i honestly try to busy and working 32 hours a week has to be better for the assignments and for you. but of course we shouldn't be. no, you'd be the living scientists just had subscribe. whatever you listen to hard costs, the among the many was around the world, the conflict and through done is distinguished by its level of savage rate. the master goes to the ethnic cleansing, and the salvation is for many of its victims. my guest in brussels is full, my prime minister, bela who heads the coalition, the political and civil society groups trying to bring peace, trying and failing. in the last 3 months, the fighting is intensified and so as the involvement of foreign sizes stroking the same's on all sides, what would it take to stop the blood shed and unify his shot? the country i'm duck welcome to come pick. so you

looking at the history of your country. so that's amazing thing. you've had since 1956, a staggering 17 cruise, along with a catalogue of civil war, decades of murder, starvation, misery. why have you will failed to bring peace to saddam and unite the country? thank you very much for the opportunity to do how do you appreciate this? got upset of that right? from 1956. we failed, not only to keep the country together, but also we do not have up to, to the parent. and then the constitution has always been temporary out of this 68. the so nation of who post independence, 55 years of them without them either. why, why?

i suppose we failed to get what i would cool in national project. that should have kept this house. i think a civilian, if you remember or are you ashamed of it? absolutely. so failure of affiliates. the latest, seemingly endless civil war began 2023 between 2 military commanders, one from the suits and these armed forces, general fata, i've the fact i behind the leader of the pine military rapids support forces. but by general mohammed tiger low, you know, these men personally, don't you? i don't, i worked with them in what we call the partnership and agreement. that was the sign in 2019.

and we worked together in the new now when government for over 2 years until the article, the top of this, i think now they deserve to spend the rest of their life in general. so i believe all those who committed disabilities should be brought to book part of a like like these are, these are killing sunday officers that people are responsible for the desk. misery, absolutely, starvation destruction that they've ruined your country. but that's what are they like? why don't you see this is what we're calling the failure of the also the, the military which most of the country for 55 years. this is just a continuation of that. are they proud of what they're doing? are they proud of the kidding? i don't think any sensible human being would be proud of killing people. they

don't sound this are the sensible human beings. one way to live the judgment, of course, to the lie that is. so then these people and, but i should have you on this, not this much as simple what this, what is some sense of this? what, what turned them into killers? was it, was it really about as an agreement to power sharing power between the different forces? because that collapse, then they then set out to kill them, destroys many people as they could finally, sooner oppose that of so many reasons behind this, this war. as you advise, you put it in your opening remark. this will def, i just want to notice there are so many root causes of this one. that's the beauty to historic. in fact, uh, did you put the book into issues of the dynamics between center and pretty and even development. but also pointed to confucius link to the domination of dot in the 9. so me to other markets. but what would make it stop?

what would make this will stop? i think the private responsibility of stopping this or the rest of the disadvantaged people. if we are able to might, in a broad front that bring everybody together again, the store that we formed fairly step in into stopping before. but also we're going to live in an explanation in there, in an isolated island. we need the support that would be brought by the agent and the international community. and what about these 2 general is what would make them stop? can i think they need to know that the sequences for what you would do have you told them that? i think everybody told them this, that have sanctions that have all this. yeah. do they enjoy?

and i don't think anybody would enjoy killing, but it's, it just looks like it's quite assessable, a senseless thing. last month. so major search and fighting in the country, hundreds killed in aerial, bombings and revenge attacks and evidence that there are increasing numbers of foreign fights as most and who is now involved in the fight to which countries that are involved which countries worry you most, you know in today as well, the team, you will not find a single village that is isolated from what's happening around the so many countries involved in this region. the close that asian fetish at asian, unfair the, uh, fox. well, that's pretty much how many, let's pick a couple of, i mean the united out,

remember it's has been pretty active in the region. un inspectors say they've been running an extensive covert operation to supply the rapid support forces under the guise of supplying humanitarian assistance they denied. but, but the u. n. is clear, will do know this, that a similar acquisition, liberty that gave us all the companies and very you a egypt, so that it'd be uh on my show. i'm very true unless your created this object was issues and we would like us so that he's like whoever want or whoever, intervening, you know, or situation should help us stop this war rather than feeling well they're doing the opposite. the whole, these countries that you've now, we would like then to stop this intervention and to move towards helping

us resolving this. and where is the international will to stop them? to be honest with us, with an easy way to very disappointed with the international discipline. us on our classes today. so done is the lot of their present that a lot of just a human calion classes in the world. well, the killing se put more than $150000.00, which is i think it goes to the end of estimate. we might not even know the number of people who are killed. we have 25000000 subjected to farming. and instead of ition, people would, i was finding more of them is what it's about. more than 2000000 refugees. the flight of all these people was not being addressed. this is much, much greater then goes. what do you can combine?

