and the daughters i am willing to work for change. i will sing my song. maybe my voice will be heard. seeking justice for the victims of genocide starts november 21st on d w. the nigeria is back said the new president last year when he took over the german shapes of the west, african regional block aquila. he pledge to boost his country's influence after years of inward looking administration, economic malaise and security challenges. i spoke about that with the countries for ministry use of to go in a special conflicts own from the berlin global dialogue. how does he see nigeria stepping up with the leadership role when it confronts a domino of crews on its doorstep? foreign powers positioning for influence on the continent, the conflict into down and citizens leaving nigeria in the face of economic and security fear frontier in foreign minister use of took our thank you so much for

joining us on conflicts on from the berlin global dialogue. thank you for having me . let's beginning your region west africa. your government aims to reassert its influence after years of inward looking administrations. but you have this domino of cruise on your doorstep to in this a helm. you share molly and burkina faso all falling to military governments. it's not going to be an easy task, is it is not easy, but you have to look at the root causes of what we're facing today. the on constitutional changes of government. the direct result of the city of the east head strategy, the direct result of the uh the breaking down of the good that she's regina in the, in the, in libya they are, of course, a direct result of, uh, uh, trying to cub migration and the fight against terrorism and

the fact that uh, nigeria was not included in item of these initiatives. and with those factors in mind, what does it mean for you in actual practice? because you're the big player in echo us. this is the economic community of west african states. it's been key to your influence in the region, and now you have new share, malia and burkina, faso not only withdrawing their membership from eco awesome. they're also forming their own alliance. the alliance of saw health states, your zone of interest, language shrinking, isn't it? no, it's not. we continue to engage new share my, the version of fossil on other countries. we don't see them. and the thing simply by for noticing that they have left, there is a process of these countries i signature used to the echo us protocol. it's g tease of events, so it takes time. i'm in the meantime, we continue with full on diplomatic efforts. don't interrupt me. i know you. i know

you're fond of doing that. the cheap because i'll interrupt you to the cheap that's that they would. so we continue and you have groupings even within the f plus a community. you've got the manual revised. you've got uh we are part of the admin j t f for instance. so there's nothing wrong with having uh such a move things as being part of uh, of course. so it does not necessarily stand that it means that they stand in conflict with that with but ultimately, i mean, they don't seem as if they're interested in rejoining any time. so well, unfortunately you will see some impossibility of that would be joining in the next 2 to oh yeah, what do we do to make these diplomatic efforts? we're making headway. it's a process. it's not an event when your president took over as chair of echo last last year he said the following, and i'd like to to quote him. he says he would not allow qu after qu in west africa,

and that you must not sit in echo s as quote, toothless bull dogs. you know, when we look at the situation, echo, echo has failed to make good on a threat to militarily intervene to stop the coo and new share. because uh, the concern is the is and then the list is nothing said should then you lifted the sanctions that were intended to pressure up was, is the premier, has was what was the become a toothless both the community. so the priority is the people and not the states, not the system of government, and we will make rational decisions. just as we did the i, the threats of the use of force was one of several options. and that's a wait for minutes, but you didn't make good on it so. so the question is, how can you put a view on the net care and age what it was was about what you were looking for now on the dial me him on the keels? i've seen the non was so that's why we did not. well,

i'm asking you that because you, you have rational, i've to have the layout, it evaluated it under decided it wasn't the best thing to do. and the diplomatic efforts to continue. you have these values though as echo, as in just like we highly have them. we made on the economic integration, but also peace in democracy. i mean you, you really pride yourself in this nation and nigeria as being a nice and my wish in those countries. how are you representing less than that inspection? sure. with that in room for how can you like to see me, but because a constitutional democracy. okay. where did those values stand in the face of military? because a stand in the countries like an idea and other stuff continue to avoid them is done with applause. and this is what we will continue to do. we are a democracy. and at the was, is the communities of west african states, the prior to the focus is on the community of people. so when not just

