less than 2 weeks after launching an offensive revel fights is now in charge of the capital, damascus. and the former leader has fled to moscow. the situation is still very much in flux from the countries the future direction. uncertain. the lead revel drew based on the un 10 release, but syrians have welcomed them as liberates as being the country for 5 decades of brooklyn repression. i'm feel go and lead, and this is the day the how much they describe the full joy up to 14 years of being away from us, probably in our country or coming back with our heads held high. the. we're really happy as to the for the shuttle aside, make good raises, open forever on the freight to say it.

the also on the day syrian rebels free prisoners from the sudden i a jail seen by manage the metro full for by shot a sides police states. we were living in a big prison, a big prison. that was syria. if it's being 50 years joining which we couldn't speak nor express ourselves nor express all worries. any one who spoke out was maintained in prisons as you saw in certain i with the measure of proof that now you are welcome to the day sir. and rebel leaders have started to assert that control much closely by the international community. i believe that having the so called join the military operations come onto that. the light which led to lightning offense against the ass i've been shaped as that match for outgoing the outgoing prime minister in damascus. boom,

habit al july me has dropped the number associated with these jihad is awesome. so it's now using his real name. i was shot on his tried to bolster his legitimacy by presenting of a moderate public image of sophie serious problem and to excite the prime minister was pro aside says it supports the people's will to build a new future. for battle, looked like is unclear, but many sit inside. it can only get better. some damascus streets are covered and bullet casings. not from sight seeing that but from enjoy seeing over the fold of the unsolved received the date. the syrians are looking forward to a new era here and then just came out today and think, thought there's no fear. there's nothing to be scared of. everything is okay in the country. second. so i'll just hope the economy gets back on track and everything will be okay. rebel forces are patrolling the capital,

the street. they are expecting many syrians living abroad. 7 to return home soon, the millions of people have been displaced during the civil war many and now returning for the 1st time in years, like here, the lebanese border. the check points on the syrians side are abandoned the while these people are returning home. lebanon says some also trying to leave syria, given the uncertainty about how the current situation will unfold. the leading rebel force behind to search for ya. talk to you on some or hasty s is considered a tetra organization by subaru. wisdom countries, as the group is now trying to present itself in the more moderate lights,

some countries are reconsidering the stones towards it. the europe in union, however, made clear the european union is not apparently engaging with h t s or its leaders for stop. however, let me finish with this as h t. s takes on great sir responsibilities we, we need to assess not just the words, but also the actions of the united nation says crime is committed during the civil war must be addressed. any political transition must enjoy accountability for perpetrators of serious violations and guarantee that those responsible i have to account one day after the fall of the a. so i'll just see, it's how to say what direction the country will take the international communities . now closely watching developments in syria, but among the uncertainty, the prevailing mood and syria is one of hope and joy. well,

professor steven high demand holds, they'd catch them share in mid least that is at smith college and the united states is also a non resident senior fellow at the brookings institution center for middle east policy. and he joins us from washington. welcome to d. w. professor, you cautiously optimistic now that aside is gone. i am cautiously optimistic. it's been quite striking how smoothly the very early days of this transition have gone in in syria, a h t s and its partners. and the operation that over through assets are making all the right noises about responsiveness to the concerns of minorities. they're moving to maintain public order in damascus and other major cities. they have offered assurances to the other we, minority to christians, that they are safe, secure, and that their lives will not be interfered with during this transition. so from

everything we've seen, the, the 1st few days of what's happened since the fall of us. i have have been actually quite remarkable in how smoothly things have gone. we had the prime minister talking about aging, the transition to a government chosen by the people. so this will be the next tricky bit of this transition. do you think that that will actually happen as well? if we reach a point at which syrians are able to participate in choosing a new government through elections is likely to take some time before we get there . there are huge numbers of a huge number of issues that have to be dealt with well in advance of, of, of the possibility of holding elections. we need to imagine some form of interim governing authority and merging. there has to be a process of constitutional reform. they'll have to be some opportunity for syrians to become acquainted with what

a democratic system looks like and how it operates for parties to form and all of that. and we'll take some time. so it's entirely possible that the syrians will be able to participate in shaping the future government, but it's not something that i would look to as a very quick next step. it still does take a quick look at some of a potential repercussions of this move. regional and father failed and i'm can we start when it's likely effect on iran, which helped to prop up the sides regime this well around has suffered a number of fairly significant blows in, in the past 10 days, 2 weeks and even longer it's position has been severely weakened by the, the effect of, of his bolus conflict with israel. his ball that has been, has suffered significant losses and no longer can, can play the kind of role that it had played for a long time is

a leading ally of iran and a principal deterrent against and is really attacked on the wrong. and now is the loss of syria. iranian regime has seen the loss of, of an allied that had been one of its principal partners in what, what is known as the resistance front. since the iranian revolution in 1979, it has lost the opportunity to move weapons to resupply his bola through syria. and it has really now found itself in a position in that, in which it's going to have to think very seriously about how it can reconstruct some kind of deterrent past year, given the losses in living on and the loss of the sun regime. and how about israel, how is benjamin netanyahu as of right wing coalition, likely to view assets removal by is limited insurgence. cautiously i think and, and we seen that in the early statements of,

