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hello, i'm terry martin. thanks for joining us. russia says it's him, military targets inside ukraine and a missile attack targeting the capitol. keep officials there, say at least one person was killed in the early morning attack, which involved ballistic missiles and drones russians. defense industries says the strike was in response to an earlier ukrainian attack using western supplied miss house on the overall stall border region. moscow claims to have struck a command center belonging to ukraine's best b. u intelligence agency. wing crossed out to our correspond it nick connelly who is in t. nick, what more can you tell us to it was going to be loud here on 7 o'clock local time. there was multiple explosions. most of those will hopefully intercept

themselves being launched from the heart of the city. so incredibly loud as those launch those rocket engines make a lot of noise and then thoughts in the distance. we understand those being set to the planning and say that they accepted all 5 of themselves, you know, 8, as early discussed previously, we had had reports that they, what can you tell me so that is condemn solve. now a mutual cause that is going to me cycles, one concerns casualty so far. uh, but a lot of instructional supporting cause that was damaged to teaching infrastructure to power supplies and some pretty strong pictures of kind of keeps getting ready for christmas in flames. historic church severely damaged, so it is a very kind of rude reminder that russia, for all the fact that it's running down the supplies cancel, do this kind of attacks even if you credit leasing caves, able to stop them. now ballistic missiles being used to a tech key, but it's not very common. what more do we know about the targets of dismissal

attack? and why is that happening now as well? directions, as you mentioned earlier, have claimed that this was somehow in return for you creating a tax on military targets invest. the reason one of those was a factory kind of production site just in the, the ukrainian or russian board and other was a, an oil refinery. so those were kind of seemingly quite effective a text and you print inside the labels and the russians. but attacking, even if they only 2 dogs in the middle of a city with means people, it just doesn't add office kind of symmetrical response. so that is something that doesn't make sense. i think we're getting a sense that like if we didn't really want to show the strength, he had a press conference yesterday where he basically made it clear that he's not gonna accept anything short of relation from ukraine. and i think the russian that just trying to intimidate ukrainians and kind of make life as difficult as possible in the hope that they will the impression that he does into giving preaching what you want. nick, thank you very much for an hour, correspond it, and it connelly in t as rush as war against ukraine approaches is 3rd anniversary

keepers having to innovate for its defense. it's emerging as a testing ground for high tech, cutting edge drone warfare, aerial n. c drive and some already destroyed much of russia's black sea fleets, but on land, drones are still in their infancy. the w as much some the reports. these are ground drones. they could soon be a common sight on battlefields around the world. they can drive to enemy positions and blow themselves up. they can lee anti tank lines and take supplies to front line positions. are there easy to drive and keep soldiers out of danger? if he's a man from the hot here brigade test and modified ground drones produced by civilian startup companies. during the last week, i was told by some of this mr. on has already laid more than $180.00 mines on. it

has proved itself quite well. i mean for the move. so as you can see, it has returned to the supervisor with those other drums that you've seen me call them. they can act as kamikaze and use or do logistics jobs for a small load. send me called zillow, he still would want to solo or his normal ankle. various brigades across ukraine are testing such chrome drugs. it's not a centrally coordinated process. and the region, a logistics unit belonging to the 28th brigade, is working with a multi purpose land. true. the mission needs a vehicle operator, a drilled pilot to track its progress and the commander the drunken lee moines. and it just takes a few minutes to fit on a stretcher to carry a water culture. they tell us that this concept still has yet to be proven on the battlefield. they've been using this drawing for 6 months,

replacing soldiers carrying stuff, one foot through dangerous areas for you on the phone, and you can carry a 120 kilograms and move across the terrain. we see at a speed of 10 kilometers per hour. this is much faster than infantry with the same way it could go across fields. uh, would you give me shout something for them to hold. the unit is using the drones in the field. helping to take about a ton of cargo to front positions each week. they take some of the burden and risk from soldiers making the trip on foot. back with a hunch, every gate, this man call sign rest is working on a drone. the feedback to the manufacturer is only goes so far. often the soldiers make crucial modifications themselves kind of making a repeater right now and some different things to which we can work at a greater distance on the front. so it's a lot to know this for these things. i've soldered it. now i'm just going to check

