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beyond the result, vs to many hunters are wrong. they kill animals. i shot you down, bang bang. you hit the ground, bang, bang baton to see it very differently. bang. but then the problem is that part of the solution, it's a limit. so a souvenir is conservation signing for itself of a save us of the animal world. wow . the hunting expedition into it and you weren't non just 70000 visitors more than 500

exhibitors. that is, you can, i help you carlo. hang on, flashed markets, his hunting trips. yeah. that's who the look on. the boat is available there. teaser offers like in the supermarket dispute visitors are supposed to get an idea of what these trips costs. so i know the costs view that the hunting vacation, that's condo, and no question private farm in south africa, costs between 5 and 70000. yours. the german guests with that issue until the end we have the permission to tag along we covered arrow costs to remain independent.

finding that pray only required a few minutes of stalking. know 5 months, hire no shot. got oh my pleasure. thank you phones. beautiful for me. so even yeah, perfect shot, good to know a good memory. steve. us name must be up on this him as we wash the animal. so the photo looks respect developments of either no blood or sweat as a respectful display of the animal. dogs failed to be the dispute for most guests, the photo and the trophy vital to a successful hunt law zebra. she'll be 5. yeah. okay. so basically

these all these other ones we mounted because i will email you with the details of less drive to a site. yeah, trophy hunting is an industry in south africa. busy with your trophies on this side . we have repaired, it ended this lady. now it's done, we're making natural habitats withdraws sticking out, you know, ultimately gonna use some sand or something to them send, bring that in and natural growth, artificial grass visions, i would say definitely comments and why we south africans grew up with hunting animals trophy. let's meet the game and so on. so it's just what we know. we can, and of course, for someone coming here from say, germany or austria, it can be horrific. a shot and you can check. so the

condo angle replaced connex trophies and is familiar with the debate. the devoid is the call at least the killing of the game is legal is sorry, i post pictures and so it all the same. it showed the world that i'm not a shame twins and that it's all legal as you go up close. but photos like these attract criticism to many find it respect lists and crow people's only these old for a few but and people who get upset at the pictures, credit card, divorced from reality, from the vehicle. biologist daniella from iowa. x, the pro wildlife,

an organization she co founded 25 years ago to better protect wild life. gillian, where again trophy killing. let's isn't incompatible with the modern understanding of animals and species conservation inbox until they're especially critical of hunting safaris. i'm the accompanying price list. it's me, you have some of the headlines to that were relatively cheap. yeah. under 10000 euros females even for 5000 firms to awesome. can i? madison has had just i'm visual because it's are all so crazy. cheap to atlanta. yeah. similar, fairly cheap. yeah. hey, a for 1900 euros. also on sale, a smooth crocodile for 4000. yours, a plain separate for $750.00 yours and off the price for i have a part of us. that as is from the, i just find you tomorrow to put a price tag on, i'm going to say that's how much this animals life is worth. yeah. so is this

living stay this table that the dose to the international trade and elephant tasks and lion pellets is illegal. they're not allowed to leave the country. but there is an exception for trophy hunting, which undermine species, protects and regulation of control to push to move in on time and yet, importing hunting trophies is sometimes legal, but pro wildlife once a complete ben, the thoughts lunch is in no hope that you will determine the is the use largest consumer of hunting trophies and 2nd only to americans worldwide is germany fund import discourse. truthfully, hunters would lose the incentive to kill these animals because ultimately it's all about status and hanging your trophies on the whole wanted to see. so hold on, so not in the

the maybe a is one of the most popular destinations for german hunting taurus and namibian. steven jacobs has been offering hunting safaris since the 2010 for elephants. the best bull elephant was shops the previous day by an american now workers will process the cale. so came around this ticket, you stopped the and started feeding on that motion then that line gave me the perfect brain shot wonderful down, finished everything over. you know, if i would one day die, i would like to go in that man as well. it's a switch that you switch off when it's finished. there's no suffering, no clay, no,

nothing. the elephant was very old. okay. oh and okay, going. so let's get going. the elephants advanced age matters, says the hunter, as did the big task, analysis and tons can cost as much as 100000 your rose. these pictures are disturbing to many, but show the realities of the industry. a 100 that 100 the elephant would like to have a side panel of the screen. i think he wants to make a rifle bag or softer i full bag out of the skin. wildlife conservation is underfunded and trophies can offset the shortfalls that stephen jacobs documented lease. you can order on this conservancy without pro fee animals on this conservancy. it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the

