly boring because it involves all these places and actors have, nobody seems to know and nobody really cares much about. i mean, we're talking about south korean, most americans don't even know as south korea is. so i was exactly exactly, and so um, most people, even i talk to, will tell me when they come in on how they voted, will tell me about their personal concern in most latest economy. very few really pay attention even to american foreign policy, which is very shocking. yeah. so bring your back to, to local issues. we have just and looking at the footage from florida from where we are essentially going to see from be speaking in due course. for now,

we want to get across to our correspondence on the ground. benjamin alvarez, approve or has been reporting among some very jubilant from fans. and we'll see if we get an update from him in miami benjamin. good morning. it's good to see you. can you tell us what the mood is like at this point in the accounting of the he is a celebration in miami. its pause 1 am here, but you can see that there's still some people that die that to you a couple of hours ago. a lot of cars driving by there waiting, hear this celebrating in a page there waiting for the candidates to address the supporters at the watch party at west palm beach. but we saw him voting earlier today. we're next to a restaurant that's pretty famous here within the cuban community and also within the latino community. and that's probably also something we'll be talked about in the next couple of days. how well donald trump the same way the dean especially considering also is recognized when it comes to central america with owners and

those comments at the madison square garden valley in new york and everything that follow. but if we look at the recent polls, and that's also very interesting aspect, we're looking at the so called let the new volt that's not a modeling. the majority of latino that were polled reason please don't see themselves insulted personally. when donald trump speaks about latino is when he speaks about mexicans, about people from the side of the road from what they might love. and that will also be interesting when we get the 1st results from arizona and from nevada. because those are a battleground, states where a lot of latinos also vote. but of course, tearing was big here when a p called the 2nd federal ground state for donald trump, to so off to north carolina. also georgia. and also looking at those projects is that the conservatives will have the majority in that senate. so that's also led to

a lot of, of, of issues here in miami. i just wanted to ask you more by filipino voters because you are, you kind of touched on that there, but of course the latino vote has often been talked about as this sort of one entity, you know, but it's not, it's, it's, you know, it's very divided it depends on the state, it depends on, on many factors. can you explain a little bit more about that? of the that's right, but we recently did a documentary on the so called let you know, because of what people tell us, there's no latino voters, latino voting, there's no latino issues. but the american news isn't when you talk to them and see that also within latinos, regardless of its 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation. if it were born in the us, born outside in central america and then moved here, they see themselves as americans. definitely don't say and repeat to be criticized when the complaints for both sides, referring to them is latino book that happened. we also spoke to, to an expert here in miami, a couple of weeks ago. and she said,

if you just speaking spanish and you'd just be couple of migration thinking that they will tell me more about migration than about other top of google, not windows folks, because so many let the you know, the top topics or the economy, inflation and bed 4th, 5th, then we have a the, the thing when it comes to migration. so that's an important thing. it's not a model if they say and, and also when, when you talk to people, i mean, here we've been talking to a lot of people here outside of this campaign is pretty famous. and here in miami, and they said when trump was the president, the economy was doing better looking at inflation, of course, ignoring several factors, but pull them this strong man as donald trump lights to, to present himself is going down pretty well here. and also when you look at the people who come from qu both come from the gut are well and yet when we talk to them and they say no because a couple hours would lead into socialism also when they half as members of the

countries where they came to the other. yeah. okay, we'll leave it there for now. thanks for the update at been coming out of buddy bluebird, joining us from at miami at tonight. i'm not, we're a, so i'm not mistaken. we're going to go to washington. where at the washington bureau chief enos pole, is that standing by 1st? oh no, we're not ready at just yet, but actually i want to put the i just want to put that to the question. what we've just been told that of course, with the latino vote, and it's with, with regards to these uh, swing states that we've seen we've, we've seen uh, you know, the results come in from george. we've seen it in north carolina and with regard to arizona, for example, and that nevada. how important is the latino vote in those states? i mean, i think the latino vote is, is tremendous in those days. i can't give you the numbers right now, but it's, it's obviously known that in areas of the southwest, i mean it throughout the us. but especially in some states it's more important than