if everything worked with it. i think if i did everything correctly this apparently since everything is lit, it works so it will all be fine. i don't want them. but sometimes extra distance isn't enough. there's an arms race going on, especially when it comes to jamming radio signals. the knowledge of different electronic warfare blocks the signal that's it on the drone, won't reach the destination, we'll deliver it munition. we won't be able to evacuate the wounded or perform any other compet admission. it will simply stop in the middle of the field and stand there and won't be of any use. of course, these ukrainian land drones are not the only ones in this war. the russian state is developing such technology to with the resources that has, it's making more and doing it faster than the ukrainians. but the soldiers are confident as holding the fox, the current, you know, because the main thing is how technically we use the foot. so if we use them wisely,

when those people work on, so if we don't use them wisely and so they won't work the visual dominant. but for the most part, although they will replace people in many critical areas and do the typical drones have already changed for fair indeed. now they're doing it on the ground. joining me now for more is like a funk cuz she's a senior policy fellow with the european council on foreign relations in paris and an expert on drones and military robots. thanks for being with us. so like up give us a sense of just how important drones and robots are in the ukraine war they're really very important if it's rare that one system is kind of more the sliding compet deciding. so wouldn't say that they have kind of decided or deciding the war, but we've out drones and crude systems, whether they're in the air, naval systems or grounds drones us, which is so i wouldn't want to imagine you cringe defense. so they are very

relevant or houston high numbers on both sides and really are making a difference. as a report you showed ukraine is putting a lot of effort into developing robots for use on the ground. what role have they played in the role? so in the work so far so for i would say that around robots ground drones haven't played the most important role yet. they're just coming on to the battlefield. and they're much less sophisticated than the systems we have in the year. and to some extent on the see if you need to understand that the aerial environment is kind of easy, is to operate. and not that it's that easy, but still the easiest then comes the see on the water surface vessels and then the ground because on the ground you have menu hurdles. you have many things you need to go around. you can just, you know, get stuck in the month, and so, and ground systems are being used. now as we just saw, the will eventually make a difference. but for now, i'd say they're not the most decisive things, but you know, as we're just seeing lane minds is something that,

that they can certainly do and help with a lot of effort is being put into also countering drones. right? so of course, how, how hard has it become to deter a threat by drones? a, you know, it's a real cat and mouse game at the moment in ukraine. it never actually, ever since the beginning, you may remember at the very beginning of the war, these turkish bill, by wrecked us, he'd be to drugs where kind of seen as the system to fight back russian advances. and they were incredibly useful. and then after a while they almost disappeared and the reason is counter drawn systems, you know, you always have this development where a drone is useful and then the counter drum system is built to counter it. and sometimes the drum gets modified warranty to come be used any longer. and so this cat and mouse game has been ongoing is one of the reasons why we see so much innovation in ukraine in russia. happening right now, because you need to constantly adapt. and so, yeah, some systems you can no longer use, some systems can still make

a difference kind of goes back and forth and, and that explains why innovation is so fostering what development the so fast. well, there's clearly a learning process going on, particularly in ukraine with all of those. when would you say that the use of drones and robots has significantly changed more dynamics already? yes, to some extent. so there's certain things you just no longer do. if there are many drones in the sky, so on some parts of the front line, you basically have what we call a transparent battlefield because there's so many drones in the sky. you have 24 hours surveillance yukon, mosse troops anymore. right. you can't. moss: a lot of equipment because if you do that you become an immediate high value target and you are being targeted. now of course, there are other parts of the front line where you have so much contr drone systems jamming electronic warfare in particular. the drones kind of love the flies here. the situation is different, but yeah, i think it has changed operations organizations to some extent already. so just

briefly, how do you see drone and robot technology shaping the future of war for this question comes up all the time. i'm sure for you or yeah, i mean, the honest answer of course is we don't know. and there are many possible futures of, of war and, and drone warfare. i mean, i do expect any future, we're to have a high number of drones, but it may not look exactly like it doesn't ukraine. we shouldn't suggest that in ukraine. a lot of initially civilian drones are being used that explains also the very high number of drones and in use. and that may not be the case in another confrontation if the geography, the climate, this the front, if for example, china, which after all produces the civilian drones, predominantly, may be involved in a war and may not deliver them to one of the actors. and so it's a bit difficult to, to extrapolate, but drones anti drone systems. they will play a role and, and yeah, we need to be prepared for a, for the scenarios. really good. thank you very much for your insights. that was it

