an approach that works for them, at least for now, the trap. have you ever seen the among the many was around the world. the conflict in suzanne is distinguished by its level of savagery. the master goes the ethnic cleansing, and the salvation is for many of its victims. my guest and brussels. as for my prime minister, bela who heads the coalition, the political and civil society groups trying to bring peace, trying and failing. in the last 3 months for fighting is intensified and so as the involvement of foreign sciences, stroking the same's on all sides, what would it take to step the blood shed and unify the shots of country?

i'm duck. welcome to come pick. so you looking at the history of your country. so don's amazing thing. you've had since 1956, a staggering 17 cruise, along with a catalogue of civil war, decades of murder, starvation, misery. why have you will failed to bring peace to saddam and unite the country? thank you very much for the opportunity to do how do you appreciate this? got upset of that right? from 1956. we failed not only to keep the country together but also we do not have up to the impediment. and constitution has always been temporary out of this, the 60 deities of national who post independence,

55 years of them were under me through why, why? i suppose we failed to get what i would cool in national project. that should have kept this house. i think a civilian if you remember, or are you ashamed of it? absolutely. so freely of affiliates, the latest seemingly endless civil war began 2023 between 2 military commanders, one from the suits. and these armed forces general to the fact i behind the leader of the power military rapids support forces. but by general mohammed tiger low, you know, these men personally, don't you? i do. i worked with them in what we call the partnership

and agreement. that was the sign in 2019 and we worked together in the navy now when the government for over 2 years until the article, the top of this, i think now they deserve to spend the rest of their life in general. so i believe all those who committed disabilities should be brought to book part of a like, i think these are, these are killing some of these that people are responsible for the desk. misery, absolutely, starvation destruction that they've routes on the view your country. but that's what are they like? well, you see, this is what we're calling the failure of the also the, the military, which most of the country for 55 years. this is just a continuation of that. or are they proud of what they do? are they proud of the killer?

i don't think any sensible human being would be proud of killing people. they don't sound this of the sensible human beings one way and live the judgment, of course, to the why that is. so then these people that i should have you on this, not, this must have simple what? because this was a subject, a sense of this what, what turned them into killers. was it, was it really about an agreement to power sharing power between the different forces? because of that collapse and they've been set out to kill them, destroys many people. say good file is uh, oppose the so many reasons behind this, this war. as you advise, you put it in your opening remark. this will def, i just want to know it is there are so many root causes of this one. that's the beauty to historic and the fact that is you put into issues of the dynamics between center and pretty, an even development. but also political issues linked to the domination of dot and

the non so many other facts. but what would make it stop? what would make this whole stop? i think the private responsibility of stopping this ward list with this, with these people. if we are able to might, in a broad front that bring everybody together again, the store that we form the finishes step in into stopping before. but also we're going to live in an explanation in there. and then i said that i, that we need the support that would be brought by that vision and the international community. and what about these 2 general is what would make them stop? can i think they need to know that sequences? what do we do? have you told them that i think everybody told them this,

that have sanctions that i have all this. yeah. did i enjoy? i don't think anybody would enjoy killing, but it's, it just looks like a, it's quite assessable, a senseless thing. last month. so the major search and fighting in the country, hundreds killed in aerial, bombings and revenge attacks and evidence that there are increasing numbers of foreign fights as most and who is now involved in the fighting. which countries that are involved, which countries worry you most, you know in today as well, the team you will not find a single village that is isolated from what's happening around the so many countries involved in this, that asian, the close that asian fetish adhesion, and further uh,

fox. well, that's pretty much how many, let's pick a couple of them in the united arab emirates has been pretty active in the region. un inspectors say they've been running an extensive covert operation to supply the rapid support forces under the guise of supplying humanitarian assistance they denied. but, but the u. n. is clear, will do. notice that a similar transition, liberty, that gave us all the countries and very u. a. egypt. so that it'd be uh on my show. i'm the true unless your could in this out accusations and we would like us that he's like, whoever wants or whoever, intervening, you know, or situation should tell us stop this war. probably not feeling well. they're doing the opposite. the amount we've done through all these countries that you've now we

would like them to stop this intervention and to move towards helping us resolving this. where is the international will to stop them? to be honest with us, with an easy way to very disappointed with the international response on all the classes today. so done is the lot of their present that a lot of just a human darien clauses in the world. well, the killing subject is put more than $150000.00, which is i think it grossly underestimated. we might not even know the number of people who are killed. we have 25000000 subjected to 5 minute instead of ition. people would die was finding more of them is bullets more than 2000000 refugees applied to all these people as well being addressed. this is much,

much greater than does what do you can combine? and it's about to get worse in june. the chief prosecutor at the international criminal court came con, said he feared that didn't suit don. we are on the precipice of something, even worse. do share that view. absolutely, absolutely. you say that, but in april you told an interview or you were in a tunnel optimist. absolutely. oh yeah. how, how long list do you find up to me in the situation that you've just described, where wherever i am, even with that up to me is in the moment that the physical museum cease to exist 6th period? well, yes, of course. as you said, yes, the misery, the killing, the stop ration. i don't see where you find that optimism. some people might say you've lost touch with reality. no, no, i was there. i was the day and then all this i have been,

