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fiber and go off is good to have you with this ukraine has dismissed the warnings of a major russian missile strike blaming a psychological operation. but it says is being carried out by moscow with the ukrainian capital on a large and several western nations, including the united states, close to their embassies and keep in response to the threat. a day earlier ukraine used to us made missiles known as attack them. for the 1st time to hit and munitions f o inside russia, the kremlin says a new phase of the war has now begun, and it is bellowing to respond accordingly. as well as allowing ukraine to use the missiles, the binding ministration is also given. keep the go ahead to use american land mines. us defense secretary lloyd austin, says that is a positive step that they're fabricating their own and our personal land mines

right now. the land mines that we would look to, to provide them with the landlines that, that are not persistent. you know, we can, we can control when they would just as a self self activate, self designate in the and that makes it, uh, you know, farm. ready or a safer eventually than the things that they are creating on their own. i for more now i wanna pull into, i'm gonna tell us our most. so she's a senior lecturer in security and development at kings college in london. it's, it's good to have you with this. if i could, i'd like to pick up on what the us defense secretary said right there. what exactly does he mean when he talks about non persistent land mines and i have no very nice to be in your program. i think what, what is meant as are these non lines, very kind of fish destruct or they have are sure to sort of live span because that

they sort of, they lose the battery charge. and from what i've read, you know, they could, they could be active, be between sort of from 4 hours to maybe 2 weeks. so they're not on lines that, that are active for, for long, long periods of time. therefore, they are a lot less dangerous. i mean, the question that arises in my respect days in this respect is you know, to what extent companies to be considered efficient. because if they have these live span, then what you would expect is that the russians might wait until this live spam is over. so i think we need to find out a bit more about the technicalities for our job. what is clearly said, if my minds are deployed, you know, they, they can help to lead me to do a search and extend also these, these russian advances, especially in areas where they've been quite successful and those around go to that, don't thoughts on, on potentially separate easier v underwood training bands, the use of the types of land lines that we're talking about. and we know that the

united states and russia, they're not signatories to this treaty. ukraine is so how well ukraine justify using these landlines? a really nice thing that ukraine is in a good position to explain why needs these land mines. it is facing a major russian on smote the russians themselves of mind significantly. you know, in almost parts of your brain and cherry tree, the mining the russians of carried out is extremely substantial to the point that you wouldn't need just one mechanism to sort of to make them, you know, prove all but you need many different mechanisms to clean up the areas that are under no russian controls. so it would make sense from a military point of view for the ukrainians also to use them. and i think that they have already mentioned that they would, you know, have for 4 of you sort of emergency reasons to you know, to, to use and,

but they've made clear that they would not deploy domain in densely populated areas . so i mean for america, india result this on the lines where at the moment they are very few people living these various by the might, it might have been, i mean, it's surprising to me that this has not been done previously. because if we look at the mines, thieves of the russians upside down, these were one of the elements that really made very hard for ukrainians throughout the phones. now we know that russians are less concerned about. so if you're not about military casualties, one the ukrainians are but still, you know, it's gotten sort of had to stop or, you know, to concentrate their brands on certain areas where they're not so many landlines and then make them more vulnerable to attacks. let me ask you to what about the american position here? um, in june of 2020 to us, president biden announced a near global band on anti personnel land line used by the united states. so what

do you think prompted this shifting policy? i mean, we've been seeing a lot of shifting and his policies in the past week when i think not just the americans, but to those of our score, you know, a phone ring, these will very close. see on many, you know, many commentators we're, we're coming to realize that, i mean some of these constraints, the same applies to cluster bones. you know, in theory it's, it's a very good it's, it's a very important, you know, as long as when, when we've tried to band vase these kind of munitions, cluster bombs, mountain lives, because of the implants that they have on cdns, especially non mine's many years, often so also they have a name, but for example, on the use of now i'm done agriculture. but when you are a boy, you know, there are moments when if you do not employed these kind of weapons, you are a disadvantage. i'm now ukrainians have limited, you know, limited weapon re,

so i think that the kind of work for me that they can use unfortunately despite the challenges you know, mind play to their advantage on the long term might say bundle does bring your lives. so we need to see if they send the perspective of the broad context of okay, the most out from kings college london is always we appreciate your time in your analysis. thank you. all right, let's take a look now. some of the other stories that are making headlines around the world, rushes parliament has back to legislation, banning the promotion of a so called a child, a free lifestyle. lawmakers also block the russian children being adopted by citizens of countries that allowed gender transitioning is the latest in a series of walls promoting what the kremlin calls, traditional family values. the united states has vetoed the united nations security council resolution calling for an immediate cease fire in gaza because they did not

