the, i'm afraid i'll never see him again. no, when, oh, you lost under the stops december 18th on dw, the this week on the 77 percent street debate may nibble to says below that, sorry, all those people have been kidnapped in your family. the basic and that my family keep it, keep people tired, no more, you know around. so they need the help to stop a tell me that cannot be a solution. so you, you think that it's ok for people to get mad at just so that the solution can be found him daddy's money, give dad his money to can we continue the so and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debate this week. we

a back in may. julia's capital, a buddha? now 7500. that's the number of reports of keeping up in cases in a period of one year in this country between june 2023 and july 2024 of us to be some very staggering statistics. the and of course behind every forget is a pressing the people who are going to be speaking to us, to the trying to figure out why the situation persist in they do. yeah. and what can be done about it? that's not right here with what i know when we talk about kid, nothing in a do or you might go back to the 2 book goals and you will actually one of them. it's been 10 years since you were abducted. do you mind telling us what happened to you that did that? yeah, in school these people just come on around the schools and they just tell us that that the so yes to use do you or do you suggest in 90 area and do comfortable test us?

they just got yours to d sunday. solve for 3 years. we spent 3 is 4 day on we, i just please. well we have pause and we was to come back to see our parent. and is that up to us that we be listening or this. then we start scabies, and we just say is we start quality and the job here of that that we just spent 2 years or 32 years. and we just see we don't want the salon again. we want to come back to christine. yeah. and they, they just tell us that they gave us 3 dis, wait either $1.00 to $2.00 laws or something like that. and we see as we said, that when we die, please then and they just use those 3 days of time. we just have that 3. this we are just sitting down to clients that they were for my kid was and i want us 5 people just call me out. they just said that they would not be increasing. they

would just follow the most of them. and is that 3 in the day of the 2 years, 3 years, and we just we these for them to and did them. does that get to my the i'm on us. we just eating on what was the full 6 months. yeah. so you were captured for 3 years. that's obviously a very long time with stuff like you had a very different experience. she was obviously accepted by bulk of around they have some very incredible militant ideologies based on religion. do you know who your cup does what and what happened to you, wendy? i come back into nice. i pay off when my gets and i and when i enter, so does this in the window or through my to my toilet, then i saw someone uh plain view. my did so do i way out in black. lots uh, looking like for lisa, but they provide their faces. uh and what they have to do um about 18 of

them that got it in a k 47. we spend the whole night today. hi drake. you do add yeah. work in between . be here on there. so let me see when britain there so i had them ex, in uh about one of the cost is there. what is the news about this guy about to use uh, comedy. so it says that uh, the 5th uh, the fee $750000.00. so i had one of them, same size and from there just went ahead back in there for some from there to become fast somehow for me. so i've been with them for with uh, 15 days. uh, because uh, investigation is between life and date. and the way i just fax enough uh from some of 500000000. well accent of that i, i said that i don't have it. i don't know if my final release, i've been the 100000000 debt to equity. it says that the deadline,

so it's money. do. okay. we dallas lowe, we assume you coming back to my pharmacy. so but with for the s i d, n i go to the bank comes in now, but all i understand with them is love that some need money. let me, let me ask uh doctor, ask me this question and i'm really sorry that you both went through that. but of course, the situation that we're talking about here and they do, yeah, is not you need to be as to, as a matter of fact, let me just see from our audience how many people here knew of someone who was kidnapped on news, a friend or a friend of a friend, you know named julian. ok. so you're saying no. ne julian has been unaffected. yeah . but these are 2 very different motivations, right. it would seem like, where does that disparity come from when they decided to in the case of kidnappers, for us? so, it just started lightly as a conflict between hy,

this i promise which is normally of, during the harvest. but at a later time, it's continue to go to the around 200120022003. i reported the praises or the position in laguna position of pumps among the house on i'm on the flight. i know it was the house and the philosophy for our audience. we're not familiar with major frame. uh the for line. yeah. the highest and the house is a tribe that has been mixed up by religion. how does mostly the full, i need my guns and during the dry season they move from one place to another dealer any season they move from one place to another. ok, so we are clear on who they are and now you're telling me they start to conflict because of grazing lands because of drugs. but how does that then become kid? nothing. when it looked i became kid. nothing because of the so many issues i can outline the few lack of social justice to the connection among

