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kill animals. i shot you down, bang, bang. you hit the ground, bang, bang baton to see it very differently. then the problem is that part of the solution? it's a momento, a souvenir, it's conservation signing for itself of a saves of the animal world. wow. the hunting expedition into it and you weren't non just 70000 visitors more than 500 exhibitors . that is how can i help you carlo?

hang on, blast markets, his hunting trips. yeah, that's who the the boat is available there. teaser offers, like in the supermarket, dispute visitors are supposed to get an idea of what these trips costs. so i know the costs viewed it. the other thing vacation that's condo annual question, private farm in south africa costs are between 5 and 70000. yours. the german guests with that issue until the end, we have the permission to tag along we covered arrow costs to remain independent. finding the pray only required a few minutes of stalking. now

if i was hired, nice shot, double let, let's thank you. font beautiful for me, so even a perfect shot. good to know a good memory as the last name, as it does to you up on this even as we watch the animals. so the photo looks respect developments of either no blood or sweat as respectful display of the animal. the dog is spelled with this dispute. for most guests, the photo and the trophy vital to a successful hunt, la zebra should be 5. yeah. okay. so basically these all these other ones we mounted because i will email you with the details of lift drive to site. yeah,

trophy hunting is an industry in south africa. busy with your trophies on this side . we have repaired, it ended this lady. now it's done. we're making natural habits at withdraw sticking up, you know, ultimately gonna use some sandals. some of them send, bring that in. and natural grosse, artificial grass isn't the old seat of the contents and why we south africans grew up with hunting animals trophy. let's meet the game and so on. so it's just what we know. we can, and of course, for someone coming here from say, germany or austria would have it can be horrific. a shot and you can checks on the

condo, ingle replaced connex trophies and is familiar with the debate the, the pointed to the call at least the killing of the game is legal is sorry, i post pictures. and so it all the same. it showed the world that i'm not a shame twins and that it's all legal as you go up to the office. but photos like these attract criticism. many find it respect lists and crow papers only. there's also a few but, and people who get upset of the pictures are divorced from reality on the vehicle. biologist daniella for i am works for pro wildlife an organization she co founded 25 years ago to better protect wild life. healing were again, trophy, killing. let's isn't incompatible with the modern understanding of animals and

species conservation inbox. yeah, they're especially critical of hunting safaris. i'm see accompanying price lists. mm hm. you have some of the headlines too, that were relatively cheap. yeah, under 10000 euros females even for 5000 firms. thompson, can i madison has had just i'm visual behind the draw so crazy. cheap too. yeah, some were fairly cheap. and here for 1900 euros. also on sale, a small crocodile for 4000 euros, a plane separate for 750 yours and all the price for i have a bottom us that says from the i just find the tomorrow to put a price tag going to i'm going to say that's how much this animals life is worth. yeah, so here is to this living state has to stay at the dose, 10 of international trade and elephant tasks. i'm lion pellets is illegal. they're

not allowed to leave the country, but there is an exception for trophy hunting, which undermine species, protects and regulation. i think it's best to move in on time and yet. importing hunting trophies is sometimes legal, but pro wildlife wants a complete ban. a large lump ist in the hope that he would draw many is the use largest consumer of hunting trophies. and 2nd only to americans worldwide is germany fund import. the spot trophy, hunters would lose the incentive to kill these animals because ultimately it's all about stated and hanging your trophies on the whole onto to feed. so hold on, you know, it's not in the it may be a is one of the most popular destinations for german hunting taurus and maybe and

steven jacobs has been offering hunting safaris since 2010 for elephants. this bull elephant was shop the previous day by an american now workers will process the cale. so came around this ticket, you stopped the and started feeding on that motion then that line gave him a perfect brain shot wonderful down, finished everything over. you know, if i would one day die, i would like to go in that man as well. it's a switch that you switch off when it's finished. there's no suffering, no clay, no, nothing. the elephant was very old. okay? oh okay, gosh, let's get going. the elephants advanced age matters,

says the hunter, as to the big task, an elephant tons can cost as much as $100000.00 your rose. these pictures are disturbing to many, but show the realities of the industry. a $100.00 the elephant would like to have a side panel of the screen. i think he wants to make a rifle bag or softer i. full bag out of the skin. wildlife conservation is underfunded and trophies can offset the short falls that stephen jacobs documented lease. you cannot run this conservancy without pro fee animals on this conservancy . it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the isn't it good to be able to sacrifice one of those bowls in order to make all of the others live in this area? because that one who can do the protein that we give to the villages for that area

