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may help you out a welcome to the program. jeremy's transfer to all of scholes and the russian president vladimir putin have spoken for the 1st time in nearly 2 years. this picture of the coal was posted to the trunk, little social media account on x. the german government saved schultz told fulton to end the war and ukraine and the toll russian troops. he also urged russia to negotiate what had called a, just and lasting peace. the government on the line to germany, support for keys shows also spoke to the ukrainian president laudermill zalinski before has called to christine betsy knows managing director of the german marshall funds. nope. we all told y schultz was speaking to put in now to the end of this year. and really the last few weeks have changed of political realities. folks in germany and in the united states. and there is

a process of coming to ahead of the question of what happens next. and ukraine president trump, now re elected in the united states has promised to bring a swift end of the war. and this will of course me to greater burden eventually for europe because trump's desire to pay significantly for the crating and security or recreating reconstruction is very limited. but european role must be bigger and social. it's now also spacing very challenging political wins in germany. we'll have to have a say, uh, and have to have a better understanding about what happens next in european security and sense rumors then a possible phone call between them. schultz. now, given these changing political realities have actually come to fruition and we have seen the 1st induct conversation, the 1st publicly announced conversation between couldn't and western liter, which means we were entering a new phase of conversation about the future of european security. and we'll just

put and get out of his phone call out of this phone call. he's not likely to stop the war because all of shaw said he should is not at all. excellent. i think that the question here is a clue who benefits as of right now is receiving for more attention. we have seen the fact that who is every more normal on the international state, and she cannot receive phone calls specials and hear out the others and make sure his perspective is see at the same time, he also recently had a brick summit in russia in which he fitted so many world leaders who is the head of fitting more. the question is, even if the truck would like to have a conversation at a piece table between russia and ukraine, is rush are ready to have that piece conversation on terms of any kind. and i'm not sure that the international community or other leaders yet see that russia is willing to stop that. russia is willing to take a break, or that russia has any interest and peace at all. who has an interest in making

sure that schultz and new western liter understands his perspective and versus ongoing goals and ukraine. what does that mean? that phone conversation take something one step closer to a piece that goes usually. i think that would be a mistake to assume, at this point. interesting. now ukraine's president of a lot of meals zalinski has sharply criticized the call, accusing shoals of playing into fulton's hands. this is what he said. gone for the 4th cause of him and the chancellor shows he told me that he was going to call putting lots call in my opinion, opens a pandora's box. now there may be other conversations to be other costs more just a lot of words and keys, and that is exactly what problem has long wanted. is extremely important for him to weaken his isolate as soon as russia and conduct any talks as ordinary discussions, which won't have any results. me. yes, that's the way he's done it for decades. you keep me building to meet you the docket. vin visit, the leak and world they, i think has come sounds

a legitimate i think the fact that you don't see people dying every day and the new crane being that's once these concerns are legitimate. the worst case of what could happen right now is the beginning of these conversations providing cover for russia to keep going incredibly aggressively in ukraine. and the notion of peace being possible weren't understanding or hope they're up in the west with limit further assistance or military assistance to ukraine. do these conversations give at the, for a cooperation? well, militarily and in terms of human cost to you pray and suffers. that is a fear that the lensky could well have, and i think is a very valid one. is conversations continue as they are expected between western leaders and coo. and does that also come with results with military assistance, but financial assistance that not only provides an access point for but provide

significant assistance for ukraine to be protected and to obtain his own. hanes, if the west has an impact on your crane side and cease to bring them to this and the best situation for ukraine, it can't just be conversations with pollutants, they really must be substantive aid will. last month. schultz expressed skepticism over early nato membership for ukraine. can there be a pc or when nato membership for ukraine is ruled out? this is very difficult right now to say that it wouldn't be at all be fair to the crane to take this off the table. on the one hand, it is hard to anticipate how in berlin, or in washington or many capitals, or on nato states, there could be a slip this session for ukraine into data. but the nino question and the question about whether ukrainians can in fact choose their destiny and choose to say we wish to be on the nato side. we wish to be part of euro, atlantic security and economic institutions. is this not something that they have been fighting for for the past over 2 years, and really over

a decade when you look back to crimea and making sure that there was a prospect for that. it's not the end of this year. if not in the next year or 2, but that this is something that and ukrainians will see in the next few years. and the next decade as they stabilize as a canonical you recover as they rebuild their country. if that is not an option, i think there are many questions about what the flight would have been worse. and so the stakes for ukraine to still have a future in nato or incredibly high, but versus push back on. this issue will be tremendously great, because specifically the question to be crated. nato was part of pollutants objections, even before the full scale invasion. so again, is it worth it for ukraine? does ukraine have a future nato? this will be core and it's not something that will be easily resolved and the stakes really the emotional psychological sticks of what is the value of having thoughts are going to be tied to this question. mm hm. that's christine betsy. the