simply to make goods on what foot 4 knows, we're not going to just embark on some sort of cottage i'm legit just so that you would say oh yes, they made good and there was a left to turn out to for an influence cuz you know, we have seen for an influence on the continent and i'm following this a hell cruise and burkina faso. molly new share that began in 2021. we've seen those countries reorient their security partnerships with french and us troops to now russia. and its proxy is russia is said to have the strategy of driving a wedge between echo us to extend its influence and under cut. the west is that concerning to you, and how concerning it's very concerning. influx, external interference in general, having uh for instance, unless scenarios or a private village companies as

a whole or preaching in the region in this a how is, is a great concern to us and this is why we continue to make different magic efforts. it's been, it's been proven to fail when external forces tried to come into f was to solve problems or to create spheres of influence. you can see what an idea was able to achieve in, in, in sarah new own in liberia when it led up to a month and restore peace to the elections and the continued under democratic administration. and this is precisely what we're also doing with the multinational joint task force that is succeeding and the fight against vote for hire. i'm in the lake, said the regents and what quotes and national joint task force is nigeria? it's new share. it's chad. it's kind of,

we're going to get to the security issues in this conversation, but 1st i'd just like to ask you because you were recently in russia, you said that you had an interaction with um 4 minutes to allow for off. were you given any assurances you said that you essentially, um, reiterated the importance of unity with an echo us. what did the russians have to say? and they told us that uh they uh, fully in support of peace in the region. i believe then. well, i'm a diploma. so no we wait to see what's your biggest fear we what is the rest of the right on the continent of nobody i know probably i trust but verify. so that's what i do. and what do you make of what you're saying? well, i'm watching and we continue our diplomatic efforts, spoken as the diplomat you, you have that one that as a generalist,

as you have said that your position and i'm hearing it here as well as one of the strategic autonomy and that you work with all countries so how much pressure, though, are you under to choose aside, we're not under any because because it is no need to press on the center we, we see countries splitting into blocks, right? the spitting into blocks over ukraine to some extent, there also, you know, spitting splitting at the box over the, the war that we're seeing on the continent in sudan that's raging. how difficult is it for you to maintain strategic autonomy? it's always a challenge of governance as a whole, diplomacy being part of the international community. it's always difficult because as a student of international relations, i know that the international system isn't and i'm not kick one countries fight and fight for the national interest. and because of that

it's, it's not a cable. so we're not expecting it to be that you know, country expects that. as we mentioned security challenges a little bit earlier. and i'd like to hit on that now because there are still a tax spike groups like i us and boca her rom and kidnapping for ransom is a huge problem in your country. for example, this year. and i just like to highlight a number of incidents gunman have it deducted at least 150 people in support of the state. um 287 students in doing a 200 people in born o. how can citizens trust your government if you can't provide the very basic needs for 0 from new york? how many people get shot to new york? well, we're talking about nigeria. well, i wanted to, you know, i'm making the point that, you know, when you try to highlights incidence every, you need to pick on every single incident and highlight. and you've never even been to the idea. or you just told me that you know, of,

into africa. so this is stuff you're getting from the, into that. so, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that, that is all that is going on. and the idea in your country that united states, the, the, the, one of the, the, that the, the candidates of the, of the bill of the, the leading patches for the presidential elections was which was shot will start that to do. does that mean you highlight that and just right of the united states of america? i'm just asking you what the my idea of life ariens are. i'm just saying as and there's some calling that's coming out of your, your country. and it says that the majority are of the opinion that you're not doing enough to curb could not view credit for this one. you can focus of on the negative if you want and create a narrative off of it. i want to hear what you're doing. but focus on the positive,