. that one boat can do. cash payments for the area, and it actually gives value to the elephants that one of the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the know numbers of elephants. the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory population stabilized at low levels in the 19 ninety's and says, all to use it. elephants are especially abundant in areas where hunting revenues fund conservation meshes. and stephen jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k . i think i think a long thing is to me is make sure that the good the, the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and, and most you main way that these don't take shots too far away. don't food if

you're not 100 percent. sure that you're actually going to kill that animal. if it's fenced in a small little fence and it's hundreds, it's going to be really called a pro fee on that you there are, they didn't because collecting because that's basically what it is that animal. that's good, no chance to get to what. so what is, what is truly fee or is it go beyond that? but we would need to learn of other practices that are controversial, even among hunters. germany's most important and help us to a trophy hunting lives in bavaria. chef on one village works for the international council for game and wildlife conservation, or see all i see there's been a says on the phone. when i 1st started looking into the trophy hunting issue. i was pretty know you and probably with an added to that many have a little dismissive because everyone knows these pictures, your home, everyone knows these videos for the disability, their kids. and they also had

a certain effect on me all by me, you know, to listen to this and steph, and wondering if she has a trained forester on tons himself, sometimes with his eagle. he campaigns against an import band on trophies and is creating alliances around the world, canada, and that's not always the issue about something that's really about sustainability in general. okay. quite interesting stuff. and a switch on you, michael. all right. bye was just going to full audit to new york is on if that's true for him. the debate has hypocritical system unless what's different from hunting in germany? so yes, good. the deer gets eaten in the end too is just like the antelope and then maybe in the media, i guess the, the total fear is the trophy is i don't want to degrade it, but it's actually a waste product was, is just not fun. well, the, the

sounds simple, but what does that really mean? we now have a few days of hunting ahead of us. it's the 1st time in, i don't know how long 3 or 4 years is that i finally have something like a holiday with all ready. bowman, 80 stefan ventilation wanted to shoot a video to base to the guide meet is about an hour to find the right one. the note if he gives you another shot cry and thinking again,

if he gives you another shot, the shot, it's got me something went wrong in the village. the beast was just in jet and fled. we will see if we can maybe catch up with him with a bit of down. um, we will definitely have to get another shopping in um, because if he takes over running again, this can take on 4 days, but we will throw bessie, see what we can do a nightmare for hunters,

the animals stuff us and its on clear if the truck goes can as i find it, the quick break 3 hours later. let's what is the specialist and what also fault of course you want your 1st shot to be a clean chill. so, but people make mistakes or minutes, and in this case you feel i am the one who made the mistake. and i'll see you though, i still can't work out what actually happened room and really supposed to get this a lot. maybe we'll get lucky and get close enough again. i'm one of them on the

and then 5 hours off to the faulty shop. the truck has spent the animal again. and he loves of the these down that. yeah. that was for this project was and also yeah, yeah, definitely. must have had a head down. yeah. but this is a perfect shot, but i the perfect joke. well done. you guys especially. i mean we are a team is incredible. we are a team. the

physical physical titles. keyless the head is just a part of the animal for your last sure you could just leave it here in the but they're going to treat it. and i can take it home with me as a souvenir from the hunting, and the value varies a lot, depending on how each hunter sees an inverse. how do you spell the sheets are supposed to fill? the, the teen takes the animals body to an indigenous, solemn vintage the oh, how are you? what uh, assume uh, hunters and gather is. but they're not allowed to hunt with bronx tools and the nature preserves in return. they get the meat from the trophy hunters, as well as some financial support inclined to find out what the small

but vital difference is that this way a lot more money ends up in the community. then when one of the locals goes out hunting a bonus on time comes on the forecast always. so these are on with great for the new was killed and we now distribution the meeting to the right. if i don't see anything wrong with it, and judging by their faces with either today or the owners, but there are also doubts as to whether this system really works. south african generalist adam cruz questions, the benefits of trophy hunting. one of his investigations spoke to world wide control to see when i published the se, so the on story. i had no idea that this was a story that was going to go global because this was not

a one of story. this has happened many, many times before and many, many times off the woods. and that story was picked up by the international priest and then it went totally global. there's renewed uproar tonight over that hunter who killed several. the lions in the home. well, it's talking about the us tend to, is to killed in line and involved while we're, is it that difficult for you to get any reaction that you need to kill? i wasn't happy with that. really. my issue with the story was to highlight the problems with the trophy hadn't seen industry, not the individual trophy, the hunting industry is problematic. adam cruise, even if it divides by all the rules, the pro trophy hunting people and governments state that trophy hunting is necessary in order to provide financial benefits for the local communities with the conservative. i'm going to prove that that is not the case.

