but i didn't like the idea of getting such an old fashioned job and being stuck with dreams coming through, making money, having a son with not fulls and something starts december 13th on d, w. the this week on the 77 percent street debate may nibble to says below that, sorry, all those people have been kidnapped in your family. is they 60 now my family keep it, keep people tired. no more, you know around so, but you have to stop a tell me that cannot be a solution. so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad at just so that the solution can be found him daddy's money, give dad his money to can we continue the

so and welcome back to the 77 percent street debate this week. we a back in may. julia's capital, a buddha? now 7500. that's the number of reports of kidnapping cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a press on the people who are going to be speaking to us to be trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it's a start right here with how well i know when we talk about kid, nothing in they do or you might go back to the 2 book goals and you were actually one of them. it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you that did that? yeah. in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes you miss do you or do you suggest in 90

area and to come to protest us. they just got yours to d sunday. solve for 3. if we spend 3 is 4 day on we, i just please, well we have pause and we was to come back to see our parent and is that up to us that we be missing them or this. then we start scabies, and we just say is we start quality and the job here after that, we just spent 2 years or 32 years. and we just do. we don't want the salon, my guess. we want to call him back to cuz he says, yeah, and they, they just tell us that they gave us 3 days later. they want to kill us or something like that. and we say is we said that we, we died please then and they just, these was 3 days of died. 3, just have that 3. this we are just sitting down to canon crying that they will for my kid was. and i want us 5 people just call me out as you'll see that they'll will

not be increasing. they'll just follow the most of them. and is that 3 in the day of the 2 years, 3 years, and we just really useful. i'm did, did them, does that get to my the i'm on us. we just eating on what was the full 6 months. yeah. so you were captured for 3 years. that's obviously a very long time with stuff like you had a very different experience. she was obviously captured by bulk of around. they have some very incredible media tons ideal a geez, based on religion. do you know who your cup to is what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice. i pay off when my it gets and i and when i enter, so does this in dwindle through my to my products, then i saw some one uh plan b. my did so do out in black cloths uh,

looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they gotta do um about 18 of them that got in a k 47. we spend the whole night very high, tre can do add. yeah. work in between be here and there. so let me see when britain there so i had them ex, in uh about one of the cost is there. what is uh, the news about this guy about to use uh, comedy. so it says that uh, the 5th uh you'll see several $150000.00. so i had one of them same size and from there just went ahead back in there for some from there to, to become fast somehow for me. so i've been with them for with that 15 days because investigation is between life and date. and the way i just, that's enough. i found some of 500000000 web ex end of that i. i said that i don't

have it. i don't know if my family is having the 100000000 debt to equity. says that the debt looks like money. ok. we dallas lowe. we assume you coming back to me . i find that. so which for a s i d n, or i go to the bank comes in the house, but all i understand with them is love that some need money. let me, let me ask the doctor, ask me this question and i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course the situation that we're talking about here and they do, yeah, is not unique to these 2. as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was kidnapped or knows a friend or a friend of a friend. you know ne julian ok. so you're saying no, ne julian has been unaffected. yeah, but these are 2 very different motivations, right? it would seem like, where does that disparity come from when they decide to, in the case of the kidnappers, for us. so it has started likely as

a conflict between hy, this i promise which is normally of, during the harvest. but at a later time, it's continue to grow the around 200120022003. i reported the praises or the position in the position of pumps among the house on i'm on the friday and that was the house and the philosophy for our audience. we're not familiar with an agency frame. uh the for line. yeah, the height is and the house is a tripe that has been mixed up by religion. how does mostly the for letting me, my guns, and during the dry season, they move from one place to another dealer any season they move from one place to another. ok, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me they start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drugs. but how does that then become kid? nothing when it like i became kid. nothing because of the so many issues i can outlined a few lack of social justice to dakota option among

a security person that a story in our ability to of the tried to send an institution to have a kind of responsibility. so those are responsibility. the issues of managing their grades and months, both try to show in the personalities or in a lead us. they started selling those grades in the car gurus and lunch to the promise. so how does have no identity? did you just have something that did i become so crossed because of the level of corruption, okay. is through southern portion and so on us. okay, so just to i've made to that, let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history. but i think we get the gist of it and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that. obviously when we're talking about kid, nothing, you'd expect to find a put a uniform police officer here. we actually had one and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that it was

a debate they chose not to participate. regardless of that, you still depend on the police officers, halima, and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what it was, the 1st thing that you did. sorry, i know this is a very difficult topic. we called people, i don't think that so the dyslexia to have gone there to to rescue the team. my oldest is to us and go down to katrina to run search for in search of my sister when they get a default that found out that she's not among the people to rescue the ones in such of high in the much what is the hosp to to try give the victim endorsement to anybody who should be among them. so we're trying to, to bring to go to show the direction where she is. i think it was 2

days later i they could not pass called house vent until that i use. so is a person, so i was once he said, yes, it's a go to your wi fi you were told is on the look up to at this. so at this point, have they given you any indication of what they want in return for them? no, no, they've just said we have them nothing else. yes, yes. it was meant to ask, but 2 weeks, the code. the fact they're called just as this is what the one from the government the government should release the people for them. if the people that went to free people for us, the next call again, is that's decided to monday for us. so the 100000000. unfortunately these was quick to us perfectly. don't get the amount those plus the v do on the additional media. how do a plug in them?