others, nevada and arizona would be among them. texas is also incredibly important. florida . these are the traditional states where latino power is really felt and you need to speak to those audiences. the challenges of which of course has been, you mean just just talked about. it's very different. these are not just one monolithic blocked, right. and so you have to be able to speak to normal americans concerns because these are normal americans. and so it doesn't vote in a blog and they're going to need to be more regional issues. are going to be their garden needs be more economic issues. so that has been changing over years to be honest. i mean, this is not the 1st time that we've seen this and that we've really been able to say, this is not a monolithic block. this has been happening for, for quite a while, but it's become more and more apparent. so there's not a political monitor anymore. we need sort of a latino approach. it just doesn't really work that way anymore. you obviously need to be able to speak to certain audiences in a very select way, but it's just not a kind of um, it hits simplified. right?

absolutely, no problem. i think it's probably a good time for those were just joining us if we can just check in on what the latest results are telling us. that's right. well we have one years old which is just come in. we've got a few real results since we last checked in new hampshire has gone to harris to carla harris. i am not much of a shock there. to be honest, that's a pretty term i would say at democratic state. no nebraska, as we mentioned before, is an interesting one because it does have a different way of distributing its votes and earlier we so everyone on their to keeping everyone on their toes. exactly. we saw earlier that actually comma harrison actually managed to pick up one of the electoral college votes there. and now know there has gone, but this time to a president or former president trump. and so we're seeing at not much of a change yet in the 5 other swing states that still haven't got a fund result. of course we already got at georgia and north carolina which have

gone to a donald trump at pennsylvania. it's still counting, also a edging towards trump, michigan to wisconsin, also. and then out on the other side of the country, arizona at pretty much tied in arizona. there's about 15000 votes in it at the moment at donald trump is just edging ahead. and nevada is also looking pretty close, but also edging towards donald trump. thank you for that, pablo. let's see if we can get across the, to our washington bureau chief, you know, as pull reporting from washington dc with the very latest as good morning. good to see you. what do you make of this of these latest results, but this momentum that seems at this point. so clearly to be behind president donald trump, a dan just coming back from holidays university, you know, were kind of the iris was supposed to deliver her victory speech. um, one of her campaign managers came out and said nothing will happen tonight. but she

will come out tomorrow, of course, the harris complaints us. we are still waiting until the last load is counted. but people are really devastated up there and they're leaving campus. and i think this is pretty much the more to you for all the democrats, because it doesn't look good for them. i mean, the senate is last. we know that and important spring states like georgia and other important places, north carolina went to the republicans. so the motor is very bright in the drum camp, of course, but on the other side, in the democratic camp, people just can't believe that a convicted felon. that someone who is saying in public that's it, wouldn't mind of reporters i getting shot. who says that a politicians could be shot and he wouldn't mind that someone like that is very, very likely to become the next president of the united states. so this just class

shows how deeply divided this country is. and it will be very interesting to see if there is a chance, if there is a pos for the american people to find a white way out of this divisiveness. and to come together in this very difficult to kind of time when you look at all the huge conflict around the world, you know, tell us a little bit about the congressional races. we haven't covered this so much in our coverage, but it's perhaps equally important. as you've mentioned, the ac calling the senate for the republicans also allies will be on the house of representatives. what would a republican controlled congress mean for either candidates and efforts to pass their policies? yeah, this is something kind of which is very if it's probably too little on our radar. and it is a little complicated to explain it to an international audience. but you know, we always talk about the presidency, you're talking about the house,

but there are these 2 chambers is the house of representatives and the senate and the bite and administration had descended the majority in the senate, a very minor or little majority, but they had the majority that didn't have the majority in the house, and this time it is, it's donald trump. and so let's put it that way. he will not only have the white house, he will not only have a kind of a joints impact due to influence on the supreme court. it also already has to send it in might even within the house of representatives. and this gives him a huge amount of power to put through legislation, which he needs to the house of representatives and to send that as well on his side . so this is this, that, that the, that the republicans took the senate away from the democrats is already you, which when, even before, we know if donald trump really will become the next president, is there still a path to victory for vice president campbell,

