or that they know the people who are there, that they have people, they can talk to a to figure out what kind of pos for what, what kind of cooperation would be potentially possible in the future. so we see this 2 fold approach here for us to prepare for whatever may come in terms of the fall out of the election, potential terrorists and other issues and, and at the same time, reaching out to make sure that they know who are dealing with the potential trump camp and also making sure to bring this message across that to rob is of course, ready and willing to work with donalds trump together to, to face the big challenges that both of us and the you are facing right now. and i don't know if i can just ask you to sort of stay on the line because i'd like to introduce a guess to as a joined us at the table. mazda ruger is

a senior policy fellow at the council on foreign relations. and it's, it's a perfect time to bring you in mind though. thanks so much for coming in because you're talking about your up. and i don't know if you got a lot of what alexandra was talking over there. but in crump 2.4. again, it just needs to be said that officially, donald trump is not yet the president elect, but it looks very likely, but he is going to be present like a trump 2 point. oh administration. is this going to be as acrimonious as the 1st one with europe? so um, well 1st of all, thank you for having me and the trump 2 point one is trace and if we are right and we have been at your pin call, some foreign relations building up at the networks with a large number of new right. think tanks that are sort of mobilizing behind trump such, and i think that was our prediction is that trumpeter point

o administration is going to look very different from trump's 1st administration in the sense that um those um officials who in his 1st cabinet to your kids and some americans call them adults in the room. i don't like that name. i think those officials tend to kind of be more international as to represent the old republican elite. and to also see the value of the alliances. and they will probably not come back, right. and so what we can expect from trump 2nd administration is a cabinet that is going to be much more aligned with his foreign policy preferences . trump, himself is often complained that his 1st term policy pledges, whether it's on nato, whether it's on middle east,

and general security has been undermined by his so called prime assist cabinet. these are your so to forward leaning republicans, we have called the premises try in all work and he has called them, they're all good to read names. i am warmongers global lists, etc, and he has pledged not to make the same mistake as he said in his 2nd term. and so i think what do we kind of packed on your up inform policy, the cabinet that is much more focused on prioritizing china and taiwan that sees europe. um, truly, as a free rider that is kind of free riding on american security guarantees to take advantage and bring in the unfair trade agreements with the us. and so i think these people will be much more robust to when it comes to

forcing their pins to step up on security when it comes to actually pushing the implementation of the pledges that trump has made in his 1st term, but also in his 2nd give me just interrupt you this or i'm sorry to interrupt is just it just on that point. talking about forcing the europeans, this is about making the europeans work with the americans or america going. it's a known because i'm trying to because this would basically be under this transatlantic conditions under pain everything internationally ever since the 2nd world war. so i'll be looking at something we can do with china and asia on all times. we don't need you. good bye is that it all the new york needs to follow our lead our rules. i'd be glad to get that. is that which one is it? well, that really is a $1000000.00 question and it depends who you enter the cabinet. you've kind of

really put a finger on the key issue right when it comes to china and taiwan. there is a division between some of the if you want hope 1st for the next cabinet, the prioritize decline and prioritize or someone for instance, like albert's called b who was for much from pentagon official and now leads the sort of merits and initiative very close to the sort of ecosystem or on to the bands they would say, what do we need? your attempts to do is take care of european security and ukraine back fill in europe and have our back there. and we will take care of asia, china and taiwan. they actually see any european contribution in asia and the pacific as distracting from the necessity that your kids take care of your pm security. and so in that respect, you'll have

a very strong and full co current in this prioritize or a wing of the party that basically once you're up not to get involved in china. on the other hand, there are huge expectations in the team around bob light highs are a former us trade representative. and the people on the economics side video can actually participated, participate in the integrated terrance. so they participate in the tech policy is the sort of strategic industrial policy which aims to contain china and to deny china the dominance in the technologies of the future. i just want to go to alexandra, i've done, but you've been listening, and that to uh, what mazda has been saying over that, just on the point of china and involvement in a why the asia, china is one of the biggest trade partners before the e. u. and the e u has been trying to come up with some form of unified policy when it comes to china. it hasn't always, uh, been in line with the policy that the americans have had on to now under the,