my shooting them in the bush, all of the shots and crying on the nest in the lead off come up. i said he's given the government is this would it that if they don't come to give them what they want, but they're going to slow down all of them. so we don't have any needs. we don't have any option dodge, we have to call all the family members for us to form a group informing group fitness guided, meet at the means of transportation for products. so we, when we, when we met them, we'll ask please, this is what you said. you are doing you, the government is to be working on, on the remaining victims. and you say you're watching the government is walk in is in that on this new way. i know happy about this. okay, so i'll come back to you so that we know how the story was resolved, but before we go too far, i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah.

why people? so there being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long? we're talking about 10 years since how well there was sticking. the bottom line is money. it's the money making. venture is a criminal enterprise and it's extremely decreasing for those they're engaging it. yeah. but it's not easy, is it because you have to walk somebody in the middle of the night until an unknown destination. you need people to keep them there. you need to feed these people. where are they getting the funding from? well, the funding, don't forget that there's an ongoing enterprise. so for example, you this, that small undergraduate into bigger groups and, and more. yeah. got the victims, the more money to make. just like she said, if for example, they have 10 presence in cub tv on the gets that maybe 10 medium each, probably a $100000000.00, a huge amount of money will be that they can use it for chrome or arms with that. so they can use to recruit more kidnappers into definitely into default,

and we've had to kind of get more people here. um, let me come back to dr. mit here because when you look at how dia, the situation is, is at the moment, would you say that it's the inability of the politicians, or is it the inability of the police to get down to the bottom of this? none of these guys use a folder in their parents on, on the default settings on, on, on everybody's when i say everybody including myself on all the institutions that you can name them as security is additions, most of these guys. so the question is, what have we been doing that most of them all of them intently then, or 122-3000 number. yes, of course you know exactly what behind it. those who are cutting the ups. but because of the infiltration of ability of the government to do that, i think because of the level of caution and negligence, because of the intent of support is because of the escrow for those elements. because of the lack of the understanding of the community,

the issue of security is not that as well. so which of the government, you know, and he's not that is supposedly to or fully the security person and who are trying to secure or to kind of so on, so on and so forth. would you because the criminals are taking advantage of the divided mindset, advised intensive portion of the trustworthy. but we have, let me ask the stuff here. question just so i know you want to say something. i'll come back to you and talk to i make a saying that the people who do these things, they are known, they live in the same villages as us. they are all family members. they are friends of friends. do you know who was behind your kid? nothing and how they've been brought to just i don't know anybody, but most of the program of the can nothing that is happening. when that happened in at home daddy's informed us. some could be a movie on of but nibble's some could be for the for, for sofa issue of business or something as maybe they might need something from you . in my own case, i see it too. all right, let me ask cola here because your case was internationally publicized everybody

around the globe was trying to find the 2 book goals. but there are still some who will have been held in captivity despite what's the government did. and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not you've. i'm to add to them for oh, i see that's do day for 10 is i have to know this to day and they will be the woman or to reduce or assist us to cause he's painful for us have to now if i remember i'm to clients i do know where the uh, where that as to the i and the way i knew he had a woman is talking about them. i can do this the spin for, for me. do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes i do. and so and so just to let me come back to you because it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. right? because when does it stop?

i mean, i know there's a lawyer in this country that binds payments over on some. but what does the family to do in the loved one has been taken? uh, i think is quite in human, to criminalize run some payments on the hughes that. um the security agencies are slow right on. 2 factors are responsible, essentially for white kid not being for us on the striving and 19, and i think we need to get the conversation very correctly. number one is the fact that mind, you, uh, is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you could have a kid, napa, not a digital currency. yes. in 2023 doing cost base transaction with about 52 percent. now what happened is because the government on the relevant authorities, as the meat investments in digital banking infrastructure. now, once you, you caught the sauce once you ensure that the economy, the use of caution, that companies reduce it better as minimum the business. so i'm going to create

a variable because no keeping up, i want to take money by, by wire, by bank transfer or anything because it will be a trip. so, so long that this cash in the society, the issue of keeping up being is no going any we soon. all right, now the last time we still have lima, we were asking about what your family did in order to get to your sister. and you tell me that you will eventually be able to raise the around some. what impact did that have on on you'll find me a surprise. so hard whenever to raise the price on one for the protest, we were a big into government please. the address of the proven though, we don't have the amount uh asking for go by should try and do something please the okay, the federal care wish you go that don't get back to us. we rent there was no call nothing, nothing. we didn't hear anything from them to have cut out was

think going to several months, 7 months. wow. so this is a very long process that you're going back and forth, not really knowing what's going to happen. so how did you eventually get to a system back to mercedes by a good race without being any run some cars get i don't know that is between them and the government. so halima the telling us the story of her family, but i'm just curious to hear from the people at the back. you know, how has keeps up being affected. you guys in your villages in your homestead? let me hear from some people at the back. please. i am leaving maybe later before 2018 is duties in bank one, but we are staying help with jo. it's l i c a because you know i'd be large with have save most of some people. now, even my new boss who says blue dies banking up doing well. go sees these