a harris when you look at the state of the numbers of the spring states that we've seen called so far. is there still a way that she could clench the deal a ca originally. but it's practically, i think, you know, if the look like how the mood isn't all these very kind of important pockets, i shall say all over the country. it's all in favor of donald trump and you guys talked about it on the, on the, on the table, which i really enjoy listening to. congratulations to a very interesting conversation conversation there. did you know the important groups of latino voters of african that will flag borders of african american voters? it's the overall, the important group of male voters who are supporting dollars on they once someone obviously as a leader who has this kind of much will attitude and become a leg. it's a good kind of, of course, was hoping that the issue of reproductive rights of abortion rights would bring

enough women out to board and would kind of compete this. uh, this is match to as intuitive. i might say like that, but obviously it's a donald trump was more successful to bring out to support us. i mean this would be a huge victory for, for michael republicans, i could very much reshape the fabric of american democracy. what are you hearing there in washington? dc from people in government and policies are goals about what this would mean this yeah, that was a huge concern in the democrats. it comes, you know, there is this project 2025. i mean donald trump try to distance themselves. so from, from it, but it's pretty much mapping out really a, a change of the understanding of the united states as, as, renew it. he's opened the speaking of bonds, kind of fighting people who do not agree with him. the ones once really to change

us or say of a parent fabric of off offices, he will probably put in his people in very important positions without like following like the regular processes. so it is really if he wins the white house and control, so send his and maybe even the house plus the supreme court. there is so you would fear him that he in the united states that the country as of the world, knew it might look very different in a couple of years. you know, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed there. that is our washington bureau chief, you know, as pull so donald trump does appear to be interesting, closer to victory. the associated press says a trump has one, georgia and north carolina, 2 of the rueful swing states that will determine the outcome of the us selection of both are still being counted by comma harris now has only a very narrow path to prevent from, from making a come back from the republican party,

has also seized control of the senate slipping 2 seats to overturn a narrow democratic majority. and very briefly, back to pablo, just to check in on the details. anything else coming, coming through, where did the numbers leave us? wherever i look at the overall, that's right. we looked at the overall tale at the moment donald trump is, is edging towards the $270.00 mark that we've been keeping an eye on. he's up to 147 at the moment to 214 from comma hires, but of course we should s dot s. some of those big ad swing states still haven't actually have declared their fund results yet. so while it's not looking good for a capital harris at the moment it's, it's not over yet. yeah. let's get across to dc to our correspondent janelle, doing a loan for the view from howard university were comma harris's having or her watch party at the university. she attended, janelle, good to see you. looks pretty empty where you are yes. clara

that cabella harris watched party is uh, pretty much over on the i heard, you know, as earlier they're saying that a campaign adviser of the harris campaign, cedric richmond did come out and tell the assembled crowd that capital harris will not be appearing. it has to be said that earlier there had been this expectation for me that you will speak at howard to night. of course, those would have been unprecedented before result that is not common for candidates to come out and speak before a result has, has been a now and so has been called. but so they were expecting to anyway, there was also a lot of speculation as to what you might say, what you're going to tell them to be patient. but know they definitively know how come to harris not coming and color harris who's going to be at howard university. but they said that uh cedric richmond. that is, he said that every vote will be counted 2 nights and they are still counting on the

support of camelot harris, the voters to keep watching throughout the night. now, of course uh this everyone has pretty much laughed. as you said, it's pretty empty, especially that results or from george being called was especially sad to accommodate. however, supporters here has to be noted that george off was one of those states where the democrats were opinions or hopes on especially high a $130000000.00 spent on ads in georgia. there was also a lot of hope that especially reproductive rights could be a galvanizing force for democratic support in georgia, giving that georgia has one of those near total abortion bands. the story of amber thurman, a george, a mother who died after abortion medication complication. so we're after she suffered from abortion medication complications after she had