a security person in a story in a blink to of the try to send an institutions to have a kind of responsibility a so those are responsibility. the issues of managing their grades and months both tried to show in the personalities or in the latest. they started sending those grades in the concept, grades a lunch to the promise. so how does have no identity? did you just as something i did? i become so collapsed because of the level of corruption, ok, instructional portion and so on us. okay. so just to i've made that, let me just pause there because because it's a huge and very complicated history. but i think we get the gist of it. and you've talked about the security forces and their response to that. obviously when we're talking about kid, nothing, you'd expect to find a put a uniformed police officer here. we actually had one. and they actually came right up here to a venue. but at the very last minute when they had that it was a debate they chose not to participate. regardless of that,

you still depend on the police officers halima and one of your relatives was also keeping up. and i'm just trying to find out as a family when you hear the news, what it was, the 1st thing that you did. sorry, i know this is a very difficult topic because people, i don't think that so the dyslexia to have gone there to to rescue the team. my oldest and thoughts and go down to katrina. so was social in such of my sister when they get a default that found out that she's not among the people to rescue the once in such a high in the much. what is the hosp to, to try give the victim endorsement to anybody who should be among them. so we're planning to bring to go to show the direction where she is. i think it was 2 days later i or they could not pass called her husband until that i use.

so is a pass in. so i was one. she said, yes, it's a go to your wi fi you were told is on the look up to at this. so at this point, have they given you any indication of what they want in return for them? no, no. they've just said we have them nothing else. yes, yes. it was meant to ask, but 2 weeks, the code. the fact they're called just as this is what the one from the government the government should release the people for them. if the people that went to free people for us, the next call again is that's decided to model for us. so a 100000000. unfortunately, these was weak to us perfectly. don't get the amount those plus the v do on the show media. how do a plug in them? my treating them in the bush,

all of the shots and crying on the next in the lead off. come up aside. he's given the government is this would it that you've the don't come to give them what the ones that they're going to slow to all of them. so we don't have a need. we don't have any option dodge, we have to call all the family members for us to form a group. if i'm a group fitness got it. i mean it's the means of transportation for the products. so when we, when we met them, we'll ask please this is what you said you are doing is the government is to be working on, on the remaining victim. and you say you're watching the government is walk in is in the on this new yellow, happy about this. okay, so i'll come back to you so that we know how the story was resolved. but before we go too far, i want to come to joshua because we're hearing some very scary things here. yeah. why people? so there being, why has this problem continued persistently for so long?

we're talking about 10 years since how well there was sticking. the bottom line is money. it's the money making venture is a criminal enterprise, and it's extremely to create to for those that engage in that. yeah. but it's not easy. is it because you have to walk somebody in the middle of the night until an unknown destination? you need people to keep them there. you need to feed these people wherever you're getting the funding from. well, the funding don't forget that is an ongoing enterprise. so for example, you the steps small undergraduate into a bigger groups and the more the got the victims, the more money to make. just like she said, if for example, they have 10 presence incompatibility and the gets that may be $10000000.00 each $1800000000.00. a huge amount of money will be that they can use for chrome or arms with that. so they can use to recruit more kidnappers into definitely into default, and we'd like to kind of get more people here. let me come back to dr. mit here

because when you look at how dia, the situation is, is at the moment, would you say that it's the inability of the politicians, or is it the inability of the police to get down to the bottom of this? none of these guys is a folder in their parents on. therefore parents are known and everybody's what i say everybody, including myself on all the institutions that you can name them as security is additions, most of these guys. so the question is, what have we been doing that most of them all the internally, they're not up to 3000 number a yes, of course not. so if you were behind it, those who are cutting the ups. but because of the infiltration of ability of the government to do that, i think because of the level of crushing, a negligence because of the intent of support is because of the all scroll from those elements. because of the lack of the understanding of the community, the issue of security is not that as well. so which of the governmental and he said

that is supposedly to a fully the security person who are trying to secure or to kind of so on. so on and so forth with the, because the criminals are taking advantage of the divided mindset and invited to institution that trustworthy. but we have, let me ask the stuff here. question just so i know you want to see something. i'll come back to you and talk to i make a saying that the people who do these things, they are known, they live in the same villages as us. they are all family members. they are friends of friends. do you know who was behind your kid? nothing and how they've been brought to just i don't know anybody, but what's the problem of the cannot seem that is happening. one that teresa happening at home daddy's informed us some could be a movie on a nearby. some could be for the, for, for a sofa issue of business or something as maybe they might need something from you. in my own case, i see it. all right, let me ask cola here because your case was internationally publicized everybody

