is clear, if you choose, become close in a cru, see a political conflict with oh you lost the run starts december 18th on dw the this is dw news line from berlin, georgia, as prime minister says the state will not allow a revolution after tens of thousands joined anti government protests, more than a 100 demonstrators are detained as anger grows over the suspension of tops and joining the european union. georgia is now gearing up for fresh protests. as long as fighters advanced in a surprise offensive in northern syria, revel unit celebrate. after entering the 2nd biggest city, 1100, jo reported dead in battle with government forces the

unlike local welcome, georgia as prime minister, iraq legal bi kits says the state will not allow revolution to take place. he was speaking after hundreds of demonstrators were arrested in a 2nd night of classes in the capital, tbilisi tens of thousands protested against the ruling georgia dream. suspending talks on joining the european union. the 3rd night of demonstrations is now expected. this was the scene in sibley seas. main boulevard. angry crowds faced off against police for a 2nd night after george's government said it was freezing talks to join the european union. oh the situation is quite tons. as you might see on the background, there is a riots police mobilized right next to the problem and we can hear that some of the

protesters are some of the protesters are sorry, the parts of the police has been using the water tied on when what's was is that people searching gas, they would leave the farm and square for few minutes and they would come back again, which makes it quite a police to discuss the crowd. the protesters say the ruling, george and dream party is dismantling democratic rights and pulling georgia into must goes or bit. we're not fighting only again. and we're finding is wasa, we're fine, and you're just watching the voice in these countries norm as amount of resources, money and everything, which is no inactive. so that is why i do us a lot of they do as of the democratic world support to jim. people,

the protesters already have the support of george's pro western president. mission media. this today, i can say with confidence that the resistance movement has the guns. that's that it is your movement initiated by you without any once instructions older mon, to see less than 10 years of peaceful c constitutional resistance movement modes and attendance philadelphia with it. but it's not a so he doesn't really clear on that show. the vast majority of georgian support, e u membership. george and dream also says it wants to join the blog eventually. but people here have taken to the streets because they sense their european aspirations are slipping. away and we're hoping to speak to the georgian president when we can get her to syria. now we're rebel forces have re ignited the simmering

civil war. as long as fighters have stormed into the 2nd biggest city, a level from rebels strongholds in the northeast. the syrian army admits it has lost control of much of the city which it had held for 8 years and is retreating. it's the biggest flare up in years in a civil war that has involved russia. iran, the us, tricky and israel celebrating victory slip as fighters on the streets for level back 8 years after being driven out on the devastating government and russian. it strikes the v joyce thing, but the belief is a crushing defeat to preston. the shot of us stopping on stair to a 5 foot spot, the former president half as it or not. i mean by dismiss at the end of 2 years of being displeased from it by the assembly indiscriminate the

machine to davy, to turn to a level by the will of god beat a ton to a country. well, i liked it as a big feeling to the land out of the place. you have brought up the surprised offensive bind. multiple trips begin been state in the northwest and gruff and so for level confidence a, fight the script to really different down get student government check posts and really to be he could but assets government, which is the fact that you don't invest, you has just funding with a strikes according to him, one of the thing dropped the city an opposite or with 3 for human rights. russian is strikes have hit a level for the 1st time in 8th us in an effort to push back the rep. as said, yes, military has said quote $1032.00 a level aims to prepare to come to offensive against that are just a couple

of years. many have lost their lives in decent government and rep, looked at happiness or bad in a want influenced by lupins and regional planned for almost 13 years or so tough. being a ward with opposition forces to speak to over to him. the conflict tests good enough to meet the tough 1000000 people. some 6800000 citizens have clicked the country. and now it's a decent offense. this has re ignited the fighting with an intensity not seen in the us. and returning to our top story, let's now speak to the president of georgia. so long as you are a bishop really, madame president, you've been calling for an endorsing anti government protest in georgia. we're seeing the use of water cannons protesters being arrested. what do you make of that? so it's not only what are kevins and the arrest. there is

a systemic violence against the protestors that is the following. and this is studying the violence against the georgian population when the where deprived of their voice in the elections. when they have been deprived gradually of each and every independent institution in the country, and that is the whole rest of the system that is taking a foot in the georgia and that has worked at the georgia in pollution that similarly is protesting, get introduced. this is dave and what is the new in georgia? the process are extended to all the major cities in georgia. and the process is also a gaming in the public service where people are signing the public protests or detecting resigning from their jobs. that's including in the diplomatic