so we are a country of 220000000 people's. there will be a acts of violence. there will be conflict with we remain a deliberative democracy with making rapid progress in our nation building in development. and majority of nigerians live in peace. it's been said the extreme poverty, especially in rural areas, has made it easy for geologists to continue recruiting among frustrated. you spoke a rom has been described, the still being extremely powerful. no, that's nonsense. a ton nonsense. okay. i don't know where you're getting that from . i know you get all your information so you end up the you've never even been to. you've stamped out the grey homeless. the degree dates have you been able to stay on top of the hotels? you'll have sales or both for her. i'm that still a fridge, but it does not mean they don't control any type of truth. ok, so to describe the as that is a certain nonsense. well,

it's been described by very true. you need to check other websites. this one that you downloaded from is the wrong one. okay. well even if you're able to reduce violence in your country, how are you going to keep it out? let's look at the region more broadly. okay. kathleen poverty, add a list of securities, of focus on the things that we're doing this and this just as you are doing on just the last year on food security analyst have said, for example, i want to look at one aspect of this because i also said that the crews and molly new share and be for q and a fast, so have largely led to an increase in violence like transnational terrorism. and feel a little bit more organized friday due to the collapse of, uh, but how uh, how big of a lower ratio tackle icon lifetime phones. so we're having to do with that the g 5 . so i have the prism, but a kinase and i 0 was not a part of in comparison to what we will have part of which was a promo group that we lead success successfully reset to serial and reset to live

here and which we're doing with the multinational drum tassels, that's an idea for you. i'd like to turn on what they used to call us the goose bus . that's that was the idea. so another potential flash point for your security and i'd like to turn to the potential flash point between you and i on this stage. we don't have any flashlight. we're having a constructive conversation. okay. um, another potential flash point for your country. i'm on the thank you for not over interrupting me this time around. i think i flipped it go on. fair enough. um, another potential flash point for and i'd like to talk about another potential flash point for your security is the conflict in sudan. but the former prime minister of dela him duck says that he fears the civil war is quote, fertile ground for the spread of original terrorism. and do you share that fear? so i do not the only, but i share the fear of the repercussions on,

i do it because we have about 8000000. uh so, disney's, uh that of fine, and i do an extraction. so this, we have our largest dashboard that is done, which is why, you know, sometimes we wonder why, you know, there's, there's so much to inquire about migration and nigerians living in your, for other parts of the world because this, that they've done is all, i just have a desk for and it goes back in history because of the pilgrimage to mecca on foot force black. um so um, historically you have lots of nigerians in done so that's why we're getting involved. but unlike other countries, we took our time window of the terrain. that's why it's always good to work those

know the environment and on the terrain. we do not want a situation where we get involved and then would deem to be taking sides in the conference. was really want a resolution to the so where does your foreign policy put you on this conflict? because it, you know, for those i got to where i, you have the complex is, can you have an idea where to nearly live and running from? and if you have a being block, if you're doing filing your and civilian has been doing your searches from police, you would have seen that uh, on the last week i had a meeting with the so the news for him been stuff on the margins of the united nations general assembly, so to so how do you see nigeria as role then in brokering, i mean, typically brokerage solutions, yours is media to be the role and using the platform of the african union. okay. because we have seen these diplomatic efforts, and we've seen diplomatic efforts on the part of the us and saudi arabia. we've

also seen you said us. yeah, we've also seen regionally. thank you. god, for example, we are right. you tell me all right there. i just had inform you that we have history. we have done, we understand it very well. in fact, lots of nigerians, us denise or a lot of the news and ideas. so that's why it's always good to work with those in the neighborhood. so are you making, are you making news here right now? because i just want to say one right to make me make news one, add a list from your country has said the following. he says that no other country in africa has what it takes to fill this role to help build the prospects of a lasting piece into down. you're going to be playing a greater role on. i know the wouldn't be able to analysis. are you playing a greater role and brokering the solutions as well as the news we've been saying is mm hm. so we can expect the how does talk is what do you mean by that? you're able to move well, better yet, please visit my dear visit africa. for once,

i want to get final how, what do you make of the play though for international, you know, the international power dynamics, cuz this is a complex conflict, right? you know, there is talk a for an involvement, the u a. e is accused of backing the paramilitary rapid support forces. something that they deny around in egypt are arming the say. have russia is said to be playing both sides, the playing mercenaries? how much of an impact do you see this involvement having? and how concerning is it to you? what impacts of new jersey, foreign involvement, torn and well that full force horn? and that's what the conflict that's what's uh, is that should be the distribution. maybe it was. and that's why when a country like an idea, or if you look at the major is approached, the reason why it combines a lot of respects and difference on the african continent is we on one second. the

