tricity cuts in keys and other regions and we will end if they are coming up to quote a sport or a way to conserve spc docs on takes a look at trophy hunting. unlike looking for me and the rest of the crew here. thanks for watching the i want to tell you something. it's a bear with me. my house i to raising awareness of h o d and on and we're still in test shane assignments and we need to break out of it. i want to tell you something how to tennessee chris starts november 29th on dw. beyond the result,

vs to many hunters are wrong. they kill animals. i shot you down, bang, bang. you hit the ground, bang, bang baton to see it very differently. then the problem i that part of the solution, it's in limits. so a souvenir. this is not to is conservation signing for itself. of a save us if the animal world wow the hunting expedition in to attend your it's not just $70000.00 visitors more than $500.00 exhibitors. that is how can i help you the carlo hang on. blast markets,

his hunting trips. yeah. that's who the look on the boat is will be available there teaser offers like in the supermarket, dispute visitors are supposed to get an idea of what these trips costs. so i know the costs viewed it. the other thing vacation that's called the annual question. private farm in south africa, costs between 5 and 70000 viewers. the gym and guests with that issue. and today. and we have the permission to tag along we covered the arrow and costs to remain independent. finding that pray only required a few minutes of stalking. the

most high of night shot the met with thank shouldn't be found beautiful for me. so even yeah, perfect shot. good. i know a good memory as the last name as it does to you up on the him as we wash the animal. so the photo looks respect developments of either no blood or sweat as a respectful display of the animal. the dog is spelled with this dispute. for most guests, the photo and the trophy vital to a successful hunt law zebra should be 5. yeah. okay. so basically these all these other ones we mount it because i will email you with the details of

less drive to the site. yeah, trophy hunting is an industry in south africa. busy with your trophies on this side . we've already paid it ended this lady. now it's done, we're making natural habits at withdraw sticking out, you know, ultimately gonna use some sandals, some of them send and bring that in. and natural growth. artificial grass isn't the alternate of the comments and why we south africans grew up with hunting animals trophies to meet the game and so on. so it's just what we know speaking, and of course for someone coming here from say, germany or austria would have it can be her effect, a shot, and we can fix on the

condo and replaced connex trophies and is familiar with the debate. the. the point is the call, at least the killing of the game is legal is sorry, i post pictures and so it all the same. it showed the world that i'm not a shame twins and that it's all legal as you go up to the office. but the photos like these attract criticism many find it respect lists and crow papers only. there's also a few but, and people who get upset of the pictures are divorced from reality. on the vehicle . biologist daniella for i am works for pro wildlife an organization. she co founded 25 years ago to better protect wild life. gillian, where again, trophy killing. let's isn't incompatible with

a modern understanding of animals and species conservation inbox. yeah, they're especially critical of hunting safaris. i'm see accompanying price lists. mm hm. you have some of the headlines too that were relatively cheap. yeah. under 10000 euros females. even for $5000.00 firms. 1000 can i'm out of those have just, i'm just, you know, the entities are also crazy. cheap too. yeah. some were fairly cheap. and here for 1900 euros, also on sale, a small crocodile for 4000 euros, a plane separate for 750 yours and ask the price for i have a bottom us that i send the i just find the tomorrow to put a price tag going to, i'm going to say that's how much this animals life is, wes. yes, sophia is living. there's 2 of us that div those 2 things, national trade and elephant tasks. and lion pellets is illegal,

then not allowed to leave the country. but there is an exception for trophy hunting, which undermine species, protects and regulation. i think it's best to move in on time and yet, importing hunting trophies is sometimes legal. but pro wildlife wants a complete ban. deutschland is in the hope that you would determine the is the use largest consumer of hunting trophies and 2nd, early to americans worldwide is germany fund import discord. trophy hunters would lose the incentive to kill these animals because ultimately it's all about status on hanging. your trophies on the warranty to seen. so hold on, you know, so not in the it may be a is one of the most popular destinations for gym and hunting, taurus,

and maybe in steven jacobs has been offering, hunting safaris since 2010 for elephants. the best bull elephant was shops the previous day by an american now workers will process the count came around to see could you stop the and started feeding on that motion in that line gave me the perfect blank shot. one foot down finished everything us over. you know, if i would one day die, i would like to go in that man as well. it's a switch that you switch off when it's finished. there's no suffering. no, i know nothing. the elephant was very old. okay. oh and okay, going, so let's get going. the elephants advanced age matters, says the hunter,