community, especially in the uh and this is a, in the european union, right. this is the mfc international drug test against a v as a patient of power and the attempt to drive to georgia towards russia or in russia. president, please, please clarify something for our viewers. protestors took to the st specifically because the government announced it would delay talks to join the you. the government appears to be justifying the delay by saying that countries in turmoil is there some strictly reason in going on here. the, the, the, the government is the, the so called the government because the elections where vacant to completely, there was a systematic shooting of the elections. so they're not the parliament just about the valued and the government neither. busy but the,

this country was going steady to. busy york in integration, we got the candidate status last of december. and since then, since february of this year was the russian law 1st and with a number of measures. and the then government started to take this turn from the european union direction orientation that has been wanted by georgia for as ever as georgians can remember it towards russia. and it's enough to look at the rest of the statements. and that's to congratulate you and the georgian leaders of the georgia dream. and that's where you call now georgian cushion law. as their congratulates them for the turn they have taken. and that is an acceptable for the permission. so the resistance of the pollution is to these radical turn, which is going to gain stick ups attrition. because the trojan constitution

provides ad for the your atlantic pass that and asks each and every institution to do it at most to, to guarantee the advance georgia on these past you've just repeated your rejection of the election results that solved the georgia dream party. maintainance majority in parliament is there still any hope for the georgia and opposition which says it will boy god paul limit to what it is for you coaching parliament. and it's also to be noted that's none of the democratic western york and partners of georgia and have recognized those elections after. busy the months that these are already very strong signal and more is to come from american foreigners as well as from our york and partners. well, tell you to probably we discuss the situation in georgia of the europe and culture

of mid december. the european parliament has not recognized the elections is quoting for new elections, and that is what the jordan population is asking. it is not asking for revolution. it is not asking for anything and constitutional. it is asking for having elections that were stolen and the systemic. a russian type of scenario that's towards the elections is very clear and demonstrated. and it needs now to have new elections in new conditions. and probably the new and technical mission that is expected to come here should be the one. that's where to deter mind, how to rectify all of these irregularities pro, to what are the measures to be taken at to preserve the next elections for a repeat of what has happened. madam president, you say that the opposition is not calling for a revolution,

but do you think that the situation could potentially escalate to that critical point? it's, there is nothing to show that's because the protesters on the streets are very peaceful. what they are demanding to saying is they're demanding the return of their york in past and to new elections. there is no other cause of any kind. and everything has been extremely peaceful until the moment when the violence dispersion of the protest starts. and probably you have seen some of the pictures of that. and despite that old, the protest continual. so we use a legal forms that we use the lawyers that are taking the case of the protest or is that have been beaten as a we are very low, it binding to a country a we need to remain lower binding and remain in the constitutional

framework those that the objects of the constitutional framework today in many regards it on the defect to leaders that came out of these rigid elections. they're not respecting the constitution. they're not respecting the wheel of the people. and that's where we have to bring them back and bring back to the country in each right. europe in the past. well, we will be watching developments along as you surely will as well. madam president of georgia. so long 0 be should be like we appreciate your time to thank you. well, let's take a look at some of the other stories making headlines around the world. and there's really drones strike is killed 38 workers in gaza. israel's army says a car carrying world central kitchen staff was on mark and it killed a militant employed by the agency to other people were killed by a 2nd missile fired at the scene near the city of con eunice, germany,

social democrats, have watched their election campaign chancellor, all of schultz is pledging to lead the cd to another victory after his free party coalition collapse earlier this month. but poll showed them far behind the opposition conservatives. early parliamentary elections are scheduled for february 23rd of this. the greek prime minister carry office. mr. tuckers has opened a new metro, and the 2nd biggest city festival in the key construction was held up for decades by or geological discoveries which came to light during the building works. the new network will serve a metropolitan area of more than a 1000000 people. here's a reminder about top story this hour. more than $100.00 demonstrators have been arrested after classes with police in georgia is capital to policing tens of thousands trip to the streets for a 2nd. i to protest after the ruling party halted, talks to join the european union. and we will end is there

talk next, an interview with one of germany's leading economists on the challenges facing the country. i'm like looking for me in the rest of the berlin cru. thanks for watching and bye for now. the we are all set. we are watching to see the to bring you the story behind the new will on about come by as information for free might say, due to then unproductive, uncompetitive and bureau crossteck, germany,

once the beacon of fiscal stability has full and behind economically to talk about the policies needed to turn things a rise. i'm joined by came in 1st. he's head of the for research institute, and according to a recent ranking, jeremy's most influential economist for us are fullest. welcome along, i want to begin today by looking at german industry. when you see a 9th months of top cuts at the likes of thoughts, 5 or boss, or b, a ss, isn't your instinct to say, okay, this is very unfortunate, but these are just market forces. let's trust them to do their thing. or do you think right now is really the time for the government to intervene to save these jobs? i think it's both actually. it's true that the car industry is in transition to us as we all know towards the electric vehicles. and that 1000000000, i'm afraid that the fewer value added will take place in germany and europe simply because batteries of produce more easily in imagine you