1st of all unable is that how much smaller than the nice ok, and it's clear that over the course of history, we do things shortly. i'll do actually with them all for the better interest of africa. that's why a lot of countries report so much confidence when we come in as mediators, it's happened going back to the sixties and seventies chad when we were having resolving the working on resolving the conflicts and chad. we had the chide conferences, inc ton northern parts of an idea, right? you wouldn't know, but when you come to nigeria, i'll teach you that i'm done with mediated there in the past. and that is why nigeria, nigeria said, don't forget, the major is in the countries that has a new permanent seats in the african union,

peace and security thoughts. there's a reason for that. i'd like to get a final thought from you about the play for influence in africa a little bit later. but before we go and i understand you have limited time, i must ask you about the state of the economy. your government vowed a reset of nigeria is and kind of me instead it's been described as the worst economic conditions and nigeria and 3 decades inflation, higher the growth vance, your boy towards the national dentist, 6 your awards lation. and that's again, as prior to starting with the said the old, by the way, higher than 3 have the was not your president has just and this actually happened the day he just, li, patients the all for yeah, on for last the 1st patient, you know, do you really think nigerians have time to wait as they do yours, a very vision, very understanding and they see what the government is doing and how much progress we're making. with metro atlanta looking for reforms until a company like a brand on scheme, a long trip to courage,

currency exchange. and so it's under mine, those microeconomic performance by allowing for money a laundry to the platform, which affected our exchange rate i'm into and that became a major set bucket for the my curriculum. but we're addressing that we're coming most, but i see you apply to the good. see. so yeah. tell me, tell me a little bit more about the protests because i mean you have had nationwide protests, you had them in august. you also have them again this week, the ones in all the white village where is the fatal patch in nigeria, it gets overblown. well, we call the deliberative, the citizens are allow or a rental of some of their policies exact low will flows actually. and that's what i would like to ask you. and so i don't know why in ohio was there is the prep, the hey, look, visit the process and i do the whole roof is going to cave in how high is the risk the leave it or not shake people's foundation though and not just on us we are the

more glass coffee and with that you have protests in your country, the united states. same way that you have protest care in germany where you live. we also have protests in nigeria. it's a deliberative democracy. people are allowed to voice their opinions and they have freedom of association. they have the freedom to express themselves and it should not be different. yeah. from the way that they are the fuel especially don't lie just like a nation, therefore, or look down. every one very quick question. all right, then we have to go and i'd like to ask you about the future, the youth, because you've talked about the moxley in your country and how you have such a strong young population. but a lot of the youth are, are saying and um are leaving the come towards the term there's, there's also like the commercials with jobs. i mine, i mean, send the said this one, but a lot of the use. well, it's estimated the more that more the reason why things where young people have

chosen where, where you're at home, over without websites or officials to. i know that you know which websites, that's your official stuff. which website events which website quoted by bbc, the 0 official statistics will be refined, bbc is major is over. so as the science about the firm niger and sleeping about the number of new jersey. yeah. yeah. we yeah. which is why we're having the reforms, which is why we, uh, we uh, and biking on which we was should have been discussing what we've done in terms of food security. what we've done in terms of inclusive between the associated investment programs, the infrastructure develop that is taking place in nigeria, the special economic zones. this is what we should focus more on instead of just highlighting the negative foreign minister to the thank you so much for your time. we very much appreciate having you on conflicts on from the berlin global dialogue . thank you for the conversation as always,

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