i mean it's about to get worse. in june, the chief prosecutor, the international criminal court, came con, said he feared that didn't suit don. we are on the precipice of something even worse. do share that view. absolutely, absolutely. you say that, but in april you told an interview or you were in a tunnel optimist. absolutely. oh yeah. how, how long list do you find up to move in the situation that you've just described, where wherever i am, even with the opportunities in the moment that the physical museum cease to exist 6th period. well, yes, of course. as you said, yes, the misery, the killing starvation. i don't see where you find that up to listen. some people might say you've lost touch with reality. oh no, i was that i was the day and then all this i have been, i live through this on my life. you see,

i failed him to believe on the fact that crisis come was opportunities. if you allow yourself to just let mint o as bad as i believes this is that that doesn't take you into it. you'll need to have it caged to say that this would not put us down as a nation. what capable of doing great things, and then you can go on saying this, but as the secretary general of the un, antonio gutierrez said, last month, your people trapped in a nightmare of violence, hunger, disease, and displacement. and you say this optimism? no, i'm not saying i'm not describing the situation as what you have up to. yes, i am saying you cannot look to face this crisis. and if you are just complaining whatever that would not have probably seemed to be any sense of urgency. no, that is, that is well became doing the same things and the killing goes on and nothing stops

lifting the leslie. 31 thing you know, is all this miseries. we give the world 3 very important. i'm glad to find uprising that double dictates the military to get the ship was toppled by this was an easy and 1964. we did it again in 85 and we did it in 2019. so this was then these people have accumulated varies from experience or for existence. it's. it's an a 2 minute process and very strong experience of human rights violation. yeah, yes. yes. and war crimes was chrome, but it was old. this, this, the did not detect us from putting this data in the palm. where did it city in the past and the past, this is the only 3 years ago. the last one, where, where did this extreme level of savage rate come from? why does it come from?

and i, is it part of your people? is it by that for you? wow, actually this is about adults because as then he's got a lot of video commodities. we are peace loving. we're out of never buying gold as a, as an issue. and you guys asked me cleansing is now becoming a huge future of is this simple wars and it, but you see all these issues are driven by small 900 smoking. and even instead of with the why the police, your 1000 profit sucks everybody. you just wonder whether this is almost my warranty or not, but do you see that the entities that the majority of this was and he's a peace loving that needs to get a peaceful coexistence. actually, diversity is a sense of his students should not be sense of weakness isn't the ethnic cleansing the hardest of the motives to address. because if you're the wrong type, you die,

don't you rewind to being the prime example of to 1994. the fact romeo de la who left the un mission and ran to during the genocide, he said last month, we fear the suit on crisis is on the road to becoming a repeat of the 1994 rwanda genocide. i don't know if you should know. i know, i know, but i hope not new, at least the point what we are working tirelessly is to avoid that fit. and i think with the result of the determination of our people so that these people and the support of our friends and peace loving people in the world. we wouldn't be able to avoid this. let's talk about the work you're doing. you, you lead a coalition of democratic forces cold talk. i do more progress. if you try to organize peace talks, but negotiations have, have gone no way in january. you signed to deal with the rapids support forces

including a c spot, but it was rejected by switching these politicians. you're talking to parties that have continually broken the wood. and i'm wondering what's the point of talking to people like pat, look the you comp, trust them from one day to the next can do, which is the name of the coordination of civilian democratic forces. is the largest alliance officers. and these groups, which has together, brought together political pop. these 3 unions and profession is secret society resistance committees, some of the groups and all that. it's because we had a very impressive funding convention. you know this above, in the end of may, june, this year, which we, we would frontier, let's have them to achieve anything approaching. you'll go, which is piece i, i know what i'm yeah, i don't think that is we, we, this, this,

this google was found admittedly 4 months ago. not expected to undo, such a huge legacy, but to be put forward. what a very sound uh, vision, political vision, but the rest of these to not allow me, i can just quickly outline the major element of your stop please. we do not believe there is a many that the solution to this course. we have to go through a political process, but that's all there. isn't that they kind of thing. i guess it's obvious, it is august, but because that a lot of people will think it is not people to think they can win this war, which is totally nonsense. we think number one priority to the in this vision is the addressing who attended clauses on to address the protection of civilians as number one prior to this time dog in august, there were american lead piece talks that kicked off in geneva. but so don's

military didn't even send negotiate as this, so they went no way. you can't even get a ceasefire, isn't your priority to get a c spot and then talk when the fight and the guns have gone silent, should, will that be the priority? is somebody some risk spiked for that was why was saying, you know what, a vision number one priority is that and you know, it's not all the ups in geneva. there were a number of attends before that it was dead which stopped it very well. but that is still quickly, then that is my now my wish was much better produced a very well document shut down by the military. and then that is also which the media that is mobile. how can i be a very good document when people go on buying a no, it doesn't matter whether it's a good document or not expensive to unless you produce results and the results on coming down that is total. but that is all this come up there. all from that is all just has to be aware of so many confusion. so the discussion you agree on,

