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where she currently lives here in berlin to commemorate the anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall, she learned that us authorities had again foiled on the attempt, ordered by the ring and regime to assassinate her together with her, we discussed the dangers of being an outspoken critic of the rain and regime and what she thinks western country should do to support women in iran. the let's say we can adjust. thank you very much for joining us, that dw, today. now you were here in berlin when you heard from us all stories that they had carried out. arrests of people involved in another plot to assassinate you. it's not the 1st one involving also the regime and the ron, how does that make you feel? to be honest, 1st, i was shocked, but now i'm angry because this is been like, uh, the fact attempts in my life 1st was a tip not being thoughts, the f b,

i charged for people. then the f. b. i, a rest of the man from us are by john, a criminal with a k 47 in front of my house in brooklyn, waiting for me to kill me and i sold. okay. finally i'm going to be saved. but it shows the, the, the ward safe is to luxury for those of us who dare to challenges. i'm a good property. so then i heard from the f b i as soon as they arrived in berlin, that they arrested 2 other men. and it was quite a scary as well because i read the indictment that the 2 men who were assigned to kill me. they were actually taking pictures of the university therapy and university, which i was supposed to go there and give a talk about my campaign against compulsive bathing and the 2 killers spend many times in front of my house, which i'm not even there. i've been moved to 21, the safe houses, but it seems that they're really determined to,

to kill me. so i'm happy, i'm alive. does that make you in any way? don't think again about what you're doing about your, your activism, about your, your fight against the regime or does it give you more strength? how does that make you feel? so 1st of all, i have to say the person who was assigned to hire the killers in new york. that was the same person, 5 whole chalk, a who was assigned to kill president truck. and so that actually shows you something that these nomic republic demoralized with weapons guns and bullets. they sketch women like me, the same level of they scared the president of united state of america. so that gives me hope that actually makes me more determined to fight them back. and my heroes are women in the front line any wrong losing their eyes, but not losing their whole. the mothers of those who got killed, but now they become the voice of their daughters their songs and saying that we're not going to get bob who would bring the ward of dictatorship done on,

you know what it is. very emotional for me. i came here to celebrate the, the phone of the building bold. the university is here, saw i was here by the invitation of the city after the spring or was trying to talk about the fall of the burning wall. and i was like, wow, this is the moment actually showing your that there are many, was what was of oppression everywhere in my country. wrong. i've gone is gone everywhere. and we have to fight them back because the women inside the countries, they're facing the same killers every day. so i'm being protected, but they don't have any protection, but they're still fighting. so i would be louder to fight against them. do you feel that people like you who had left the wrong or being protected enough from the by the countries where they're now living? to be honest in america. yes. the line force month uh the f b i, i'm very pleased that they protected me,

but i have to say that john sheets for math was kidnapped. the way doesn't mean you only have is you actually were planning to tip not me, approval laws. i'm a french citizen, was kidnapped as was so general citizen, french citizen, it just breaks my have my heart. that's why it they should. they should have been alive like me now, but they lost their race and the job she was execute that will allow the father of 2 children was executed as well. so i think it's not about me that many disciplines and journalists inactive is living in durham, and even united state of america, living everywhere they need the same level of protection as well. so for me, i have to say that i have no feel for my life, but i believe trans national repression is likely to have a tool in the hands of dictators like rock shaw china is that make it public to target the freedom of speech. the western values,

the national security of the western countries, and that should be protected. i'm pleased to be protected, but i want the western countries to protect democracy. now speaking of john choose from on a dual. iranian german national was recently executed in iran. and we've heard from his daughter, members of his family, but also from other activists that there is a feeling that germany didn't do enough to try to save his life and had him out. what do you think should have been done? what could have germany done to actually secure his, his life? germany didn't show any sign to the stomach republic one john sheets sharma was on death row because that was the moment that they should have actually put pressure on his left. make that public down grade their diplomatic relations with the hostage takers and get him out from prison. now, i see finally, finally, germany taking safe on the steps on and they shut down 3 counseling. but it's too

late, too late, because they could have done that before the us government, those law allowed to criticize the us government, those. why? because he was in the death row as a german german american citizen. so the us government handouts $6000000000.00, but they didn't bring the only american citizen who was on the death row. i mean, my heart is broke can because i could have been john sharma when they kidnapped him . my picture was everywhere saying next is nice. the advantage so it can more innocent people like timesheets young. but do you really think that actually not speaking to the regime at all, would have actually brought out someone like jump sharma, how it would have been possible. we've heard his daughter, for example, a calling for a prisoner exchange on the style that happened recently with a political prisoners and journalist and put into russia on the one hand is that