as did the big task on elephant tons can cost as much as $100000.00 your rose. these pictures on disturbing to many, but show the realities of the industry. a 100 that under the elephant would like to have a side panel of the skin. i think he wants to make a rifle bag of soft rifle back out of the skin. wildlife conservation is underfunded and trophies can offset the shortfalls that stephen jacob's documents. at least you can order on this conservancy without profi animals on this conservancy. it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the isn't the good to be able to sacrifice one of those bowls in order to make all of the others live in this area. because that one level can do the protein that

we give to the villages for that area. that one boat can do. cash payments for the area, and it actually gives value to the elephants. that one. the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the know numbers of elephants. the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory population stabilized at low levels in the 19 ninety's and says, all to use it. elephants are especially abundant in areas where hunting revenues fund conservation meshes. and stephen jacobs says that animals can be hunted asset k. i think i think a lot thing is to me is make sure that the good the, the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and, and most you main way that these don't take shots too far away. don't food if

you're not 100 percent. sure that you're actually going to kill that animal. if it's fencing a small little fence and it's 100, it's gone. so you really called a pro fee on that you that all they didn't because collecting because that's basically what it is that the animal is good neutrons to get to what? so what is, what is truly fee or if it go beyond that, but we would need to learn of other practices that are controversial, even among hunters. germany's most important lobbyist, trophy hunting lives in bavaria chef on one village works for the international council for game and wildlife conservation or c. all i see it's been us on the phone when i 1st started looking into the trophy hunting issue. i was pretty naive and probably with an added to that many have a little dismissive because everyone knows these pictures and everyone knows these

videos for you that can disability their kids. and they also had a certain effect on me all by me, you know, to listen to this and the fact stuff. and one of them the she is a trained forester on tons himself, sometimes with his ego. he campaigns against an import band on trophies and is creating alliances around the world. not enough and not always the issue about something. it's really about sustainability in general. okay. quite interesting stuff. and a switch on you, michael. all right. by what it does on a full audit in new york is on, if that's true for him, the debate is hypocritical in the system unless what's different from hunting in germany? so yes, good. the deer gets eaten in the end too is just like the antelope and then maybe in the media because of the total fear is the trophy is i don't want to degrade it, but it's actually a waste product was, is just not fun. well, the, the

sounds simple, but what does that really mean? we now have a few days of hunting ahead of us. it's the 1st time in, i don't know how long 3 or 4 years that i finally have something like a holiday with all ready. boeing that 80 stefan ventilation wanted to shoot a video to base to the guide meet is about an hour to find the right one. the note if he gives you another shot cry and thinking again,

if he gives you another shot, the shot, it's got me something went wrong. the beast was just in jet and fled. we will see if we can maybe catch up with him with a bit of down. um, we will definitely have to get another shopping in um, because if he takes over running again, this can take on 4 days, but we will throw bessie, see what we can do a nightmare for hunters. the animals stuff us and its on

clare. if truck goes can as a find it, the quick break, 3 hours later, the rates, that's what is the specialist and well, i'm good. also fault of course, you want your 1st shot to be a clean chill. so, but people make mistakes. what means? and in this case, you feel i'm the one who made the mistake. and i'll see you though, i still can't work out what actually happened room and really supposed to get this a lot. maybe we'll get lucky and get close enough again on the, on the

and then 5 hours off to the faulty shop. the truck has found the animal again. he loved it. is down. yeah, it was for the kids who is no thoughts? yeah. yeah, definitely. must have had to head down. yeah. but this is a perfect shot, but i the perfect joke. well, dawn, you guys specially, i mean, we are a theme or incredible. we are a team, the physical

physical titles. keyless the head is just a part of the animal for your last sure. you could just leave it here in the but they're going to treat it. and i can take it home with me as a souvenir from the hunting, and the value varies a lot, depending on how each hunter sees an inverse on it. further fulfilling the, the teen takes the animal's body to an indigenous, solemn vintage the oh hello. how are you? what do you get? what uh assume uh, hunters and gather is, but they're not allowed to hunt with bronx tools and the nature preserves in return. they get the meat from the trophy hunters as well as some financial support. they kind of find the,