like a fun co senior policy fellow with the european council on foreign relations and parents. thank you. a sketch off on a few other stories making headlines day. you as lawmakers are running out of time to avoid a government shut down. that's after a revised spending plan, backed by president elect. donald trump failed to pass a boat in the house of representatives. democrats and dozens of republicans rejected the bill. i mean, the government funding expires at the end of friday. a gas tank or explosion has killed at least 4 people in injured dozens more in the city of dr. poor in western india report suggests the blast occurred in the early hours of friday morning with in a collision of witnesses say the explosion produced clouds of smoke and led up led to a vehicle pile along the road. trunk is navy says it has rescued a 100 or a 100 refugees from me on more uh, found a drift in

a fishing controller. they've been provided with food and water and to are receiving medical attention. the mostly muslim ethnic for hinges are persecuted in myanmar and thousands risk their lives each year trying to escape the war torn country now to syria, and the 1st us diplomats to visit the country since the fall of the sod regime have arrived in the capital, damascus they are expected to hold talks with the rebels, who now form the government and who the us and other states still classify as a terrorist organization. it's a sign of transition that's being reflected across the country. as some members of the former president for his former president, assad's military are integrated into the new order they've been told to hand over their weapons or face prosecution and many say are happy to do so. one former general from the western city of holland has been speaking to to w correspondent mohammed straight to a visa and your scene was a general in bo,

charlotte, that's for me. he's here looking for redemption. many of the officers from the now defunct machine is seeking a new beginning in a new see are you are you still served in the military for 38 years? he says he was in the air force defense division and did not take part. and so you guys loved the civil government. this would this if i'm not scared lulu and why would i b as in a little more things are going well and then no one heard us and then i'm going out all the time and no one stopped me. or questions a i do not have them, but i'm here for a settlement so that no one out of control could hurt me. it's not new. i have the or no, once i do this settlement time for you to go wherever i want it. easy. plus i have to go to the website. this will allow me to move to and i have the police

headquarters here in the western city of homes is serving as one of many reconciliation centers that the new government has established across the country. former officers come here to turn in their weapons and military id cards. please stand on the 4th floor of the old boston to pose for new civilian ideas. when they come here, x was the offices are given. some penalty receipts like this one. with these receipts, they are told they can go back to their daily life safely. for now, the interim government says that late, so they will look into any alleged participation in crime like torture. the new dfac to forward these offer. we assurances for those hesitant to show

your has the both the items del autoplay. hmmm, cuz they were not involved and atrocities. they can re join the army immediately if they want to. i'm not on zillow, but those who have blood on their hands got to have them and were involved in violence against the serious people will be legally prosecuted. and that was a new after that about yeah, they can be included in society and reclaim their civil rights. you might have football football if any guy me that on the streets nearby show the damage done by serious civil war and evidence of atrocities, surfaces every day for the new care take. a government says, every one we get a 2nd chance or you saw has accepted the new reality. it's a moment of to brenda. and so 5 a one bedroom above college and it's nearly time for me to retire anyway. let's check it out. the, the i love that i'm going back to normal life is, i'm the,

and i was interested in that this age. i can't work in reconstruction. i mean like the youngsters, little tiny little. so i have to look for office work, but american maybe in a supermarket or a more room to do, the finance itself has have you there's a sudden even so the office to work with the new regime. it seems you may find a place here. we appreciate your presence here and we value your expertise and we hope that it would be beneficial for us. god willing a general no more based on the as he goes to build his future. just get more on this now from or so. first, charlotte, she's a senior research fellow for middle east for, for middle east security at lucy, the royal united services institute. she joins us from london. thanks for being with us more so you've done extensive research on reconciliation into bothered

society just from what you see happening in syria. how would you describe the prospect for reconciliation there to i think for now the h t. s. and the governing administration. the transitional administration is sending the right kinds of messages. the indications are very encouraging in terms of the facilities in terms of extending rice towards minorities and recognizing women's, equally dissipation in life. reconciliation is a, is a complex process and it is that it is a process and it doesn't happen overnight. despite the correct messaging, it will take some time. i suspect for the, the new interim government to be able to provide the right kinds of assurance as to all segments of syria is very diverse. most a society that they will be able to participate in the constitution of what is

called the making of a new we the collective identity in syria. that is, of that is coast assad and that is looking forward to it to a new future course. these are very early days in syria, justice and accountability. there are always issues in post conflict societies. what about those who serve the suburbs even the syrian military summer, calling for amnesty for them. others wants investigations and trials. what do you think is the right way forward? there's a complicated balance, fine line between justice and reconciliation and many in the scholarship on please call me back installation in the past and draw a line between the difference between making the choice between stability and moving forward versus seeking justice and the latter seeking justice and accountability is, in my view, the more likely scenario to reach to a lasting reconciliation between those who have suffered at the hands of the brutal

