the dots now when the story in for my renewal, i will need for migraines, wherever they may be violence against women and goes remain one of the most prevalent on both the use of human rights violations in the world. according to the un, a woman is killed every 10 minutes. the silent epidemic is only getting worse. so what drives us violence? is it fairly the actions of individual man or does the problem light and deep also side and structure that systematically undervalue women? are man alone to blame or 2 factors like flawed of bringing and rigid gender roles, contribution and why is why is against them and more prevalent in certain regions as compared to others. to day on to the point we are discussing, widens against women. is it an epidemic that no one cares about

the hello and welcome to, to the point, i'm each of how do i sign in here in berlin and to disk. this goes to some very sensitive topic. i have 3 women from 3 different culture backgrounds, both on the final is due to the us. i have the she is a gentleman around you in june. it is a trained position on and bottom. she lies actively on discrimination and violence against women in it on my next guest as sort of to read or sub. she is a german of gone activist and social on the for now, based on the child at the project. she supports them in on children and of kind of fun. and joining us via skype from india, i'll be have yoga that pay on ah, she's an on tv activist. her organization supports rape. so i was get justice in india is a very long welcome to all of your thank you for joining. now

let's take each country one off to the other builder. yvonne has this mind between all of them and have to cover their heads at all times when they are in public. and now the state the saying that if women decide not to do this, then they would be sent to clinics to hospitals to get treatment. what kind of treatment are there any talking about? that's no kind of treatment. it has nothing to do was treatment. so women, iran are supposed not only to cover their heads, but also their body. so basically only hands are supposed to be free in the face. and a lot of women have defied this mentor, a job law for 2 years now more than 2 years. so the government has tried everything to, to get women to away again, but they haven't been able to do that. they've changed last. they made rigid, horrible, beautiful, a lost, the women have their cars towed,

they get their bank accounts closed, they cannot leave the country. they have to pay an incredible amount of money when they don't, where they're head scarf outside and still they did not stop taking it down. a lot of women in the wrong right now are leaving the house without their head scarves. so now i guess the next step of the room is taking a saying, well, they're crazy. and so we need to treat them. and i mean, that's not a new narrative. women have been called crazy for hundreds of years when they do what they want to base with when they say the a preview in the need treatment. or is there a threat be door that you know, they would be thought to it in the clinic. so what do you make of this? i mean it's not clinics, it's the same that they, the women experience influence. it's basically you lot of women and people in prison around they get some kind of sedation medication. we don't really know what they're giving them and violence, torture,

sexual abuse. so all of that is going to happen though to. that's what we're talking about. the laws of goodness done has this local device and vote, you know, and that is about indeed the most depressive and most discriminatory law that donavon has brought about. can you explain what is it? yeah, i think the important thing is that of the tyler pon, i have a violence. i'm interested in a lazing for every and if guns lindgold at women, i am extremely, some engender and the time is size of the versus collation. but i'm a post office bearer of violence that affects the long before the day. but the problem as significant as on the particular the clauses deeply rooted. and that's, is it totally been rep every, arise from the women and the now say look as,

see a lot of, of women's own for example, that have no opinion to live like a women like a human. and it's a i, i'm really a search and he comes to explain because i am speechless about the what the telephone want that women are before us. if i read from the law, it says that women are duty bound to hide their voice face and body. so they can't even speak in public as of it, but i can say it was the one that's a women come and uh yeah, that can be inside of the house and have the right to live because it's not they're not being treated as human. so yes, they have to have the most in the open and the eyes also tell them it's quite to

scare the situation. you're letting me come to you and i'll be discussing it on an i've gotten into another situation. and guys of course not compatible with these countries because of course, there is no state sponsored violence against women. but despite being a democracy factor means that india is on the list of one of the most dangerous countries for women on up by do you think is that so it goes to the d and definitely be gone compared with the other 2 long trees and the challenges you have on this and then what we have. well, because we haven't got the same thing to divide those form, we have more of, you know, you can see the 40 percent of the population, which is actually the population. although we forgiveness and not be holding things against women, you know, also even say those are those other things they need to do as ones because not even

the come to the line. they are not on peoples. you could imagine the kind of the, yeah, you know, the maximum, the guy knows what the address would be the you know, so we can only see the, the, i know out we seem to have lost, you will get that, but we continue on here. so when we talk about violence against women, it's not just about it on a grandson or just india. it's a global phenomenon. and according to the you and almost 90000 women and girls remote at worldwide in 2022 or half of them located by that partner or a family member. that is more than 5 killing spar are and there's absolutely no country or community that is unaffected by this. a warning, the murder of a woman famous sides are wide spread and many african countries. one example you got in sports icon, rebecca chipped to, she fell victim to a brutal attack by her ex boyfriend in central and south america from

a side is an everyday occurrence. in brazil, a woman is killed because of her gender every 6 hours and activists have done mexico service side nation in india and the rape of a female doctor is recently caused an uproar. after the 31 year old was found dead in a hospital. the case, one of many in the world's most populous country sport, massive protest. the dinner on a woman is murdered by family members. almost every other day. women who defend themselves risk prison and torture. and in afghanistan, taliban policies render women publicly invisible and defenseless against sexual violence. and even in germany, a woman dies almost every day at the hands of a man is fam. aside the ignored danger. let's go

