is going to be funded here repos here, every weekend on d w the this week on the 77 percent street debate may nibble to says below that, sorry, all those people have been kidnapped in your family, the basic and that my family keep it, keep people tired, no more, you know around so they need the help to stop a tell me that cannot be a solution. so you you think that it's ok for people to get mad at just so that the solution can be found him daddy's money? give dad his money to can we continue the so and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debate this week. we a back in may. julia's capital,

a buddha, now 7500. that's the number of reports of keeping up in cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a press on the people who are going to be speaking to us, to the trying to figure out why the situation persist in a julia and what can be done about it's a slot right here with what we know when we talk about kid, nothing in a do or you might go back to the 2 book goals and you will actually one of them. it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you that did that? yeah, in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes, as you miss do you of the suggest in 9 julia. i do come to protest us. they

just got yours to d sunday. solve for 3 years. we spent 3 is 4 day on we, i just please. well, we shall pause and we was to come back to see our parent. and is that up to us that we be listening or this. then we start scanning and we just say is we start quality and he job. yeah, i've tried that. we just spent 2 years or 32 years. and we just do. we don't want the salon again. we want to come back to christine. yeah. and they, they just tell us that they gave us 3 days later, they want to kill us or something like that. and we see is we said that we, we died please then and they just, these was 3 days of died. 3, just have that 3. this we are just sitting down to canon crying that they were for my kid was and i want us 5 people just call me out. as you'll see that the will not

be increasing. they'll just follow the most of them. and is that 3 in the day of the 2 years, 3 years, and we just really useful. i'm did, did them, does that get to my the i'm on us. we just eating on was the full 6 months. yeah. so you were captured for 3 years. that's obviously a very long time with stuff i you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by the bulk of around. they have some very incredible mutants ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup to is what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice, i pay off when my it gets and i and to when i enter. so does this in the window or through my to my dad then i saw someone uh planned the my did. so do i way out in black. lots uh, looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of

them. yeah. got it. in 18. 47. we spend the whole night. they have 3. you can do add. yeah. work in between. be here on there, so i'm usually when brand there, so i had them x in uh about one of the cost if they're watching the news. i bought this guy about to use uh, comedy. so it says that uh, the 5th uh you'll see several $150000.00. so i had one of them same size and from there i just went to head back it in there for some from there, the to become fast somehow for me. so i've been with them for with a 15 days because investigation is between life and date. and the way i just, that's enough. i found some by 500000000 web ex end of that i. i said that i don't have it. i don't know if my family is having the 100000000 that they coordinate. it says that it doesn't look like money. ok, we dallas lowe, we,

i assume you coming back to my pharmacy. so but with for the s i d n, i got free back on hand out, but all i understand with them is that some need money. now let me, let me ask doctor, ask me this question and i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course, the situation that we're talking about getting the julia is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was keeping up on news, a friend or a friend of a friend. you know ne julian ok. so you're saying no, no, julian has been unaffected. yeah, but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like, where does that disparity come from when they decide to in the case of kidnappers support. awesome. it has started likely as a conflict between high dis, i'm thomas,

which is normally a, during the harvest. but at the time it's continue to grow the around 20012002 of 2003. i had reported the praises or the position in laguna, a position of pumps among the house on i'm on the fly. me. i know who was the house and the full i knew full audience when not somebody that with need to find uh the for line. yeah. the hi, this and the house is a tribe that has been mixed up by religion. how does mostly the full i need my guns and during the dry season they move from one place to another dealer. then this evening they move from one place to another. ok, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me the stats are conflicted because of grazing lands because of drought. but how does that then become kidnapping when it let time became kidnapping? because of the so many issues i can outline the few lack of social justice to the connection among our students, the person that

a story in ability to of the tried to send an institution to have a kind of responsibility. so those are responsibility. the issues of managing the grades and months, both tradition and the personalities or in a lead us. they started selling those grades in the concept, grades a lunch to the promise. so how does have no identity? did you just have something that did i become so collapsed because of the level of corruption. okay. is solution nicolle roshan and so on us. okay, so just to i've made jeannette, let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history. but i think we get the gist of it and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that. obviously when we're talking about could not be, you'd expect to find to put a uniform police officer here. we actually had one and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that it was a debate they chose not to participate. regardless of that, you still depend on the police offices, halima,

and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what it was, the 1st thing that you did. sorry, i know this is a very difficult topic because people, i don't think that so the dyslexia to have gone there to to rescue the team. my oldest is awesome. go down to katrina, to run search for in search of my sister. when they get into found that found out that she's not among the people to rescue the ones in such a high in the much. what is the hosp to, to try give the victim endorsement to be ready for you to be among them. so we're punitive and praying to go to show the direction where she is. i think it was 2 days later i they could not pass called her husband until that i use.

