i'll be back at the top of the hour with more of old news. i hope to see you that the i sorry, so one on 6 times to please come and see more people than ever on the move worldwide in such an one. great timing question. it's very hard to say very difficult to find out about time on storing info my grands. my ceiling is a, is a permanent, the internationally active critic of the rainy and regime, a journalist, an activist. she left the wrong in 2009 for the united states, where she currently lives here in berlin to commemorate the anniversary of the fall

of the berlin wall, she learned that us authorities had again foiled on the attempt, ordered by the ring and regime to assassinate her together with her, we discussed the dangers of being an outspoken critic of the rain and regime and what she thinks western country should do to support women in a ron the let's say we can adjust. thank you very much for joining us. that dw, today, now you were here in berlin when you heard from us all stories that they had carried out. arrests of people involved in another plot to assassinate you. it's not the 1st one involving also the regime and the ron. how does that make you feel? to be honest, 1st, i was shocked, but now i'm angry because this is been like, uh, the 3rd attempt in my life. a 1st was a tip not being put on the f. b, i charged for people. then the f. b, i a rest of the man from us are by john,

a criminal with a k 47 in front of my house in brooklyn, waiting for me to kill me. and i sold ok finally i'm going to be saved. but it shows the, the, the word safe is to luxury for those of us. so there are 2 challenges. i'm a good property. so then i heard from the f b, i s one as they arrived in berlin that they arrested 2 other men. and it was quite a scary as well because i read the indictment that the 2 men who were assigned to kill me. they were actually taking pictures of the university therapy and university, which i was supposed to go there and give a talk about my campaign against compulsive bathing and the 2 killers spend many times in front of my house, which i'm not even there. i've been moved to 21, the safe houses, but it seems that they're really determined to, to kill me. so i'm happy, i'm alive. does that make you in any way?

don't think again about what you're doing about your, your activism, about your, your fight against the regime or does it give you more strength? how does that make you feel? so 1st of all, i have to say the person who was assigned to hire the killers in new york. that was the same person, 5 whole chalk a who was assigned to kill president. ok. so that actually shows you something that these nominate republic demoralized with weapons guns and bullets this sketch. women like me, the same level of they scared the president of united state of america. so that gives me hope that actually makes me more determined to fight them back. and my heroes are women in the front line any wrong losing their eyes, but not losing their whole. the mothers of those who got killed, but now they become the voice of their daughters their songs and saying that we're not going to get bob who would bring the ward of dictatorship done on, you know what it is. very emotional for me. i came here to celebrate the phone of

the building bold. the university is here, saw i was here by the invitation of the city after the spring or was trying to talk about the fall of the burning wall. and i was like, wow, this is the moment actually showing your that there are many, was what was of oppression everywhere in my country. wrong. i've gone, it's gone everywhere, and we have to fight them back because the women inside the countries, they're facing the same killers every day. so i'm being protected, but they don't have any protection, but they're still fighting. so i would be louder to fight against them. do you feel that people like you who had left the wrong or being protected enough from the by the countries where they're now living? to be honest in america. yes. the line force month uh the f b i, i'm very pleased that they protected me, but i have to say that john sheet shar, math was kidnapped. the way doesn't mean yours. you actually were planning to tip,

not me, approval laws, i'm a french citizen, was kidnapped as was so general citizen, french citizen, it just breaks my have my heart. that's why it they should, they should have been alive like me now, but they lost their race and the job she was executed that will allow the father of 2 children was executed as well. so i think it's not about me that many disciplines and journalists inactive is living in germany, leaving united state of america, living everywhere, they need the same level of protection as well. so for me, i have to say that i have no fear for my life, but i believe trans national repression is likely to have a tool in the hands of dictators like rock shaw china is that make it public to target the freedom of speech. the western values, the national security of the western countries, and that should be protected. i'm pleased to be protected,

but i want the western countries to protect democracy. now speaking of john choose from on a dual. iranian german national was recently executed in iran. and we've heard from his daughter, members of his family, but also from other activists that, that through, i mean, my heart is broken because i could have been john should sharma when they kidnapped him. my picture was everywhere saying next is nice the advantage. so it could have been me, it could have been you, it could have been any of us that the german government, the us government could save his life. they didn't. when i was here with close out of the call, you would see mom were on the big you would meet women who lost their eyes during women life freedom uprising. the foreign minister refused to meet with us with the same foreign minister saying that the german foreign policy is based on feminism, to meet with the total us meet with the foreign minister of the is that make it public? and today i see actually one of the journalist interviewed the foreign minister

does that make it public? and he claimed that, you know, it's okay. i mean, now we have to continue our relation, diplomatic relation, what kind of diplomatic retention this some of the public doesn't understand. the language of diplomacy, only one language, stay on the sign, language of pressure. i. so they've done otherwise they go often more german citizens and they were killing more innocent people like timesheets young. but do you really think that actually not speaking to the regime at all, would have actually brought out someone like jump, she sharma. how would have been possible, we've heard his daughter, for example, a calling for a prisoner exchange on the style that happened recently with a political prisoners and journalist in fulton's. russia, on the one hand, is that also not a risk of basically incentivizing iran and taking more people as hostages, basically arresting them and then asking for something in their turn from the west

