the training quincy starts, your offline been given by jerry, it is back said the new president. last year when he took over the german shapes of the west, african original block tackle, he flips to boost his country's influence. after years of inward looking administration, economic malaise and security challenges, i spoke about that with the countries for ministry use of to go in a special conflict zone from the berlin global dialogue. how does he see nigeria stepping up with the leadership role when it confronts a domino of crews on its doorstep? foreign powers positioning for influence on the continent. the conflict into down and citizens leaving nigeria in the face of economic and security here. right here in foreign minister use of took our thank you so much for joining us on conflicts

on from the berlin global dialogue. thank you for having me. let's beginning your region west africa. your government aims to reassert its influence after years of inward looking administrations. but you have this domino of cruise on your doorstep in this a hell new share, molly and burkina faso, all following to military governments. it's not going to be an easy task, is it is not easy, but you have to look at the root causes of what we're facing today. the unconstitutional changes of government. they are a direct result of the failure of the user head strategy. the direct result of the, um uh the beginning dawn of the good that she's regina in, uh, in the, in libya they are of course a direct result of, uh, uh, trying to cubs the migration and the fight against terrorism. and

the fact that nigeria was not included in quite a number of these initiatives. and with those factors in mind, what does it mean for you in actual practice? because you're the big player in echo us. this is the economic community of west african states. it's been key to your influence in the region, and now you have new share, malia and burkina, faso not only withdrawing their membership from echo oscar. they are also forming their own alliance. the alliance of sa health states your zone of into language shrinking. isn't it? no, it's not. we continue to engage new share, my leave or it's, you know, 5 so on other countries, we don't see them and leaving simply by, from noticing that they've left, there's a process of these countries i signature used to the echo us uh for to hold street cheese of events, so it takes time i'm in the meantime, we continue with full on diplomatic efforts and don't interrupt me. i know you,

i know you're fond of doing that. the cheap because i'll interrupt you to the cheap . that's the big wood. so we continue and you have to do things even within the f o us a community. you've got the, my new revise you've got, uh, we are part of the admin j t f for instance. so there's nothing wrong with having uh, such a groupings as being part of uh, of course. so it does not necessarily stand that it means that the standing conflicts with that with but ultimately, i mean, they don't seem as if they're interested in rejoining any time. so well, unfortunately, you will see some impossibility of that would be joining in the next 2 days. oh, you would do virginia to make these diplomatic efforts. we're making headway. it's a process. it's not an event when your president took over as chair of echo last last year he said the following, and i'd like to to quote him. he says he would not allow qu after qu in west africa, and that you must not sit in echo s as quote, toothless bull dogs. you know,

when we look at the situation, echo, echo has failed to make good on a threat to militarily intervene to stop the coo and new share. because uh, the concern is the is and then the list is no bank searches. then you lifted the sanctions that were intended to pressure up was, is the community has as well since they've become a toothless both the community. so the priority is the people and not the states, not the system of government. and we will make rational decisions just as we did the i, the french of the use of force was one of several options. and that's a wait for minutes, but you didn't make good on it. so. so the question is, how can you put a view on the net care and age what it was was about what you were looking for now on the dial me him on the keels? i've seen the non was so that's why we did not. well, i'm asking you that because you, you have rational, i've to have the layout,

it evaluated it under decided it wasn't the best thing to do. and how much effort continued you have these values though as echo, as in just like we've, i will have them. we've been on the economic integration, but also peace and democracy. i mean you, you really pride yourself in this nation in nigeria as being on the use of my will pushing those countries. how are you re presenting the balance to shipped? sure. with that in room for how can you like to simply move back to cause a constitutional democracy. okay. where did those values stand in the face of military cause a stand in the countries like an idea and other stuff continued to oppose them. this done with f less, and this is what we will continue to do. we are a democracy, and it was, is the community chief way of west african states, the priority the focus is on the community of people. so when not just simply to make goods on what we're for now as we're not going to just embark on