back to you. we'll get that. you very well making a point, why do you continue? i'd also like you to reflect on the fact that india is quite a big and diverse country. and so of course, google is that it was different from the cities and bun would assume that women are more unsafe in villages. but when you think of a recent goal, got the doctor's rape and murder case and the daily they've case that you've been very actively involved in that. doesn't that show that moving on, not even safe in cities, and isn't that any building those on the side of the government to make any changes? absolutely. are they, there is no to the phenomenon. do you know, be one of the deals that i've said for me because we have seen going to the, our busy season the last week on the i'm going to was the be in the heart of the tv . so we got to see that as well. any movement, any better than yeah. and the same time i would like to bring about, you know, the,

the old change which happens because it happens. and this is the end of the game because it happens to be different. but in religious fossil, the been said, minute opinion of the thing, the, the, the game that much more in the ovens, there's another way. but then it happens in the, in the capital g, which is supposed to be, don't be supposed to be the same. and the supposed to be going, you know, developing country in the, you know, the, the gap is, i think it is. we give them very, very, kind of alarming statements. you know, but it's been all season to cynthia, but don't you know, the last weekend. so i'm going imagine what is the feel of the winning, angelic thing policies is the also that's pretty hard venting. what isn't, isn't that any of them from the government side to make changes to this

a move? yes, they are trying the see the kind of commitment, the big thing a lot of people, dr. the nice, you know, the amendments in 1983 as often they have in 2012 the condition which dominique on the gift. but unfortunately, the papers, if you been to the you, if you asked me yesterday, also be the in the city. you know, the visa not close the close enough for the sensitivities. knowing this everything is dead on the but if i, the vs, do very well. the finding the the then the then going to happen in my last job. yes. to standing that there is no safety within the city. you can see not even guess the hall. the father was in the dust

and even even beautiful to gaze for the sick to the guidance. so i don't see any change in that. i don't see any middle name. he said, we don't see the ending of the really the mission wouldn't be just do a lot of the shoulders in busy, but unfortunately they don't want to. well, let me then they think it's not good election. they do not know that. okay. all right, so things have changed on paper, but there is no running that's on the side of government. that's what i'd be here from india. so she's mentioned a case that you would use. you said most of the rape case, which was the 1972. so in there was moved, at least on paper from 19 seventies. but when i talk of it on of the 19 seventy's, you know, when we see photos and we see that women actually believe adding much more martin's close back than was it just women reading martin close or was it on a different place for them? and back then, of course, so was a different place because it was,

they were physically safer. you didn't have to fear every time you left the house. i might end up in prison or i might and beat them up or dead. so yes, of course it was a different place to see the clothes that they were wearing wearing them. so basically it's just that the law obviously was different. and it was, of course, doing a paragraph for women when, when still went to sexual abuse and it was still not a uncomfortable aware of the quality, of course. but on paper, the law said that women, women then have more rights than today. and what really changed after the revolution in 1979, everything, everything changed. one of the 1st decrees that the new regime put on was that women had to wear the heads up. it was very clear from the beginning that this

dictatorship, this, this leadership of, of, of clerics and that the 1st thing they wanted to do was to put down women. and they of course deductive that from their religion. they, they said that we want to be different than the west here and any wrong. and there was loving, were public, we have morals, we have rules and we're not as like, you know, morally down as the west is. so it was also kind of, we are different and the case of women and the suppression of women is one of the main central pullers of this whole dictatorship. and so it was, it was that from the beginning. so what do you say? it's religion that's responsible for the oppression, or would you separate dictates a dictatorship from that. and i don't really care of 1st of all those times. well, it's not live months in my place to say anything about that of all i can say is that they use religion to do that. and any projects,

all the system is going to find something to use to compress women in the wrong it's religion. and it's and, and they, they put, you know, so called clerics in the, in the justice system where they say to women, you are worth half better man. that's that, think that's the law. so the problem is, of course me wrong when you have a country and that's a difference to india. and the, the state structure says women are worth less. and that is additional to all the sexes and a notice that are already in a society. so when you have structures, government structures to tell you to suppress women, then of course that's a different level for women are going to have physical violence and abuse all over in every part of, of life. i think you'll be the one that conviction. it's been

been in the damo, asian men reside this and these x is the only thing you also say you lose genesis because i focused on menu only do you and you're showing me the in the 2nd in the, you know, performing the, to those to even being the leader of the family, really just a set of also is dominated by men. so i think be awesome. you know, the goal is not all i know vision or don't go, you know, regarding the, to even, uh, you know, giving off the payments or cuz i mean, this is also part of the religious thing. then they ask for a son. you know, this is all part of the, me and julia that we have not been even on are also on the meeting for the i think that's where be going to need to be done with that. so that's something that's coming between most asian country, is that very patriarchal structures know both of you. you've gone from the asian