around the globe was trying to find the 2 book goals. but there are still some who will have been held in captivity despite what the government did. and despite towards the international community tried, do you feel that it was enough? no, it's not you've. i'm to ask you them for i'll ask each does do day for 10 is i have to know this to day and do a big in the go man. to this i'll assist us because he's painful for us have to now if i remember i'm to clients, i do know where the uh, where that is to that i deal with. i knew he had a woman is talking about them. i can do this the spin for, for me. do you think that the government has forgotten about the remaining goals? yes, i think so. okay. so just to let me come back to you because it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, right? because when does it stop? i mean, i know there's a lawyer in this country that binds payments over on some,

but what does the family need to do when the loved one has been taken? uh, i think is quite the human eye to criminalize runs on payments not on the hills that the security agencies slow right on. 2 factors are responsible, especially for white kid not being for us on the striving and 19 i think we need to get the conversation very correctly. number one is the fact that named you is a cash based economy. now what do you use to pay for run some? well, i would imagine if you're a clever kid now, but not a digital currency. yes. in 2023 doing cost based transaction to the about 52 percent. now what happened is because the government on the relevant authorities, as the meat investments in digital banking infrastructure. now, once you, you caught the sauce. once you ensure that the economy, the use of caution to companies reduce it better. as minimum, the business will be to create a variable because no keeps up

a want to take money by, by wire, by bank transfer, anything because it'll be a trip so long that this cash in the society. the issue of keeping up being is no going any we soon right now, the last time we still have lima, we were asking about what your family did in order to get to your sister. and you tell me that you will eventually able to raise the around some, what impact did that have on on you'll find me a surprise. so hard right number to raise the price of one for the protest. we were begging the government please. the address of the company, though, we don't have that in mind asking for government should try and do something please the okay, the federal care wish you go that don't get back to us. we went, there was no call, nothing, nothing. we didn't hear anything from them to have cut. that was i

think going to several months, 7 months. wow. so this is a very long process that you're going back and forth, not really knowing what's going to happen. so how did you eventually get to a system back to mercedes by categories without being any run. so that's good. i don't know that is between them and the government. so how lima, the telling us the story of her family. but i'm just curious to hear from the people at the back. you know, how has kids not being affected? you guys in your villages in your homestead? let me hear from some people at the back. please, i am leaving maybe later before 2018 these duties in day one, but we are staying now with joe. it's l. i see it a because you know, i'd village with dive save. most of some people know, even may nibble see says, blue dies banking up, then we'll go, sees these e,

sorry. all those people have been kidnapped in your family is basic and that my family. thank you, my uncle, full izzy. it lacks, let's see. in the plan, yes, we are assisting a lot so you know i'd be lead. okay. does anybody else have a similar experience? are you able to go back to your villages and feel safe? no, i can go up to my village and feel c t a. now we get it re, n u a go everywhere the see to i used to feel safe because that a lot of me cheapest center here that so i but in the village, most of the places and let's see. so we're talking about here, the economic impact and now psychological impact. and i wanted to ask you how, you know, it's been 10 years since the original kid not being 7 years since you were released . would you say that you've gotten over the trauma? i wonder if that's even an appropriate question. yes, i'm to scam because this to call me to our place. he's the vocal. how to up to now

. sometimes a confused stay at home safe because i'm of the if i have one that just should do and do up to now about my suicide guns. if we get to the o as fluid, you know was and so time we can get food to eat that them, that we are in custody. these one want we do it for this on you. what and some of the food that we, i get to me to do it when these people up to now does to i was in a few days as well. so as we were speaking, i notice that it's very difficult for you to express yourself when it comes to this . does the government offer any support that's sold to your family and your sister after the fact? no, not at all. okay, let me ask you most of the same question because, you know, being taken from your home, that's something very, very personal. what have you done to sort of come back to full psychological health if you have, i don't have that to be dead. it was to attempt trauma and when i come back i was