some sort of uh, kind ej and legit just so that you would say, oh yes, they've made good on their what i'd like to turn out to for an influence, cuz you know, we have seen for an influence on the continent and following that's a hell cruise and burkina faso. molly new share that began in 2021. we've seen those countries reorient their security partnerships with french and us troops to now russia. and its proxy is russia is said to have the strategy of driving a wedge between echo us to extend its influence and under cut. the west is that concerning to you and how concerning it's very close ending. in fact, uh, external interference in general, having uh for instance, unless scenarios or a private village companies as a whole or preaching in the region in this a how is, is

a great concern to us. and this is why we continue to make a different much efforts. it's been, it's been proven to fail when external forces tried to come into f was to solve problems or to create spheres of influence. you can see what an idea was able to achieve in, in, in sarah new own, in liberia, when it led up to a month and restore the piece to the elections and the continued under democratic administration. and this is precisely what we're also doing with the multinational joint task force that is succeeding and the fight against both will have around uh, in the lakes at the regents and what the national joint task force is. nigeria, it's new share. it's chad. it's kind of, we're going to get to those security issues in this conversation. but 1st, i just like to ask you because you were recently in russia. you said that you had

an interaction with form minister, laughed ralph, were you given any assurances? you said that you essentially reiterated the importance of unity with an echo us. what did the russians have to say? and they told us that uh, they are fully in support of peace in the region. i believe then. well, i'm a diploma. so no we wait to see what's your biggest fear we what is the rest of the content of the dougherty. i know poverty, i trust, but verify. so that's what i do. and what do you make of what you're saying? well, i'm watching and we continue our diplomatic efforts spoken as a diplomat. you, you have done that as a generalist. yes. you have said that your position and i'm hearing it here as well

as one of the strategic autonomy and that you work with all countries. so how much pressure, though, are you under to choose aside when those on the end? because, because is normally the 1st time it cetera we, we see countries splitting into blocks, right? the spitting into blocks over ukraine to some extent, there also, you know, spitting splitting into a box over the, the world that we're seeing on the continent in sudan that's raging. how difficult is it for you to maintain strategic autonomy? it's always a challenge. governance as a whole, diplomacy, being part of the international community is always difficult because uh, as a student of international relations. i know that the international system isn't and i'm not kick one countries fight and buy for the national interest. and because of that it's, it's not a cable. so we're not expecting it to be that, you know,

country expects that. we mentioned security challenges a little bit earlier and i'd like to hit on that now because there are still attacks by groups like i us in, boca her rom and kidnapping for ransom is a huge problem in your country. for example, this year. and just like to highlight a number of incidents gunman have it deducted at least 150 people in support of the state. um 287 students in doing a 200 people in bore know how can citizens trust your government if you can't provide the very basic needs for 0 from new york? how many people get shot to new york? well, we're talking about nigeria. well, i wanted to, you know, i'm making the point that, you know, when you try to highlights incidence every nix, fix on every single incident and highlights. and you've never even been to the idea or you just told me, you know, visit africa. so this is stuff you're getting from the into that. so, you know,

it doesn't necessarily mean that, that is all that is going on and they do it in your country. the united states, the, the, the, one of the, the, that the, the candidates of the, of the bill of the, the leading prices for the presidential elections was which was shocked with stuff that to do. does that mean you highlight that and just right of the united states of america? i'm just asking you what the variety of life ariens are. i'm just saying as and the here's some calling that's coming out of your, your country. and it says that the majority are of the opinion that you're not doing enough to curb kid not view credit for christmas. one, you can focus on on the negative if you want and create a narrative, ought to be. i want to hear what you're doing. but focus on the positive, so we are a country of 220000000 people's. there will be

