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roof to build a roof are disappearing without a trace of it. you can get all the latest news information on our website. that's the w dot com. i'm terry martin for me and everyone here in p. w. there's thanks for the my name is the calls back. said wow, thank you so much for joining in. welcome to don't hold bad. a lot of people do that. it's all about saying a loud noise. would it be nosy bay like good everyone to king a healthy award winning called called the called back. i'm looking for my nephew. if he'd be separated,
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we don't know what is going on. the border between poland and beller roost over the last 3 years. thousands of people have tried to reach the e you here, despite the military presence on board our fence again and again, the traces of some of these migrants are lost in the primeval forest. so for the last year. okay, let's go polish volunteers, search for clues about these people's whereabouts. people disappear and die. they pushed back and forth at the border. their relatives lived with uncertainty the numbers. i'm afraid i'll never see him again. the
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the, the, my name is da feed, romano sky. i'm a german polish journalist. i'm here in london to meet with ray college. rashid fled northern iraq for britain more than 20 years ago. 3 years ago his nephew mohammed sapa also decided to leave a rack. he too, wanted to come to europe. the best way to find these one we don't know, leasing is so hot in this kind of thing. you know, i mean 3 coat lives alone and a one bedroom apartment in east london. he is not a bridge citizen. and long works is a truck driver. these days he spends most of his time searching for mohammed.
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this guy is a must have a, he's my nephew. these one me and him this one, the 2000 and penny. when i was about quitting this time. you get to visa, comfortable those as wash. uh, as was uh, november 2020. when these when, when he went to men sick or wow. so not a lot of no the machine was to chicago has to be put in an hour on wherever the com, i good day and evening, full of hope for the day and 22. you read mohammed. he informed his uncle in london about his every move. when did you hear from your left over the last time,
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april to me 2 days before the 29th of november 2021 to 3 days before the missing globe. h voice which is next on december 1st 2021 mohammed central for the border. the humanitarian situation there had continued to worsen the re do this in videos on the board. the
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that's was why he was stuck in was no man's land. yeah. and photo score and but the rest of the yeah, and right to 2000 people come to more of the and what they believe was a pleasure to be able to open the gate for them. and then the side pulled on the dim . we told him go back, but the other side below. oh no, they didn't. they came back so they was stuck in the middle. but the a could do nothing. i didn't know. so people was missing me. it's my sister and that was all my nephew. i afterall went to escape. mm hm. it disappeared on
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december 2nd, 2021. your abilities began to systematically smuggling people to the border in response pulling built a 185 kilometer long border fence. but even in 2024 migrants are trying to enter the u using russian or bell, or russian visas, route least through this one p. b i la forest in northeastern poland. the, in the spring of 2024. a local police eat organizations. find itself once again, receiving a growing number of emergency calls from the forest. the group has been active since the beginning of the migrant crisis here some way they are looking for missing people for people who will be wondering around for days, often without food soaking, wet and be hydrated in constant fear of being discovered by polish border guards
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and send back to belarus, i accompany him out, a huge co realtor, and 17 year old matt t rush. we back, they proceed to call them pumps hotline and are on their way to help improve if you pins. they want to find them before the board of guards to keep working towards the clearing. i see you head to the left, the we are looking for a moment to is doing it. we will give you more food and some shows and movie, but the for the migrants,
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the clothes and food. but they also want to apply for asylum in poland. because this could at least in theory, keep them from being immediately deported. back to bella luce as an e u. member state pulling this by when to consider all asylum applications. it is yes. yeah, that is for everyone. this is about the procedures about the projection golden along so you don't don't move okay. just for your protection to the the group is letters of the forest and liter handed over to the border guards who must officially register their applications. the ethiopians were stuck in the border region for 3 weeks. one of them retains what they saw on the forest. on my way here, i saw some data bodies like tubal data bodies in the jungle
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i saw in the polish forest a so kind of an a human 2nd listen and also uh on the 11th for that. and i certainly will love that to infinity, which funds we found you that says something about this issue. hon. us, the lovely, the did. rudy will be the did the body with the 5th communities estimates for the volunteers if i were to search for the body says 2021. the remains of at least 40 people have been assigned on the polar side of the border. more than $340.00 people being reported missing and their own 10 percent of those are still being actively searched for the one of them is mohammed saba.
