the meet the docs november 9th. the this is dw news live from berlin. germany is governing coalition, collapses, transfer all off shore, sax finance minister christian lender, and says he wants to call a confidence vote in january. also on our show earlier today, i spoke with president elect thompson and congratulated him on his victory. i also told him that we will help him and his team with their transition and that we will engage in a peaceful transfer of power. vice president complet here speaks the supporters after conceding the election to donald trump. the

i'm so you can go to the in berlin, welcome to our program. we begin with breaking news here in germany, where the governing coalition has collapse and transfer the old off schultz has called for a confidence vote in mid january. schultz made the announcement after dismissing his finance minister across your lender, who is from the business friendly, free democrats. they formed part of the country's 3 party coalition government with the greens and the chancellors. social democrats. the confidence vote could trigger new parliamentary elections by the end of march. take, listen to how schultz explained his decision that is happening. and when did i ask permission from the federal president to dismiss the finance minister? i was forced into this decision in order to prevent damage to our country so that we need a government capable of taking action. that has the power to make the right decisions for our country, and that's what i needed in the last 3 years. and that's what i need now. i made

another extensive offer to the free democrats earlier today, so that we can close the holes in the budget and to avoid scrubbing our country into chaos within the look and one of the south central eastern con owner was a long distance calls system. today's decision comes after months of divisions within the german government over the budget, as well as other issues free democratic leader and finance minister christy on lender blame chancellor schultz for the break up the um. fortunately, we made suggestions for an economic time around 12 to put the country back on the path to success. folks cause so being, any god people cause he less bureaucracy, best taxation, mazda, subtract, magic energy, and climate policies control the more control of immigration. so we like style can at the same time strengthening the individual responsibility performance and encourage innovation, right? these are for the suggestions. we're not even accepted as a basis for discussions by the social democrats and greens. ok,

it's up to you up. meanwhile, vice chancellor public high back from the greens had this to say this, mr. don't didn't house it was impossible to close the holes and the butcher's bottom. but there were many different options on the table and they're just cutting down and often dish. and the big is what is included ways to provide you create a with more support to gain custody of if you're going to go on task would have been the best response at the beginning of the day, which donald trump was selected to call it. and i will, germany has a role to play in europe and the fighting ukraine is a fight for peace and freedom only. we won peace and freedom in europe, and germany has a role to play on the order strife. i says, chancello, how about how back there? let's go to max hoffman. toby's head of news for moral knows max, how did chancellor schultz explained the breakup of his coalition? or steve? and the overarching argument was his responsibility towards the country. and he felt like he couldn't be in charge of that responsibility with his finance minister,

which he called, among other things, by the way, disrespectful egoistic and also small minded. so you could tell, there was a lot of pent up frustration there from weeks if not months of conflict, you're putting the blame squarely onto cnn or the former finance minister of course of interest. we just heard, had a very different perspective on things, right, weeks and months of conflict leading to this breaking point. what timeline has schultz now given for the, the coming weeks and months ahead? we're done in the sound bite earlier and the plan is to have a vote of confidence in january. um what of shorts explain the rather late date that's already been criticized by the way, by opposition politicians because he wants to introduce some laws. once we get some laws passed by the end of the year, so basically uh,

get things done that he still had planned. whether this is going to be successful or not is, is a different story and that lands him on the 15th of january for that vote. of confidence if he loses that vote, which seems extremely likely at this point. that brings us to march for early elections and then probably a new government for germany. max, help us understand this point a little bit more if the governing coalition has essentially collapse. why would we not see new elections immediately in this case? it's, it's basically up to or left. so it's to set the date here. and as i said earlier, you know, there are opposition. politicians who say this needs to happen as fast as possible . ideally this year, so you could have early elections as early as january, but she should forget, you have christmas. you have the holidays here. that would make things a little more complicated. and you know, it's not completely impossible that there might be some calculation on behalf of or

off shots and his party there that if given a little more time, they might be able to convince voters that they are well, you know, they're worth another vote in march. with those laws have a little more time for campaigning. so all of these factors might play a role here, but we don't know for sure. what if anything, can we say about the timing of this announcement following donald trump's re election? should we read anything more into them as i thought about that and because beforehand, you know, a lot of people said is trump, is elected. that might actually be an argument for this coalition to, to get it together and try to continue. but uh, i wouldn't worry too much into it because of the don't forget, it seems, it seems so far away now. but um, 24 hours ago. we uh, we thought we all thought because of the polls that com, la harris at a very decent shot at the company, the president's meeting. nobody knew that trump was really going to be the next president. and so putting everything in a plan like that,

and the timing seems unlikely, it's much more likely that this is build up and, and the deciding factor here, among others, was the budget negotiations because the plan was to, to try to nail down a budget by next week and for 2025 and it was always clear that this was going to be a rather big obstacles because the views on what this budget should look like and what should be fine as and whatnot. we're very different within this cold issue as how did this coalition become so divided in the 1st place? it's a long story. i took a long time and if i had to break it down in the most simple terms, you know you had problems with issues. there were 3 coalition partners in germany. you always have a coal, isn't government to get a majority in parliament. this time with 3 parties which made it more complicated because some of them, those parties were very different. for example,