also not a risk of basically incentivizing iran and taking more people as hostages. basically arresting them and then asking for something in their turn from the west . that's a very good question. my brother was a hostage in the hands of this verbally courage, and my heart was broken because i was asked to compromise, to keep quiet in order to see my brother free. it was difficult for me. i didn't do that. instead i became louder and giving them like, you know, speeches and going everywhere and talking against them. that's how i got my brother free from prison. so i'm just an ordinary women. i'm not in power, but the powerful leaders, the us government, the u. k. government, german, government, french government, government, across the globe. they have the national citizens in prison. imagine a day, all these leaders get united and send the sick onto the stomach or property

downgrading the diplomatic relations with this stomach or public saying that you'll have to 3 old the doing national since then. you have to free all the innocent political prisoners. that's how you take the hostage out from prison with handling out money. basically, you're telling that you're on your resume. okay. go after more, you know, us citizens, more german citizens because this is how you can make money. and you can go after more, you know, hostages a, this is a hostage taking diplomacy. and i have a simple question. if your neighbors raping their daughters, their sisters, the boys and cares their children, what would you do to give them money? you go and negotiate with them. know you called the police. this is the regime ray, frank, teenagers raping women, raping innocent prisoners. don't negotiate with them. make them accountable. that's how the whole war got united. when the apartheid in south africa was

empower. isolated. that's how the unity health, the ward of the burning to fall. so what is the difference between general par technology and the gender like the they all talk to do inside off the call or the burning war was a symbol of tyranny. oppression. so this damage of property is the same. so we have to understand that negotiation is not going to get off every, like 2 decades. germany is spend the resources of german people, the tax payers, to negotiate with the government. what have you achieved? nothing. now the time has come, close the war, the doors of diplomacy toward dictators and opened the doors toward people. we know that the german governments now wants to push for more sanctions against iran. in particular. they want to try to the you to classify the revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization and apply terrors sanctions. do you think that could have an impact on the regime also given the big economic influence of the revolutionary

guard in the country? absolutely, because the revolution in regards, i'm not there to support me to support co star to support no heat. she appreciate to support. and i guess mom or the i get goosebumps because these are not just a spot to 6. they are in prison because the revolution guards putting them in pressure and bullying them, shooting against innocent people. the concern garza is the same group that's sending money to him, aust roofing in yeah, i'm on to his will not sending drones to 14 to kill innocent ukrainians. how come the democratic countries putting the back no group off or off showing the terriers list, but when it comes to the biggest ally of back in a group routine, they southern, they say that this truth negotiated with them. we want the leaders of democratic countries to be as united, as dictators as 14 on comedy, china and his or the old. the dictators are back in utah and they're supporting to

show their voting for each other, providing technologies for various weapons, money, military, everything. now, um, last year you were, you were in berlin and you cancelled a meeting with an official of the foreign ministry here in berlin. because you said you were requested to keep quiet about the meeting and about what was discussing this meeting. the for ministry said that they normally do this to basically provide a safe space for people to discuss things freely. what is uh, have you had any contact with the german government since then? have you spoken to anyone that before a ministry of course, because i never gave off. i'm a woman from iran, i carry the wounds and scars of an oppressive regime, always pushing us back saying no to us for never give up. so i again reached out to the foreign minister for another meeting. so from her office they promised me that in next visit. so i still want to meet with the foreign minister and german

government. i had the pleasure to meet with the president and the mayor here, very pleased because his name is the city of freedom. city of hope for many of disciplines like um, like me and this, it sounds like like the they never have the opportunity to express themselves. so i'm assuming hopefully the one day we can sit down and find the solutions to stick together. i. i strongly believe that people like me and people like and i guess we'll have maybe the another price when his in prison like this, the things we are better allies for german people are compared to these blackboard mold us. the foreign minister of germany had a meeting with the farm in itself is done make it public. so they take some of the fees and politicians and domestic pictures with toilet one. then how come you want to take pictures with them but not with us? because if you want to us to give us a safe space safe,

a space for us is to show your so the data to, to show your sister who and probably stand shoulder to shoulder with the women of your own. and i've got a son who say no to dictatorship was really nice job. thank you very much. thank you so much. appreciate your platform. the. this is the w news, africa coming up on the program. africa's manual wealth can help save the world from climate change. but who will save africans from the riches under their homes, their farms and their feet. that period has vast reserves of key elements like lithium, that will power the global energy transition. but it's also marked by massive unregulated extraction of those resources leading to child labor and loss revenue. also, as we meet in more canyon orders who uses distorted materials to create spectacular

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