economies, not so much in highly developed economies. so market forces imply that will have to be some adjustment market. false thoughts imply that will have to be on the adjustment in energy intensive sectors like the chemical industry. at the same time, we do have a decline in investment in germany, which is across the board rating, not trusting these sectors. and that doesn't mean the government has to look into over regulation, bureaucratic burden, a high tax rates in germany. so we do need a political agenda to make to how many more attract attractive for investments spot at the same time we shouldn't forget, companies need to adjust to market forces as well in concrete terms. so what should the german government do in this particular case, it's folks locking foss via ss. in these cases, i'm afraid all the government can do is say, okay, these companies need to adjust regarding the energy intensive industries of cause. the down government does need to think about the way it runs energy policy. there's

a lot of uncertainty job in the policy was a very narrow energy policy, focusing exclusively on renewable energy is routing out nuclear. it's probably time to re think that strategy because other countries do this differently. bought in particular regarding the car industry. i think what the government can do is limited. it's not nothing. for instance, if we think about charging stations for vehicles, the grids, so we need the more. busy powerful grids, because otherwise we won't even be able to have charging stations everywhere. so the infrastructure side is something the government should look into to. okay, so better infrastructure on one side. but if we look at this, strategically, isn't worth pumping more and more investment into say, the car sector, or is there an argument to made for saying, okay, well, the era of germany being synonymous with cars is over. that's fine. something new to focus on, and that's find a nice where we can really lead to god. absolutely,

it definitely will continue to be a place for the production of cause, but this will not be the false driving economic growth that has to come from somewhere else. fortunately dominate, does still have a lot of lots of number of very productive companies as the so called hidden champions, companies uprising successfully in market nations in very different sectors of i think the challenge is not so much defining which sectors will be successful in the future. that goes wrong, if politicians do it about creating better conditions overall for economic development, and that includes a invest into the education system, invest into infrastructure, invest into research and development. and indeed, we do need more new companies. there is a lack in germany, as well as europe as a whole of nearly developing companies of stop companies that are really successful . so we need to look into the conditions for these new the creative companies. we

like you can think of the markets for, for capital, for these companies bank, so i'm not very good at financing new companies. we need a better a tax conditions. we need a different type of label. it needs to be more flexible to accommodate these new companies. so stopped ops, new companies can create dynamism and europe and dominate needs to embrace that. let's look at europe and terminate together then on specifically germany's role within the european union. and the extent to which this is affecting economic performance. if we look at tariffs on at chinese eves, for example, this is something germany opposed, but was ultimately i voted on how do you view this tension between national goals and european cohesion? well, i think that a very different view as in europe, for instance, about free trades around law protection is countries, germany because of its national economic interest,

has been mall pro free trade. and i think germany should continue to try and convince the partners in europe that free trade is really what we need. we need extra free trade externally. and that costs or a free trade agreements with, with let them back in countries are very important and should be signed, but also with in europe in the last 5 years. uh, the, the, your opinions, the you has neglected. what i think is it's great as the assets, and that's the internal market. uh, we have a need for studies showing that removing obstacles to trade within europe in services could increase value added by more than $300000000000.00 euros per year. so we do have a growth machine that does not dependent on either china, all the us, which is the repeat internal market, but we should use it's rather than producing video rock receiving regulation which we've done in the last 5 years. how do you get rid of this regulation?

what is it in particular that is, is holding back the success of this internal market? i think it's a fundamentally wrong approach to the us taking the last 5 years. and that's the idea that we need to regulate the economy so that it becomes a more. busy sustainable and regulated in every detail that has gone wrong. mario, rocky, and his report on competitiveness has pointed out that the e u. a has issued 13000 acts of legislation in the last 5 years. this is much smaller than any other country, and it is simply too much. nobody can follow this legislation. it needs to complete over regulation. and we need to get rid of that. the tech, some of me on sustainable finance is a planned economy approach, which is totally misguided. the history reporting, the so called energy efficiency regulation, which is basically

a limitation of energy use is totally misguided because many of the sectors of the future, for instance, artificial intelligence do need a lot of energy. it doesn't distinguish between green and other types of energy. so a lot of policy arrows have been made in the u. i'm afraid these, i want to be corrected if we really abolish this legislation and replace it by more appropriate approaches. you mentioned that germany has a favorable approach to the free market and it sounds like you're saying that the u is becoming increasingly centrally planned. does this mean that the solution is more or less of the because this internal market requires an excess of cooperation? uh uh, i think we need, uh, not more or less you, but the right type of you, i think the, you does have some approaches to, for instance, the environmental policy to find a plan of policy which are very effective like c o 2 pricing the, the the,