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the is journey began in 2021 in airfield capital. the curtis and region sent me a tournament region in northern erac. despite political stability, the region struggles with corruption and an unemployment rate of nearly 40 percent . many young people leave their homes to try to reach you at legally, the mohammad grew up in this neighborhood with his parents and siblings. he was 22 when he left for belarus. at the time, the overland route to unit was considered less dangerous than crossing the mediterranean. the little i had an outside taken home. it has wanted to go abroad since he was 15. us
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the many father sally, all the young people here talk about immigrating with guns, who i'm calling about when you as young as mohammed and everyone around you is constantly talking about nothing else. we're leaving the country, we start takes hold of you and you can't get rid of it. i can't understand why they want to live in a foreign country. i don't think it's worth it. until the without him. my house feels empty. they go to so he told us there was nothing for him to do here. we should be worked
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in a fruits store and got very little money for it and the system how much so no future here, no prospect for those. it was hard for him. close as the goose diminished to the chicken with beans. holla was his favorite food fast through the state because those find the outer was a couple of them, couldn't do. this is a picture from the day we said good bye to him by god. when he left my heart was restless of the combined. yeah, some of the smugglers are not good people. we can't trust them. the not i blame myself a lot. i should have never allowed him to leave. but i didn't realize how dangerous his journey would be. but on this end of this, every day saba has signing sophia rashid hope for news from europe. he refused to give up hope that their son is still alive. but despite an intensive search
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that are new definite, leads on the way to buy some homage sapa. i'm back on the road with volunteers from pop, the eat organization. witnessing their search for missing persons in the pollution pollution border, the desktops. we often received information that someone has not contacted their relatives and needs help . members, nissan, somebody, we mustn't ignore any reports. this is a matter of life and death because you're not below come as you keep which i'm p o trots oven. i've received support from slovakia and activists. we are looking for a missing egyptian man who disappeared without a trace here in northeastern poland 3 days ago. saw tusa between 3540 or salt,
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who throws up in blue. the pharmacy caused him side. so we'll go show child size. we kind of find the body of someone fearless, know the gold with us, but the sight even. when's the next to the about the the phone or some documents that don't touch those patches and working with stock. that's 10 steps. one of the got there and go into a straight line. okay. okay. okay. the uh city high school today, we got new information from his brother them. unfortunately, we know that she was mistreated by the bell, rou, sealants, and he was chronically ill. luckily he had no medication because we're afraid that we might be too late when you called us at
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the contact. we know that the family hasn't heard from him for a while, and it was, or that's why we filed a missing persons report with the police again, and it's already been looking for him. hopefully by now. however, foolish authorities hardly ever carrier to lindsey and systematic search for missing persons. it is local volunteers who pick up the slack. why are you doing this here in the show because the state is doing too little because the author already is the doing next to nothing. and none of the beach you monetary and organizations are active here in front of the u. n. h, the not the you end up with a go on we the inhabitants of philosophy, i have been left a line from the very beginning of the clean up or something. just concerned with the short condition. we
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managed to find a few people alive. sometimes someone you're looking for recently discovered dr. wild beat in a billers in prison or sometimes somewhere in gemini, but many searches and with no results. that's the case with mohammed sub well, i'm, it is one of those missing migrant still being searched for years after his disappearance . his uncle re code rashid and london is in close contact. productive as your truck chart on these one pita i he's malibu, then they def i told the police and then he, they signed me say if any news you're kind of going back to where i like find me. you know, i never forget that because they done the thing for us with the interest help re co travel to poland in july 2022 to search for traces of his nephew
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9 days who was walden tries will avery, when we go to the board, the date is league did when these guys are missing was the fluid is flat. and then that time i last called photo. then maybe he's died on his journey rico did receive one important piece of information for the police station. we make a statement of police told me we are, is this guy when they will. they push him a few days before the missing i understand these guy. he came to illegal but why? you didn't put it back for it. ok is always, you know, county because this guy, nothing to do was the letters mohammed saga was the portrait to billers. how do these deportations work? drawing me, how about uh, a polish border guard on his patrol. if the border should have done both of give
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him a nice to also for this morning around a dozen migraines tried across the border, but we're still looking for 2 of them, but we'll definitely find them soon on this or so because we're also monitoring to other groups that are currently behind the border fence. so we're on permanent alert. complex you need most of the, the tool to do on the atmosphere is tense attacks and border guards are increasing at the beginning of june. a polish soldier was stop to death, cause i be or to what extent is the delivery scene regime involved and what is happening here on the border about so should say that they say that i need somebody to go to school, we shouldn't forget. so that's the only the routine security forces i have access to the border area. so the talk to explain to everyone else is there with the express concerns about the routing and authorities. the, so somebody, me very, facilitate the transportation of migrants to the border and help them across the border, illegally, easy, my old sees migration movements were artificially created and controlled from the
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very beginning. i'm you could also use this could overall nice to the one a sports fan, but the photo about the so far this year, so we registered about $22000.00 attempts to cross the border, illegally prevent an increase compared to last year. the most migrants are sent back to billers and digitally after crossing the border. these push backs violate the charter of fundamental rights, which grants those seeking protection, the right to apply for asylum. the polish government then headed by the right wing p, i s legalize push backs back in 2021. the current liberal government under donald tusk is sticking to the practice everything quiet? yes. there was something this morning wasn't there in the system to me. you guys. all right, okay,
