the cause, if we lose too much of the all wrong, we mess things up. we're seeing brain damage. so let's stop this self sabotage, humans and multitasking watch. now on youtube, v. w documentary the this week on the 77 percent street debate, may i nibble to says, blow does. sorry, all those people have been kidnapped in your family is a 60 now my family keep it, keep people tired. no more, you know around. so that be the help to stop a tell me that cannot be a solution. so you you think that it's ok for people to get mad at just so that the solution can be found? yeah, it is. my dad is money to can we continue the

hello and welcome back to the 77 percent st debates this week. we a back in may do yes, capital a good job. now, 7500. that's the number of reports of keeping up in cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a pressing the people who are going to be speaking to us to be trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it? let's start right here with what i know when we talk about kid, nothing in a do or you might go back to the to book goes and you will actually one of them. it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you that did at the i in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes to use do you or do you suggest in 90 area and do come to protest us,

they just got yours to d sunday software 3. if we spend 3 is for there on we, i just please. well, we have pause and we was to come back to see our parent. and is that up to us that we be listening or this? then we start scabies and we just say is we start quality and he job? yeah, i've tried that. we just spent 2 years or 32 years. and we just do. we don't want the salon again. we want to come back to kingston. yeah. and they, they just tell us that they give us 3 days later they want to, to us or something like that. and we see is we said that we, we diagnose please then and they just use those 3 days of time. we just have that 3 this we, i just sitting down to clients that they were for my kid was and i want us 5 people

just call me out. they just said that they would not be increasing. they would just follow the most of them. and is that 3 in the day of the 2 years, 3 years and we just really useful and did, did them? does that get to my the i'm on us. we just eating on what was the full 6 months? yeah. so you were captured for 3 years. that's obviously a very long time with stuff like you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by bulk of around they have some very incredible mutant ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup does what and what happened to you? when d, i come back into nice. i pay off when my gets and i and when i enter, so does this in the window or through my to my products, then i saw someone uh, planned to be my did so do i way out in black lots uh,

looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of them that got it in 18. 47. we spend the whole night very high, tre can do add. yeah. work in between. be here and there. so let me do in britain there. so i had them ex, in uh about one of the coverage is there. what is the news about this guy about to use uh, comedy. so it says that uh, the 5th uh you'll see several $150000.00. so i had one of them, same size, and from there i just went to head back it in there for some from there to, to become fast somehow for me. so i've been with them for with 15 days because uh, investigation is between life and date. and the way i just actually enough, i found some by 500000000. well accident of that i,

i said that i don't have it. i don't know if my family is, i mean the 100000000 debt to equity says that the debt looks like money. do ok. we dallas know, we assume you coming back to him. i found it so. but with for the s i d n, i got free back on hand out, but all i understand with them or is those that some need money. now let me, let me ask dr. ask me this question and i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course the situation that we're talking about here and they, julia, is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was keeping up on news, a friend or a friend of a friend. you know ne julian ok. so you're saying no, ne julian has been unaffected. yeah, but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like, where does that disparity come from when they decided to, in the case of the kidnappers, for us. so it has started likely as

a conflict between hy, this i promise, which is normally during the harvest. but at a later time, it's continue to grow the around 2001200282003. i reported the praises or the position in the position of pumps among the house on i'm on the flight. i know it was the house, the and the for line you for our audience, we're not familiar with an agency frame. uh the for line. yeah. the highest and the house is a tribe that has been mixed up by religion. how does mostly the full, i need my guns and during the dry season they move from one place to another dealer any season they move from one place to another. ok, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me they start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drought. but how does that then become kidnapping when it let time became connecting because of that of so many issues i can outlined a few lack of social justice to the corruption among

a security person in the story, in absolute terms of tried to send an institution to have a kind of responsibility a so those are responsibility. the issues of managing their grades and months, both try to show in the personalities or in a lead us. they started selling those grades in the cause, grades a lunch to the promise. so how does have no identity, did you just have something that did i become so collapsed because of the level of corruption, okay. is solution impulsion and so on us. okay, so just the, let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history, but i think we get the gist of it and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that. obviously when we're talking about kid, nothing, you'd expect to find a put a uniform police officer here. we actually had one, and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that, it was

a debate. they chose not to participate, regardless of that, you still depend on the police offices, halima, and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what it was, the 1st thing that you did. sorry, i know this is a very difficult topic because people, i don't think that so the dyslexia to have gone there to to rescue the team. my oldest is awesome. go down to katrina to run special in search of my sister when they get a default that found out that she's not how long to put a risk to the ones in such a high in the much. what is the hosp to, to try give the victim endorsement to the way he should be among them. so we're punitive and praying to go to show the direction where she is. i think it was

