they have all the time i should just search for the day and take them out for i mean that the violence against women and goes remain one of the most prevalent on phobia. so human rights violations in the world. according to the un, a woman is killed every 10 minutes. the silent epidemic is only getting worse. so what drives the silence if it be only the actions of individual men or does the problem light and deep also size and structure that systematically undervalue women? are men alone to blame the or do factors like flawed, of bringing on bridge agenda role as contribution on why is one is against women more prevalent in certain regions as compared to others today on to the point we are discussing, widens against women. is it an epidemic that no one cares about the

hello and welcome to do the point. i'm each of how do i sign in here in berlin and to disc, disclose this very sensitive topic. i have 3 women from 3 different culture backgrounds, both on the final is given to us. i have a, she is a gentleman in june. it is a trained physician and for them she lives actively on discrimination and violence against women in it. on my next guest as sort of to read or sub, she is a german of gone activist and social on the china paper project. she supports women and children and of kind of fun. and joining us via skype from india, i'll be have, you'll get the pay on, ah, she's an on tv activist, her organization, suppose rape. so i was get justice in and is a very long,

better control of your thank you for joining. now let's take each country one off to the other, give the yvonne has this mind between all that boom and have to cover their heads at all times when they are in public. and now the state is saying that if women decide not to do this, then they would be sent to clinics to hospitals to get treatment. what kind of treatment are there any talking about? that's no kind of treatment. it has nothing to do with treatment. so women a wrong are suppose not only to cover their heads, but also their body. so basically only hands are supposed to be free in the face. and a lot of women have defied this mentor, a huge up law for 2 years now. more than 2 years, so the government has tried everything to, to get women to obey again that they haven't been able to do that. they've changed loss. they made the rigid, horrible, beautiful, a lost, the women have their cars towed, they get their bank accounts closed,

they cannot leave the country. they have to pay an incredible amount of money. when they don't know where they're head scarf outside and still they did not stop taking it down. a lot of women in the wrong right now we are leaving the house without their head scrubs. so now i guess the next step that the resumes taking is saying, well, they're crazy. and so we need to treat them. and i mean, that's not a new narrative. women have been called crazy for hundreds of years when they do what they want, based with when they say they are crazy. and then the treatment a, is there a threat? be door that you know, they would be thought to it in the clinic. so what do you make of this? i mean it's not clinics, it's the same that they, the women experience and presents. it's basically you lot of women and people in prison around they get some kind of sedation medication. we don't really know what they're giving them. and violence, torture,

sexual abuse. so all of that is going to happen though to, that's what we're going to be talking of loans. i'm going to son has this local device and go to law. and that is about indeed the most depressive and most discriminatory law that donavon has brought about. can you explain what is it? yeah, i think they're important, i think is that of the tyler pon and have a violence. and it's just an amazing for every, and has cancelled at women and extremely from engender and the time and size of the versus collation bought a post office bill, a violence that affects the long before the day with the problem as significant as of the pet to pull out of the causes deeply rooted and that's is it totally been rep every arise from the women and you know, say look as see

a lot of ovens for example, that have no opinion to live like a women like a human. and it's a i, i'm really a search and he comes to explain because i am speechless about the what the telephone want that women are before us. if i read from the law, it says that women are duty bound to hide their voice face and body. so they can't even speak in public as of it, but i can say it is the one that's the women come and speaking. uh yeah, that can be inside of the house and have the right to live because it's not um they're not being treated as human. so yes, they have to have the, you know, somebody in the lives in the open and the adults will tell them it's quite to scare

the situation. you're letting me come to you and i'll be discussing it on an i've gotten into another situation. an india is of course, not compatible with these countries because of course, there's no state sponsored violence against women. but despite being a democracy, factor means that india is on the list of one of the most dangerous countries for women or not. by the thing is that so it is because of the d and definitely be gone to bed with the trees and challenges you have on this and then what we have. well, because we are ha, having on the same day the bible school, we have more, you know, you can see the 40 percent of the population, which is actually the population. although it's for the kinds of years we're going, you know, so we've been say the exams been, me know, a lot of those, those ones because not even the come to the langley are not on paper,

as you can imagine. i know the, you know, maximum of the guy knows, well the address to be the happening. you know? so we can only see the, the, i know out we seem to have lost, you will get that, but we continue on here. so when we talk about violence against women, it's not just about it on a got a son or just india. it's a global phenomena. and according to the un, almost 90000 women and girls unloaded worldwide in 2022. over half of them located by the pop, notify me. remember that is more than 5 killing spar are and there's absolutely no country or community that is unaffected by this. a warning, the murder of a woman from his sides are wide spread and many african countries. one example you got in sports icon, rebecca chipped to she fell victim to a brutal attack by her ex boyfriend in central and south america. from

a side is an everyday occurrence. in brazil, a woman is killed because of her gender every 6 hours and active is saved up mexico from inside nation. in india, the rape of a female doctor has recently caused an uproar. after the 31 year old was found dead in a hospital, the case one of many of the world's most populous country sport, massive protests. in iran, a woman is murdered by family members, almost every other day. women who defend themselves risk prison and torture. and in afghanistan, taliban policies render women publicly invisible and defenseless against sexual violence. and even in germany, a woman dies almost every day at the hands of a man is famous side, the ignored danger. let's go back to you. are you very well making a point?

