yes, i was what seeing closely all the to bring you the story behind the news. we ruled about unbiased information all 3 months. the this week on the 77 percent street debate may nibble to says below that, sorry, all those people have been kidnapped in your family. he is a 16 that my family keep it, keep people tired. no more. you know that i'm so busy the cup to stop a tell me that cannot be a solution. so you you think that it's ok for people to get mad at just so that's a solution can be found him daddy's money. give dad is money to can we continue the so and welcome back

to the 77 percent st debates this week. we a back in may. julia's capital, a buddha, now 7500. that's the number of reports of keeping up in cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a pressing the people who are going to be speaking to us to be trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it's a start right here with how well i know when we talk about could nothing in a do where you might go back to the to book goes and you will actually one of them . it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you that did that? yeah. in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes, as you miss do you or do you suggest in mind julia,

i do come to protest us. they just got yours to d sunday. solve for 3 years. we spent 3 is 4 day on we, i just please. well, we have pause and we was to come back to see our parent. and is that up to us that we be listening or this. then we start scanning, and we just say is we start quality and the job here of that that we just spent 2 years or 32 years. and we just do. we don't want the salon again. we want to come back to christine. yeah. and they, they just tell us that they give us 3 dis, wait either $1.00 to $2.00 laws or something like that. and we see as we said that we, we diagnose these things and they just use those 3 days of time. we just have that 3 days, we are just sitting down to clients that they were for my kid was and i want us 5

people just call me i would just say that they would not be increasing. they would just follow the most of them. and is that 3 in the day of the 2 years, 3 years and we just really useful and did, did them? does that get to my the i'm on us. we just eating on what was the full 6 months? yeah. so you were captured for 3 years. that's obviously a very long time was stuff you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by bulk of around they have some very incredible mutants ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup does what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice. uh, pay off when my it gets and i and when i enter, so does this in the window or through my to my toilet, then i saw someone uh plain view. my did so do i way out in black. lots uh,

looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of them there. i got it in 18. 47. we spend the whole night. they have 3. you can do add. yeah. work in between. be here and there. so let me do in britain there. so i had them ex, in uh about one of the cost is there. what is the news about this guy about to use uh, comedy. so it says that uh, the 5th uh, dual c $750000.00. so i had one of them, same size and from there just went ahead back in there for some from there to, to become fast somehow for me. so i've been with them for with uh, 15 days uh, because uh, investigation is between life and date. and the address actually not far from from a 500000000. well accident of that i,

i said that i don't have it. i don't know if my family is, i mean the 100000000 debt to equity says that the debt looks like money. ok, we dealt with. no, we assume you coming back to my pharmacy. so but with for the s i d n, i got free back on hand out, but all i understand with them it is those that some need money. now let me, let me ask doctor, ask me this question and i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course the situation that we're talking about getting the julia is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was keeping up on news, a friend or a friend of a friend. you know ne julian ok. so you're saying no, ne julian has been unaffected. yeah, but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like, where does that disparity come from when they decide to, in the case of kidnappers support?

so it just started lightly as a conflict between hy, this i'm promise, which is normally during the harvest. but at the time, it's continue to grow the around 200120022003. i had reported the praises or the position in the position of pumps among the house on i'm on the fly me. i know what the house the and the full i knew full audience when not somebody that with night to find uh the for line. yeah. the hi. this. and the house is a tribe that has been mixed up by religion. how just mostly the full, i need my guns. and during the dry season they moved from one place to another daughter. then this evening they moved from one place to another. ok, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me they start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drought. but how does that then become kidnapping when it last time you can keep nothing because of the so many issues i can outline the few lack of social justice to corruption among

a security person in a story in a blink to him, to try to send an institutions to harbor kind of responsibility. so those are responsibility. the issues of managing their grades and months, both tried to show in the personalities or in the latest. they started sending those grades in the concept, grades a lunch to the promise. so how does have no identity, did you just as something i did, i become so collapsed because of the level of corruption, ok, instructional portion and so on us. okay, so just to i've made that let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history. but i think we get the gist of it and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that. obviously when we're talking about kid, nothing, you'd expect to find a put a uniformed police officer here. we actually had one. and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that, it was

a debate. they chose not to participate, regardless of that, you still depend on the police officers, halima, and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what it was, the 1st thing that you did. sorry, i know this is a very difficult topic because people, i don't think that so the dyslexia to have gone there to to rescue the team. my older son task and go down to katrina to run search for in search of my sister when they get into found that found out that she's not how long to put a risk. you the ones in such of high in the much what is the hosp to, to, to give the victim and doesn't to anybody who should be among them. so we're punitive and praying to go to show the direction where she is. i think it was