. that's a very good question. my brother was a hostage in the hand of this verbally crushing, my heart was broken because i was asked to compromise, to keep quiet in order to see my brother free. it was difficult for me. i didn't do that. instead i became louder and giving them like, you know, speeches and going everywhere and talking against them. that's how i got my brother free from prison. so i'm just an ordinary women. i'm not in power, but the powerful leaders, the us government, the u. k. government, german governments, french government, government, across the globe. they have the national citizens in prison. imagine a day, all these leaders jets united and send the sick onto the stomach, a property downgrading the diplomatic relations with his stomach republic saying that you'll have to free old the doing national since then. you will have to free all the innocent political prisoners. that's how you take the hostage out from the

prison with handling out money. basically, you're telling that you're on your resume. okay. go after more, you know, us citizens, more german citizens because this is how you can make money. and you can go after more, you know, hostages, this is the hostage taking diplomacy. and i have a simple question. your neighbors raping their daughters, their sisters, they boys and girls, their children. what would you do to give them money? you go on, negotiate with them. know you called the police. this is the regime ray, frank, teenagers raping women, raping innocent prisoners. don't negotiate with them. make them accountable. that's how the whole war got united. when they all parked side in south africa was empower. isolated them. that's how the unity health, the one of the building to fall. so what is the difference between general project

regime and the gender like the they all parts are doing side off the call or the burning war was a symbol of tyranny. oppression. so this damage of property is the same. so we have to understand that negotiation is not going to get off every, like 2 decades. germany is spend the resources of german people, the tax payers, to negotiate with the government. what have you achieved? nothing. now the time has come, close the war, the doors of diplomacy toward the dictators and opened the doors toward people. we know that the german governments now wants to push for more sanctions against iran . in particular. they want to try to the you to classify the revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization and apply terrors sanctions. do you think that could have an impact on the regime also given the big economic influence of the revolutionary guard in the country? absolutely, because the revolutionary guards are not there to support me, to support co star,

to support no heat. she appreciate to support, and i guess mom or the, i guess will splunk because these are not just a stack of 6. they are in prison because the revolution guards putting them in pressure and bullying them, shooting against innocent people are revolution. garza is the same group that's sending money to him last to go see and yeah, on tuesday is will last sending drones to 14 to kill innocent ukrainians. how come the democratic countries putting the back no group off or off showing the terriers list, but when it comes to the biggest ally of back in a group routine, they southern they say that that's just my goal shared with them. we want the leaders of democratic countries to be as united, as dictators as 14 on comedy, china, venezuela, all the dictators on back in utah and they're supporting to show their voting for each other, providing technologies for various weapons, money, ministry, everything. now, um, last year you were, you were in berlin and you cancelled

a meeting with an official of the foreign ministry here in berlin. because you said you were requested to keep quiet about the meeting and about what was discussing this meeting. the 4 ministry said that they normally do this to basically provide a safe space for people to discuss things freely. what is uh, have you had any contact with the german government since then? have you spoken to anyone that before a ministry of course, because i never gave off. i'm a woman from iran. i carry the rules and scores of an oppressive regime, always pushing us back saying no to us, we never give up. so i again reached out to the foreign minister for another meeting. so from her office they promised me that in next visit. so i still want to meet with the foreign minister and german government. i had the pleasure to meet with the president and the mayor here very please. because his name is the

city of freedom, city of hope for many of this attends like um like me and disciplines like like the they never have the opportunity to express themselves. so honestly, hopefully the one day we can sit down and find a solution to stick together i. i strongly believe that people like me and people like now, guess well how many to another price when his in prison like business since we are better allies for german people are compared to these blackboard molded us. the foreign minister of germany had a meeting with the farm and the surface that make it public. so they take some of the theme and politicians in the west. they take pictures with toddler. one. then how come you want to take pictures with them, but not with us because you want to us to give us a safe space safe. a space for us is to show your so the data to, to show your sister who and proud and you stand shoulder to shoulder with the women of your own. and i've got a son who say no to dictatorship,

has really no job. thank you very much. thank you so much appreciate your platform the if you ever visit how, what do i need but some of the capital city then one of the place of you must visit is pack i live me. located is 15 kilometers north of the city center. you will find a mix of places to eat, so she lives and get down to business. you and i are going to have fun exploring. but 1st she was, she can find on today's episode, we need the inc sisterhood. a group of female bike has been a robi, defying serial type in the mail dominated world of speed on 2 wheels. discover how sad this test file being especially designed, if i'm gone us.