to be in the hospital and even while coming out of the hospital i still have a lot of discussions or a lot of things for them. my family, especially id my wife. she says that i see so, so, so what, which i don't know i, you've been saying that so would that for force i was at the high high totes, are 5 types of 5 psychological problem for the purpose of that get nothing because the kind of a to say so in that pledge had, but in that, in that bush that says the 5 to i wouldn't be has he been for the present that freeze or wishing me or someone who made me saying that he's praying for my dad? i am not waiting for him to have such kind of chrome. i that a course in my life. yeah. doctor, i've made when will stuff i speaking here you are shaking your head and obviously these are rooms that you be privy to because you no longer do this,

but you want to go see a thing the release of these people. how difficult is it for the families who it is quite difficult because i can see that in 11 years old they have, i was able to conduct 84 negotiations and i only succeeded do one. when you say succeed, what does success look like in that field? i was able to facilitate the process for leasing 35 people at this time, but it did toronto to filled rock. all right, now we've, we've been talking about kidnapping, but i haven't mentioned yet. the cost of life yet is also very high. it's estimated that for every one keeping up being attempt, there is one desk that follows it. so let me hear a few more solutions from the people here. what do you think needs to be done in order for this to become a problem of the past? so that night julia is no longer dealing with this. and so your hand up little as

pain did them some complete to keep people tired, no money, nor them. so maybe they will have to stop. but tell me that cannot be a solution. so you, you think that it's okay for people to get mad just so that the solution can be found if not. so how much are we going to spend in the paintings? i'm so long. some people you paid on the community. okay. do i see joshua's hands up? i think he wants to respond to this and we'll stuff uh, let me come to you 1st. he say, you know what? in order to use a button on your family, it's may be better if you had been cute. i'm in support of that because in fact you, people are taking money to this uh, kid. now for us, this kid, nothing with nothing. but uh daddy. see we can try you to this uh, this entered in mountain view. uh and in the run or a victim in to handle by kid. none of us loved each life at the government should

come i would buy content. satan deaf, i'm a lease actually lives with a minimum of a i police a $5000000.00 because we have money is better to use them by fee and the the board if i'm a new of the big gym. so when does that less? because it is money. give dad his money to kill him, would continue. uh, okay. i have to say, i'm very surprised that you're leaning towards that. uh, how do you my, let me come to you before i finish joshua. to me what he said is a note to me that also i'm the going to give the family will live, bring back the person to kill it, gun, bring him back. but uh, looking at the people that they use to keep looking at the situation without the flight, then i do don't want you know, that people way into is better. we do feed around some down to take it as one mean as want me to time i was good enough, but i did. this is into position that that would not come back because lives fund

or for me. i live in the desk comes to the end as well done me so i wouldn't come back, but i do money. they will give to my family probably to be able to see something to do to my children. let me, let me, let me come back to what is the person you're finished? would you give the funding to? the last one is the burden of the family. like now they didn't feel you. you came back to your family or you know, provide you for your family, but it was the government continue to provide for the families that i believe your, you don't know what government is. do you the best of that can be yeah. was much an i still am when he is go you. i do see any way to stop this. kidnapping. football is need the government in order with disability 6 that is not ready to do the work space pump in this. i can not be in the make it, you will if i get to money that make it as the will 546 because that is 46 now in dispute or to set to remind you that let me,

let me close this up with joshua because we're hearing of use me some very radical solutions from 2 people who enjoyed the keep that being in one way or another final thoughts um for you to say stop payment of run. so just be aware, it's because once your, your 5 though your mother or really just keeping up, your sense of judgement is too much because the impaired, you're not thinking about what the government is saying. what comes to your mind is how do i get my religious out? so i'm not sure anybody kind of relates we, there's a lot that sees that if you p run some, yes, up your library for 15, you do it to him because it will make sense because i've done an ideal situation. i expect the government to put words into action to ensure that right some payment is reduced, it cannot be stopped. so for you to a not to low by come by saying ok, it's for the need for you to, for us on the feeds come on sense from you. you. all right, so we asked what sounded like a very simple question at the beginning of this debate. what is causing the problem

of keeping up in here, and i do have very key effect as elaborated. how can you stop that? not so clear on that. my so would love to hear from you, but for now, thank you all for watching the, the, the

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