why do you continue? i'd also like you to reflect on the fact that india is quite a big and diverse country. and so, of course, google's that, that was different from the cities and one would assume that women are more unsafe in villages. but when you think of a recent court got the doctor's rape and murder case and the daily they've case that you've been very actively involved in. so doesn't that show that moving on, not even safe in cities, and isn't that any building those on the side of the government to make any changes? i absolutely, and i, that is the, you know, being one of the cities out of state for me because we are seeing going to the are they decent, do not legally a good most viewed be in the heart of the tv. so we see that it's painful anyone any better than yeah. and the same time i would like to bring the book, you know,

the, the old change which happens because it happens. and this is the underlying gifts because it happens to be different. but in religious fossil, the instead of doing anything new the, the time that much more in the ovens, there's another way. but when it happens in the energy which is supposed to be, don't be supposed to be the same. and the supposed to be guard, you know, developing country in the, you know, the, the gap is i think it is. we give them very, very, kind of alarming signal. you know, but it's being not safe in the cynthia. but don't, you know, the last weekend this doesn't happen to i'm getting by the feel of the winning and daily sting phone pieces. you know, so that's 300 g. isn't that any of them from the government side to make changes to this?

it is yes. they are trying the see, the kind of commitment be the doctor that much of the nice, you know, the amendments in 1983 as often they have in 2012. there was just as the condition which stormy quantities in 2018 on the phone but unfortunately, the default leaving on people is if you pay for the you, if you asked me yesterday all to be done with the in the city. you know the visa, not for those the sensitivities on this day on the view, but if i go to the vs, do very well. the design, the maybe when the then going to happen in my last job. yes. to standing that there is no safety even in the city, you can see now, you know,

the father was in the best and even even getting pulled to gauge with stick to the science. so i can't see any change in that. i don't see any of the names we just really don't see the, the really, the mission wouldn't be just do talking a lot of these shoulders and busy, but unfortunately they don't want to. well, let me then they think it's not their election. they do not, not do that. okay. all right, so things have changed on paper, but there is no running us on the side of government. that's what be here from india. so she's mentioned a case that she believes he said, most of the rape case, which was in 1972. so in there was moved at least on paper from 19 seventies. but when i talk of it on of the 19 seventy's, you know, when we see a photo of and we see that women actually very much more modern and close bagman, was it just women reading martin cloth or was it on a different place for them? and back then, of course was a, was a different place because it was,

they were physically safer. you didn't have to hear every time you left the house, i might end up in prison or i might end up beating up or dead. so yes, of course the whether it's from place you see the clothes that they're wearing wearing them. so basically it's just that the law obviously was different and it was still not paradise. the women were when still went to the sexual abuse and it was still not the uncomfortable aware of the quality, of course. but on paper, the law said that women women then have more rights than today. and what really changed after the revolution in 1979, everything, everything changed. one of the 1st decrees that the new regime put on was that women had to where they had job. it was very clear from the beginning that this

dictatorship, this, this leadership of, of, of clerics and that the 1st thing they wanted to do was to put down women. and they of course deductive that from their religion. they, they said that we want to be different than the west here and any wrong. and there was loving, were public, we have morals, we have rules and we're not as like, you know, morally down as the west is. so it was also kind of, we are different and the case of women and the suppression of women is one of the main central pullers of this whole dictatorship. and so it was, it was that from the beginning. so would you say it's religion that's responsible for the oppression, or would you separate dictates a dictatorship from that and i don't really care of 1st of all those times. well, it's not the live months in my place to say anything about that of all i can say is that they use religion to do that. and any project will,

the system is going to find something to use to compress women in the wrong it's religion. and it's and, and they, they put, you know, to the so called clerics in the, in the justice system where they say to women, you are worth half better man. that's but think that's the law. so the problem is, of course me wrong when you have a country and that's a difference to india. and the, the state structure says women are worth less. and that is additional to all the sexes and a notice that are already in a society. so when you have structures, government structures that tell you to suppress women, then of course it's a different level. so women are going to have physical violence and abuse all over in every part of, of life. i think you'll be the one that conviction. it's been

been in the region that resides updates and b, 6 is the only thing deals with a booth just because i focus on menu only do you and the minute you're showing me the in the 2nd in command, it goes off, you know, performing the, to us to even being the leader of the family. really just a set of also is dominated by so i think be on, you know, the was not all i know the sender don't go, you know, you're going the, even the, you know, giving most of the minutes because, i mean, this is also part of the religious thing, then the us put us on, you know, this is all the part of the, me and julian that we even on religion are also on meeting for the i think that's maybe going to need to be done with that. so that's something that's coming between most asian country is that very patriarchal