a acts of violence. there will be conflicts, but we remain a deliberative democracy with making rapid progress it on nation building in development. and majority of nigerians live in peace. it's been said that extreme poverty, especially in rural areas, has made it easy for g is to continue recruiting among frustrated. you spoke of her rom has been described still being extremely powerful. no, that's nonsense. i tell nonsense. okay. i don't know where you're getting that from . i know you get all your information. so you and i'm about to go to, you've never even been to, you've stamped out the great home really degraded. have you been able to get a copy of her else? you have sales or vote for her. i'm let's do a fridge, but it does not mean they don't control any tighter cheese. ok, and so to describe them as that is a certain nonsense. well, it's been described. i very true. you need to check other websites. this one that

you downloaded from is the wrong one. okay, well even if you're able to reduce violence in your country, how are you going to keep it out? let's look at the region more broadly. ok, how clean poverty title is? have securities, focus on the things that we're doing this and this just as you are doing all just help me finish up with ashley on food security analyst have said, for example, i want to look at one aspect of this because, and also said that the crews and molly, new share, and the for keen, a fast to have largely led to an increase in violence like transnational terrorism on zillow before this friday due to the collapse of, uh, but how uh, how big of a lower ratio tackle act than lifetime phones. so we're having to do with it the g 5. so i have a prism, but a kinase and i 0 is not a part of in comparison to what we will have part of which was eco mode. but we lead success successfully resettle silvio. and we settled liberia on which we're doing with the multinational tassels. that's an idea for you. i'd like to turn on

what they used to call us both bus. that's that was the idea. so another potential flash point for your security and then i'd like to turn to the potential flash point virginia and i on this stage we don't have enough flash. why? we're having constructive conversations. okay. but another potential flash point for your comp time on the thank you for not over interrupting me this time around. i think i flipped it go on fair enough. another potential flash point for and i'd like to talk about another potential flash point for your security is the conflict into down the former prime minister of dollar home doc says that he fears the civil war is quote, fertile ground for the spread of regional terrorism. and do you share that fear, or i do not the only, but i share the fear of the repercussions on my dear i,

because we have about 8000000. uh so, disney's, uh that of fine and i do an extraction so that we have our largest dashboard is done, which is why, you know, sometimes we wonder why, you know, there's, there's so much to and cry about migration and nice year ends living in your for other parts of the world because this that they've done is our largest dash 4 and it goes back in history because of the pilgrimage to mecca and fluids for us. black. um, so historically you have lots of nigerians in done so that's why we're getting award for unless other countries we took our time, we know the terrain. that's why it's always good to work with those know the environment and on the jury. we did not want a situation where we get involved and then were deemed to be taking sides in the

conference was really want a resolution to the so where does your foreign policy put you on this conflict? because, you know, for those i got away. i you have the conflict is, can you have an idea where junior, we went and warning of i'm and if you had a being blocked a few, i didn't file your and civilian had been doing your searches properly. you would have seen that the only last week i had a meeting with these denise foreign minister on the margins of the united nations general assembly. so so how do you see nigeria as role then in brokering me typically brokerage solutions, yours is media to be the role and using the platform of the african union. okay. because we have in his diplomatic efforts, we've seen diplomatic efforts on the part of the us and saudi arabia. we've also, as you said, us. yeah, we've also seen regionally. thank you. god, for example,

we are right. you tell me all right there. i just getting a song you that we have history, we have done, we understand it very well. in fact, a lot of nigerians us the news or let us the news and i years. so that's why it's always good to work with those in the neighborhood. so are you making, are you making news here right now because of that, and i just want to say one mind to make me making one add a list from your country has said the following. he says that no other country in africa has what it takes to fill this role to help build the prospects of a lasting peace into down. you're going to be playing a greater role in our lives, the wouldn't be able to analysis. are you playing a greater vol and brokering solutions? well, it's not news we've been saying. mm hm. so we can expect the, how does the copies what my materials are more? well, better yet, please visit my dear visit africa for once. i want to get final.