2 days later i or they could not pass called her husband until that i use. so is the presence of lunch. he said, yes, it's a go to your wi fi, your child is on the look up to at this. so at this point, have they given you any indication of what they want in return for them? no, no. they've just said we have them nothing else. yes, yes. it was meant to ask, but 2 weeks, the code. the fact the call just as this is what the one from the government the government should release the people for them. if the people that went to free people for us, the next call again, is that's decided to monday for us. so the 100000000. unfortunately, these was quick to us perfectly, don't get the amount those positive is due on the official media. how do

a slug in them my treating them in the bush, all of the shots and crying on the nest in the lead off come up. i said he's given the government's us would. it's that you've the don't come to give them what the ones that they're going to slow to all of them. so we don't have any needs. we don't have any option dodge, we have to call all the family members for us to form a group informing group, phyllis, god, i mean it's the means of transportation for the products. so when we, when we met them, we'll ask please, this is what the procedure doing is the government is to be working on, on the remaining victims. and you say you're watching the government is walk in is in the on this new way. i know happy about this. okay, so i'll come back to you so that we know how the story was resolved. but before we go too far, i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah.

why of people. so there being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long? we're talking about 10 years since how well there was sticking. the bottom line is money. it's the money making. venture is a criminal enterprise and it's extremely to create to, for those they're engaged in it. yeah, but it's not easy. is it because you have to walk somebody in the middle of the night and to an unknown destination? you need people to keep them there. you need to feed these people. where are they getting the funding from? well, the funding, don't forget that is an ongoing enterprise. so for example, you the steps small undergraduate into a bigger groups and the more the got the victims, the more money to make. just like she said, if for example, they have 10 presidents and come tv and the gets that may be tend to be on each of the 100 me to and as a huge amount of money we that they can use for chrome or arms. and we've that so they can use to recruit more kidnappers into definitely into default. and we'd like

to kind of get more people here. let me come back to dr. mit here because when you look at how dia, the situation is, is at the moment, would you say that it's the inability of the politicians, or is it the inability of the police to get down to the bottom of this? none of these guys is a folder in their parents on, on there for parents on, on, on everybody's what i say, everybody, including myself on all the institutions that you can name the security is additions, most of these guys. so the question is, what have we been doing that most of them all the internally, they're not up to 3000 number. yes, of course you know exactly what behind it. those who are cutting the ups. but because of the infiltration of ability of the government to do that, i think because of the level of crushing, a negligence because of an incentive subject is because of the us call for those elements. because of the lack of the understanding of the community. the issue of

security is not that as well. so we need to have the governmental and he said that is supposed to lead to a fully the security person who are trying to secure or to kind of so on, so on and so forth would because the criminals are taking advantage of the divided mindset and invited to institution that trustworthy but we have, let me ask with stuff here. question just so i know you want to see something. i'll come back to you and talk to i make a saying that the people who do these things, they are known, they live in the same villages as us. they are all family members. they are friends of friends. do you know who was behind your kid? nothing and have they've been brought to just i don't know anybody, but most of the problem of the can nothing that is happening. do one that teresa happening at home daddy's informed us some could be a movie on a nearby. some could be for the, for, for a sofa issue of business or something as maybe they might need something from you. in my own case, i see it. all right,

let me ask cola here because your case was international. you publicize everybody around the globe was trying to find the 2 book goals, but there are still some who will have been held in captivity despite what the government did. and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not. you've, i'm to add to them for all us use does do day for 10 is have to know this to day and do we have begging the woman or to reduce or assist us because he's painful for us have to now if i remember i'm to clients i do know where the uh, where that is to i and the way i knew he had a woman is talking about them. i can do this the spin for, for me. do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i can. so okay, so just to let me come back to you because it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, right? because when does it stop?

i mean, i know there's a lawyer in this country that binds payments over on some. but what does the family to do in the loved one has been taken, i think is quite in human, to criminalize run some payments on the heels that the security agencies slow. right on. 2 factors are responsible, especially for white kid not being for us on the striving and 19 i think we need to get the conversation very correctly. number one is the fact that 9 sure is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you're a clever kid now, but not a digital currency. yes. in 2023 doing cost based transaction with about 52 percent. now what happened is because the government on the relevant authorities, as the meat investments in digital banking infrastructure. now, once you, you caught the sauce. once you ensure that the economy, the use of caution to companies reduce it better. as minimum,

the business won't be the creative anymore, because not keeping up. i want to take money by, by wire, by bank transfer, anything because it'll be a trip so long that this cash in the society. the issue of keeping up being is not going any. we soon right now the last time we still have lima, we were asking about what your family did in order to get your sister. and you tell me that you will eventually able to raise around some, what impact that have on, on your family. a surprise. so hard right number to raise the right. so one for the protest we were begging the government please. the address of the people that we don't have the amanda asking for. government should try and do something please. the okay, the federal care wish you go that don't get back to us. we rent there was no call, nothing, nothing. we didn't hear anything from them to have cut out was

think going to several months different months. well, so this is a very long process that you're going back and forth, not really knowing what's going to happen. so how did you eventually get to your system back to mercedes by good news without being any run. so that's good. i don't know. that is between them and the government. so how lima, the telling us the story of her family. but i'm just curious to hear from the people at the back. you know, how has keeps up being affected. you guys in your villages in your homestead, let me hear from some people at the back please. i am leaving maybe later before. 2018 is duties in bank one, but we are staying now if we jo, it's l i c a. because you know, i'd village where dive save. most of some people know even may nibble see says, blue dies banking up doing well. go sees these e,

sorry. all those people have been kidnapped in your family is basic and that my family. thank you. my uncle, full, izzy. it lacks. let's see. in the plan. yes, we are assisting a lot so you know, i'd be lead. okay. does anybody else have a similar experience? are you able to go back to your villages and feel safe? no, i can go up to my village and feel c t a. now we get it re n, you a go every this. it used to feel safe because that a lot of military personnel here that's why, but in the village, most of the places and let's see. so we're talking about here, the economic impact and now psychological impact. and i wanted to ask you how, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released . would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question? yes, i'm to scam because this to call me to our campus. he's the vocal. how to up to now