accomplished after she had a difficulty accessing emergency care in the state. that's thought to have been a story that perhaps inspired more voters to come out who care about reproductive rights to vote that to, that, of course, did not happen. george, i went to donald trump. that is something that the supporters here have have taken quite hard. janelle, thank you so much for bringing us up to speed there is janelle jim alone for us in washington dc after having just been at that large party at howard university. thank you. i want to pick up a right where janelle left off with you jessica. this, this issue of abortion, it was massive for com layers is campaigned, it was a promise and, and even of the state of georgia, whereas she says there's very restrictive abortion laws. it wasn't enough to swing voters or what's going on there. it's too divisive. the issue itself is to devise if i think this is really what it is. and i um, saw a lot of, um, coverage on women who kind of bought into her point,

but still republican because they feel to prove pressure in their own community is just too large. and so maybe this capitalizing on the few issues that we have been talking about by the economy and abortion. and this is not running as a woman at the same time. or it's just too complicated for voters to buy into house . just the message wasn't clear enough and it was due device if at the same time stephen, you also think that's where things went wrong for the harris campaign. i think it's fair to say, i think there was definitely a to z as a deficit. they thought this would be something that rallied their people and they believe that impact selections, for example, the mid terms that they, that the republicans were punished on this issue. the voters have been very clear that this is a concern for them, and it just didn't pan out as much as they had hoped. i wanted touch back on something that is pointed out with the congressional races here. it does look like the senate. it's confirmed, the senate should go over to their public and sell the house is still up for grabs

. whatever happens is going to be very, very close. so, you know, even if nominally this is all in republican control, these congressmen and congresswoman will have a lot of power individually because they can leverage concessions on whatever legislation they want. you can ask joe biden about this. he's had plenty of experience with very powerful senators. even congressman in the house who have, who basically force him to shift his desires and his goals as well. it's not going to be any different with uh, with donald trump. there are republicans who are skeptical of him. there are those who have to win, obviously re election in 2 years, and they will be afraid that they're going to be punished in the mid terms. it'll be another election 2 years if republicans overreach them, then they could face the same set back that they faced in the past. the democrats are facing right now. so given how close these, these margins are in, in the legislature, it's not in a sure deal. there's going to be some sweeping legislation. it's just going to cruise through congress and then go to his pit. it's gonna make it easier for him to get what that done, what he wants to get done, but you know,

it's gonna be close. now, if the house goes to the democrats, how much of a block could they put up against republican look? just ation. it's hard to say because again, then it's going to be also so close. you know, it, when the in congress, especially in the house, it's, you know, you have those who congress with the democrats, that means that they vote with the party on it's prep preferred line. but they may come from very conservative districts that mean, that means they have to really think about every vote and how it's playing back at home. and it's just not as simple as saying, well, you have a di next to your name. you're a democrat, you can have a boat this way on the issue where you have an ard, you're gonna vote this way. and that's especially true in the house, more than in the senate, where in the senate, if a 6 year term, you have a bit more time to really care about what you want. you're not going to get punished in the next year or the next or the year after that in the house, you have a 2 year term. so guess what? you really gotta be on guarding. gonna be very sensitive to what's going on. and so that means that any margin, whether the republicans of the house or whether the democrats have the house it's, it's pretty, it's, it's similar, a lot of ways the republicans will have control of how legislature moves through

that house. that will be key. but when it comes down to the votes themselves, it's not going to be so straightforward. yeah, jessica, looking at the way things i think we can say at this point are trending now. very much in favor of donald trump. i mean, this has been something that's been dreaded in europe for many years and what it will mean for it's future. how do you think europe and leaders are looking at the results coming in right now? first of all, i'm a firm believer of waiting to the and i, i would very much like us not to have a kind of swan song conversation, not over until that's over. no, let's presume. let's really. i mean, we've seen some very close elections in the last 25 years and we've seen election results shift at the very last minute. and as much as trends may go this way, or that way, that's keep in mind, we're not quite done yet here yet. but i do are not sure what color does a hit it says on, but still, but you're right. i see at least in western europe. i'm not so sure about eastern europe and i'm certainly not very sure about anything beyond that. i think in

