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as is, according to the international criminal court in the hey, today, the icpc issue, the rest warrants for 2 is rarely meters, and one i'm off leader. the court says i'm us. military chief mohammed died was responsible for the october 7th murders, torture, sexual violence, and hostage taking. it is real. it also says is rarely prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and his former defense minister, your wife, kalonde, used to starvation has a weapon that has claimed the lives of many gods. and it added that the men knew exactly what they were doing on board golf in berlin. this is the day the no outrages anti israel decision will prevent us and it will not prevent me from continuing to defend our country in every way. we will not here to pressure. it is not the difficult decisions. is i'm not surprised besides,
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this is purely, i'm to submit. it's a long way to justify. and we're looking for the 20 most responsible on the side of justice sometimes take much longer than bullets on palms. but at the end of the day, we have reached the point of florida to also coming up ukraine's army has a problem. soldiers going a wall tonight to report on what is motivating thousands of soldiers to desert various units. because i'm not a robert now the band is not a murder. so now i will go to fight to, to be honest. i have no regrets. i lived a little and now my one wishes to see my mother and sister with their system. and to our viewers watching on tv as in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with the wheels of justice rolling toward israel and was that it has been more than
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a year since the home of terror attack on israel, about a 100 of the hostages taking that day have still not been freed. israel declared war against the mos directly following that attack. the fighting continues and today, the gods, the health ministry said that the death toll have surpassed 44000. that we have no way of independently verifying that number is really to moss, have accused each other of a variety of atrocities and crimes. today, accusations came from the international criminal court in the hague. after 6 months of investigations, the i c. c today issued arrest warrants for israel's former defense ministry you of deland and is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and one homeless leader mohammed died. israel says that they killed him last summer. the court holding all 3 men responsible for the debts and sufferings seen since october, 7th of last year. in statements released by the court. it found that there were
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reasonable grounds to believe that nothing yahoo and galani had committed the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other n shumate acts. and that both individuals intentionally and knowingly deprives the civilian population in gaza, of objects indispensable to their survival, including food, water, and medicine, and medical supply. the court also found that hamas leader mohammed dave is responsible for the war, crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture taking hostages, outrages upon personal dignity and rape and other forms of sexual violence. israel's prime minister has reacted angrily to the icy seas decision, and he gave the statement earlier. a bit didn't despise code, has decided to issue arrest warrants against me and form a defense minister. you'll have kalonde shall model on the fundamentally unfounded
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accusations become. then we have it allegedly committed crimes against humanity. the by the truth is completely the opposite. this is model bankruptcy. if i likes the natural rights of democracies to defend themselves against murderous terrorism . so i spoke with the i c. c 's, former president chile, about way of suji. i asked him for his response to claims that the icpc is decision, is anti semitic, is not going to submit. take a close. it is to the us back to the people who. ready they use these processes were deployed fact kind of from the political like human as a last resort. the when the i c. c was the prosecutor saying they lead us of 10. yeah. for the port selection filings in kenya, high cc was cold races to me at to look in your colonialism,
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an old patch until pat. this is nothing new. the more intelligent thing for people to do is to respect to international more all these people know what i can to national chairs, but sometimes the ones to uh, head you know, pub greevich thinking, but they are probably not still the comment and international doesn't was now we see that that's not quite the case v i c c. we know reliance on state cooperation and i want to ask you as journalist, we cannot travel to garza to independently verify information that is given to us by either the adf or the mos lid, health ministry. and gotcha, for example. how does the i c c, how does it have access to the evidence that it needs to justify arrest warrants
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as well? this is a method really to think like is all said they've come copies of the project. you know, i used to be a prosecutor by so many years ago that international criminal tribunal for, for a lender. and they do have the copies to solve the problem. because those of these mechanisms have the ways of obtaining evidence which is not always known to the public, but eventually they do gather information that can come from cooperation of states that can come from the what do you see yourself, which they have of the ways of verifying and confirming that very many ways of doing side of the witnesses who will give evidence and would necessarily put it as a positive law that so the ways of the group rooting the evidence. the one thing here is that the judges looked at the evidence presented. and so that on the basis
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of that evidence, they could move for, you know, the situation in the world right now. you know, the limitations of, of your court. the power of the i, c. c. some have argued, it has been its ability to name and shame when it issues and arrest warrant. and yet we've seen with leader such as the russian president vladimir putin with an arrest warrant is issued. he has not become the international per why event some expected would be the result of that warrants. now we're seeing the leader of israel and a leader of how mos facing an arrest warrant. are you concerned that in the current geo political atmosphere that we live in, that the, the power of the court is being a road is by its inability to execute what it wants, or some of the, not the power of the i, c, c, d, 's, lots about naming and shaming this is about the low and the law is about the
