the the, this dw do is live it from berlin wanted for alleged war crimes. in garza, the international criminal court has issued arrest warrants for the leaders of israel and her moss. and the international criminal court is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and his former defense minister, you'll have good lunch or both charged with directing attacks on civilian populations and using starvation as a weapon of war in gaza. also coming up and ukraine says that russia has fired an intercontinental ballistic missile at one of its city keeps western allies have not confirmed this. if it's true,

it would be the 1st time that an icbm has been used in the library. golf is good to have you with it. we begin with arrest warrants issued by the international criminal court over the war in gauze of the court in the hague. today issued the arrest of israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and his former defense minister, you'll have kalonde for war crimes and crimes against humanity that in yahoo has rejected the accusations describing them as disgraceful and anti semitic. and a warrant has also been issued for how mazda is military chief mohammed dogs. israel says that he was killed by a striking gauze, though from us denies that he is dead. i want to cross over now it's our corresponding rosie birch yard. she is outside of the court in the hague, in the netherlands, rosy,

walk us through this. what our nets and yahoo and go on. what are they accused of? yeah, the international criminal court, which is right behind me, it's pre trial chamber, says it has found reasonable guidance to believe that both men are responsible for war crimes, including starvation as an active warfare and including targeting civilians and crimes against humanity. those kinds of legal persecution and shumate acts. and what does that mean outside of legal jargon? well, they talk about the 2 men are sound accused of intentionally a knowingly. the court says, depriving civilians of objects indispensable to their survival and that includes food medicine, medical supplies, electricity, the court. and it statement also refers to, for example, doctors having to perform surgery without access to honest asia for their patients . and in those alleged claims that it'd be listed mean that both those main or no internationally want to,

they are officially fugitives of each national criminal court. and there is also in arrest warrant out for they come. awesome leader, i think the, the military leader of a month, what do we know about him? that? yeah, absolutely. the rest smartness being issued for 100 days, he's also also otherwise known as an a e for him almost 3. now, originally the international criminal court chief prosecutor had sought rest morris for other her last leaders who have since been killed on the i. c. c says it doesn't know whether my homicide is in fact of life, but i can't prove otherwise. and therefore, as proceeds with this arrest for it, no, he stands accused also of war crimes and crimes against humanity. and those include rate on other sexual violence. the crime of extermination also of targeting civilians and taking hostages. and of course, that relates to the last terror attacks is october 7th and the hostages that have to be taken ever since. and therefore he also is internationally wanted and also considered a fugitive of these courts. where is the, we know that the i c, c, the,

the court. it has the power to issue arrest warrants, talk to me about its power, or maybe like they were up to execute these warrants devil. that's really the exact limit of international law that we see playing out here because the court doesn't have and there is no such thing as any sort of international police force. it can go on arrest suspect as war criminals. instead, the court has to rely on the enforcement powers of its members states, and i know all countries are signed off to the treaty which establishes this court noticeable exceptions. the united states and israel. neither of them are signed up, but a more than a $100.00 on 20 other countries are, and they are legally obliged to arrest any official suspects. a war criminal suspect, or fugitive of the i c. c, should they arrive in their territory. that means, for example, germany would be legally obliged to arrest mister netanyahu. sure to visit the country. now we have, however, seen in the past, the countries have no respect to its or know a follow that obligation. for example,

we saw a the case with long goliad, which did not arrest russian president vladimir putin despite the fact that he, himself, is also a fugitive of this international criminal court. and the on the we've also seen the fact that preaching has not been anything really of a, of a total perio on the global stage receive the other leaders happy to shake his hand despite the fact that he has these labels. so that swipe right is a big difference between issuing the rest of the words and actually see any of those suspected work criminals in the don't here in the hague dw, as far as the board chart in the hague, in the netherlands, rosie, thank you. our team coverage continues. now let's go to our corresponded emily gordon. she is in jerusalem. emily, so now we have a sitting head of government and israel with an outstanding arrest warrant issued against a how is the government reacting as well, the government and as well as reacting with outrage. the prime minister's office issued a statement today, cooling the warranty and to of pulling the decision to issue

a warranty. i'm just emetic. the statement also verbs quotes the israel projects. we've discussed. the episode unfold actions on charges against it by the international criminal court. this has been occurred by several members really by all members of his cognitive, nothing's cabinets, national security minister, benjamin. it's a, i'm a small national security minister. it's a mob been give your came out saying that's the answer to the arrest warrants to the some sweeping bionics ation all of once is that the occupied, the west bank and all of us, of course, is illegal. but the outrage essentially is also not just confined to the government, it is quite wide spread across the political sphere and as well, um, even you know, a long months ago position in a month. so excuse me. um offices need a yella pete is also issued as condemnation and done the rejection of this, of these warrants. but the husband have a one exception and that's come from the head dosh quantity,