by the administration. do you see more of a divergence now, when it comes to relations with china, between the europeans and the americans under trump as well. i think that the, you will peons have taking a more hawkish, a stance on china more than they used to have in the past. and that was clearly the result of them understanding how important it is to at least to some extent, to align with to the position of the you as of ministration. and i also understand that, or they also understand, i would put it rather in this way that it was inevitable for them to face this issue. and that problem, regardless of whether a come a lot, hers is still in the wide house or don't know it's trump and that there is disrupt

understanding in brussels. but also in paris for instance. uh that, uh, this is a, one of the biggest challenges and that's the center of gravity. also, when it comes to, to trade that, that has shifted towards the in the pacific. however, they also understand that that to me instead of course, they needs to do more. busy or for their own defense, and that is the big question here, whether they will be able to do so. we heard, as i mentioned from, and my, the, with my call today from the french president congratulating donald trump on his victory. but he also invited all, i've showed the german chancellor to talk about some more united, stronger your of so you can see that this issue how to strengthen the european union and its members when it comes to

a defense or to 270. the dad is apparently on the mind of some leaders this morning. we leave at the for the moment, alexander phenomena do, don't those brussels so you have to choose. thanks so much for that insight. even a false come back to you later on through the morning, we just getting started with some reactions from brussels and other thoughts about it. thanks so much alex under for of that context on that inside let's, let's take on view as now to uh, washington dc. where, uh, dw, or washington bureau chief en espanol, is standing by, you know, what a night stand up to be, and this, you have quite a long day. uh, we were talking about your, with alexandra and mazda, who's in the, in the studio. where does your rep 15 to the donald trump foreign policy idea as well. uh,

i totally agree with this old colleague's. uh, they're in brussels in berlin. i mean, this is definitely no, it's more than a wake up call. it's a, it's a push with the 4 year old and also, especially really for germany to give up this added to it all, everything will be all right. and the big brother of the united states will, by the end of the day, fix it. this will not happen, another trump administration, and you know, we have to be also kind of aware that even this to come with harrison the why tell us this understanding that the united states support of your, of, and germany is just a given and unquestionable. this is over, joe biden, definitely has been the last transatlantic president as we used to know for the last or ever since the end of the 2nd world war. i shall put in a new era which has begun anyhow. but this will be

a different or more different. of course it was donald trump, who is a, for a reason saying, let's make america great. so again, and let's put america 1st. so your old a germany will have to take better care of their own issue. right, stay with us on the line is we're seeing visuals from earlier when it's done from pause or addressing the crowd in the palm beach, florida. maybe maybe this is the time that we just listen to what he was saying to the crowd. and just, just for an idea of what frank, his message was, leaves the greatest political movements of all time. the america has given us at home, presidents as the and powerful mandate, we have taken back control of the cell as well.

and this is raises the mountain, nevada, texas, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, the great commonwealth of pennsylvania. the mac got moved with a health silva so that was donald trump, a bit of what he said. but he also talked about his plans to turn the country around a major part of his campaign and a decisive topic and the election focused on migration. there's indeed that was a bit next on next to the economy. one of his most important topics and topics which probably deliver the when. so what you said, and that's,

that's interesting. you know, it was even humble compared to other speeches to just deliver within the last weeks and months. he said, you know, those whom we send out of the country, so those people who kind of want to come to the united states, they can come back if they come legally. this is kind of a, a, a slight change in tone. uh he, i think he understood uh over the last a couple of months or so that this super restrictive politics that he just like will kick out all people of is our work permits, all of who are here without who didn't come to the united states and a legal way that this would really home the american economy. so here you find june did a little bit, but you definitely will fulfill his promise of it's a really good conduct and much stricter border politics then kind of the harris and and joe biden did. they also had to do because he personally kind of stopped the

bill from going through rich who would have kind of provide a district, a border control, even another bite and administration. so what, yes indeed, we will see a major shift when it comes to migration in the early weeks, once he takes power into stay on the line just on this, uh, a steven, based on what you know. so was saying donald trump, during the election campaign he had talked about being a dictator on day one and on day one, he would drink dream dream and close the border in the speech the behind on the he was a slightly more soft let's, let's use that but he talked about that being a legal way to enter the united states. what does that tell us about his my edition policy? nothing. nothing about it. do i mean you can't really say, i mean donald trump's sort of waivers from day to day and there's a lot of speculation around this this. he said he's not going to run again. this is the last campaign he's going to be pretty old by the time he would be,