e, sorry. all those people have been kidnapped in your family is basic and now my family . thank you my uncle, full. izzy. it lacks. let's see. in the flash. yes, we have to swing and load. see now ideally, okay, does anybody else have a similar experience? are you able to go back to your villages and feel safe? no, i can go up to my village and you'll see 40 a now will yet every n u a go everywhere, the seats. i used to feel safe because that a lot of me cheapest center here. that's what i bought in the village. most of the places and let's see. so we're talking about here the economic impact and now psychological impact. and i wanted to ask you how, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released . would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question? yes, i'm to scan because as to call me to our campus,

he's the vocal. how to up to now. sometimes a confused stay at home safe because of the if i have one that goes to 2 and a up to now about my suicide guns. if we get to the o s floating was and so time we can get food to eat. that them, that we are in because these 11 to we do it for this one, you what and some of the food that we, i get to me to do it when these people up to now does to i was in a few days as well. so as we were speaking, i notice that it's very difficult for you to express yourself when it comes to this . did the government offer any support at all to your family and your sister after the fact? no, not at all. ok, let me ask you most of the same question because you know, being taken from your home, that's something very, very personal. what have you done to sort of come back to full psychological health

if you have uh during tab it to be dad, it was uh to attend trauma. and uh, when i come back i was uh to be in the hospital and even while uh, coming out of the hospital, i used to have a lot of discussions or a lot of things for them. my family, especially id my wife. she says that i see so so, so what, which i don't know i, you've been saying that so with that for, for us, i was had to hi. hi. totes are fine. come so fast. i close you kind of problem with the purpose of that give nothing because the kind of a to say, so in that list i had, but in that, in that bush that says the 5 to i wouldn't be has the bin for the present that for you or wish me or someone who made me saying that he's praying for my dad. i am not waiting for him to have so kind of chrome. i that tankers in my life. yeah. doctor, i've made when will stuff i speaking here. you're shaking your head and obviously

these a rooms that you've been privy to because you no longer do this, but you want to go see a thing the release of these people. how difficult is it for the families who it is quite difficult because i can see it back in 11 years old. their buddy was able to conduct 84 negotiations and i only succeeded to one when you say succeed, what does success look like in that field? i was able to facilitate the process for leasing 35 people at this time, but uh, 80 toronto to filled off. all right, no, we, we've been talking about keep nothing, but i haven't mentioned yet. the cost of life yet is also very high. it's estimated that for every one keeping up being attempt, there is one desk that follows it. so let me hear a few more solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in order for this to become a problem of the past?

so that night julia is no longer dealing with this is so your hand up that was top pain did. i'm some complete to me. it keeps people tired, no money, nor around. so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. ok, so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution can be filed if not so how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the community. okay. do i see joshua's hands up? i think he wants to respond to this and we'll stuff, uh, let me come to you 1st. you say, you know what, in order to ease the button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that because as a product you, people are taking money to this kid now for us, this get nothing would not the end. but to daddy see, we continue to this uh, this entered in mountain view. uh, and in new run or a victim into handled by

a kid. now 1st loved each life at the government should come, i would buy confed, stating that family at least actually lives with a minimum of a police, a $5000000.00 because we have money is better to use them by fee. indeed the department do up to 15. so when does that less? because m dad his money? give dad his money to kill him, would continue. uh, okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you are leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish joshua. to me what he said is a note to me that also i'm going to give the family will live, bring back the person to kill his gun. but he came back. but uh, looking at the people that they used to kids look into deep tuition without flight . then i didn't. what do you know that people william true is better? we do feed around. so down to take it as one mean as limited time i was getting

enough, but i did. this is in the position that that would not come back because left spend off my live in the desk comes to the end. so that means i wouldn't come back, but i do money, they will give to my family probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person just industry to give the funding to the last one is the burden of the family. like now that didn't shield you. you came up to a family or you know, providing for your family. but what is the government called to provide for that family that i believe your, you don't know what government is, do you the stuff that key. yeah. was much and as to when he is go you. i do see a new way to stop this. keep nothing footboards, lead the government in order with disabilities x that is motor id. to do the work by step in this, i could not be in the make it a way of getting money that make it as the will 546 because that is 46. now

in the security set, to remind you that let me, let me close this up with just show because we're hearing of us me some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another. final thoughts um for you to say stop payment of run. so it is beyond where it's because once your, your 5 though your mother or really to just kidnap your sense of judgment is automatically impaired. you're not thinking about what the government is saying. what comes to your mind is how do i get my religion out? so i'm not show anybody kind of relates we, there's a lot that sees that if you p run some, yes, up your library for 50 a do it to him because it will make sense because i was on idea situation. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that run some payment is reduced . it cannot be stopped. so for you to and not to law by coming by saying ok, it's federal need for each for some. the fees come on sense for me. you all right, so we asked what sounded like

a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem of kidnapping? hearing a julia very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that myself would love to hear from you, but for now. thank you all for watching the the the

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