isn't a good to be able to sacrifice one of those bowls in order to make all of the others live in this area. because that one who can do the protein that we give to the villages for that area. that one boat can do. cash payments for the area, and it actually gives value to the elephants. that one of the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the new number. but as of elephant, the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory population stabilized at low levels in the 1990s. hunters ought to use it, elephants are especially abundant and areas where hunting revenues fund conservation meshes. and stephen jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k. i think if it go on thing is to me is like sure that the guy the,

the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and, and most you main way that these don't take shots too far away. don't food if you're not 100 percent. sure that you're actually going to kill that animal. if it's fenced in a small little fence and it's hundreds, it's going to be really called a pro fee on that. you. the other thing because collecting because that's basically what it is that animal, that's good, no chance to get to what. so what is, what is truly fee or is it go beyond that? but we would need to learn of other practices that are controversial, even among hunters. germany's most important lobbyist for trophy hunting lives in bavaria. chef on one village works for the international council for game and wildlife conservation or see i see it's been us on the phone. when i 1st started looking into the trophy hunting issue,

i was pretty know you and probably with an added to that many have a little dismissive because everyone knows these pictures home. everyone knows these videos, why and you can disability their content. they also had a certain effect on me all, but i'm, you know, to listen goose and stuff on one to the she has a trained forester on tons himself, sometimes with his eagle. he campaigns against an important band on trophies and is creating alliances around the world. canada and not not always the issue about something, it's about sustainability in general. ok. quite interesting stuff. and a switch on you and michael. all right. bye. when it does come to full audit to new york is on if that's true, then for him. the debate has hypocritical system unless what's different from hunting in germany? so yes, good. the deer gets eaten in the end too. is just like the antelope and then maybe in the media. i guess the, the total fear is the trophy is i don't want to degrade it, but it's actually

a waste product was, is just not feeling well to the sounds simple. but what does that really mean? we now have a few days of hunting ahead of us. it's the 1st time and i don't know how long 3 or 4 years is that i finally have something like a holiday. will ready bowman, 80 stuff on on the lease. wanted to shoot a video to be the guide meet is about an hour to find the right one. the

note if he gives you another shot, can i take him again? if he gives you another shot, the shot. it's got me something went wrong in the village of beast was just in jet and fled. we will see if we can maybe catch up with him with a bit of down. um, we will definitely have to get another shopping in um,

because if he takes over running again, this can take on 4 days, but we will throw bessie, see what we can do. a nightmare for hunters. the animals stuff us, and it's unclear if truck goes can as a find it. the quick break 3 hours later. let's, let's do this, let's, this was the new objects. also fault of course, you want your 1st shot to be a clean kill. so, but people make mistakes, women's, and in this case you feel i'm the one who made the mistake. and i'll see you though, i still can't work out what actually happened with the supposed to get this. all right, maybe we'll get lucky and get close enough again. i'm one of them on the

on then 5 hours off to the faulty shout. the track of span, diana mulligan. he loves of the dallas that. yeah. that was for us project was no thoughts. yeah. yeah, definitely must have had my head down. yeah. but this is a perfect shot, but i do. perfect. sure. well dawn, you guys especially. i mean we are

a team or incredible. we are a team the physical physical titles. keyless the head is just a part of the animal for your last sure. you could just leave it here in the but they're going to treat it. and i can take it home with me as a souvenir from the hunting, and the value varies a lot, depending on how each hunter sees an inverse on it for the sheets are supposed to fill. the, the teen takes the animals body to an indigenous, solemn vintage the oh hello, how are you? what do you get? what, uh, assume uh, hunters and gather is, but they're not allowed to hunt with bronx tools and the nature preserves

in return. they get the meat from the trophy hunters as well as some financial support. the kind of final, this is the small, but vital difference is that this way a lot more money ends up in the community. then when one of the locals goes out hunting a bonus on time comes on the forecast always. so these are on with great for the new was killed and we now distribute to the meeting to the side of it. if i don't see anything wrong with it, and judging by their faces with either today or the owners, but there are also doubts as to whether this system really works. south african generalist adam cruz questions, the benefits of trophy hunting. one of his investigations spoke to world wide