which is the fall last policy and as well. and they've come out saying that the quotes, the course in the hey, decided, according to clear evidence missing you all you and go on are responsible for the partial destruction of golf and the mass murder of its residents. they have to pay a price for it. but again, this is an exception to the rule. so far really we've seen across the board across the political boards. what spreads outrage and really out this decision? yeah, in either the war in guns is not mistaken. the we have to say that the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, he's become a lightning rod for controversy inside is real. how is this announcement of this arrest warrant? how is that being received by these rarely public well ethic. again that's an exception to the role as a broker. you said you have become some of allotment. roden is rarely a society, but on this is where it is actually seemed quite you nice it's. i think that the vast majority of is really is i don't think i miss. i know i'm go long so how can missing will crime? there was

a sudden consensus in israel about as well following how most of the terror attacks on october 7th and the taking of the hostages. that israel had a duty to defend itself. and i was talking to someone earlier who is an audience, a christmas critic or messenger. and he said that while i criticized him and his political decisions, especially during the course of the school, i absolutely apartments do the rest horns. and i think that reflects the kind of why the sentiments you know, that and you know, has been widely criticized over the course of the school for one who speak to someone who is responsible for lowering october 7th to happen. and at the same time, he's been criticized so not to agreeing to receive 5 deal out of i'm seeing the, the release of the hostages. but that's again when it comes to the i c. c. when it comes to international christmas or to criminal court, there is a consensus here about the institution itself. it's biased and that's also why this ruling is why we rejected use

a building we need with the latest from jerusalem. emily, thank you. well, my next guest is mr. julie bo suji. he is a former president of the international criminal court. he is now a jurist into the school of law at the toronto metropolitan university. he's also an author. it's like his book is the end of immunity, holding world leaders accountable for aggression, genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. mister bo suji enjoys beat to night. from toronto, it's good to have you on the program. i'd like to start by maybe getting your reaction to what we just heard from our correspond there in jerusalem also of what we had at the top of the report. what did you say to claims that the icpc is decision today is anti semitic? is not going to some may take a close,

it is to the us back to the people who. ready they use these processes were deployed fact kind of from the political like and as a last resort the, when the i c, c was the prosecutor thing, the lead us of kenya for the port selection filings in kenya, i cc was cold races to, to look in your colonialism and those facts until pub, this is nothing new. the more intelligent thing for people to do is to respect to international more all these people know what i can to national tears, but sometimes they want to uh, have you know, a grievance thinking, but they are probably not still the comment and international doesn't was now we

see that that's not quite the case, mr. ba, due to sorry. if i, if, if i can just ask you, i'd like to ask him as an inside of yours, someone who knows the i c. c very well considering the courts limitations. why are the arrest for the is really prime minister and the former defense minister as well as the homeless military cheap? why are they relevant today? so yeah, they relevant because it makes that point. oh is getting it. so no one is above the international basis. again, the subjects of both to, to raise them. they are tied to the book, tells the story of how from 1992, up until 1945 when the loan was conquered. ties that to say that it does not matter how high you want in the political load. it doesn't matter how powerful you, uh, you must respect and to match the law. if you don't,

the process is up into nice, low will come calling and that loan by the way, was settled in 1945 in the new room. but processes. this is important because by 1945, each row has not been created as as tight. so it is a new site, everyone must with space and when the war in guys, as part of the process, it gets on mr. can arrive at the beginning, right of the beginning. he saw where this might go. he went to rafa gate and told everyone the guy to find this for the rece into mass of low. you must respect it to everybody. so this is nothing new. it doesn't help to yell to tend to some. it isn't when people should know. so you do not in this day and age, find the war to then tell yourselves that as long as you,

when last all that matters, no international law says, if you must fight a war, there are ways you can not do it. v i c, c. we know reliance on state cooperation and i want to ask you as journalist, we cannot travel to garza to independently verify information that is given to us by either the adf or the hum oss lid health ministry and god. so for example, how does the i see, see, how does it have access to the evidence that it needs to justify arrest warrants a? well, this is a method really to do, you think is all said they can call to solve the project. you know, i used to be a problem to get them by so many years. i go out international criminal tribunal for the lender. and they do have the copies to solve the problem. because those of these mechanisms have the ways of obtaining evidence which

is not always known to the public, but eventually they do gather information. so i can come from cooperation law states that can come from the what do you see yourself, which they have of the ways of verifying and confirming that very many ways of doing that. and then witnesses who will give evidence and witnesses who they put in se positive and all of that. so the ways of the group, real thing, the evidence. the one thing here is that the judges looked at the evidence presented. and the throw that on the basis of that evidence, they could move forward in mind to hear when people talk about time to semitism before the prosecutor made the application. so i rest for the prosecutor had the pentode, but it pop tourists. international law, as one of them was a little closer the bible himself, the delta type,

their own who used to be a pub, legal advisor to the is really the foreign ministry in this younger days later and rose to be the president of international criminal tribunal for that somebody goes to live, you know, highly respected in children's thing was on the panel and he was with all the other exams. think about 6 or 7 of them looked at the evidence. 10 said yes, this was mr. can we see your point of how you feel of your application oriented? want to ask you before we run out of the time of, you know, the situation in the world right now. you know, the limitations of, of your court. the power of the i, c. c, some have argued, it has been its ability to name and shame when it issues and arrest warrant. and yet we've seen with leader such as the russian president vladimir putin with an arrest warrant is issued. he has not become the international per why event some

expected would be the result of that warrants. now we're seeing.