the small but vital difference is that this way a lot more money ends up in the community. then when one of the locals goes out hunting a bonus on time comes on the forecasts always. so these are on them with great for the new was killed and we now distribution the meeting to the site and i don't see anything wrong with it. and judging by their faces, so there's either today or the owners but there are also doubts as to whether this system really works. south african generalist adam cruz questions, the benefits of trophy hunting. one of his investigations spoke to world wide control to see when i published the se, so the on story. i had no idea that this was a story that was going to go global because this was not

a one of story. this has happened many, many times before and many, many times off the woods. and that story was picked up by the international priest . and then it went totally global. there's renewed uproar tonight over that hunter who killed. so the lion in the home. well, it's talking about the us tend to is to kill the line and involved language. is it that difficult for you to get any reaction that you need to kill? i wasn't happy with that. really. my issue with the story was to highlight the problems with the trophy hadn't seen industry, not the individual trophy, the hunting industry is problematic. sadam cruise, even if it divides by all the rules, the pro trophy hunting people and governments state that trophy hunting is necessary in order to provide financial benefits for the local communities with the conservative. i'm going to prove that that is not the case.

and it may be, as nature preserves, are among the poorest regions in the country. money from all kinds of tourism is supposed to help low cost lives a better life cruise took a closer look. got to talk to this guy. hello. hello. do they give you money out next? nothing. no, no, no, no, jobs job. no. and you can service and do they fix the broken? well, no, no, no, i know about that. but that keeping the water for themselves, have the money for the that the conservancy gets where do you think that goes from that money? we do not even benefit anything. so we're still subheading. what do we get? nothing. even visa, we did not gave a team these things during our travels without them cruise. we only met

a few people who benefit from the income like in this century, the people the benefiting directly of our said plus minus. let me put that out for the $1892.00 confirms that say each and every one of you know how the whole class. 6 sort of model does turkey hunting improve your lives? gives you money. a way to be honest. no. i cannot say wait a minute. cruise looked into the industry in 2021 on behalf of hunting opponents. oh you. he investigated $29.00 of $86.00 protected areas and found that hardly any income from trophy hunting was reaching the locals. the big question is, where does the money go? if it's not going to that community members of the 170 years holding the money cruise match with the cham, another conservancy to confront him with the criticism. that is the way you

see these. i'm quite sure because of the academic level they want to st benefit the when you let them few up and dish out cash benefits out brought and how and the benefits will not be understood by the next visit. we didn't get the feeling that much money was getting to the low cost hunting advocates criticized crews for working full hunting opponents cruise assess, he's independent and only uses officials that goes for his analyses. the thing that strikes me is the constant declining wildlife. so this whole notion that conservancy is preserved wildlife, and because they preserve wildlife, they, they for benefit the communities living the is,

is incorrect with wildlife populations on declining trophy hunting. must not take that in response to our inquiry and it may be in government rejected cruz's criticism in most protected areas that claims the number of animals is increasing and where it's declining, it's due to drought. so human animal complex. same bob way are we met with one of the most active proponents of hunting tourism pembert entrepreneur when the pups runs in luxury hunting results here and is annoyed by the stereotypes of trophy hungry tourists. so it has come as a name of them. uh, let's look at say, white men who come here like this out $581150000.00 for safari, a tool which then goes into nature conservation come in and helps the pool workers who are villages within this redistribution is also somehow wrong and go,

do you want such a tough documents argument the really perhaps to rally, hence himself anymore. today he wants to shoot an envelope. meet suggests on the employees. he owns an area in some bob way, slightly smaller than him the 30 years ago, which was a capital farm. now, happy tax from many endangered species. the or the status, the finance there's nature conservation through his wealth and hunting income to draw. so

i need to be on the lookout because this is a walk run a modem on like in other parts of africa. the number of runny nose has been increasing in the south. a volley, the clear arguments for the past in phase of regulated trophy hunting space. in case of 2 pages on the field when they're on track for having around 400 runny nose here in the next 5 years. because at some point it'll be possible to make a rhino available to some european or americans to shoot. and if that means the one animal pays for all of the conservation in the car, and i think it's great shots pull to talk unfinished as a full comment on the

private drawing and protection. forcible so which to sort, searching here the forces, recruiting new ranges. there's lots of good men in these communities is thousands. we surrounded by thousands of people. so why, why go far, far off to funding, why not fund goodman from here and support your community? that's the key. let me say is made to marry, maintains the rhino database and everything that we haven't because of as he has an effort to all them. so we create a photo albums and we put all the for the identification if that we get made so that we can, we can see if you do have to create a new house. so what you want to do with this data is we went to analyze, make you