control to see when i published the se, so the on story. i had no idea that this was a story that was going to go global because this is not a one of story. this has happened many, many times before and many, many times off the woods. and that story was picked up by the international priest . and then it went totally global. there's renewed uproar tonight over that hunter who killed. so the lion in the home. well, it's talking about the us dentist who killed in line and involved way where is it that difficult for you to get any reaction that you need to kill? i wasn't happy with that. really. my issue with the story was to highlight the problems with the trophy hadn't seen industry, not the individual trustees. the hunting industry is problematic. sadam cruise, even if it divides by all the rules, the pro trophy hunting people and governments state that trophy hunting

is necessary in order to provide financial benefits for the local communities with the conservative. i'm going to prove that that is not the case. and it may be, as nature preserves, are among the forest regions in the country. money from all kinds of tourism is supposed to help low cost lives a better life cruise took a closer look. got to talk to this guy. hello. hello. do they give you money a route next? nothing. no, no, no, no, jobs job. no. and you can service and do they fix the broken? well, no, no, no, they know about that. but that keeping the water for themselves. have the money for the that the conservancy gets where do you think that goes from that money? we do not even benefit anything as we assume somebody, what do we get?

nothing. even visa, we did not gave a nice thing during our travels without them cruise. we only met a few people who benefit from the income, like in this century, the people that are benefiting directly of our said plus minus. let me put that off for the 1890. 2 confirms that say each and every one will for the whole class. 6 that's turkey hunting, improve your lives, gives you money very, to be honest. no. i can not see where the money's go. cruise looked into the industry in 2021 on behalf of hunting opponents o u. t investigated $29.00 of $86.00 protected areas and found that hardly any income from trophy hunting was reaching the know coal. so big question is, weight as the money go? if it's not going to that community members of the 170 years holding the money

cruise match with the cham and as a conservancy, to confront him with the criticism. that is the way of saying things. i'm quite sure because of the academic to live in the was the benefit, did they when you let them few up and fish out of cash benefits i brought in how i understand benefits will not be understood by the next visit. we didn't get the feeling that much money was getting to the low cost hunting advocates criticized crews for working full hunting opponents cruise. betsy's independent and only uses officials that goes for his analyses. the thing that strikes me is the constant declining wild life. so

this whole notion that conservancy is preserved, wildlife, and because they preserve wildlife they, they full benefit. the communities living the is uh, is incorrect with wildlife populations are declining, trophy hunting must not take that in response to our inquiry. and it may be in government rejected to cruise this criticism in most protected areas that claims the number of animals is increasing and where it's declining, it's due to drought. so human animal complex. same but the way we met with one of the most active proponents of hunting tourism pembert. i'm trip for now. when the pups runs in luxury hunting results here and is annoyed by the stereotypes of trophy hungry tourists. and so it has come as a new member, let's look, let's say white minutes, who come here like this out? $581150000.00 for safari,

a tool which then goes into nature conservation come in and helps the pool workers who villages within this redistribution is also somehow wrong and go do you want such a doc documents argument really perhaps rarely hunts himself anymore. today he wants to shoot an antelope meet for guests and employees. he owns an area and some bob boy, slightly smaller than him the 30 years ago, which was a capital farm. now, happy tax from many endangered species, the or the status. the finance, there's nature conservation through his wealth and hunting income

to draw so . so we need to be on the lookout because this is a walk run a mountain on like in other parts of africa. the number of runny nose has been increasing in the south bay valley, the clear arguments for the past in phase of regulated trophy hunting space in case of 10 pages on the field when now on track. so having around 400 runny nose here in the next 5 years. because at some point in time it would be possible to make a rhino available to some european or american to shoot to. and if that means the one animal pays for all of the conservation in the cold, and i think it's great shots pull to the top, unfinished as

a for comment or the private drawing and protection. forcible so which to sort, searching here the forces, recruiting you ranges. there's lots of good men in these communities. there's thousands. we surrounded by thousands of people. so why, why go far, far off to funding, why not fund goodman from here and support your community? that's the key. the notices moved to mary maintains the rhino database and everything that we haven't because of his he has an f one to all them. so we create a photo albums and we put all the for the identification that we get made so that