the left wing of the greens or the left with these left wing of the social democrats, very different from certain elements of the business friendly liberals. so they were at odds where to spend the money where to have tax cuts for whom to have tax goods. what to do about social benefits, who should profit from them? also ecological transition, very difficult. but then there was also the question of communication and form, generally speaking, because they fought in public all the time really. each time they thought they'd solve the problem, the new fight would break out a new dispute, new discussion, nothing stayed confidential, really. so everything was known about those meetings, even if they were off the record documents that were supposed to be confidential or made public even today, you know, so, so you basically saw the, the same sentence today and that's really not a basis for trust. it's not a basis for confidence and it makes a word for

a governing coalition so much harder and certainly was a major factor in why so much frustration was built up over these months. right. that's max hoffman, head of news at dw max. thank you. and let's have a closer look now at how jeremy is governing coalition reaches breaking point. the tensions between the parties in germany's government had been growing for some time with economic policy, causing the biggest clashes between the chancellor, olaf, schultz, economy minister, robert havoc and finance minister, fist young lender. the next selection wasn't scheduled until september of next year . now it looks like it might happen in march and campaigning. we'll be getting a lot sooner. next, mid get my personal bad. i find that totally irritating and also super disappointing. i have the feeling that we're already in election campaign mode so,

so people are no longer interested in finding real solutions within the group, but only in positioning themselves with it to me, i think that this one, i think it's an unworthy spectacle. that's happening at the moment, one working against the other with no common ground that can be established. the disagreements at the center of the collapse revolver on how to revive jeremy slightly economy, which shrink last year and barely avoided recession this year. the country continues to struggle with high energy costs and fears, competition from china, particularly in the automotive market. both consumer and business confidence is low . and what else? germany faces and nearly 10000000000 euro gap and next years budget. how can i get out of this mess? that's the question. how back and lender have very different answers to callback believes targeted government spending will stimulate the economy. what lender wants spending costs as a soft and climate regulations? one thing everyone can agree on is that the divisions are damaging to all parties

and that the collapse comes at a particularly bad time for germany, jerry and the future policies of us trusting elect. donald trump are expected to pose a king's challenge to european trade and security. and now germany long regarded as europe leader and international issues is distracted by domestic affairs. us and our chief political attitude, michelle cruz, and joins me now from warm shallow. the timing of this break up seems less than ideal your biggest economy, martin political crisis on the same day that donald trump is re elected house. and we look at this crisis and what the had what was the spectacular timing? because this actually happens, the announcement by what i've sold came as i was possibly standing at howard university waiting for pamela harris and her concession speech. so quite an eventful 24 hours that leaves the united states and a very different kind of house for the future. also, europe,

and sudden the germany is europe's largest economy and it's rather unbelievable that it keeps talking about how many billions are missing out of its budget. one of the richest countries in the world. and this will add more uncertainty to the weeks, months, and next year to come. as donald trump comes into the office here in january, that will be the moment when the german chancellor actually has this vote of confidence in parliament, which he is fairly certain to do's. and it will take stephanie's president to otherwise only it has a ceremonial role to actually take that decision and declare new elections. and that's why this is not leading immediately and very, very fast to fresh elections, to stop elections. but that's also because old ourselves clearly doesn't just want to get a few more notes through. he also wants a bit of time to talk with the current office, as indeed escalation that's from the conservative community. he still has hopes

that he can afford some kind of minority and government, some kind of corporation, despite the fact that he's been, he's been told by flourish, match the opposition, the that, that he's simply not up for that to help us understand the background of this max told us a little bit about what's been happening over the past years, especially the last few weeks and months. we saw in his speech data shorts, when right after his former coalition partner. was this brake abrupt or to what extent did we see it coming? it was like watching a very unhappy 3 way marriage unfold, which turned it started up beat and it turned out on the 15th of november, 20 and 23. that's when dummies, constitutional court ruled that the budget, those 3 parties would force together wherever you would have gotten a lot of what they wanted. um, actually simply was blown out of the water by rooting. that said, they cannot use 60000000000 for climate fund that was funding a lot of this. and ever since they've been trying to find money to of finance,

the glue that was keeping them together, that each policy was guessing products was guessing as suddenly a funding directed its way into it's most key projects. so a lot of that was climate as well. climate related, so they never really recovered from that ever since it took into this rounds of debates. compromises that were then questioned again, agreements that were once questioned again until we actually lived at this very point which has been described by the vice chancellor and leading figure of the greens them all by topic as the worst possible time. yes it is. but if germany wants to, again represent what it is known for stability in europe, and then it needs a stable government. and this government hasn't been stable for a very, very long time. the worst possible timing, perhaps in part because the economy and the crisis that's going on right here in

germany. what does this crisis mean for the future of the german economy, at least in the near term, and the middle term as if there's 2 arguments that they shouldn't have broken up because it needs, this is a decision is now to stabilize them. these economy, if you speak to people who are actually in the economy running companies, they are simply sick and tired of the debates. they just saw a proposal from the topic of the trade minister advice on so they sold proposal from the finance minister. they simply know what it, what will be the road ahead, what will be the tax rate? will it be more competitive with the united states, particularly as they expect to take a hit when donald trump takes over as us president? this goes beyond any kind of terrorist. this is donald trump solely requesting also .