of nathan yahoo in response to the fall of us out in which he will come to change. but pointed out that israel would be watching closely what happened on the ground. israel's principal strategic concern in syria for some years has been that his paula and iran would strengthen their position along israel's northern border in southern syria. and given the events of the past week, it now seems as if that threat has significantly receded. there is still some concern about how an emerging searing authority will conduct itself with regard to israel. but it does seem to me that israel's assessment is likely to be that it is now in a, in a most in a stronger position. but then it was a couple of weeks ago. that's very clear. thank you so much for allowing that to force profess that stephen hide them from smith college and the brookings

institution. one of the 1st places liberated by the rebels in damascus is the side. and i a present north of the capital, it's the most and the torres people institution bound by the assets regime. and so tens of thousands of people have been killed. that since the outbreak of civil and 2011, you may find some of the images in on next report. distressing as well, it's about rushing to see their loved ones. thousands of people, storm serious, most famous prison, near damascus. the many of those contact with family members over the years without knowing their fate and clinging to help. i just found my brother. it's been 6, he is human rights groups estimate,

30000 people were killed in this prison alone. it was nicknamed the human slaughter house by amnesty international. under now was the president bush. charlotte sat tens of thousands of syrians disappeared into the country's network of prisons, or the slightest suspicion of defense could result in incarceration. for many, it would also mean torture and death. when grandma moody, in 2013 thousands of photos of victims were smuggled out of syria. they are known as the cesar photos approve of human rights abuses under a set as hopes for a new era as well. many say it would be hard to forget crimes be a set family committed against so many of their own people. the thoughts they were from the machine. we only receive pain and torture from them

. free prisoners are joining the crowds in the streets of damascus. but for many families, there is still an agonizing wait, have to find out whether their loved ones are still alive. let's take a closer look at the liberation of a sudden i present on. well, i'll booty is still in human rights lawyer and former political prisoner who has worked in exile to bring members of a sudden regime to justice and from washington withdrawn by syria. i missed that abraham. i feel from the middle east institute, he was detained and tortured by susan secret police back in 2011. welcome. both i'm on what albany can, can we start with you and start with your reaction to the deliberation of a sudden i presume, which i understand, you know, well, uh yeah, i know when, when i saw that the said i a present broke said ne,

a present it's simply for the that the machine off a separation. he did a fight hard. the syrians with the simple everybody afraid to have any opposition to the go to this person. this simple of michelle separation. what it's collapse, hey, pretty about the food a subdivision, diag. it's gone on for if i, i know this is in my but as i was spend 10 years inside this prison i visits. and so i thought that both of these 10 years, uh and i, well we had a lot of money from the victims whose advice from this prison unfortunately, a subdivision i felt a video ocean can then of 1000 tens of thousands from the

tennis. is this person we, we, we have 150000, just disappear, missing pearson invitation place in syria. something now, after or this present open, there is 120000 person sitting missing that be a separate, as you can see. it says now i'm a reputation place. it's like head really like how and abraham out if i so your reaction from washington. you know, 1st thank you for having me. it's an honor to be co hosted with mister lenny. i was only detained for a few days, but they were all that they were enough for me to see what was happening on the other side of this on

a see what he has used to see. so i want to congratulate mr. brand name. he suffered a lot to sacrifice a lot for celia and many syrians. really appreciate the sacrifice for bringing syria to the lights. again, as i said, when you said syria was ruled through and it totally yes, secret prisons and dungeons of tortures. something on the scale of this to us. the something on the scale of studying presents to actually suppress and to press the population and to oppress them. and torture them into submission. the, the issue of the, to me is what was at the core of the cedar, an uprising, and the symbolism of the rebels trying to reach the prisons 1st and before any other buildings, even before the presidential palace itself, really symbolizes how many syrians and we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people who were detained and tortured over the decades. and that means many syrians, almost every student,

finally lost someone or know someone who was forcibly disappear and people were never able to hear about them again. and if i understood the an hour albany correctly, such was this prisons reputation. but when they came for you, the one place in this whole of a country that you did not want to go to a was based prison. yes, it's absolutely sorted. i've looked at with the question was forms that are going to yes, absolutely. so i was skipped of the city an air force intelligence in a at the airport. another notorious one. save my is holy and fully another level and even instead my out there are levels. syrians knew these things, the syrians have nicknames for these things, and people shake when they hear about them. they know that if you are going inside of them, your loss, if you leave them, you are born again and when people are,