. sometimes a confused stay at home safe because i'm of the if i have one that just should do and do up to now about my suicide. because if we get to the o s flow, you know was and so time we can get food to eat that them, that we are in custody. these one want, we do it for this on you. what and some of the food that we, i get to me to do it when these people up to now does to i was in a few days as well. so as we were speaking, i noticed that it's very difficult for you to express yourself when it comes to this. does the government offer any support? it's sold to your family and your sister after the fact? no. not at all. okay, let me ask you more stuff with the same question because, you know, being taken from your home, that's something very, very personal. what have you done to sort of come back to full psychological health

if you have during the day to be there, it was to attempt trauma. and when i come back i was to be in the hospital. and even while coming out of the hospital, i still have a lot of a discussions or a lot of things for them. my family, especially id my wife. she says that i see so so, so what, which i don't know i, you've been saying that so would that for, for us i was had to high, high thoughts or fight and come so fast. i close you kind of problem for the purpose of that get nothing because the kind of a to say so in that lynch, i had the in that, in that bush that says the 5 to i wouldn't be has he been for different that freeze or wish me or someone who made me saying that he's praying for my dad. i am not waiting for him to have so kind of chrome i that tag cause in my life. yeah. doctor,

i've made when will stuff i speaking here. you're shaking your head and obviously these a rooms that you be privy to because you no longer do this, but you want to go see a thing the release of these people. how difficult is it for the families who it is quite difficult because i can see that in 11 years old they have, i was able to conduct 84 negotiations and i only succeeded one when you say succeed, what does success look like in that field? i was able to facilitate the process up for a lease in 35 people at this time, but it to, to read, to attend the federal. all right, now we, we've been talking about kids, nothing, but i haven't mentioned yet. the cost of life yet is also very high. it's estimated that for every one kid, nothing attempt. there is one desk that follows it. so let me hear a few more solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in

order for this to become a problem of the past? so that night julia is no longer dealing with this. and so your hand up, little as pain did. i'm some complete to the, to keep people tired. no money nor them, so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution can be filed. if not, so how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the community. okay. do i see joshua's hand up? i think he wants to respond to this and will stuff. uh, let me come to you 1st. he say, you know what, in order to use a button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that. because as a product you, people are taking money to this uh, keeping up with this kid. nothing would not. and but uh daddy see we can try you to this uh, this entered in mountain view. uh. and if any one or a victim in the handle,

if i could now 1st loved each life at the government should come, i would buy confed, stating that family at least actually lives with a minimum of a police, a 5000000 because we have money is better to use them by fee in the the board, if i'm a new of the big gym. so when does that less because it is money. give dad his money to kill him. would continue. uh okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you're leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish joshua. to me, what he said is a note to me. that awesome. they're going to give the family will live, bring back the person to kill. it can bring him back. but uh, looking at the people that they use to kids. look into deep tuition without flight . then you don't want to know that people have way into is better. we do feed around some down to take it as one mean as want me to time i was good enough,

but i did. this is in the position that that will not come back. because laughs fund off my live in the desk comes to the end, so that means i wouldn't come back, but i do money, they will give to my family probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person you're saying that you're deal and give the funding to the last one is the burden of the family. like no, they didn't. you'll you, you came back to your family or, you know, provide you for your family, but it was the government continue to provide for the family that i believe your, you don't know what government is, do you the best of that can be, yeah, was much in as to when he is go you, i do see a new way to stop this kidnapping footboards lead the government in order with disability 6 that is not ready to do their work by stopping this. i can not be in the make it, you will. if i get to money, they make it as the will $546.00 because that is $46.00. now, in the security set,

to remind you that let me, let me close this up with joshua because we're hearing of use me some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another. final thoughts um for you to say stop payment of run. so just be aware, it's because once your, your 5 though your mother or really to just keep now, your sense of judgement is too much because the impaired, you're not thinking about what the government is saying. what comes to your mind is how do i get my religious out? so i'm not sure anybody kind of relates we, there's a lot that sees that if you p run some, yes, up your library for 15, you do it to him because it will make sense because i've done an ideal situation. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that run some payment is reduced. it cannot be stopped. so for you to a not to low by coming by saying ok, it's for the need for each for us on the feeds come on sense for me. you. all right, so we asked what sounded like

a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem of kids not being here and they do have very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that myself would love to hear from you, but for now. thank you all for watching the, the, the

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