and it may be, as nature preserves, are among the poorest regions in the country. money from all kinds of tourism is supposed to help low cost lives a better life cruise took a closer look to get this guy. hello. hello. do they give you money a route next? nothing. no, no, no, no, jobs job. no. and you can service and do they fix the broken? well, no, no, no, they know about that. but that keeping the water for themselves. have the money for the that the conservancy gets where do you think that goes from that money? we do not even been if you did anything as we are still subletting. what do we get? nothing. even visa, we did not gave a team these things during our travels without them cruise. we only met

a few people who benefit from the income like in this century, the people the benefiting directly of our said plus minus. let me put that out for the $1892.00 confirms that say each and every one will for the whole class. 6 sort of model does turkey hunting improve your lives gives you money. the weight will be on us. no. i cannot say wait a minute. cruise looked into the industry in 2021 on behalf of hunting opponents o. u. p. investigated $29.00 of $86.00 protected areas and found that hardly any income from trophy hunting was reaching the locals. the big question is, where does the money go? if it's not going to that community, maybe a little bit 117 years holding the money cruise match with the cham, another conservancy to confront him with the criticism. that is the way of

saying things. i'm quite sure because i got to meet level. they was seen benefit, did they? when you let them few up and push out cash benefits i brought in how i understand the benefits will not be understood by the next visit. we didn't get the feeling that much money was getting to the low cost hunting advocates criticized cruise for working full hunting opponents cruise assess, he's independent and only uses the officials that goes for his analyses. the thing that strikes me is the constant declining wild life. so this whole notion that conservancy is preserved, wildlife, and because they preserve wildlife, a full benefit, the communities living the is uh,

is incorrect with wildlife populations are declining. trophy hunting must not take effect in response to our inquiry. and it may be in government rejected to cruise this criticism in most protected areas that claims the number of animals is increasing and where it's declining, it's due to drought. so human animal complex. same bump way. and we met with one of the most active proponents of hunting tourism handbook, entrepreneurship when the pups runs in luxury hunting results here and is annoyed by the stereotypes of tre fee hungry tourists. so it has come as a new member, let's look at say white men who come here like this out. $581150000.00 for safari, a tooth which then goes into nature conservation come in and helps the pool. workers have all villages within this redistribution is also somehow wrong and go

do you want such a tough documents? argument the very past randy hunts himself anymore. today he wants to shoot an antelope meet for guests and employees. he owns an area and, and bob boy, slightly smaller than him the 30 years ago, which was a capital farm. now, happy tax from many endangered species. the or the status, the finance there's nature conservation through his wealth and hunting income to draw so

. so we need to be on the lookout because this is a walk on a button on like, you know, the parts of africa, the number of runny nose has been increasing in the south a valley. the fed clear arguments for the past in favor of regulated trophy hunting space, in case of 2 pages on the field when now on track. so having around 400 riley notes here in the next 5 years. because at some point time it would be possible to make a rhino a final thoughts or some european or americans to shoot to. and if that means the one animal pays for all of the conservation in the car, and i think it's great shots pull to the talk and finish us off for coming or the

private drawing and protection for small. so whats to sort searching here the forces, recruiting new ranges. there's lots of good men in these communities. there's thousands. we surrounded by thousands of people. so why, why go far, far off to funding, why not fund goodman from here and support your community? that's the key. the notices moved to mary maintains the rhino database with everything that we haven't because of as he has an f, one of them. so we create a photo albums and we put all the for the identification that we get made so that we can, we can see if you do have to create a new house. so what you want to do with this data is we went to analyze, right,