so is the presence of lunch. he said, yes, it's a go to your wi fi, your child is on the look up to read this. so at this point, have they given you any indication of what they want in return for them? no, no. they've just said we have them nothing else. yes, it was meant to ask, but 2 weeks, the code the front of the call just as this is what the one from the government the government should release the people for them. if the people they're going to free people for us. the next call again is that's decided to monday for us. so the 100000000 unfortunately days was week to us perfectly. don't get the amount those plus the video on the official media. how do a flogging them my treating them in the bush. all of the shots and

crying on the nest in the lead off come up. i said he's given the government's us with that you've the don't come to give them what they want, but they're going to slow to all of them. so we don't have any needs, we don't have an ocean dodge, we have to call all the family members for us to form a group informing group phyllis, good to meet at the means of transportation for their products. so when we, when we met them, we'll ask please, this is what the new procedure doing is. the government is to be working on, on the remaining victim. and you say you're watching the government is walk in is in that on this new way. i know happy about this. okay, so i'll come back to you so that we know how the story was resolved. but before we go too far, i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah. why of people. so there being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long?

we're talking about 10 years since how well there was sticking. the bottom line is money. it's the money making. venture is a criminal enterprise and it's extremely to create to, for those they're engaged in it. yeah, but it's not easy, is it because you have to walk somebody in the middle of the night and to an unknown destination, you need people to keep them there. you need to feed these people wherever you're getting the funding from. well, the funding, don't forget that is an ongoing enterprise. so for example, you this, that small undergraduate into a bigger groups. and the more the got the victims, the more money to make. just like she said, if for example, they have 10 presidents and come tv and the gets that may be 10 medium each. that's a $100000000.00, a huge amount of money we've that they can use to per promo arms. we've that so they can use to recruit more kidnappers into definitely into default. and we've had to kind of get more people here. let me come back to dr. mit here because when you

look at how dia, the situation is, is at the moment, would you say that it's the inability of the politicians, or is it the inability of the police to get down to the bottom of this? none of these guys is a folder in their parents on, on there for parents on own and everybody's what i say everybody, including myself on all the institutions that you can name the security is additions, most of these guys. so the question is, what have we been doing that most of them all the internally, they're not up to 3000 number. yes, of course you know exactly what behind it. those who are cutting the ups. but because of the infiltration of ability of the government to do that, i think because of the level of caution and negligence, because of the intent of support is because of the escrow for those elements. because of the lack of the understanding of the community, the issue of security is not that as far as which of the government in any sort that supposedly to

a fully the security person and what right just to i also kind of so and so on. and so forth, would you because the criminals are taking advantage of the divided mindset and invited institution in the past 50. but we have, let me ask the stuff here question just so you know, you want to see something. i'll come back to you and talk to maybe a saying that the people who do these things, they are known, they live in the same villages as us. they are all family members. they are friends of friends. do you know who was behind your kid? nothing. and have they been brought to just i don't know anybody, but most of the problem of the can nothing that is happening. when that happened and at home daddy's informed us, some could be a movie on of but nibble's some could be for the for, for sofa issue of business or something as maybe they might need something from you . in my own case, i see it. all right. let me ask color here because your case was international. you publicized everybody around the globe was trying to find the 2 book goals,

but there are still some who have been held in captivity despite what's the government did. and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not you've. i'm to access to them for oh, i see. so that's do day for 10 is have to know this to day and they will be the woman to these all assist us because he's painful for us have to now if i remember i'm to clients, i do know where the uh, where that is to i deal with i knew he had a woman is talking about them, i can do this the spin for, for me. do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i think so. okay. so just to let me come back to you because it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, right? because when does it stop? i mean, i know there's a lawyer in this country that binds payments over run some. but what does the

family to do in the loved one has been taken? i think is quite the human to criminalize run some payments, not on the heels that the security agencies are slow. right, and 2 factors are responsible essentially for white kid not being for us on the striving and 19. and i think we need to get the conversation very correctly. number one is the fact that 9 julia is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you're a clever kid now, but not a digital currency. yes. in 2023. it don't cost base transaction to the about 52 percent. now what happened is because of the government on the relevant authorities as the meat investments in digital banking infrastructure. now, once you, you caught the sauce. once you ensure that the economy, the use of caution that companies reduce it at various minimum, the business will be to create a variable. because no keep nobody wants to take money by, by wire,

by bank transfer or anything because it will be a trip. so, so long that this cash in the society, the issue of keep not being is no good any we soon. all right, now the last time we still have lima, we were asking about what your family did in order to get to your sister. and you tell me that you will eventually be able to raise the around some. what impact did that have on on you'll find me a surprise. so hard never to raise the price of one for the protest. we were begging the government please. the address of the people, though, we don't have that in mind. uh asking for go by should try and do something please . the okay, the federal care wish you go that don't get back to us. we went, there was no call, nothing, nothing. we didn't hear anything from them to have cut out was

think going to several months different months. well, so this is a very long process that you're going back and forth, not really knowing what's going to happen. so how did you eventually get to a system back to mercedes by god degrees without being any run some that's good. i don't know that is between them and the government. so halima the telling us the story of her family, but i'm just curious to hear from the people at the back. you know, how has keeps up being affected. you guys in your villages in your homestead? let me hear from some people at the back. please. i am leaving maybe later before 2018 is duties in day one, but we are staying now with joe. it's l. i see it a because you know, i'd village with dive save. most of some people know even may nibble's, who says blue dies banking up, they will go, sees these e, sorry,

all those people have been kidnapped in your family. yes. basic and that my family . thank you, my uncle, full. izzy. it lacks, let's see. in the flash, yes, we have to swing and loads. you know, i'd be nice. okay. does anybody else have a similar experience? are you able to go back to your villages and fuel? say no. i can screw up to my village and feel c t a. now we get it re, n, you a go every, the visit, i used to feel safe because that a lot of military personnel here, that's why, but in the village, most of the places and let's see. so we're talking about here, the economic impact and now psychological impact. and i wanted to ask you how, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released . would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question. yes, i'm to scam because this to call me to our place. he's the vocal. how to up to now