we can, we can see if you do have to create a new house. so what you want to do with this data is we went to analyze the population is progressing. the past and other hunting organizations finance about a quote of the protection for special. okay. we've got a lot of independent dinah funding from, from diners outside on their own choose each property that's way their own china is, are bringing in the funding through hunting inside of graphics and that kind of thing. um, through they, they, they business model. but it's still not enough. the number of elephants in the south, a valley has also increased thanks to price clemons on his team who come back to poaching. in general. the number of elephants in southern africa has increased slightly. and because humans have pushed them on to small preserves populations aren't even sometimes overcrowded. they rage nibbling villages and destroyed crops,

sometimes even happy tufts. the mighty bellow about trees important ecosystems. forms this got about trees, just included in front of the road. we have to have under the trees salsa from the climate crisis. but also because elephants eat the moist bob quinn, voters gas, this is some progress to assign pounds tragic to see a tree that centuries old being destroyed. simply because we have too many animals to feed it. that's the challenge. that's just not the we shoot 3 elephant design. go there for you and go, let me complete nonsense. all 5 is probably going to enjoy. conservation is daniella. fry a is just as passionate as really perhaps, but the goal is to achieve an e. u. white ban on the import of hunting trophies in brussels. to use the day, the torques here was parliamentarians and also with the

e. u commission are important and guessing these plans implemented and that the e u as a whole ultimately found the impulse of trophies hello daniella from ya on to green parliamentarian. if for those of course, we're really pleased to see the majority has widened in the new parliament and for the people it's clear. so if you show that the majority of european citizens are against trophy hunting till seeing you act up clean and take it, it's also about a certain prestige related to hunting. which in my opinion is totally outdated. the you would definitely be ready to take the next step to make some scripts and then the parliaments cool to bomb the impulse of trophies is a success for daniella freya and us sent back for stephan ventilation.

like most countries in southern africa, maybe a opposes and import fund favoring it could lead to fuel guests and less revenue which is live on delish has allies in the ministry of environment and tourism. first of all, so possible, as well. romeo ma'am, where you and is the ministry spokes person? steph, on one dimension, updates him on the current developments in your up. i'm gonna send you 2 links this afternoon. you can do, you can read the public statement of the european volume and above a sentence saying, um the, the be care phone is effect this band of a trophy hunting and why life traits so

and now they up, okay. thing as is what it was not possible to implement, only for joe mean, dominate and of a advocating for it and brussels one of your p live. all right? that evening, steph. and one of the nation ment with mac cpr lewis to organizations supports and may be in consistencies which are partially financed by hunting habits. situation. freelance, italy and now it's back in germany. we don't understand why that's why jim in decision make us will make decisions on our behalf. we are really puzzled by that. to be honest to him. it's a simple question of a quality and respect. if he's a problem, let's fix it to give it. let's fix it together. you cannot just ben things and you don't do 1st alternatives. if conservation cannot put it on people's table,

then we might also as well forget about conservation an unusual encounter in south africa. hunting critic, adam cruz was about to meet hunting organizer, carlo n. okay. so i'm interested in seeing how he is contributing to conservation uh with trophy hunting. yeah, we'll call the single break and safari it's the 1st time the to have spoken is the not an argument saying that you're taking off the trophy, you taking out the base jeans off. that's b c. so a lot of cases it will be the case happening. you have, you've got a client in the place, top dollars and you do, you allow them to shoot the biggest and strongest animal that you have. but i want

to have a few to with, with the go, the full and if you go to any farm and let's go back to the exit coats that he bought and sold, he's based boldly. pushed breeds really knows on his from the, the, to african rhinos. bases have been all most eradicated in the last century. may need you to that prize torres, for the population of around 1000000, only 20 to 20. $5000.00 germane and poaching continues to threaten their existence. where you just link angle, greystone money from rhino hunting. and they protect that animals this landscape kid wasn't foaming then skype, creat, haven't got these mobile life. these other guy, most living kid this farm, it has also conservation venue to

a certain extent. my greatest fear is that we gained up in this distorted p and will the way you have animals that have venue, like rhino as native friends and lines in these kind of conditions and all the wilds, habitat disappears. true. conservation value is where you have an area that is pure biodiversity, where rhino doesn't just exist in itself as a rhino, but it's part of a much broader ecosystem that functions absolutely purposefully. and your question believes that animals can only be saved if they have a market value. if other countries span the influitive trophies, he has a plan b because he's also a forester, a vending developed into the world abolishes the market value of wild animal funds. and you can no longer make money from them,

then they have to go funds to be important. then we plant trees a monoculture and then you'll only have eucalyptus trees. so instead of 30 different wild species on one patch of land or the football, it's one of the most contentious questions. how much does the trophy hunting contribute to habitats comes to the nation? the sun is setting on trophy hunting, it's an industry in decline. it's an industry that one day is going to disappear. so by creating those bands, it's going to stop in forcing us to think of other alternatives that are more progressive and will probably have a great benefit on the impact of by diversity on this continent. what's happening here is the opposite. it's even controversial among hunter's breeding lions to be hunted later. i show you some of the licensing. yeah.