assad machine. and in those have been the victims. and so it's important to be able to give voice and recognize that these testimonies and victor heard of torture of a mess of frames that are coming out. and i think what we will see in the weeks and months even years to come is a vast body of evidence that the documents the extent of the utility under the, of the sod regime that account for is many legal scholars already indicated a war crimes and violations of international military law. the question, of course, the big burning question is, will the charlotte sign currently in most in, in russia? will he will, he's come to, will he be held accountable for he face justice and without that having been done? and what really will have a need to the process of reconciliation inside syria will these in some ways, superficial, or skindeep without really going into the, the depth of, of the, was the shadow. all the saw. it must face in terms of his own crimes or alleged

crimes. now, as you know, delegates right? as you know, delegates from the us are meeting serious new leaders today. what if anything, can foreign countries like the us do to contribute to the creation of a unified syrian society? the 1st and foremost, i think was important. remember, is that this is a syrian ledge process, and must be respected as such a for an intervention, particularly u. s. military and direction of the region, of course, has a very mixed record to put it mildly and there needs to be lessons learned from, again, a stance. i'm a rock in terms of what not to do so well it's, it's important that external actors play a constructive role in the reconstruction of serious economy and it's rehabilitation. i think it's very important throughout this process to, to uh, emphasize that this must be a serial leg of, uh, serial leverage

a degree restrooms level all the way to the top of the leadership. us interests in syria are many, of course in the top of this list is how to engage with us, which is a prescribed terrorist organization. and nothing's going forward in terms of lifting the some of the sanctions that stand in the way of serious hopes of reconstruction moment. what is your thank you very much for speaking with us. that was put as you are still a senior research fellow for middle east, just curious, yet, rosie inland. thank you. now the world's richest man has thrown his support behind germany's bar right below and must cruise a close advisor to present well the president elect, donald trump posted on x. that the fall arrived alternative for germany is the only party that can save germany day after he is at odds with germany's mainstream parties because of its hard line, antique immigrants and

n t e u stances. it's also under observation by german law enforcement because parts of the party are suspected of seeking to undermine germany's democratic order . well nina has our chief political correspondent as following all this and join just now nina. tell us more about what most excited about the f t and why it's so controversial as well. there's musket, the tweet was a reaction to a post by german influenza who made a name for himself. um, in the past as a climate change deny are on youtube and is trying to push a of the narratives. and of course now what followed was a big outcry from big accounts on x politicians thing time because it's such a pointing to the gigantic risk that this is interference in the ongoing gemini election campaign by a tech 1000000000 that who uses the algorithms of his successful platform to decide over what gets hot and what's doesn't. so we are 2 months away from elections in

this country. and many people are now demanding the gym government, the democratic opposition, and also the you to show the teeth and impose some sort of penalty or sanction. what sort of reaction is this getting from the german government? dana? a spokeswoman was pressed by reports is about this repeatedly this morning, but she only said that they took notes, especially don't want to judge it. she said the government have expressed their concern in the past about how x has developed under long must but so now it remains an important platform for them that they intend to start and stay on with the official government account. so now it is an important platform of shaping public opinion in some ways is germany has towards national elections in february. how influential would you say most is for the far right in germany as well. we know that illness is someone who, as has many of the a of these are do so he wants culture was low tax resumes, no regulations or reduce welfare states. he wants to abolish the european union,

scrapped public broad costs as things like that is essentially the if these policy manifesto hit to an interesting lee. i don't know if a loan last has read the small print. because if you look at the original chapters, the protests against his tesla factory that's built outside poland have logs. they've been organized by a feature chapters. and also when you look at the, these foreign policy priorities, the deeply anti american, they want to move germany closer to russia into china. i'm not sure that that is, it is in 1st spot. so now when it comes to the big picture of what kind of a society do we want the, the does done for exactly the kind of things that you know mosque was a prioritizes. and of course we're talking about as a party that has 3 retail chapters that are being observed by german intelligence and organizations. they authorities, they want that they are actively trying to undermine all those things. human rights and also the division of power that we currently have. you know, thank you very much. our chief political correspondent, nena hows are there as you're watching the w news from

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