i live through this on my life. you see, i failed him to believe on the fact that crisis come was about 30 days. if you allow yourself to just let mint o as bad as i believes this is that, that doesn't take you anywhere. you would need to have cavities to say that this would not put us down as a nation. what capable of doing that things and then it you can go on saying this, but as the secretary general of the un, antonio gutierrez said, last month, your people trapped in a nightmare of violence, hunger, disease, and displacement. and you say this optimism? no, i'm not saying i'm not describing the situation as what you have up to. yes, i am saying you cannot look to face this glasses and if you are just complaining forever, that would not have probably seemed to be any sense of urgency. no,

that is that is well became doing the same things and the killing goes on. nothing stops nothing. but let me 31 thing you know is all dismiss that he's we give the will that he very important. i'm glad to find uprising that definitely to get us the military to get the ship was doubled by this was that easy? and 1964. we did it again in 55 and we did it in 2019 . so this was, and these people have accumulated, varies from experience or for existence. it's, it's an a 2 minute process. a very strong experience of human rights violation. yeah, yes. yes. and war crimes war chromebook, resolve this, this new did not detect us from putting this data in the palm. where did it cost the cost? this is the only 3 years ago. the last one where,

where did this extreme level of savage rate come from? why does it come from i? is it part of your people? is it by that for you? well, actually this is about adults because as then he's got a lot of video commodities. we are peace loving. we're out of never buying gold as a, as an issue. and you guys asked me cleansing is now becoming a huge future of is the civil wars and it, but you see all these issues are driven by small 900 smoking and even answer with the why the police, your 1000 profit sucks everybody. you just wonder whether this is i'm going to or not, but you see that the entities that the majority of this was and he's out of peace loving their lives together, the peaceful coexistence actually diversity is essential for students should not be sense of weakness isn't the ethnic cleansing the hardest of the motives to

address because if you're the wrong type, you die, don't you rewind to being the prime example of to 1994. the fact romeo, delaware, who left the un mission and ran to during the genocide, he said last month, we fear the suit on crisis is on the road to becoming a repeat of the 1994. rewind the genocide. i don't know if you should know. i know, i know, but i hope not new, at least the point what we had working tirelessly is to avoid that fate. and i think with the result of the determination of our people, obviously that needs people and the support of our friends and peace loving people in the world. we wouldn't be able to avoid this stroke about the work or do you lead a coalition of democratic forces cold talk. i do more progress. you've tried to organize piece talks, but negotiations have have gone no way in january. you signed to deal with the

rapids support forces including the cx 5, but it was rejected by switching these politicians. you're talking to parties that have continually broken the words. and i'm wondering what's the point of talking to people like pat, look, the yukon, trust them from one day to the next can do, which is the name of the coordination of civilian democratic forces. is the largest alliance officer, then these groups, which has together brought together political pop. these 3 unions and profession is secret society resistance committees, some of the groups and all that. it's because we had a very impressive funding convention. you know this above, in the end of may, june, this year, which we, we would want to utilize having to achieve anything approach in you'll go,

which is piece i, i know what i'm, yeah, i, the only thing that is we, we, this, this, this google was found admittedly 4 months ago. not expected to undo, such a huge legacy, but we put forward what a very sound the, the vision, political vision. but the rest of this to not allow me, i can just quickly outline the measure. kelly mcduffy. stop please. we do not believe there is a mini the dissolution to this course. we have to go through a political process, right? that's all there. isn't that, that kind of for you? i mean, i guess it's obvious, it is obvious, but because there are people who think it's not people to think they can win this war, which is totally nonsense. we think number one priority to the in this vision is the addressing whom attended clauses and address the protection of civilians as number one prior to this problem, doug in august,

there were american lead piece talks that kicked off in geneva. but so don's military didn't even send negotiate as this, so they went no way. you can't even get a ceasefire, isn't your priority to get a c spot and then talk when the fight and the guns have gone silent, should, will that be the priority? is somebody some risk spiked for that was why was saying, you know what, a vision number one priority is that and you know, it's not all the ups and you have them. there was a number of items before that it was dead which stopped it very well, but that is stalled quickly. then there is my now my wish was much better produce a very well documented shut down by the military. and then that is alps which the media that is mobile. how can i be a very good document when people go on time? i know it doesn't matter whether it's a good document or not. so unless you produce results and the results on coming down that is through. but the result of this come up there off from there is all

just has to be work. so when equalization, so the discussion, you agree on, on the document, you put it to the test and all that. why don't i think that's what it has to be. so when you go, just one of the things you said a moment ago, you talked about over throwing. oh, my associate who was president decades ousted in 2019. he was indicted by the i. c . c. twice on some of the most serious charges, including crimes against humanity. when you were prime minister, you announced september 4th 2021. but the suit of these concert ministers had agreed to extradite a bush year to the hague. why didn't that happen? still hasn't happened? do you recall that it, it's september 2020 when the court the police to but between 2 and one months after back one month. but why in that months didn't you send him to the heck it's, it's not that simple. we've sue's day when we came,