western europe, a lot of leaders are going to be very concerned because they know now and that's something is happening that they have been anticipating and actually know is overdue for a long, long time. which is the kind of restructuring of european foreign policy and security this, this has been kind of on the table for a long time and policy makers collectively, on most of them have put this off for a long, long time hoping for her as to when, because this might enable them to wait even longer, or get into a new sort of policy at least smoother. now it's going to come in very abruptly. we've talked earlier tonight before we joined the table or you did about the draft in germany. for example, a new policy that is going to boost armies around europe in unprecedented degrees. and these are things that none of us would have dreamed about for us or even 8 years ago. yeah. i think that's probably a good time to check in on what our audience wants to hear about is that? that's right, sir. it's also interesting what you're saying, jessica,

speaking to data, we use brussels bureau chief, alexander phenomena about the possibility of donald trump coming in. and she did mention this sort of contingency plan that essentially has been prepared in brussels on by many european leaders and actually 2 that were getting comments on youtube. of course, if you have a lot of viewers following at the coverage that with on dw, at tried the world on youtube, i'm one question is, and europe needs to up it's game. that's one comment that we're getting europe most separate from the united states. i'm part ways with us. and so essentially, could this be an opportunity for europe to sort of strength and itself and not have to heavy rely on the united states, but opportunity sounds very positive, right. and the not the policy makers. i think the problems are the constituents, we don't have populations that are very much in favor of a drastic reversal of foreign policy and security. and i actually was quite

surprised how quickly germans good use to a war that is, and 9 our card drive away from their own border or what the price is. that is what happened really. so, um, what, what is democracies tend to be very slow, liberal democracies tend to be very, very slow. and so what it takes, not just for breast brussels, but for individual the state governments is convincing their populations, their constituents, that change is necessary. and that i anticipate this going to be a very, very difficult task, steve. and perhaps we can get your thoughts there as well. yeah, i mean if it is a fundamental issue of just the, the, the nuclear shield that the u. s. provides for europe traditionally. right. it provides that kind of nuclear. it has a nuclear arsenal that has always covered europe as well. that's part of the nato agreements or the understanding within nato. and that's allowed nations such as germany not to equip themselves. france of course, has warheads, u. k,

does as well. that is a very practical question that keeps coming off that has been coming up since trump's 1st election as well because that is a strategic deterrence when you look at broader sort of geo political situation. and that creates a lot of arguments and very intense questions that europe would face for a very practical level from a broader level. i think the interest of the us and europe have always been seen within the past 7080 years has been seen as overlapping very significantly. and us often finds that when it's steps away from europe, that it's been compelled to to, to repair those relations from a very strategic standpoint. whether it's active in places like the middle east and it needs to have staging bases here in europe. it needs the nato alliance just to provide manpower as well, but to also provide the broader support for what it's trying to do. it's found that traditionally in europe, so the idea of a quick divorce here is, is very unlikely, i think. but you, you do wonder if there, the, that sort of mentality is changing sort of what we talked about, you know, with joe biden. and his arrows ends and john mccain has passed away. you know,

these were the stalwarts of that kind of cold war. american positive said transatlantic relations above all else we sold, you abide year in berlin saying thank you to all shots. the chancellor here, you know this transatlantic, this is important to show these relationships to show this bond. what does it mean a household level the, you know, constituents aren't convinced they just, it's not a bread and butter issue for them until, you know, you start talking about the soviet union or, i don't know, but even russia hasn't really resonated with them. there is this feeling that it's just not america's issue, amongst many people. and i think donald trump has been able to tap into that and it leads to these bigger questions about this alliance. the really, the kind of old guard bipartisan agreement has always said this is important to us, and that seems to be crumbling. and it's a really good at all. i like to add to that if i made it very quickly, that this old guard that you're talking about is not just the old guard, but it's a guard the new war or that had a memory of where it would to and that has really is warm not just much of the cold