. sometimes a confused to at home safe. because i'm of the, if i have one that just should do, i did up to now about my suicide guns. if we get to the o as fluid you know was and so time we can get food to eat that them, that we are in custody. these one want we do it for this on you what and some of the food that we i get to me to do it when these people up to now does to i was do a few days as well. so as we were speaking, i noticed that it's very difficult for you to express yourself when it comes to this is the government or for any support, it's sold to your family and your sister after the fact. no, not at all. okay, let me ask you more stuff with the same question because, you know, being taken from your home, that's something very, very personal. what have you done to sort of come back to full psychological health if you have i don't have that to be dad, was that with a trauma?

and when i come back i was to be in the hospital. and even while coming out of the hospital, i still have a lot of a discussions or a lot of things for them. my family, especially id my wife. she says that i see so so, so what which i don't know why you've been saying that. so without the full force, i was at the high, high totes, are 5 types of 5 psychological problem for the purpose of that get nothing because the, the kind of a to say, so in devilish had. but in that, in that bush that says the 5 to i wouldn't be, has he been for different that freeze or wishing me or someone who made me saying that he's praying for my dad? i am not waiting for him to have such kind of chrome. i that a course in my life. yeah. doctor i've made when will stuff i speaking here you are shaking your head and obviously these are rooms that you be privy to because you no

longer do this, but you want to go see a thing. the release of these people, how difficult is it for the families who it is quite difficult because i can see that in 11 years old they have, i was able to conduct 84 negotiations. i only succeeded to one when you say succeed, what does success look like in that field? i was able to facilitate the process for leasing 35 people at this time, but a detour to attend phil. all right, no, we've been talking about kid. nothing but i haven't mentioned yet. the cost of life yet is also very high. it's estimated that for every one kid not being attempt, there is one desk that follows it. so let me hear a few most solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in order for this to become a problem of the past? so that night julia is no longer dealing with this. i see your hand up that was top

. payne did. i'm some complete to me. it keeps people tired. no money nor around, so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution couldn't be filed if not. so how much are we going to spinning the paintings? i'm so long. some people who paid on the community. okay. do i see joshua's hand up? i think he wants to respond to this. and most of the let me come to you 1st. you say, you know what, in order to ease a button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that. because as a product you, people are taking money to this uh, keep now for us just get nothing with nothing. but uh daddy see we can try you to this uh, this entered in mountain view. uh. and if any one or a victim into a 100 kids enough, us lucky's life at the government should come,

i would buy confed, stating that family at least actually lives with a minimum of at least a 5000000 because we have money is better to use them by fee and the, the board if i'm a new of the big gym, so when does that less? because him daddy's money. give dad his money to kill him with continual. uh okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you are leaning towards that. how do you my, let me come to you before i finish? joshua told me what he said. it's a note to me that i'm some of the going to give the family will live, bring back the person to kill. steve can bring him back. but to looking at the people that they use to keep looking at the situation without the flight, then i do don't want you know, that people way into is better. we do feed around. so down to take it as one mean as limited time. i was good enough, but i did. this is into position that that would not come back because left spend

off my live in the desk comes to the end. this was done me so i wouldn't come back, but i do money. they will give to my family for probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person just industry to give the funding to the last one is the burden of the family. like now that didn't shield you, you came back to your family or you're not providing for your family, but it was the government called to provide for the families that i believe your you don't know what government is do you? it stopped actually. yeah. was much and as to when he is go you i do see a new way to stop this. keep nothing footboards, lead the government in order with disabilities 6, that is motor id. to do the work by step in this, i could not be in the make it a way of getting money that make it as the will 546 because that is 46. now in the security set, to remind you that let me,

let me close this up with just show because we're hearing of us me some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another. final thoughts um for you to say stop payment of rent. so it is be on where its because once um your, your 5 though your mother or really just keeping up your sense of judgment is automatically impaired. you're not thinking about what the government is saying. what comes to your mind is how do i get my religion out? so i'm not sure anybody kind of relates we, there's a lot that sees that if you p run some, yes, up your library for 50 a do it to him because it will make sense because that's not an ideal situation. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that russ some payment is reduced, it cannot be stopped. so for you to and not to law by coming by saying ok, it's federal need for each for us on the fees. come on sense for me. you. all right, so we asked what sounded like a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem

of kids not being here in a julia very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that myself would love to hear from you, but for now. thank you all for watching the the, the,

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