what do you make of the play though, for international, you know, the international power dynamics, cuz this is a complex conflict, right? and you know, there is talk of foreign involvement. the u. a. e is accused of backing the paramilitary rapids support forces. something that they deny around in egypt are arming. the say of russia is said to be played both sides, the playing mercenaries. how much of an impact do you see this involvement having? and how concerning is it to you, or what impacts of yours foreign involvement horn and well that 44 and 4 and 5. that's what conflict that's what's uh, is that the data distribution made it was. and that's why when a country like nigeria, if you look at the nigerians approach, the reason why it combines a lot of respects and difference on the african continent is we on one second. the 1st of what i need was that, how much smaller than the nice, okay,

and it's clear that over the course of history, we do things shortly. i'll do actually with them all for the better interest of africa. that's why a lot of countries report so much confidence when we come in as many digits. it's happened going back to the sixties and seventies chad when we were having resolving the working on resolving the conflicts and chad. we had the chide conferences inc. time with northern parts of an idea or you wouldn't know, but when you come to nigeria, i'll teach you that was done with me due to the in the past. and that is why nigeria major said, don't forget, the major is in the countries that has a new permanent seats in the african union, peace and security thoughts. there's a reason for that. i'd like to get

a final thought from you about the play for influence in africa a little bit later. but before we go on, i understand you have limited time. um, i must ask you about the state of the economy. your government vowed or reset of nigeria is and kind of me instead it's been described as the worst economic conditions and nigeria and 3 decades inflation higher. who does the growth vance, your cost, the message that says sticks your words lation. and that's again, as prior to starting with the said the old, by the way, higher than 3 have the was, your president has just, and this actually happened the day he just, li patients the or for the ones or lasted for a patient, you know, do you really think nigerians have time to wait as they do yours are very efficient, very understanding and they see what the government is doing and how much progress we're making with metro economic default reforms until a company like that. brands came a long trip to courage. the currency exchange,

and so to undermine those microeconomic performance by allowing for money a laundry through the platform, which affected all exchange rates i'm into. and so that became a major setback for the my curriculum. what we're addressing that we're covering, most of that i see you apply to the good. see. so yeah. tell me, tell me a little bit more about the protests because i mean you have had nationwide protests, you had them in august. you also have them again this week, the ones in august i did that. where where is the fatal patch in nigeria it gets overblown. well, we got a deliberative delay defense our asset allow or a restful of some of their policies exact low will pull. exactly. and that's what i would like to ask you. and so i don't know why in ohio, but there is a prep. the hey, look, visit visit for just an idea. the whole roof is going to cave in how high is the risk the leave it or not shake people's foundation, though, and not just on us. we are the most nascar for him way,

but you have protests in your country the united states. same way that you have protest care in germany where you live. we also have protests in nigeria. it's a deliberative democracy. people are allowed to voice their opinions and they have freedom of association have of freedom to express themselves and it should not be different. yeah, from the way that the fuel especially don't lie just like a nation, therefore, or look down. every one very quick question. all right, then we have to go and i'd like to ask you about the future, the youth, because you've talked about the moxley in your country and how you have such a strong young population. but a lot of the youth are, are saying and um, are leaving the come towards the term there's, there's also like commercials with jobs. i mine, i mean san diego said this one, but a lot of the use. well, it's estimated that more that more than way too many things where you 100 people

have chosen where, where you're am over with websites or officials to. i know that you know which websites. that's your official stuff. which website events which website quoted by bbc. the 0 official statistics will be refined, bbc is major, is official as the science about the firm niger and sleeping about the number of new jersey. yeah. yeah. yeah. which is why we're having the phones, which is why we, we are embarking on which we was should have been discussing what we've done in terms of food security. what we've done in terms of inclusive between the associated investment programs, the infrastructure develop that is taking place in nigeria, the special economic zones. this is what we should focus more on instead of just highlighting the negative foreign minister to the thank you so much for your time. we very much appreciate having you on conflicts on from the berlin global dialogue . thank you for the conversation as always, you've been so wonderful with you again the,

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