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obligation of states parties under a $124.00 states parties to invest the people that the i c c, the charges of these to the rest florence, to tens. so that is an obligation is a legal obligation and $124.00 states of the world. and the i see these obligations to do his job. its job is to prosecute people, whatever of the political incidents, a political that is and they come out of it will take care of themselves in the political step. but the crazy seat is about the law of the matter does. we need to train is focused on pad and multics funded in the way i to say, well leave, we expanded it and they didn't well then i see see what else is that some of the trouble the i sees even double the i c c is the whole people that comfortable on
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the basis of the law and that must be stressed with emphasis. mr. today, as soon as you, the former president of the i c. c. we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us on what it says. print a very busy day. i'm sure a for you. we appreciate your insights tonight as well. thank you. thank you very much for joining me now from the hague. is lawyer. yeah, i'll be honest with you as much. she represents hundreds of his really victims of the october 7th. i'm us. terror attacks. i always good to have you on the program tonight. first thing i'd like to get your reaction to the decision by the international criminal court today are these are risk boards. are they part of the justice that you are seeking for your clients? yes, thank you for having me. brent. absolutely. so today is the international crew, of course, at the hague issue to separate decisions. i'd like to underline mass, because that is significant for the victims. i'm representing the victims of the
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already a mazda tax began on the 7th of october, but that are still continuing, as long as hostages are in gaza. and victims are raising their eyes towards their, their, you know, hope towards this course. so that they are recognized as victims of international crimes, war crimes and crimes against humanity. so this is definitely a very significant decision interest. warren's against will have a day who is ro thinks is probably presumably dead. however, for the court, this is a valid arrest warrant at the same times in a separate decision, the international criminal court issued to arrest warrants one against prime minister and it's in the out and the other against former defense minister you'll have guidelines. and of course, this decision is, is received with mixed feelings, of course, but the direct victims are, you know, they're, they're very hopeful with the 1st decision against
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a lot of days because the crime has to be recognized. yeah, i want to pick up on that. i, i can imagine that the rest boards for 2 is really leaders reverberate differently for your clients than the arrest warrant for the homeless military chief mohammed dates. the absolute easy, the thing is to understand is that the, the icy prosecutor's initial declaration in may, that he is requesting 5 arrest warrants 3 against hamas leaders and 2, against the heads of you know, heads uh, is ready figures. what's the situation was the statement was made in the same dress and this decision, although i could understand the pressures and so forth, was received with a very big regrets by myself and my clients, the victims, the directions of how much the tax. because in fact, there, it was obvious that the effects would be a 100 percent focused against an arrest warrant requested against
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a democracy that is in war against a head of state. that is not a state party of the international criminal court. whereas if the decision, the statement would have, you know, what am, if he could have been declared of an intention to issue an arrest for and this against 3. i'm us leaders and a 9 am um, you know, within 10 for the other requests. and then my victims would have had their, our, and today they have their, our, and i really hope that we continue with this with the separate the separate procedures because these are separate fact separate evidence and different victims . well, yeah, let me ask you, was there any way that you could ask, were you able to ask the court and maybe when it didn't make it to announcement about these arrest warrants betting that it could announce them separately. i mean, is there any type of legal procedure that allows you to make that request? that is, that was exactly my request. on the 12th of august, i issued the views and concerns that i issued of invitation of the court. i issued
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views and concerns the victims of a mass attacks and we asked to just as be made, we ask the justice to be seen to be made. and we ask that any decision be founded and be issued separately to get an answer. and well, you know, the answer is really by actions. we see that the, the, that the, the pre trial chamber of followed our request. we are the only ones who requested this. and the decisions are, are published in 2 separate press releases, which i think is already significant, even though the timing is identical. nevertheless, at least we're making a step forward. yeah. yeah. your point is won't take it. i saw the 2 separate press releases that you are correct. um the news of the day definitely starts with the rest warrant for a sitting is really prime minister. i'm wondering how did your client see the rest of the warrant for mohammed dave in view of the fact that israel says that he's
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dead and from off it says he's not dead. let me ask if, let's assume he is dead. then would this be more sim, symbolism for your clients? i mean, what kind of just as can be reached, if he's dead? so it's a valid concern, but many victims share. and if he is dead, then these arrest warrants would not fly when they would be um they would be withdrawn. however, from the very 1st days, we know that the road to justice is a long way forward when the prosecutor declared his his intention to request the arrest warrants against the 3 hamas theaters. we were very happy very, you know, it was a moments of a milestone reached. however, for us it was already symbolic, and it was definitely not the final. and we want the 20 most responsible. who am i speeders? those were sitting in europe. who are um, you know,
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very sitting very happily and contentedly while their own people are dying and guys because of their decisions. and so much blood should. so these are the people we want. we know we knew that the head. so, you know, the, the 1st 3 they had very little chances of arriving to the adventure of the accused . however, the others sitting much more comfortably. um, you know, we're aiming at that and we have amazing expressed that our sides were committed as much as we are for this long journey of justice. are you expecting that more arrest warrants to be issued for those other from us leaders as absolutely, we've been in direct contact with the investigators of the r c. c. since october, when we issued the 1st complaint that was communicated in the name of some us victims to the court of the i. c. and since then we've been in direct contact. we are transferring evidence the to this day the prosecutor has not investigated on the ground. and so that, that kind of replaced the visit on the ground investigation on ground. but our