you population is progressing the past and other hunting organizations finance about a quota of the protection for special case, we've got a lot of independent dinah funding from, from diners outside on there on choose each property that's way their own china is are bringing in the funding through hunting inside of graphics and that kind of thing. so through they, they, they business model. but it's still not enough. the number of elephants in the south, a valley has also increased thanks to price clemons on his team to come back to poaching. in general, the number of elephants in southern africa has increased slightly. and because humans have pushed them on to small preserves populations aren't even sometimes overcrowded. they rage nibbling villages and destroyed crops, sometimes even happy tufts. the mighty bellow about trees important

ecosystems forms has gone up trees just imploded in front of the road. we have to have the corporate, the trees salsa from the climate crisis. but also because elephants eat the moist bob quinn voters, guess this is some progress design pounds tragic to see a tree that centuries old being destroyed. simply because we have too many animals to feed it. that's the challenge that system. don't we shoot 3 elephant for the sun go there for? yeah, i'm going complete nonsense. all the files is probably going to enjoy conservationist. daniela fry a is just as passionate as really perhaps, but her goal is to achieve an e. u. wife ban on the import of hunting trophies in brussels to use the data talks here with parliamentarians and also with the you commission are important and guessing these plans implemented. and that the e u as a whole ultimately found the impulse of trophies

hello daniella from ya on to green parliamentarian. if for those of course we're really pleased to see the majority has widened in the new parliament and for the people it's clear. so if you show that the majority of european citizens are against trophy hunting till seeing you act up clean and it's also about a certain prestige related to hunting, which in my opinion is totally outdated. the you would definitely be ready to take the next step to make some scripts and then the parliaments cool to bomb the impulse of trophies is a success for daniella freya and us sent back for stephan. ventilation. like most countries in southern africa and maybe a, a poses an import fund failing,

it could lead to fuel guests and less revenue which is why have, on the lease has allies in the ministry of environment and tourism. first of all, so far, so good as well. yeah. romeo ma'am where you and is the ministry spokes person? steph and one dimension updates him on the current developments in europe. are gonna send you 2 links this afternoon. you can do, you can read to a public statement of the european volume and above a sentence saying, um the be careful and effective band of, uh, trophy hunting and um wildlife traits. so and now they have okay things as is what it was not possible to implement only for

joe mean dominate, and all of a advocating for it and brussels on of you repeat live. all right, that evening. stuff on formulation meant with mac cpr newest to organizations supports and maybe in consistencies which are partially financed by hunting, to have that situation fill in italy and now it's back in germany. we don't understand why that's why jim in decision make us will make decisions on our behalf . we are really puzzled by that. to be honest. so here it's a simple question of equality and respect. if there's a problem, let's fix it to give a, let's fix it together. you cannot just bend things and you don't give us out of tentative. if conservation cannot put it on people stable, then we might also as well forget about conservation

an unusual encounter in south africa. hunting critic, adam cruz was about to meet hunting, organize a carlo angle published. so i'm interested in seeing how he is contributing to conservation. uh with pro fee hunting yeah, we'll call a single break and so far it's the 1st time the to have spoken. it's been not an argument saying that you're taking off the trophy. you taken out the base jeans off. that's b c. so a lot of cases it will be the case happening a, you've got a client in the place top dollars and you do, you allow them to shoot the biggest and strongest animal that you have. but so i want to have a few to with, with a guy before. and if you go to any farm and let's go back to the exit code. so he

went slow to use baseball. really pushed breeds really knows on his from the, the, to african rhinos. bases have been all most eradicated in the last century. may need you to that prize torres from the population of around 1000000 only 20 to 20. $5000.00 germane and poaching continues to threaten their existence where he does like angle crashed and money from rhino hunting and they protect that animals. this landscape kid was a foaming then skype, a created heavy cut, these mole, but last base of the game, also living kid, this farm. it has also conservation of venue to a certain extent, my grid is yeah. is that we gained up in this the stove in will way. you have animals that have venue,

like rhino is native friends and lines in these kind of conditions and all the wilds, habitat disappears. true conservation value is where you have an area that is pure biodiversity, where a rhino doesn't just exist in itself as a rhino, but it's part of a much broader ecosystem that functions absolutely. purposefully angered, believes that animals can only be safe, just they have a market value. it's all the countries span, the input of trophies. he has a plan b because he's also as far as the vending developed in the world abolishes the market value of wild animal funds. and you can no longer make money from them, then they have to go funds to be important. then we plant trees a monoculture. and then you'll only have eucalyptus trees. instead of 30 different wild species on one patch of land at