we had open, very fruitful cooperation with icbc. they opened an office, we started working. they produce 3 options for the pilots, whether at home on the vision or in the icbc and wedding gauging with them. there was a crew, as you said, but in november you were back again. you returned again to the prime minister's office. why didn't you send the ship to the hague? i said, i stayed one months and design. i mean that months we were trying to put the brake when the cool and, and do so many decisions that we had taken in the period of one months when i was in detention. but wouldn't it have been a huge symbolic achievement to sent him to tie it into the office as a prime minister? there was no government, there was no institutions. there wasn't loving i was trying to put

a brick on that. and it in the, to the transition meaning bring it back and it's fusions. doing all these things that were abolished by the cool, the effect of getting rid of it. but she, it was, was extraordinary. the crowds were you, far back around the country suddenly odd flourish, people were talking about politics. the west was offering to forgive your debts even back. and yet you couldn't hang onto this you for it. why not? it didn't last. why? there is one is, you know, the toppling of the detector. she had been because we all, you might had a very strong in united to them at that you have that. but from the 2nd the we had a lot of you could call it the divisions, people went back,

but i ended flags and all this. and we had this, this is a legacy of 50. it's. but this was your best johnson 30. you looked into it just, it was our best jones. after 50 years, we did a lot in 2 years on the economic funds that you've so many issues on the political front, on the little bit of so then from the state of a sponsor, terrorism addressing. so many issues you cannot expect a government that is being just transplanted as far as the cabinet to undo into years. legacy effects. yes. this is a don't thing is like somebody to, man, you're going to do you wish you had done things different day when you look back. so i leave that to the you have no regrets. no us to a town in the i a my question is very clear because we where and those where

a month that hun out of the people to make a mistake. so the chief, some would know that you have some but good ideas and the guy and all this. you continue to adjust to that you continue pressing for cease 5 for formula that will bring an end to all the cottage. but you, you have plenty of enemies of your own. and so don, the current government wants to put you on trial on a number of charges, including incitement to war against the state undermining the constitutional order of crimes against humanity. you've denied all these accusations, but how can you be seen by all sides as a observer, as a, as a, as an impartial broker. look this way you have these charges. how does this conception? well, i'm not a broker. so i have not mediated reading this because it we have to take

a line with the spanish and overall of people. so don't think about us as people there mediating between to box. no, we've got that with these charges. how are you? this is for what the government go to talking about. there's no government. this is a government suspended, but after communion this you can call it the fact to government because the international community wanted to deal with somebody that there's no government. yeah. for cuz there hasn't been a lot of help in this. you mentioned the we've just suspended what they just suspended, no incorporation with the go the not the suspension and difficult creation. this suspended the membership of the government because they have an industry in the penny unconstitutional. dig over for they come up under a ton, this has been this, we've gone from point to him. but they also, when the water broke, they had the stablish to highlight of his opinion on to them. led by a very able the 40, at least for my, for the new stuff. gonna have

a stablish that call me 305 presidents led by the president. that most of the neo for uganda, we expect them to do more expect them to help us, particularly with issues related to the protection of significance. underwood and gauging the ones we know that deficiencies and all that. but i think it is our premium content in the body and we are happy to work with them in, in, in, in the dressings, where they haven't had a lot more success than what they've set out to do then you have, i mean, they promise. but the guns would fall silent in africa by 2025. didn't say smoking a happened this at the sound of spanish and goals can be achieved by if there's no point where you keep missing these deadline to set the deadlines, you keep missing, you know, it doesn't help. the ability does one of the very distinguish pretty them fight that was in south africa, was asking 1974 when this apartheid would fall. he said in 10 years, it went to 20th. you thought of spanish and goals. we strive, produce them,

we might look at each them in this at the time, but they would come produce them with the results and determination of everybody or a new ideas you. you need new ideas, don't you? because because everything you've tried so far, hasn't worked out things well. what, what do we outlining having tonight, or have this vision or the paths protection of civilians use fire and political process was that we can use in which we call it around table con problems, which we expect to bring together all kind of, uh, from the asian political office, i'm working on that and we are actually moving in diabetics. does that do? is it it's, you know, many of that as well. i've looked inside, but i do. and i think we are not thinking about this as an event. so process,

which dick time with the course of that is as high sense of urgency because people are dying. but we will appreciate that very briefly. you can't go back to that at the moment. do you think we have come a day when you can't? are you worried about your safety even being outside? no, of course the talk is all the time about not only that position is that holding open lead by a feeling my cell phone colleagues, instead of doing mine all the way, i'm not different from what is happening to this with these people inside the company, the thank you very much for being comforted. so the most. welcome back to the

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