he would face re election, excuse me. and so there's this speculation. perhaps he has very little to lose in terms of what he does in the future. and it's been been very clear, clear from the beginning that he's not that interested in creating republican lasting republican majorities. he's more interested in winning himself. so the question is, does he need to restrain himself? does he need to create a bi partisan appeal, or will he unleashed a series of executive orders? and i imagine that's what will happen in the 1st few days. we can probably see something along the lines of more military at the border. we can see a more focus on deportations. what exactly that looks like. it remains a question that it's very unsettling for a lot of americans. and it was the last time he was president as well. this kind of suggestion that there was going to be a greater role in terms of deportation, but also the wall would probably take some sort of role as well. it's just too early to say what actual legislation or priorities look like. migration has been a legislative failure for a long time. it's just not. there's just very little in the us that can get done

legislatively. that bipartisan agreement can really cluster around. and even if there are a public inventories in the senate and the house, it doesn't mean that the measures just sale through. so it still will be difficult inter probably come down to executive orders just for of us are just joining us. i think it's just bass playing that sound bite from donald trump, especially on migration. they just listen to what the man have to say. i shall 5 back. so it's got to, it's the greatest country and potentially the greatest country of the world by far and right now we're going to just work very hard to get all of that back. we're going to make it the best it's ever been. we can do that. we just, if we had to wait longer, i don't know, it was going bad. if it was going bad fast, we're gonna have to seal up those borders and we're going to have to let people come into our house. we want people to come back in, but we have to, we have to let them come back in, but they have to come in legally they have to come and legally stephen,

is this going to be the, the one single issue that he's going to be judged on by people once he has rooms office, i don't know, i think there are a number of issues that he will be judged on depending on which side he's being judged by. there are plenty of people who would like to see tighter abortion restrictions. you'll be judged by them differently on that issue. there are a lot of people for whom migration is a serious issue. and because of the dynamics of migration over the past few years, and the absolute flood of people we've seen on the southern border, which has been, i've normal over the last few years, then that is probably going to stay in public view. the question is how he will approach that. there are very few good solutions there. when he talks about a legal mechanism for bringing people in, it is an acknowledgment that in immigration migration plays an important role in the us there. plenty of business leaders will probably have his ear as well saying we need people in certain positions and we're not gonna have that unless we have immigration. people believe that they can come here in

a reasonable matter. so he will be judged differently depending on which groups are looking at him. migration will definitely be one of them. the economy may be another. the question is whether he'll really care, i think, to what extent he will care as well. you know the question for might out real quick . he talked about the trump. when he took the stage, the claim victory. he said that promises made will be promises kept that. so was like a threat to something he promised to be a dictator on day one. so what do you expect to happen in the country and what will his 1st actions be? um, well, if you look at the domestic side, we've been basically mostly looking at the foreign policy promises. and that's a total order right? on foreign policy has pledged $2.00 and $2.00 major wars, and it's very short period of time both in ukraine and israel, palestine. so that will be something i think where he will be hard pressed to

deliver. and i don't see how that is going to happen. that quickly, but if you kind of turn to this question of domestic policy in democracy and sort of promises made, promises kept if you think about the, the dictators like a comment. i think the really interesting thing to watch is going to be what now happens with a heritage 2025 project. so she had to dissociate himself from heritage foundation and the 2025 project during the campaign. obviously, because democrats had picked up on the document and said here it's written on page 72, what he is going to do with this department, that department, that department. so by many of his close allies by many of his was a heritage heritage foundation is stopped and the leadership of heritage is, is basically very much the ecosystem that involves that are on the vice president. and so, and also, you know, these are, this is kind of

a very big chunk of the expertise if you want. and you know, many, not just heritage, but it's a coalition of a very large number of new right thing. things that had for a long time been mobilizing training, preparing documents. and one of them focuses on one of his key pledges. and that is the construction of the administrative state. he has pledged to drain, respond to the 1st term, says he didn't manage precisely because he was surrounded by the wrong people. and i think that would you have in this document is an enormously detailed agenda for basically making sure that the next administration is aligned with the priorities of conservative new right. the. ready does a shadow project kind of $25.00, also extend to got