a football. it's one of the most contentious questions. how much does the trophy hunting contribute to habitat comes to the nation? the sun is setting on tri fi, hunting. it's an industry in decline. it's an industry that one day is going to disappear. so by creating those bands, it's going to stop in forcing us to think of other alternatives that are more progressive and will probably have a great benefit on the impact of by diversity on this continent. what's happening here is the opposite. it's even controversial among hunter's breeding lions to be hunted late to show you some of the licensing. yeah. any you would like read his work to create particularly attractive lion? there's a lot of money. no question. well, so office 1010. so that's my little bit of

a kid with probably the one that have an opportunity to, but it was maybe social 80, but then so it would be nice. the good. the big black to me, the result is customized animals, painted exclusively to the desires both the hunters. the condos does on people, the customer sees what's on offer is a full price for a full name. steve process, a medium line or a weaker line for less. it all depends on the price of it was even locked in price . it ministry style videos are used to promote the can tons, at least $1000.00 tech does, are reserved for the deadly safaris that's conservation. as farmers in south africa doing that and for life, we predict that. so the lines alliance all day and the well because people kind of

odd to come and not yeah for way cheaper than going down to line into well, the south african breeding centers. now account for almost a so just african lions that's really helping suspend the stuff to the slope. of course, i understand that people are troubled by the concept to him. but why doesn't anyone complain about the cattle that are slaughtered lube this lion? this animal is also bred and has been hunted while the cattle are slaughtered, the southern victory so often. but does this argument really make sense? first, ok. mays breeds more than just lions, fun thing. he stores meat from the other animals and sells it, but not flying. neat. so meat of the alliance, we just got it then photo way. you cannot do anything with it. it goes. if you stop

facing the lie and meet back to the lions to get the dice for alliance and then actually when they start fighting each other and it and then i saw, i saw the thing each other the hunting of captive bred lions is not to the rule about controversial exception. stale about 10000 and such animals exist in south africa. panama november 2022. the states if the washington convention on international trade in endangered species met to negotiate the future of endangered species. they'll be groups whirl so that because the agenda are included, the international train, huge of hunting trophies of them crew spoke of related on the hunting events on his research and that maybe he also met his adversaries. the hunters, the wow. yeah.

the couple of weeks ago i was in the media, i spoke to a group of 1000 with women and children conservancy. they say provides nothing. and yes, we keep hearing the story about these conservancy ease being successful. that they were making millions of dollars from activities like trophy hunting. this is the great conservation lie ends in hunting advocates, many paps. thank you very much. my name is willie boxed, i'm a member of the c i. c. i am a conservationist out of cimbawe outfit. a lot of our indigenous people are the venue. welcome to questions, but no speeches. i have to give you

a little narrative. otherwise i called us the christian festival. and often more than the minute of speaking without a question for the paxis interrupted, happens to be okay. if you don't want to, that's fine, i feel crazy. that's not what i would call democracy. could be that as it may okay . dictatorship is what i call. that's kind of ok. no it's. it's actually very funny. why is it room full of let me be in? see it and somebody else? and speaking our case, what stops me from going into the movie a is and speak to your people. because from what i hear from them, you are not listening to the a dash of interest. practically irreconcilable and more open dialogue might help to tackle the complex issues surrounding the topic. and also everyone feels hood

we and headed that so many problems. and we continue and editing those problems we, i'm a bunch abused we've what is the and that's what we have done. the last is never had an interest to bring. i forgot to any level the i just concerned about what they are concerned about. in the end, the trophy trade was nice and notably restricted nor relaxed at the conference escape. i know it is so about the mind. there is no one solution that's a problem on what we're looking for is just a recognition of the sustainable use of wild animals as an alternative model to. and even though i am older, the debate is as an impass bryce clements from this in bond for a reino conservation force is one of the few people working with both sides.

he's been fighting for endangered species since his childhood. the shooting something to hang on, the walls automatically was that a lot of people that would want to see it stopped immediately. they need to help us find sources of funding wise. and we need good people to come together with an open mind and find solutions to, to all of this. otherwise, you know, it hangs in the balance by good to go. the trophy hunting is controversial, but not every thing is as clear cut as it seems. that's the drums. what is clear is that protecting habitats costs the loss of money. and that's money has to come

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