countries to germany, so you understand the west europe in german society as much as you understand it on and i've gotten it done. how do you see patriarchy here? both so speech yaki, there, are there any buttons? are there any differences? i think, and in germany were said as a very, in the future for the human rights. and about when you say example of an event on one to go to the house of fine health, the patio code system and a so it may cause difficult for this the men because that are not the trust is she said the true then she tells about her, um, violence and the it those because there is no police to

document this situation and, and if get assigned to me, you also know that the telephone make it in and it's in synchronization. there's a problem that to you come and do violence against women. but it is important to know that in german you own the rest. and this problem is also the same as it are. and so the difference uh, a little bit and hidden that you can find and the reason of your how the problem is that, um, i think when you talk with them and they go to a system to come to get a hose, you can um, find the problems, that's the government and germany, not really. i have a little that. um, it's a in for the vin, it's very difficult to find the way because it's

a problem with the money. but when you add an actual event in or she she's working and have children. and when she want to go go at the safe house, she have to pay one hundreds a night. and how can be it is because she loves the little bits in her life and have to pay for have fred and it's, it's not possible in my eyes. all right, so we, we are discussing of course asian countries here because we have 3 asian women from adonis on and on and india. but that does not change the fact that things are not really very nice in the european countries, either in germany, for instance, 155 women work is by their partners or ex partners in 2023 and in front of 72 year old women is fighting for his repast, still be held accountable to the family. coal was dropped by her husband over the

course of many years. she was re hundreds of times, not only by her husband, but by another 50 men who also allowed themselves to be fit. and by live a top and a closing statement in the college, as i have said, it's time that the module patriarchal society, that trivializes rate changes. it's time to change the way we look at it. it's not us who should be ashamed. it's them. women being how does faith and kills every day, but there are only a few stories that got attention like 2 friends it's, it's about the shame. so this is from where she think, you know, women a shame and that's why they don't come out. also, another reason is that the courts on not send a day, so they have to go to the trauma all over again. have you talked to people? do you know how courts can be send that?

that is, are there any laws that you know about that to talk about this, that, you know, when a woman goes with her complaint to the police or to the quotes that has to be structured, read about, she does not go through the trauma. again, they're trying that i know like as for instance in berlin, they have a police station that is supposed to handle these cases in a sensitive way. and i know of a case of a woman who was harassed and she was traumatized. and that she wasn't able to go there. she wasn't sure if she should go. so she waited, and after week her friends told her, you know, i think you should report this as important as reports. so she goes there. and the 1st question to ask her is, why did take this alarm to come? and their sense of highest like this is a special place where these women are supposed to go. so even when these places that are supposed to know how to deal with people who have been traumatized by sexual abuse or harassment, even they do it wrong. so the law is not enough. we need to acknowledge,

and i think that's the difference. as you also said, between the, the comes with the we're talking about iran is going to fund india and western countries. it's not explicit. in, in west, in germany we don't say women have like less value with a matter of course. no one would say that, but it's, it's in the structures, a systematic, for instance, on to in germany until 1997 rape inside the marriage was not a legal. so we do need to change laws, but also at the same time we really need to work on structures and narratives. and that's way hard to do with them to change laws, rape is matter to the rape is also not um, in the law in india, you'll get that this case from france. does it have any doesn't insight into a lot of lot of it. in fact, the kind of slow g, c, n, t to doesn't operate on the system and exactly what we seen in the systems on the see

my, i thought you might never imagine. i mean, the kind of stuff in she's going to wait and students are responsible as the, the, the diagnosis las vegas from somebody was your and exactly what happens in the roles. getting to be the really, you don't need to go through that. how intensively the are the exactly the same or even worse, you. so these, in the example to be the one that was a good and she's spending 4 days to be medically challenged and believed she's 19 and for her statement to the car for every single the know the pieces that the disease asked to go. and the statement in the, in the hosted respect because she was medically not that was she had to be a good day to. she was the subsidy,

but it's listed in going to be funding last evening. was they like me. it was investigating the day that this is the 3rd day. so you can imagine the light and things have not changed. that's why so say speak with someone to try to. they're harder stories everywhere. now we don't talk about violence against women. i think what does not disclose much is that this violence is guided out by men. so why on that enough discussions about, you know, how can we change the behavior of men? i know you've written a piece where you say that a man are also victims to the system. how do you see men in this whole scenario? that's a big question as well. i think it's important to acknowledge that violence against women and girls is so the problem of the whole society. it's not a problem of one gender. it's also a problem of man living and a patrick,

patrick. he is a problem for everyone because it effects every one. of course, women and girls are obviously because they get killed and raped the 1st victims. at the same time. if we don't make clear that we don't need to fix the problems only for girls and women, we need to probably fix the problem for the whole society. things are not going to change. so if we say men are only the problem, i don't think that's kind of work. i think we have to make sure that we don't need allies. we need people to fix it for everyone. we have to fix it for every month and for every month to fix it, it's most important that women should speak up because only if they do, they wouldn't be hurt. the mito movement is an example of that when, but men come together, things change. and if you want to women, tell us about your experiences. if you don't mind watching this, do let us know how your fellow man can be send a fax screen breathing apartments. thank you for watching. good by the,

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