destructive. now both of you, you'll come from the eastern countries to germany. so you understand the west europe in german society as much as you understand it on. and i've gotten this done . how do you see patriarchy hill versus patriarchy there? are there any buttons? are there any differences? i think an in germany were said as a very, in the future for the human rights. and about when you say example of one of them, one to go to the task of a fine health, the postal code system. um a so it may cause difficult for this uh the men because that are not and so trust is she said the to then uh she tells about her um, violence and the it those because there is no police to

document this situation and, and, and if that is some you also know that the telephone make it and it's institutionalizing this problem that to you can do violence against women. but it is important to know that in german you own the rest. and this problem is also the same as it are. and so the difference uh, a little bit and hidden that you can find the reason of this how the problem is batch. and i think when you talk with them and they go to the system to them, to get a house, you can find the problems. that's the government and germany not really and have a little that them, it's in for the vision. it's very difficult to find the way because it's

a problem with the money, but then you shall have them and she she's working and have children. and when she want to go a go at the safe house, she have to pay one hundreds a night. and how can be it is because she lost a little bit in her life and have to pay for have fred and it's, it's not possible in my eyes. all right, so we, we are discussing of course asian countries here because we have 3 asian women from about us on and on and india. but that does not change the fact that things are not really very nice in the european countries, either in germany, for instance, 155 women work is by the poconos or ex partners in 2023 and in front, a 72 year old woman is fighting for hood repast, still be held accountable to develop fairly cool was dropped by her husband over

the course of many years. she was read hundreds of times, not only by her husband, but by another 50 men who also allowed themselves to be filled. and by that a top and a closing statement in the college, as i have said, it's time that the module patriarchal society, that's true, but life is rate changes. it's time we change the way we look at it. it's not us who should be ashamed. it's them women being how does faith and killed every day, but there are only a few stories that got attention like chisels it's, it's about the shame. so this is from where she think, you know, women are shame and that's why they don't come out. also, another reason is that the courts are not send a day, so they have to go through the trauma all over again. have you talked to people? do you know how courts can be sent that that is,

are there any laws that you know about that to talk about this that you know, when a woman goes with her complaint to the police or to the court. that has to be a structured way that she does not go through the trauma. again, they're trying that i know like in, for instance, in berlin, they have a police station that is supposed to handle these cases in a sensitive way. and i know of a case of a woman who was harassed and she was traumatized and said she wasn't able to go there. she wasn't sure if she should go. so she waited, and after week her friends told her, you know, i think you should report this as important as reports. so she goes there. and the 1st question to ask her is, why did it take to so long to come? and their sense of highest like this is a special place where these women are supposed to go. so even when these places that are supposed to know how to deal with people who have been traumatized by sexual abuse or harassment, even they do it wrong. so the law is not enough,

we need to acknowledge, and i think that's the difference. as you also said between the comes of the we're talking about iran is going to spend india and western countries. it's not explicit . in, in west, in germany we don't say women have like less value of the matter. of course. no one would say that, but it's, it's in the structures, a systematic, for instance, on to, in germany on to in 1997 rape inside the marriage was not illegal. so we do need to change loss, but also at the same time, we really need to work on structures and narratives. and that's way harder to do with them to change laws, rape is matter to the rape is also not um, in the law in india, you'll get that this case from france doesn't have any, doesn't insight into a lot of lot of it has to go and the cars statement in the, in the back because she was medically not that was that she had to be

a subsidy. but when this thing didn't go and it's been funding let they seem to date like me, it was. and this thing the day that this is the 3rd day. so you can imagine the light and things have not changed. that's nice to see. speak with someone just in time to their hotter stories, everywhere. now we do talk about violence against women. i think what does not disclose much is that this violence is guided out by men. so why on the enough discussions about, you know, how can we change the behavior of men? i know you've written a piece where you say about a man are also victims to the system. how do you see men in this whole scenario? that's a big question as well. i think it's important to acknowledge that violence against women and girls is the problem of the whole society. it's not

a problem of one gender. it's also problem off men living in the project. potter kit is a problem for everyone because it effects every one. of course. women and girls are obviously because they get killed and raped the 1st victims. at the same time. if we don't make clear that we don't need to fix the problems only for girls and women, we need to probably fix the problem for the whole society. things are not gonna change. so if we say men are only the problem, i don't think that's gonna work. i think we have to make sure that we don't need allies. we need people to fix it for everyone. we have to fix it for everybody, for everyone to fix it. it's most important that women should speak up because only if they do, they wouldn't be heard. the mutual movement is an example that when women come together, things change. and if you want to women, tell us about your experiences. if you don't mind watching those, let us know how your filaments can be sent, effects seen breathing apartments. thank you for watching. goodbye. the

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