call for the release of hostages. the council voted $14.00 to $1.00 in favor, but the us veto meant that it was not adopted in military court. and the uganda in a capital kampala has a charge opposition leader. his a seizure with the possession of a legal fire arms and soliciting for in weapons. it comes days after he was reported missing during a book launch in neighboring 10 years. procedure denies the charge. the authorities in south africa are involved in a weeks long stand off at a mine. it's no longer in use. police have cut off of food and water supplies there to forced out hundreds of illegal minors. searching for lift over gold. it's not clear whether the men are trapped or refusing to come out and face arrest. that means diane hawker report from the band and by 2 kilometers down this whole

hundreds of mine was up. indeed to retract the mine is a cold. sometimes i must loose the translates to mean those were trying to operate as part of unlicensed mining syndicates. they often stay underground for months at a time relying on food deliveries from local businesses and family members. now police have cut those supplies and clothes. the other exits in an attempt to force the mind is above ground. police say this is part of why the plans to cook violent crime, which they say is driven by legal minus at this particular area where we are at one point in the past did we picked up about 20 bodies of these indigo minus that had been fighting these are the over the tests. so, um we, we, we, we came with this as i told you to say, let's put a stop to all these um,

in this it might make to reduce because the ease that proof when we do get the crime statistics that shows that areas where they use indigo mining operations based bound to have high incidence and high levels of crimes. but relatives of those trapped underground have a different view saying the family members are just trying to make a living. this woman trouble, 200 kilometers, to find out with the husband has made it out alive. she hasn't heard from him in 2 months and fears the worst. i ever heard anything about what's going on and around. i'm hoping that someone will be able to give me some information until tuesday community workers. and mine is had been coordinating a risk to if they've been using basic tools groups, a police and this mutual bar. it's

a difficult and extremely slow process and they say that they only able to bring up one person at a time. that's why these community members are hoping that the government's risk takes him very quickly and that they are able to start the risk of being larger groups of 5 to 6 with his at a time. the government risky process could take a few days to be sure to get underway. risky workers must bring in heavy equipment and can't weigh a rebel from the site. but the www is diane hawker has just returned it from that gold mine. she joins us now. why from johannesburg? saying, i have to ask you this, stand off, it's been going on now for a very long time. is it possible that these are legal minors? is it possible that they are trapped down there? a well branch, it depends on who you speak to the police in south africa,

all of the belief that the miners are not trapped and that they should be able to get out of the mind independently in the hope that the police will be able to arrest them very soon afterwards, and you saw in that package there's quite a lot of police surrounding that exit. and that's because they've closed the entrance ways into that same maze of minds. so that is really one of the only exits to that mind when you speak to the community members. they have family members, and those who have been conducting this risk commission. they say that the miners have been underground for too long without water and food. and many of them a week, and that's why they characterize them as being trapped, as opposed to just hiding or trying to avoid arrest. yeah, it's, it's amazing that people would risk their lives at all to go inside in a band. and mine is a band and mine site,

i'm assuming they're doing that because they think that there is still enough gold left that it makes it worth while. i mean, is this a profitable endeavor to it certainly is a profitable endeavor, and we see that from the fact that they are illegal mining operations all over the country. in fact, the police have said that they are at least 7 of the 9 provinces in south africa. they've identified illegal mining operations. all in this use mine shots. the reason that these illegal mine is believe that the is gold underground is because they actually come from the they have previously with many of them have previously worked for the kitchen. but minding organizations have even lift, backed employment, or been let go all through other retrenchment, processes and they, oh, quite familiar with the underground situation. of course, in this instance, it's a different story because the circumstances are different. they are mainly using

a rudimentary tools as opposed to, you know, lodge a mining equipment. and the really the main, a cost in this endeavor is the cost of paying these labor is. so when the illegal mining cindy could look at the situation that is a financial benefit to them and as well to these workers for risking the lives going underground. yeah, definitely a big price to be paid for. sure. the w diane hawker with the leaves tonight from johannesburg. diane, thank us. all right, before we go, here's a reminder now of our top story. ukraine has dismissed warnings of a major russian missile attack as a psychological warfare operation stage by the kremlin us and other western nations close to their embassies and keep in response to the threat. you're watching dw news. i'll be back at the top of the hour with more world news. i hope to see you

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