a population, is progressing. the past and other hunting organizations find on it's about a quote of the protection for special case. we've got a lot of independent dinah funding from, from diners outside on their, on twos, each property. that's way their own china is, are bringing in the funding through hunting inside of graphics and that kind of thing. um, through they, they, they business model. but it's still not enough. the number of elephants in the south, a valley has also increased thanks to price clemons on his team who come back to poaching. in general. the number of elephants in southern africa has increased slightly. and because humans have pushed them on to small preserves populations aren't even sometimes overcrowded. they rage nearby villages and destroy crops, sometimes even happy tasks. the mighty bellow about trees are important.

ecosystems forms this got about trees just imploded in front of the road. we have to have under the trees salsa from the climate crisis. but also because elephants eat the moist bob quinn voters, guess this is some progress design pounds tragic to see a tree centuries old being destroyed simply because we have too many animals to feel it. that's the challenge that system not. could we shoot 3 elephant to design go there for you? let me complete nonsense. all the files is probably going to enjoy conservationist . daniella fry a is just as passionate as v paps. but the goal is to achieve an e. u. white ban on the import of hunting trophies in brussels day. the torques here was parliamentarians and also with the e. u commission are important and guessing these plans implemented. and that the e u as a whole ultimately found the impulse of trophies the

hi lo daniella from la under green parliamentarian. of course we're really pleased to see the majority has widened in the new parliament and for the people it's clear. so if you show that the majority of european citizens are against trophy hunting till fee and yaks toppling. and it's also about to set in prestige related to hunting. which in my opinion is totally outdated. the you would definitely be ready to take the next step to make some in the parliaments cool to bomb the impulse of trophies is a success for daniella freya and us sent back for stefan ventilation. like most countries in southern africa, maybe a,

a poses and import fund failing it could lead to fuel guests and less revenue which is live on delish has allies in the ministry of environment and tourism. so 1st of all so far, so good as well. yeah. romeo ma'am, where you and is the ministry spokes person? steph, on one dimension, updates him on the current developments in europe. i'm going to send you 2 links this afternoon or you can do, you can read a public statement of the european volume and it was a sentence saying that the be the care for an effective band of a trophy hunting and why life traits so and now that's okay, thing as is what it was not possible to implement only for jeremy in germany and of

a advocating for it and brussels on a european level. all right, that evening staff and one of the nation ment with mac cpr lewis to organizations supports and may be in consistencies which are partially financed by hunting habits situation. freelance, italy, and now it's back in germany. we don't understand why that's why jim in decision make us will make decisions on our behalf. we have really puzzled by that to be honest. so here it's a simple question of equality and respect. if there's a problem, let's fix it to give a, let's fix it together. you cannot just bend things and you don't give us out of tentative. if conservation cannot put it on people stable, then we might also as well forget about conservation

an unusual encounter in south africa. hunting critic, adam cruz was about to meet hunting, organize the carlo n. okay. so i'm interested in seeing how he is contributing to conservation. uh with pro fee hunting yeah, we'll call a single break and so far it's the 1st time the to have spoken. it's been not an argument saying that you're taking off the trophy, you taking out the base jeans off. that's b c. so a lot of cases it will be the case happening. you've got a client and he pays top dollars and you do, you allow him to shoot the biggest and strongest animal that you have a fact. so i want to have a few to with, with a guy before. and if you go to any farm and let's go back to the exit code. so he

was slow to use baseball. really pushed breeds really knows on his from the, the, to african rhinos bases have been all, most eradicated in the last century. main need you to that prize torn's from the population of around 1000000 only 222-5000 germane and poaching continues to threaten their existence where you just link angle based on money from rhino hunting and they protect that animals. this landscape kid was a foaming then skype created, heaven cut these mobile life. these are the game also living here, this farm. it has also a conservation venue to a certain extent. my grid is yeah. is that we gained up in this, the stove being weird way you have animals that have venue,

like rhino is native friends and lines in these kind of conditions and all the wilds, habitat disappears. true conservation value is where you have an area that is pure biodiversity, where a rhino doesn't just exist in itself as a rhino, but it's part of a much broader ecosystem that functions actually put this in your clash believes, but animals can only be safe, just they have a market value, it's all the countries them, the input of trophies. he has a plan b because he's also as far as the funding developed. and if the world abolishes the market value of wild animal funds and you can no longer make money from them, then they have to go funds to be important. then we plan treat amount of culture. and then you'll only have eucalyptus trees. instead of 30 different wild species on