you would like read his work to create particularly attractive lions out of money? no question. well, so office can cancel that my little bit. i'd be probably the one that i have an opportunity to maybe show showed a potential. it would be nice. the a good. the big black my. the result is customized animals painted exclusively to the desires. both the hunters, the condos, the details on google, the customer sees what's on offer, is a full price for a full names being processed, a medium line or a weaker line for less. it all depends on the price of it was even locked in price . here, ministry style videos are used to promote the can tons, at least 1000 tech. those are reserved for the deadly safaris. if that's conservation, the

as far as himself, ethic, the doing of answer lives. we predict that 3 lines to lions all day in a while because people candle ought to come and not. yeah. for way cheaper than going down to line into, well, the south african breeding centers now account for almost a so just african lyons, the notes here, the companies to send the stuff to the slow to you. of course, i understand that people are troubled by the concept to him. but why doesn't anyone complain about the cattle that are slaughtered lube this lion? this animal is also bred and has been hunted while the cattle are slaughtered, the southern victory so often. but does this argument really make sense? first, ok. mays breeds more than just lions, fun thing. he stores meat from the other animals and sells it,

but not flying. neat. so meat of the alliance, we just got them for the way. you cannot do anything with it, it goes, if you start facing the lie and meet back to the lions, they get the dice full alliance and then actually when they start fighting each other and that, and then i stop by stop eating each other the hunting of captive bred lions is not the rule that's a controversial exception. stale about 10000 and such animals exist in south africa . panama november 2022. the states if the washington convention on international trade in endangered species meant to negotiate the future of endangered species. and they'll be groups whirl so that because the agenda included the international train to funding trophies. adam cruz spoke at a related and t hunting event on his research, and that may be he also met tucson to this raise the hunters,

the of the wow. yeah. the couple of weeks ago i was in the media, i spoke to a group of 1000 with so women and children conservancy, they say provides nothing. and yet we keep hearing the story about these consistencies being successful, that they were making millions of dollars from activities like trophy hunting. this is the great conservation line ends in hunting advocates. many pub. thank you very much. my name is way past. i'm a member of the c i c. i am a conservationist out of some bob fit

a lot of our indigenous people, the venue welcomed questions, but no speeches. i have to give you a little narrative, otherwise i called us to christian festival. and often more than the minute of speaking without a question, but he packs, this interrupted, happens if we do that, ok, if you don't want to that, that's fine. i feel crazy. that's not what i would call democracy. could be that as it may. okay. to ship is what i call, that's not the kind of guy. okay. no it's, it's actually very funny. why is it room full of let me be in see it and somebody else. and speaking our case, what stops me from guidance in the media is and speak to your people. because from what i hear from them, you're not listening to them. a dash of interest.

practically irreconcilable and more open dialogue might help to tackle the complex issues surrounding the topic. knows every one feels hood being headed at so many problems and we continue and editing those problems. we, i'm a bunch abuse we've what is the and that's what we have done. the last is never had an interest to bring africa to any level. the just concerned about what they are concerned about. in the end, the trophy trade was nice and notably restricted nor relaxed at the conference. escape is d, i notice it's all about the mind was and so there is no one solution. that's a problem on what we're looking for is just the recognition of the sustainable use of wild animals as an alternative model to you and even all i am will that the debate is often impass bryce clements

from this in bond for a reino conservation force is one of the few people working with both sides he's been fighting for endangered species since his childhood. the shooting something to hang on. the walls automatically was that a lot of people that would want to see it stopped immediately. they need to help us find sources of funding wise. i mean, we need good people to come together with an open mind and find solutions to, to all of this. otherwise, you know, it hangs in the balance by good to go. the trophy hunting is controversial,

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