war seen, but you're still on the horse. exactly. exactly in that generation is not in power anymore. yeah, that's an important point for those who are just joining us, perhaps you can get from pablo. another overview of how things are looking in different states. what's the state of the electoral college, the race to 270 at the moment. uh donald trump, is that 247? let's not forget that 270 number that claire just said they're kinda harris at 2142 of the there we're seeing it now. there it is. $214.00 for comma hire is $247.00 for donald trump. at dawn terms, of course, as a one, already 2 of the 7 at swing states will call them georgia, of course, picking up the 16 electoral college votes and also winning in north carolina and were keeping a close eye on. we'll call at the crime jewel of all the swing states. that's pennsylvania the. the results could take several days to come in there in

pennsylvania. and at the mo, when we're seeing 94 percent of the folks came to donald trump, ahead on 51 percent. uh, 48 percent, to kinda harris at the moment. there's around $200000.00 vote or difference between pamela harris and donald trump in the state of pennsylvania. but of course, i stress it could take several days there in pennsylvania, although they had said that they were going to be quicker this time than the last time. because there had been, they had taken a while last time at to come with to their final results at moving onto one of the other uh, swing states. and the other big one is michigan where there are 15 an electoral college votes. and at the moment we're seeing 67 percent of the votes are counted there. so less than in pennsylvania. and donald trump,

once again, i had ad, there's around 200000 votes. these 200000 votes ahead. there were 52 percent am on the same goes in wisconsin and another one of these important states for the common hires was banking on waiting at donald trump. also ahead here on 51 percent, 88 percent of the folks captive 10 electoral college votes. and then what we have to do is go a course across to started the country to arizona. it's a little tighter in arizona. there are 11 electoral college votes. the difference is around $17000.00 votes between them at the moment with 51 percent of the votes kind of did were keeping a close eye on maricopa county. that is where at the state capitol phoenix is we seeing a huge shift there actually quite an increase in the population as well in the last 4 years there. that's a state that was firmly red and is now purple. so we'll see which way this goes. of

course, joe biden, one back at back in 2020. and i don't know that we actually have the graphic for it, but i'll mention it in nevada and we have a we do. that's great. we have 6 electoral college votes there and 78 percent of the votes. kinds that i'm seeing, we've got 77 on the graph. and all our data, of course is coming from 8 p. donald trump, the head on 51 percent at the moment. he's a head by around of 40000 votes, 42000 votes at so i will be keeping a close eye on that. on clark county, which is where las vegas is. i'm a cause that will essentially which is where the majority of the population of nevada are based. so we should also say nevada will probably take a while because they also enjoyed well male vote. and there you go. takes a while to tabulate pablo. thank you for that update. so i'm just curious when you look at these results in so many states across united states,

what do you think is behind this lasting appeal of donald trump? yet as for his presidency, he had his fair share of controversies. what do you think makes him large for the can voters? it is surprising particular to europeans because i remember growing up and following american elections. and i was mesmerized. how personality and a clean record would matter and use elections to an extent that is really did not in europe, you know, that force and, you know, i know wedlock and things like that. and donald trump clearly surpasses all of that . and it just doesn't matter. add to that all the legal conundrums and, and accusations. so there is a moment, again, as it wasn't 2016 of disbelief. i think among european commentators at large to make sense of that. i think most of us have reverted to essentially saying it doesn't matter because other things are more important. and that's what we've been

hearing from a lot of voters who vote for trump that they've said, yeah, i know about all this, but either i think this is cool, or i really don't care because it's about other issues such as economy, they're willing to overly into certain things just because they created some of the policy, this is what so hard for europeans to get their head around. why all of a sudden in the span of really one election 8 years ago from the mental truth about electro behavior or election behavior don't, don't apply any way. we don't know. we can't explain that barrier. and perhaps taking a more holistic view of the of the full picture was a prior, the herald's ride, where the ethics were all the things that for decades, really since the end of world war 2 matters so strongly in us elections. and if the enduro is, we're even able to overlook issues, i'm thinking about kennedy or roosevelt issues and in not let those links to the, to the, to the constituents, simply because they could create such havoc. so whereas all of this gone, i'm,