one patch of land at a football, it's one of the most contentious questions. how much does the trophy hunting contribute to habitat comes to the nation? the sun is setting on tri fi, hunting. it's an industry in decline. it's an industry that one day is going to disappear. so by creating those bands, it's going to stop in forcing us to think of other alternatives that are more progressive and will probably have a great benefit on the impact of by diversity on this continent. what's happening here is the opposite. it's even controversial among hunter's breeding lions to be hunted later. let's show you some of the licensing. yeah. any you would like read his work to create particularly attractive lions out of money? no question. also,

office can cancel that my little bit. i'd be good with probably the one that i have an opportunity to be to have maybe showed a potential would be nice eventually a good big black me. the result is customized animals painted exclusively to the desires both the hunters. the condos does on google, the customer sees what's on offer is a full price for a full name, speed process, a medium line, or a weaker line for less. it all depends on the price of it was even locked in price here, ministry style videos are used to promote the content. at least $1000.00 tech does are reserved for the deadly safaris that's conservation. as farmers in south africa doing that and for life we predict that city lines the

lions all day and the well because people tend to either come and not yeah for way cheaper than going down to a line into well south african breeding centers. now account for almost a so just african lyons let's hear the companies to spend most of the slowing to you. of course, i understand that people are troubled by the concept. but why doesn't anyone complain about the cattle that are slaughtered lube this lion? this animal is also bred and has been hunted when one of the cattle are slaughtered . does it in victory so often? but does this argument really make sense? krista ok. mays breeds more than just lions, fun thing. he stores meat from the other animals and sells it, but not flying. neat. so meat of the alliance, we've just got them for the way. you cannot do anything. well it goes. if you start

facing the lion, meet back to the lions to get the dice for alliance and then actually when they start fighting each other and that. and then i stop by stop dating each other. the hunting of captive bred lions is not to the rule about controversial exception. stale about 10000 and such animals exist in south africa. panama november 2020 to the states if the washington convention on international trade in endangered species meant to negotiate the future of endangered species. lo be groups were also the because the agenda included the international train, huge of hunting trophies of them crew spoke of related on the hunting events on his research and that maybe he also met his adversaries. the hunters, the

wow. yeah. the couple of weeks ago i was in the media, i spoke to a group of 1000 with women and children conservancy. they say provides nothing. and yet we keep hearing the story about these consistencies being successful, that they were making millions of dollars from activities like trophy hunting. this is the great conservation lie ends in hunting advocates, many pub. thank you very much. my name is willie boxed, i'm a member of the c i. c. i am a conservationist, out of simple outfit and a lot of our indigenous people are the venue. welcome to questions like no speeches . i have to give you a little narrative,

otherwise i called us the christian festival. often more than the minute of speaking without a question, perhaps this interrupted happens. if we do that, okay, if you don't want to, that's fine, i feel crazy. that's not what i would call democratic, but be that as it may okay. to ship is what i call. that's not the kind of feel. okay. no it's, it's actually very funny. why is it room full of let me be in? see it and somebody else. and speaking our case, what stops me from guidance in the media is and speak to your people. because from what i hear from them, you are not listening to the gosh of interest. practically irreconcilable and more open dialogue might

help to tackle the complex issues surrounding the topic. and also everyone feels hood being headed at so many problems. and we continue noticing those problems we, i'm a bunch abused we've, what is the and that's what we have done. the last is never had an interest to bring. i forgot to be any level the i just concerned about what they are concerned about. in the end, the trophy trade was nice and notably restricted, no relaxed at the conference escaped misty. i know it is. it's all about him. i was there's no one solution. the what we're looking for is just as recognition of the sustainable use of wild animals as an alternative model to and even all i am will that the debate is as an impass bryce clements from this in bond for a reino conservation force. is one of the few people working with both sides.

he's been fighting for endangered species since his childhood. shooting something to hang on. the wall automatically was that a lot of people that would want to see it stopped immediately. they need to help us find sources of funding wise and mean we need good people to come together with an open mind and find solutions to, to all of us. otherwise, you know, it hangs in the balance by good. you got the trophy hunting is controversial, but not every thing is as clear caught as it seems that systems what is clear is that to protecting habitats costs the loss of money. and that's money has to

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