managing director of the german marshall fund. nope, any time. thank you. let's take a look now at some of the stories making headlines today. several people were injured when protest of stone, the parliament in a break away region of georgia of kazi allies in the northwest corner of georgia, and as of stacked by russia. unrest broke out over the proposal to allow russians to buy property that the mitchell has since left. the austrian government saves it will not be blackmailed as russia from the cutoff gas delivery to move by the state for the state produce a gas from follows. the loss of a contract dispute with all 3 of o m w energy group. austria relies on bush and gas and boats. us president joe biden has held his last meeting with the leaders of japan and south korea before donald trump returns to office next to speaking at the summit in

february biden's that the world is facing a moment of significant political change officials and focused on some job problems subject lead a health emergency over talk. 6 small schools and colleges must close with the lockdown, imposed on 2 of the regions biggest cities, pollution and focused on another. india has the equity fault of dangerous levels increasing for the us base agency, and also is what it an ad leak at the international space station could lead to a catastrophic failure. spacing is dot com says no final russian equal the length of, of the golf most disagree over the cause of the losing the russian fault of the space station. i know how serious the problem is. russian scientists believe the facility can still be operate to face was 10 days from now on april 28th. we'll see these 2 columns keep calling us via the total of no. so i'll watch dot com. hey john, he joins me now from washington dc. welcome,

keep m l a b. i assess the sounds dangerous, but this isn't the 1st time we're hearing about it. is it? you know, and i actually back in the j help design the space station in leaks or something you always expect, but usually small you can normally repair them and you bring more air off and recycle it anyways. but this is an issue with an older space. there's some great, it's some of the modules a 30 years old on so it's what you can expect from an old car and you know, it becomes a problem. the longer it goes on fixed. so tell us how much is leaking out and how quickly does that need to be replaced? well, it's couple times a day what, what's happening here. if i can take things to my desk here, you have the russian service module, which is one of the very 1st things that was launched and it has an area where other spacecraft doctor and the rest of the space stations here. and when the space

pre spacecraft, doc, they have to go through this total, that's where the leak is. and they're not exactly sure the russians think it's, you know, something you can deal with. the americans are thinking, you know, it's a bit of a problem and it's kind of like taking this paper clip and just spending getting joel breaks. that's what they're worried about is that the connection between these models might break, added an opportune time. and the air will rush out, so that's not a good thing to have happen. but they're not exactly the agreement as to how to fix . well, the alley is in the russian section of the space station. so dozen golf coast ml's no best. in this case. you would think and i'm not going to, you know, be it's, it is rocket science. but sometimes you look at things that are never been seen before. like a 30 year old spacecraft and there's different opinions and they, you can deal with it. but the thing is, it's one thing to deal with the league, like if you have a leak and a roof in your house, you can say, well,

i'm not going to go in that role. but if the roof is about to collapse, that's another issue. they haven't really decided on it yet, but it is a russian module, but is it attached to an international space station in the air and that space station belongs to everyone. and why is it so difficult or purposely? well, they've done some things, but again, it's, you know, reach us. i've had friends who lived up there. they said that if you look down, there is a long cling of cylinders, it actually moves a little bit every time it says the solar panels room. so it's always in motion, and so you've got to deal with something sort like open heart surgery. you don't want to kill the patient has to be a lie while you're fixing it. but it's some cases, it's a hardware maybe too well, but it's in a very important location. so they're a little bit perplexed as to exactly how to deal with it. so come back next week, they'll be another discussion. well, let's say for some reason discounts me to pay it. what would the alternative be to

abandon ship? well no, because you can always separate the module. there are some ways that you can deal with it. you could just, there's a, there's a hatch inside that you could just see this is what they do. now, when they're not using that total, they just close it off. you can just close it off and never open it again and not use that docking port that we're trying to solve the problem. but it's one thing to solve the problem. it's the other to understand why it's happening. that's what people scratching their heads about. so i don't think they're getting a band in the space station, but they do have to deal with that's fascinating stuff from cape cohen, editor of nelson watch, dot com. thank you so much. my pleasure. and before we go, sky gables have been enjoying the was a family that we won't be getting for a while. it's called a silver moon. when a full moon comes especially close to us making all satellite look bigger and brighter in the night sky, it usually happens 3 or 4 times

a year. but there won't be another one for nearly a year. right now there is a downside to the super me. it's so bright. the sky gave us, we'll have trouble seeing the meet your shower. that's coming to be going on and reaches its peak on sunday. before you go, here's a reminder of our top story. the german chancellor charles and russian president vladimir putin have spoken on the phone for the 1st time in nearly 2 years to discuss the water ukraine with show simone things up scrutiny patrol. prussian full of finale are up to date coming up after the break. we look at where the free public transport can help the cups pollution caused by cars for some kind of a for more news. and then as soon as you can always get onto the data called a website or on social media channels fx instagram and facebook, the 100 is f b w. thank you so much for what taking the time,

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