historians will have a field day later on when we have material 2016 really. and again, 2024. i look forward to the opening of the archives there. man. well, we haven't heard much from donald trump yet to this point though he is expected to address his supporters at a convention center near his home in palm beach, florida. now this is where the trump campaign has been holding its election watched party as vote counts continued to come in from across the country. drums already one or 2 of the crucial swing states. as we've heard both georgia and north carolina. the donald trump does appear to be interesting, closer to victory with that in mind, the associated press says trump has one those 2 crucial swing states. these will be so we're central in determining the outcome of the us election. we should say though, both are still being counted, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. uh, although pamela harris does appear to have a very narrow path to prevent trump for making

a come back. no problem. republican party, we've said, but a reminder for those who are joining us, it's also sees control of the senate with thing 2 seats to overturn a narrow democratic majority. so we can go back across to our chief international editor richard walker, who's in florida, speaking to trump. supporters has been reporting throughout the night. richard last time we checked in uh, maybe the mood was flagging a bit. people were getting tired of it still look like that now at this point. yeah . so, so yeah, people were getting tired. he was getting a little bit quieter, but that will change just a few minutes ago when use came out the fox news. so not a p, which is kind of the gold standard for cooling states. but fox news, obviously a conservative channel uh, waste cooling the state of pennsylvania for donald trump to pennsylvania. of course, really it was decreased. so swing states, that's the one that if trump one it would get almost impossible for tomlin harris

to wait. and they were there was use excitement with that you see here and you had to johns of usa usa through the crowd here. i wouldn't be surprised if this is going to be another usa usa well with speaking just now. and you can see like, people are right across the street cause they're driving past honking their horns. they be doing this all night, but it's taken on a kind of a different level. and ever since that school by folks, news about the state of pennsylvania. distressing again, of course, that is not a cool that's being made by others such as a p yet. but i think there's a real sense here in this crowd is that based on the race has been won by donald trump, that he is back off to really an extraordinary come back for another 4 years in the white house for the rotors you've been speaking to what have they told you they were hoping to see in a 2nd? trump administration? yeah. well, it's funny. so this kind of nice and easy kind of divide to group hearing to,

to can, to, to service someone who say, you know, we want like from the fact just as he was, we want him to be as aggressive as have a, these kind of an aggressive trump, he's well american, it's the kind of that from that perspective, i kind of like to talk last year there was one guy who was saying, you know, i'm a business man. i run my business in a ruthless way. if one of my stuff doesn't do a good job, then i will find them and even started talking about his son who was standing next to him saying, you know, my son wasn't doing the thing against me because he knows that he will get equip around the air if he does that so, so that's the kind of the one mindset sort of kind of going on in on maga making america great again. and then that's another mindset that you hear with quite a lot of people saying that, you know, trump is being misunderstood. and that trump, who's actually going to be caught in that they would like to see more of that kind of trump coming out to the 2nd. so i think it's interesting that that was the kind

of a gauge of 2 camps in the mood here in a little have on. thank you so much for your reporting. that is our chief international editor, richard walker. in middle santa florida are very fast approaching a short break, but just before we go, so you can very quickly we just heard there that fox news, apparently calling pennsylvania not a fee. what are the role of these cable news channels? when you're looking at making these calls? i mean, obviously a lot of these cable news networks have attempted to build up their own sort of election centers. and fox traditionally has had a very capable one. so they've run into hot water with their own network because fox means very much in a conservative direction. and i think you remember which election it was was a 2020, where they called a state essentially. uh that would seal binds when. uh and uh and their, their other divisions weren't very happy. all right, well, we're gonna have to leave it there. we're gonna be taking a quick break that is also all for me for now. i'm claire richardson in berlin. it's been a delight to walk you through this. also, pablo fully,

at least i can. thanks for joining us and you'll be in safe hands after a very short. right. thanks for our guest. jessica and steven are sticking around if i understand correctly and for our center she and nicole furnished are up next. thank you so much for joining us. take care. the. the

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