on the document, you put it to the test and all that one. and i think that's what it has to be. so when you go just one of the things you said a moment ago, you talked about over throwing oh, my ibis year, who was present and 15 decades ousted in 2019. he was indicted by the i. c. c. twice on some of the most serious charges, including crimes against humanity. when you were prime minister, you announce september 4th 2021. but the suit of these concert ministers had agreed to extradite a bush year to the hague. why didn't that happen? still hasn't happened? do you equal that? it's september 20 twin, twin dakota police? october 21, one months after one months. but why in that months didn't you send him to the hague? if it's not that simple, we see sue's day when we came we had open,

very fruitful corporation with dicey. see they opened an office, we stopped working. they produce 3 options for the pilots, whether at home or the visual northern dicey. see, and what in gauging with them, there was a crew, as you said, but in november you were back again. you returned again to the prime minister's office. why didn't you send the ship to the hague? i said, i stayed one months and design. i mean, the ones we were trying to put the brake when the cool and, and do so many decisions that we had taken in the period of one months when i was in detention. but wouldn't it have been a huge symbolic achievement to sent him to tie it into the office as a prime minister? there was no government, there was no institutions. there wasn't loving i was trying to put a brick on that. and it in the, to the transition meaning,

bringing back and it's fusions doing all this things that we're abolished by the cool the effect of getting rid of it. but she, it was, was extraordinary. the crowds where you fall right around the country suddenly odd flourish, people were talking about politics. the west was offering to forgive your debts, even that. and yet you couldn't hang onto this you for a why not? it didn't last. why? there is one is, you know, the toppling of the dictatorship happen because we, or you might had a very strong in united to them at that you have that. but from the 2nd the we had a lot of you could call it the divisions. people went back by and did flags. and all these, i know we had this, this is

a legacy of 50. it's but this was your best johnson 30. you looked into it just, it was our best jones. after 50 years, we did a lot in 2 years on the economic funds actually have so many issues on the political fun on the uh remove auto. so then from the state of response, i've got a resume addressing so many issues. you cannot expect a government that is being just planted as far as the cabinet to undo into years. legacy effects. yes. this is a don't thing is like somebody to, man, you're going to do you wish you had done things different day when you look back. so i leave that to the you have no regrets. no, i saw a town in the i a my question is, is very clear because we worked and those with a month that hung out of the people who made the mistake. so the chief,

some would know that you have some but good ideas, guy and all this you continue to adjust to that you continue pressing for cease 5 for formula that will bring an end to all the cottage. but you, you have plenty of enemies of your own. and so done. the kind of government wants to put you on trial on a number of charges, including incitement to war against the state, undermining the constitutional order of crimes against humanity. you've denied all these accusations, but. ready how can you be seen by all sides as a observer, as a, as a, as an impartial broker. look this way you have these charges. hi, this is misconception. well, i'm not a broker. so i have not mediated reading this because it we have to take the align with the spanish and the people. so don't think about us as people there mediating

between the 2 box. no, we've got that with these charges. how are you? this is for what the government go to talking about. there's no government. this is a government suspended, but after communion of this you can call it the fact to government because the international community wanted to deal with somebody that there's no government. yeah, for cuz there hasn't been a lot of help in this. you mentioned the suspended what they just suspended, no incorporation with the go the not the suspension of corporation. they suspended the membership of the government because they have an instrument that any unconstitutional take over for they come with undergraduate and this has been, this was gone from point to one. but they also, when the water broke, they had the stablish to high levels of funding on to them led by a very able, the party list for more, for the new stuff gonna. they have a stablish that call me 3 or 5 presidents led by the president that most of the new

uganda we expect them to do more expect them to help us, particularly with issues relating to the protection of civilians. and what in gauging the ones, we know that deficiencies and all that, but i think it is our premium content in the body. and we are happy to work with them in, in, in, in the dressings, where they haven't had a lot more success than what they've set out to do then you have, i mean, they promised that the guns would fall silent in africa by 2025. didn't say smoking a happened this at the sound of spanish and goal can be achieved, never fired. there's no point. we keep missing these deadline to set the deadline to keep missing. well, you know, it doesn't help the village. he does. one of the very distinguished, pretty them fight that was in south africa, was asking 1974 when this apartheid would fall. he said in 10 years, it went to 20th inside of spanish and goals. we strive, produce them, we might look at each them in the set,

the time. but the day we've come to use them with the results and determination of everybody. a new ideas. you. you need new ideas, don't you? because because everything you've tried so far hasn't worked out things well. what, what do we outlining who haven't tried to have this vision or for the past protection of civilian ceasefire and political process is that we can use in which we call it round table conference. we should expect to bring together all kind of, uh, from the asian political office and we're working on that. and we are actually moving in diabetics that i do is that it's, you know, to many of that as well. i've multi inside, but i do. and i think we are not thinking about this as an event. so process, it was dick time, which of course varies as high sense of urgency because people are dying. but we

will appreciate that very briefly. you can't go back to that at the moment. do you think they'll come a day when you count? are you worried about your safety even being outside? no, of course the talk is all the time about not only that position is that according openly by killing myself or colleagues and thought i'd do a mindful of that. but i'm not different from what is happening to this with these people inside the company. the thank you very much for being comforted. so the most welcome back to the

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