a few studies drawn to atlantic ties. and i just wonder because, i mean, the idea is that of that and project 2025 in which the executive is aligned with the wishes of the lead. uh these have found echoes in europe as well. and i just wanted to, uh, what you think in terms of the impact of project 2025 on jobs in terms of domestic integrations could be says, if you are you suggesting that the ideas of 2025 my resume to which some european government? yes, well, you know, you could also take it the other way around. my colleague jeremy shapiro has just recently published a paper called, or possession of america. and in fact, you could argue that hungry provides blueprints for centralization of power and dismantling of the system of checks and balances in the government. whether it's to the dish or a or whether it's the parliamentary oversight. and so i think you have

that sort of stuff going on in hungary, but also prior to the polish elections that had brought to the new democratic government. important as well. you know, you're talking, we're talking about hundreds of computers. i can see, are we talking about the get an a prime minister of victo all bon and his name comes up and you look at europe and he does have already begun to congratulate him . donald trump, he's a big to all bond is a close. trump ally, he posted on x and i quote, the biggest com, but in us political history, congratulations to president donald trump on his enormous when a months needed victory for the world was like the old on. then you had a french president, the call will treat it in french and shared is the translation, congratulations present going to the trump ready to work together as we were able to do for, for you as with your convictions and with mind, with respect and envision for more peace and prosperity,

and we also have another order for me to all stressed off the call may, hama, wrote, congratulations to donald trump on the nation victory. the united states is an important strategic partner for australia. we look forward to further expanding and strengthening our transatlantic relations to successfully address global challenges together. steven, with these global challenges be addressed together or yeah, i, i don't know. i mean, i think we'd discuss that a little bit with the, the amount to which the us one gauge with allies for morales traditional allies under a new trop administration. when a pick up on something about hungry though that we were talking about. there is obviously this real flirtation to sort of level fair right now between the new right and hungry is a kind of model for establishing a more and if you call it on the word, terry and but a more centralized government. and of course, we have to remember that the, the history of hungry and the, the,

the population is very different from that of america. we just had a long tradition with democracy. so it would really hesitate to take to, to take, to take that comparison to 2 seriously. but it is clearly in the interest of people who are, who have the ear of donald trump. and the other thing i would add is, is this is the priorities of the new, right? as you mentioned, are those the priorities of the people who voted for donald trump. we know that with the core, it probably is. he can do no wrong, as he said, he could kill a man on 5th avenue and probably get away with it. but he doesn't just rely on them to when he has to win undecided voters independent voters. and are they really there for all of this? are they there for a transformation of fundamental transformation, perhaps of the government? are they there for a transformation of the executive branch such that the department of justice targets political enemies? are they different overall of health systems such that vaccines come under incredible scrutiny under uh you, bobby kennedy junior, is, are they there for that? because we're in 2 years there's going to be another election. and if trump,

maybe he doesn't care because he may not go up for election again, but someone's going to have to care because they're going to lose their job if they don't. and that's going to be congressman, senators, someone. so there is a response mechanism. you don't just dismantle a democratic state in 6 months in a year, so the institutions are under pressure and that is serious and that is worth taking very seriously. but it's not quite hungry, even if that is the dream of a lot of his advisors going a lot closer to it. if the republicans actually getting both houses of congress. so right. to some extent yes. on on, they will control the flow of legislation. but again, they will have to answer to constituents back home. and if the constituents are really concerned about the economy and the price of bread and the price of milk and things like that, are they in there for the other stuff as well that they gather is much more controversial and they may actually be quite bad if they don't like it, and this is what happened as well. in his last administration, they got punched in the mid terms ends, as well. republicans got punished in the mid terms after roe v wade was overturn.

so there's a lot of stuff where the voters will come back to them and dismantling a democratic country is not something that i would imagine most voters have in mind, even if there is this serious core around them, that you think they're not really down for the kind of democratic values that most americans hold true. so yeah, i think these are going to be very narrow margins in the house and in the senate. this yeah, sorry. uh how much is less than what? uh, a steven was saying that the evan of, uh, what i think is interesting on the form policy. if you're asking, is there going to be a coalition, right, and that's just kind of take hungry. but you know, there's other governments and potentially movements in europe that are more sort of leaning towards the new right. so it's good to be very interesting to watch maloney until these which way they go. and so what are some of the questions which were their points and convergence between this kind of christians and tying the

gratian strong demand in europe like, or you'll have to continue the discussion with you while in, in, in a moment. because we are now nearly towards the end of this particular show, we're going to be taking a quick break, but me be back with more updates on the years and that you stay with them. the,

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