they leave those presidents because they are designed to lose society by fear. so when they leave the whispers of people talking about those stories that's help us out, wanted to keep ceiling in silence. and that's why syrians didn't want to remain under his oppression and took to the streets and said, no matter what happens. and no matter what you were getting his face. next, we are not going back to those dungeons right. so on while i'm we all know now that terrible things happened under the i side, racially beatings, torches disappeared and says, house showed the new syria address those injustices. this is the big mission in, in fact. and then you'll see the big thing struck shot for is that funds issued on justice? there is no peace in syria would be stay, but this out just these 4 or the victims. you know,

i said 3 she comments and the crime is not up to 2011. he started to commit that the crimes from its beginning from home on my 2nd i am from hema and i'd be there in home on the 2nd 19811982. and he come with a lot of crimes as far as that. so he's the structure of the building of crimes, and those people will not live are allowed to then to have immunity or escape from justice. justice would come to syria. it's coming for both of them in europe. you know, copeland's, we work on it as up in france and i was, there is other sort of in just a shuttle. i said, i'm also in jeremy's. there is many other store and i guess type even ranking office out from disability and a lot of work to been structured for funds to show and just this concept applying justice in syria in front of the victims coaching that could,

i mean as i put them in jail, to be some piece of the victim spice. i want to put this, this question to both of you, but i'll start with you abraham. i'll i. so how do you insure and then you a syria that just this is just this a not vengeance. thank you for this question. i think this is just the beginning of another challenge we're in talking to face when people took to the streets in syria, they wanted to build it, just add to realistic syria. so got in the way people wanted to topple. so now this is another child and another chapter for to see and people, but we all realize this is full with the challenges, but we believe we all believe as a nation. now we have the needed expertise. we have the needed professionals, we have the need to motivate people to work on the ceiling. and people always found

their way through the cracks of oppression, to organize, to talk to each other, to document the violations and to communicate with the rest of the world. now we want to see all these organizations working together and with some help with the international community. but we want this process to be sitting on the left. we want justice, we want transitional justice because that's very important for people to have their own closure. many people never saw the bodies of their beloved one and the want. now what's the search for the mass graves will start. other issues will make things very emotional for serious, but we need to see a police that pass for justice. so people know how to manage all dots, emotions, they need to face over the next few days, weeks and months. so they know they don't have to take things into their own had. there is a passport, justice, and the just gonna take time. but we are on the right track, so, so on. well,

this notion of sit and let just the sudden i know that, that, but in your work you have pursued some of these people through. we do are paying quotes. do you see that work? continuing in new york in costs, or do you see coming home to syria? it's really be, continue it here and it's a big oh or a wait and see that because when that could, i mean that's based in europe. they would be accounting here, but the green eyes and syria, they would be accounts syria. so many now could, i mean that you'll see that there's 3 of the security empty orgs in but in a way where they hide things out in syria. rush up, i said, i don't know where to where i shall, but as i've come up, have been through it on thrush. are they hiding? no arms or ups in thinking i'm dreaming to come to you. and that's what were you waiting when i was in the here. and when i lived here, they would cousin because we have a lot of evidence of a, a for us as of

a victims of them. and we con, building cases against them here comes in to here. can i so up a slightly now you have question i asked you a bit. is there a place for forgiveness within this? and i'm looking at the examples of south africa and northern ireland where they were sort of the truth and reconciliation. this does not have any pods to play. it's different situation in syria is different about the one about steps in, in, in as soon as out of country they water crime committed for the crimes is the. 3 crimes that goes to who minutes when you thought you have some but be for enjoy. look for have information left of defense about your country. just to have fun. when you broke into human being, just because he goes,

do you the name from him? just the broken lip. mary came last piece, the human. that's how we got the was some of the seems like that nobody comes if we say nothing about fort gibson, many syria's comments in the declines as because they had to the defense about themselves. they or should to do that. it's ok sometimes for given, for the source or not. but who comments is good? i was a patient to happens at the for the city the people just to enjoy, to take part what. ok that you cannot forgive interest, is that your, your feeling as well uh, able to him out. i feel better is that no parts, no place for forgiveness and they said they, these people must be assumed. you know, mainly this question i think should be addressed to the people who have rights like

like mr. going the other 2 to me is at present or is and to build on what he just said eloquently, you know, forgiveness needs of justice and the justice needs forgiveness. syrians will discuss how much they go through the ranks of the institutions of this union criminals. but many of those people who committed the crime of torturing thousands of people to death, they need to be held accountable. that's for peace that, that's for to see is stable syria. those are criminals. how many they go into in the ranks of a lower rice individuals? that's of course, very specialized question for people for specialize in transitional justice. but those who gave the orders those who institutionalized torture, those who made that systematic insight, syria should be held accountable. people cannot forgive if they don't see that there is some sort for the past for them to have the closure and see at least some

sort of what they could cool justice. all right? that we will be fine. q a both even him out a sail from the middle east. the instigators in washington. thank you. human royce, a rights lawyer on? well, i'll bony here with me. thank you. thank you both. we wish you and that's is by, or you can follow the team of social media at cdw in years. lasers headlines, of course, the w dot com over at d. w. a good, the

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