the plan is out there now to extend the c o 2 pricing to the building sector and traffic. that's exactly right. what we need to get rid of is this over regulation. and this plan, the economy approach, like in the uh, techs on me for instance, defining sectors that are supposed to be sustainable and other sectors that i'm not supposed to be sustainable. that's for instance, has left to us defining the defense sector as unsustainable. and that now how would speculate ability to, to defend itself. so it's a totally misguided approach to try and define politically which sectors are sustainable in which i'm not, it's really nonsense and we should get rid of that as quickly as possible. if not, we are getting all sides into problems. when you say sustainable, are you talking about sustainable on an environmental level or on a financial level? well it's, it's not me, it's the, you're calling the sustainable. and i think they don't know themselves what they're

really talking about of cause the idea is mostly about the environmental sustainability of call sustainability. it has the social and government side. but because this approach is so wrong, my understanding is that the youth has given up on define making the same definitions for governance and social. so it has failed in the environmental area and stopped extending this. thank god to social and governance. you've mentioned that germany needs to invest in education on an infrastructure, but you are among those who don't think it has listened its rules on limiting that . what is your reason for that? especially when you consider that the debt to g d p ratio in the us, for example, is almost twice as high or uh, yes, correct. but the us is, uh, an economy growing much small, quickly with a different demographic structure is that's why you know, does need. and germany does need lower levels of that. and it is important not to confound that with investments. so if we just relax the fact that break, what we,

we'll get is more consumption, not necessarily more investment. so i think we should stop by understanding that for certain types of investment, for instance, replacing all crumbling infrastructure. we need to change the structure of public spending. we cannot do this all on the basis of that. if we think about education, we cannot use only debt financing to finances education because in the long term. and then there's so many people that retiring. so we are losing human capital and we are only replacing this by investing on education, and that has to be done out of current government revenues i, i wouldn't rule out that financing, for instance, for higher military spending, but i think we should start, we should 1st restructure public spending because issuing that is very easy. that's why politicians like it restructuring public spending is much more fraught with the

conflict. it's small, difficult structural reforms, but i need a more difficult and we shouldn't let politicians get away with just issuing that. as i said, that's very easy, but that's not, not the main thing we need that's returned to the question of demographics that this is a problem that's been brewing for a long time. there simply aren't enough workers here. the government has tried to address those with immigration reform. is there any indication these policies are having an effect? there is some of the migration and has been quite a, quite a lot of immigration in germany in the last, let's say, decade and that has helped the labor market. it's not just been immigration of refugees. it's been immigration into the labor market that has health and will help dominant europe in the future. however, for instance, for germany, some of that immigration came from south on a south east european countries. and these countries have lost a lot of labor falls and this immigration to germany is not going to continue. so

it is going to be more difficult to become all difficult to attract people. and that means yes, immigration is to continue, but we should also try and make more off the domestic labor force. and this is about making sure that it is, was supplying labor that the incentives are right to walk. we need to look into our education system. we need to make sure that people don't get tied to early a, so there is a lot that can be done. i want to come back to the retirement question in a minute, but just staying on that immigration reform. one argument i've heard many times is that germany would be far more attractive to talent. is more companies adopted english as a working language? do you agree with that? i totally agree. i think a lot of companies have adopted it more or less still it a, i mean the, there are still people who don't speak english and it's not always easy to do that

. but to being more open generally in companies, but also in the public administration. establishing more of a welcome culture or simplifying bureaucratic procedures. these are all things that are very important to make this a place which is attractive for immigrants. you said you want to make sure the germans don't retired too early. one is too early in your opinion. we don't really have a system that moves towards a retirement age of $67.00, and if that is the effective retirement age con, the, it's at $64.00, that would be progress. this will take some time. what we probably need is not the same retirement age across the board. we need more flexibility. but overall, we should avoid incentives to retire early ends and some legislation was introduced into pos, for instance, from the or the pension starting from 63. but while it's in the opposite direction

as life expectancy and to the extent that the life expectancy increases, we need to walk longer. there is no way around, but. alright, tim is 1st. thank you so much. the are you in the mood for a german christmas market? we check one out in breyman planning a visit to santorini. we'll show you the most popular spots on this greek island. and what does hunting have to do with nature conservation will find out with a hunter, these stories and more coming up on your own macs the

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