2 days later i or they could not pass called house event until that i use. so is a person so i was a bunch. he said, yes, it's i don't you your wi fi, your child is on the look up to at this. so at this point, have they given you any indication of what they want in return for them? no, no. they've just said we have them nothing else. yes, it was meant to ask, but 2 weeks, the code, the fact they're called just as this is what the one from the government the government should release the people for them. if the people they're going to free people for us, the next call again is that's decided to monday for us. so the 100000000. unfortunately these was quick to us perfectly. don't get the amount those plus the video on the official media. how do

a flogging them my treating them in the bush, all of the shots and crying on the nest in their leader, come up. i said he's given the government is this would it that you've the don't come to give them what the ones that they're going to slow to all of them. so we don't have any needs. we don't have any option dodge, we have to call all the family members for us to form a group informing group. phyllis, good to meet at the means of transportation for their products. so we, we have one that we missed them. we'll ask please. this is what the new procedure during the government is to be working on on the remaining victims. and you say you're watching the government is walk in is in that on this new way. i know happy about this. okay, so i'll come back to you so that we know how the story was resolved, but before we go too far, i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah.

why people? so data being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long? we're talking about 10 years since how well there was sticking. the bottom line is money. it's the money making. venture is a criminal enterprise and it's extremely decreasing for those they're engaging it. yeah. but it's not easy, is it because you have to walk somebody in the middle of the night until an unknown destination. you need people to keep them there. you need to feed these people. where are they getting the funding from? well, the funding, don't forget that is an ongoing enterprise. so for example, you the steps small undergraduate into a bigger groups and, and the more the got the victims, the more money to make. just like she said, if for example, they have 10 presidents and come tv on the gets maybe 10 medium each. that's a $100000000.00 amount of money. we that they can use to for chrome or arms with that so they can use to recruit more kidnappers. into definitely into default,

and we've had to kind of get more people here. let me come back to doctor admit here, because when you look at how dia, the situation is, is at the moment, would you say that it's the inability of the politicians? or is it the ability of the police to get down to the bottom of this? none of these guys is a folder in their parents on, on there for parents, i don't. and everybody's when i say everybody, including myself on all the institutions that you can name them as security is atrocious. most of these guys. so the question is, what have we been doing that most of them all the internally then or 12 to 3000 number. so yes, of course you know exactly what behind it, those who are cutting the ups. but because of the infiltration of ability of the government to do that, i think because of the level of caution and negligence, because of the intent of support is because of the escrow for those elements. because of the lack of the understanding of the community,

the issue of security is not that as well. so we need to have the government to have them. and he said that it supposedly to a fully the security person and who are trying to secure or to kind of so and so on and so forth. would you because the criminals are taking advantage of the divided mindset of the advisors institution that trustworthy. but we have, let me ask the stuff here, question just so i know you want to say something. i'll come back to you and talk to i make a saying that the people who do these things, they are known, they live in the same villages as us. they are all family members. they are friends of friends. do you know who was behind your kid? nothing and how they've been brought to just i don't know anybody, but what's the problem of the cannot seem that is happening. when that happened in at home, daddy sat informed us, some could be, i'm on be on no, but nibble's some could be for the for, for sofa issue of business or something as maybe they might need something from you . in my own case, i said, do all right,

let me as color here because your case was international. you publicize everybody around the globe was trying to find the 2 book goals, but there are still some who will have been held in captivity despite what the government did. and despite what the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not. you've, i'm to add to them for all us. this does do day for 10 is up to now this to day and they will be the woman to reduce or assist us to cause is painful for us have to now if i remember i'm to clients, i do know where the uh, where that is to the i and the way i knew he had a woman is talking about them again. and did this the spin for, for me, do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i think so. okay. uh so joshua, let me come back to you because it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, right? because when does it stop?

i mean, i know there's a lawyer in this country that binds payments over on some. but what does the family need to do with the loved one has been taken, i think is quite in human, to criminalize run some payments on the heels that the security agencies slow. right on. 2 factors are responsible, essentially for white kid not being for us on the striving and 19 i think we need to get the conversation very correctly. number one is the fact that mind you is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you're a clever kid now, but not a digital currency. yes. in 2023. doing uh, cost based transaction through the about 52 percent. now what happened is because the government, under relevant authorities like the meat investment in digital banking infrastructure. now, once you, you caught the sauce. once you ensure that the economy, the use of caution to companies reduce it better as minimum the business. so i'm

going to create a variable because no keep, nobody wants to take money by, by wire, by bank transfer or anything because it will be a trip. so, so long that this cash in the society, the issue of keeping up being is no going any. we soon right now the last time we still have lima, we were asking about what your family did in order to get to your sister. and you tell me that you will eventually able to raise the around some. what impact did that have on on you'll find me a surprise, so hard. whenever to raise the price of one for the protest, we were begging the government. please. the address of the people though, we don't have the amanda skin for go by should try and do something please. the okay, the federal care wish you go? that'll get back to us. we ran, there was no call nothing, nothing. we didn't hear anything from them to have cut out was

think going to several months different months. wow. so this is a very long process that you're going back and forth, not really knowing what's going to happen. so how did you eventually get to a system back to mercedes by categories without being any run. so that's good. i don't know that is between them and the government. so halima the telling us the story of her family, but i'm just curious to hear from the people at the back. you know, how has kids not being affected? you guys in your villages and you'll, homestead, let me hear from some people at the back, please. i am leaving maybe later before 2018 is duties in de columbus. we are staying now with joe. it's l. i see it a because you know, i'd village with dive save. most of some people know even may nibble see says, blue dies banking up. they will go, sees these e, sorry,

all those people have been kidnapped in your family is basic and that my family. thank you my uncle. full. izzy. it lacks. let's see. in the flash, yes, we have to swing and load. see now i'd be leads. okay. does anybody else have a similar experience? are you able to go back to your villages and feel safe? no, i can go up to my village and you'll see 40 a now will yet every n u a go everywhere, the seats. i used to feel safe because that a lot of me cheapest center here. that's what i bought in the village. most of the places and let's see. so we're talking about here, the economic impact and now psychological impact. and i wanted to ask you how, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released . would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question? yes, i'm to scan because this to call me to our campus. he's the vocal high up to now.