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active involvement is substantial. and we've been accompanying key witnesses, survivors as well to provide testimony to the court. i'm sure you're aware that the reaction from the is really prime minister today. and he said that these arrest warrants were anti semitic, implying that the i c. c has a more compassionate ear for the palestinians than it does for the is really victims of the terror attacks. and i want your opinion, what have you experienced? they are the i c, c, in terms of the court. treating all people all parties equally. the us look what is in the hearts and minds of people is difficult to to know. also judges sitting in domestic chords. however, let us recognize that this is a, you know, a decision with gravity, a severe gravity to be named as
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a suspects interest warranty. you know, someone who has an arrest warrant against, for crimes against humanity, more crimes for someone with our history. and our identity, you know, is right is, is very grave and it's in his cannot be undermined. so it is very understandable that these arrest warrants are received even with shots and har, 5 is ready population. and this is true, despite the fact that n as rose society is not equal on it spends and on his positions on the ceasefire or the need of words and so forth. there was no doubt that this war was imposed on us. we did not choose it, it is a war of no choice, but in terms of the length of the war and, and, and so forth. and the needs and the, the state of the hostages. there is, of course, if anyone is looking at the street in this row, then there is a force, you know, great disruption and an ease within this really society. let me ask you, let me, let me. yeah. let me ask you, i just spoke with the former president of the i c c. and i asked him this question
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. he said that the, the response i have absolutely nothing to do with anti semitism. he says that the decision was not anti semitic. absolutely not. he said, can you say the same thing? do you feel that these decisions today, these arrest warrants were issued with the anti semitism involved? i think this is a court of law. there's procedures. there is a level of evidence and the procedure for arrest warrants are only one sided, their exports a only the prosecution and the chambers, the, the judges and the procedure to sit together. and there's no defense at all. this is the same in every case. i don't, i'm not convinced personally that undecided mitch's of is that the root of this. and i also don't think that the response is to deal with anti semitism. the response needs to be substantial legal. there are good legal arguments. the court practically said that, even though it hasn't given the final word on this,
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that it is not convinced that israel has the enquiry commission in place or the capacity or the will to try and to investigate and to try the same person's for the same conduct as the prisons under the focus report, so the response from israel is it, it can be very actually efficient. um it needs to be relevant. got, besides that there will always be this politicize the reality. yeah. and i see it from the side of the victims. i represent, and i really working very, we're all working hard for, for us to see the victims and not all of this the, you know, offensively politicized situation. reality. we understand. yeah. of the us government, we appreciate you taking the time to, to talk with us. i know it's been a very, very busy day for you as well as for your clients. thank you. i thank you. i appreciate it. thank you very much. ukraine is struggling to feel its ranks in part because of
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a sharp increase in the number of these versions. more than $30000.00 soldiers have gone a while this year alone will now ukraine has to criminalize the offense for 1st time offenders if they return to duty, dw myisha jobs, while reports cause it's been 18 months since on the condo, held a weapon. when russia launched its full scale invasion in february 2022 for the gone to fort them and certainly he thought he says, oh you're into the war. he handed his weapons to his ca mondo and left my little brother. my brother's good. so frantic his condition has become dangerous. he had even become a threat to my neighbors. so i went home and we, apart from my brother and mother, but i have no one else wish me any money for an exam though had no lead the way to apply to go his come on to had to report him for absence without leave. something
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which at the time could have put on it's on the, in prison for up to 10 yards. and it's not just him. cases of absence without leave have triple so far the fill. in august, the ukraine involvement, decriminalized steel fence for 1st time offenders. if that a to and to fight that includes sort of condo. now he's trying to join the 47th brigade, which is actively reaching out to the, to just telling them it's ok to make mistakes. and that the brigade would welcome them back. loyal oaks on the whole to often represent such strong to be soldiers. she says she's heard it on. men who knew they were being sent to the dead. men who had breakdowns, mental simply wanted to go home after 2 wheels on the front. de criminalization, she says was the one the option use of course and from there was such a large number of these crimes better than
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a military unit and assertion that they did not have time to process all of them the corporate to walk the case case has made it to this court in keys. he was caught joining a random documents check over to your office to he left his position on the front line. he was serving in the opportunity unit and coming towards struggling with tronic back been then he heard his wife wanted a divorce and he walked away from his unit for you. he stayed in a church and worked on the jobs. he didn't tell his mother that he had deserted when the police stopped and arrested him. he did not resist is q is another robert, another band is not a murder system. now i will go to fight, just to be honest. i have no regrets. i lived a little and now my one wishes to see my mother and sister went to assist the judge don. so get permission to to join the military and avoid prosecution. he must
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strict on within 72 hours. he tells us why he think so many people leave. could use the command. you don't care anymore. they don't go to the front line with us the easiest a far away from us. only a few go with or unit. is already what time only returning from my family. you see to but these are the only people i really go back to war for i don't worry about myself. i don't want them to work on the front line discussion is an uncomfortable subject. uh so the chair, sam yup. told him on the score, leaving your unit is a stigma for a minute. remind up a when of a corner is whatever the task is assigned to a unit. and this allows us to, we have to carry it out loud enough so that you have no matter if a man, but as the unit is wounded or dies to move from needed sort of to watch. so when
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