sometimes a confused stay at home safe because of the if i have one that goes to 2 and a up to now about my suicide guns. if we get to the o s floating was and so time we can get food to eat that them, that we are in custody. these one want we do it for this on you. what and some of the food that we, i get to me to do it when these people up to know the, to a student a few days as well. so as we were speaking, i noticed that it's very difficult for you to express yourself when it comes to this. the government offer any support at all to your family and use this to after the fact. no, not at all. okay, let me ask you most of the same question because, you know, being taken from your home, that's something very, very personal. what have you done to sort of come back to full psychological health

if you have uh, during the day to be there it was uh to a trauma. and uh, when i come back i was uh to be in the hospital and even while uh, coming out of the hospital, i used to have a lot of, uh, a discussions or a lot of things for them. my family, especially id my wife. she says that i see so so, so what, which i don't know why you didn't see it. so without the full force, i was at the high, high totes, are 5 types of 5 psychological problem for the purpose of that given asking because the kind of a to say, so in that pledge had. but in that, in that bush that says the fact i wouldn't be, has he been for different that freeze or wishing me or someone who made me saying that he's praying for my dad? i am not waiting for him to have so kind of chrome i that a goes in my life. yeah. doctor i've made when will stuff i speaking here. you're

shaking your head and obviously these a rooms that you be privy to because you no longer do this, but you want to go shaping the releases of these people. how difficult is it for the families who it is quite difficult because i can see that in 11 years old they have, i was able to conduct 84 negotiations. i only succeeded to one when you say succeed what the success looked like in that field. i was able to facilitate the process for leasing 35 people at this time, but the agent to enter the 10 federal. all right, now we've been talking about kidnapping, but i haven't mentioned yet. the cost of life yet is also very high. it's estimated that for every one keeps not being attempt. there is one desk that follows it. so let me hear a few more solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in

order for this to become a problem of the past? so that like julia is no longer dealing with this. and so your hand up that was top, payne did, i'm some complete to me. it keeps people tired, no money, nor around. so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. ok, so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad at just so that the solution can be filed if not so how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the community. okay. do i see joshua's hands up? i think he wants to respond to this and we'll stuff, uh, let me come to you 1st. you say, you know what, in order to ease the button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that because as a product you, people are taking money to this uh, keeping up with this keep nothing would not the end, but uh daddy see we can try you to this uh, this entered in mountain view. uh. and if any one or a victim into handled by

a kid now, if us lucky slave at the government should come, i would buy a confed stating that family at least actually lives with a minimum of a police, a 5000000 because we have money is better to use them by fi in the the board if i'm a new of the big gym. so when does that? let's because my dad, his money, give dad his money to kill him, would continue. uh okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you are leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish. joshua told me what he said. you say no to me. that also i'm going to give the family will it bring back the person that kills steve gone, but he came back. but uh, looking at the people that they used to keep looking deep situation without flight . then i didn't want to know that people i go into is better. we do feed around, so down to take it as one mean as want me to time i was getting enough,

but i did. this is into position that that will not come back because lives fund or for me i live in the desk comes to the end. so that means i wouldn't come back, but i do monday they will give to my family probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person just industry to give the funding to the last one is the burden of the family. like now that thing shows you, you care about your family or you're not providing for your family. the government calls in to provide for the families that i believe your, you don't know what government is doing. you the press the key. yeah. was much in as to when he is go you. i do see a new way to stop this. keep nothing footboards, lead the government in order with disabilities x that is motor id. to do the work by step in this, i could not be in the make it a way of getting money that make it as the will 546 because that is 46. now

in this security set, to remind you that let me, let me close this up with just show because we're hearing of us me some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another. final thoughts um for you to say stop payment of run. so it is beyond where it's because once your, your 5 though your mother or really to just kidnap your sense of judgment is automatically impaired. you're not thinking about what the government is saying. what comes to your mind is how do i get my religion out? so i'm not show anybody kind of relates we, there's a lot that sees that if you p run some, yes, up your library for 50 a do it to him because it will make sense because that's not an ideal situation. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that run some payment is reduced. it cannot be stopped. so for you to and not to law by coming by saying ok it's, i don't need for you to verify some. the fees come on sense for me. you. all right, so we asked what sounded like

a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem of kidnapping? hearing a julia very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that much. i would love to hear from you, but for now, thank you all for watching the the, the

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