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so i'm going to, here's the publish border post bill over there at the bellows here in one of the but i'm on the small gates, so different technical maintenance extensive are they use for push backs or does that happen somewhere else in the we use a different term we talk about repatriation. so the most of the time it will also but the fact the sphere to the person to facto state. so they want to continue to western europe. i emailed me to germany will say it will be returned to belarus. today's the website is to the country. they enter legally involuntarily providing you the return takes place at a location that is safe for the person that most people across the board or are returned. they know about it and accept it. so the, everything we do is done within the framework of polish law. you want me to put on my ski. we'll put our
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eat organizations have reported cases in which people asked for asylum in poland were deported to bella roost, push bags illegal even under the polish interpretation of the law. as a result, people in the far as trying to avoid border guards, people like sight, the egyptian was be missing for 3 days. it's about a bunch of people are very afraid of pushback that says the chip sion was travelling with a group to see if i had called an ambulance for him. the board of guns would have come immediately back. i use that perhaps the most likely the guns would have taken the activella ruse. oh, the returning his companions probably promised him that they would send help as soon as they was safe themselves. that's why they lifted within the forest that was wrong. so i suppose, as the sun's done, the of the minds what now walking once around the like,
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parallel to the shore, the, there are still 2 kilometers to go. the price, the and there's a new jeep to. so you discovered many of the missing people were pushed back, didn't you? so much. so at the image is a study perspective i need to, yes, i think executive as of the does again shows on the list. these are the consequences on all these cases have to do with push backs in one way or another, the nimble opening because if they were not pushed back, injured people would report to the police board of god voluntarily. should this testing been tonight, reviewed with a guarantee that everything necessary would be done to check whether they are entitled to a silence. i'm not sure whether they need to be deported so they can put it in a civilized manner into the countries of origin. and they'll kindly jose, and then these people would not end up in salaries in forest would replace couple
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of the you in germany, see what's happening here so that they think it's fine for people like mohammed to be thrown across the hold up. just get an answer for polish activists cases like these or missing persons at the border or a direct result of the push back policy. to eat organizations report that push backs or even being carried out from hospitals bought some more migrants are pressured to withdraw their asylum applications pop, active as of film polish border guards as they appear to deport unconscious people to belarus through the small gates and the border fence the
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seems like a visual to the store on this. those are going to say is there are accusations that push bags by the border. guards are the reason why there are so many missing people is of it. that's how a saw the and that's the one to be able to go to the, to the one that being. so 1st of all, i would like to emphasize most of polls and over 90 percent of residents in the border communities want to secure a border of science. so i'm going to need to need to and no one who is in contact with the border guards has died or gone missing. and you're going to see at the should it should be a success or something like this happened. it was precisely because this person avoid in contact with the border guards because of their own recklessness of people's voss and business in austin. so it's an issue the most you polish police have confirmed that mohammed saba was deported back to bela roost on november 29th, 2021. more than 10 months later, pop active as forwarded a video to read code. rashid and london. a video recorded by the publish border
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guards. could you show me? yes or video? the baby i know is my my nephew, this is when it can is when a sub a he called me the 1st time he saw the the jacket he said i would for him to to check it with some forensic experts. uh yeah, we did. they did, should we property we know our son is a if you have child a know is your chat. since mom's parents can't get a visa re coat is in charge of the search in europe. the family members are in
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constant contact. that is how are you saw that she? how are you? read couch less. you're the reporter as what hope is this video given you? my light, it's made me optimistic. i haven't heard from my son for 10 months. there was no trace, but i asked him, i was afraid that he had died in the forest at the border. long after 10 months k, god gave me hope again, which i was the video from the border fence raised new questions for the family. rico tried in vain to get answers from the polish border guards. the 5th thing they said is we took him to host, show us a proof. they didn't give us. and then after that then they said to have the issue, we spoke with suggestion investing and then in a folder money they,
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they reply to out they have this possible us say they told us he's a back and then the end eventually they didn't be nice. ok, he wasn't how much believe push him back? when i ask the border guards, don't give me any information about the man's identity either. they see he had no papers on him. how difficult is it for you to know if this was kind of uncertainty because they don't know what happened to an issue if i believes to life because of that 6 of october, 2022 with a 100 percent 100 person 100 percent. this guy was same on the scenes. i didn't know before. i believe he's even further on, but no more my my mind in been advertising. maybe he's there because they pushing
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back to the other side maybe isn't. is invalid, maybe even know 100 percent. the lucas shingle regime provides very little information about what is happening in the border region with poland or requests from a how much family via the iraqi embassy and poland also lag nowhere. that's why i'm going to warsaw to visit lucian human rights activists in europe. rooney's kaya the exile works for the interview. human comes down to which collects information on missing persons in belarus. on monday we have name when we have seen this thing and now then we says what type of information recast image case? and then we'd have information like the message itself, like for example, to weeks and photos with a close to the following is i would flip into what uh,
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this is a clip i have received from a family member of a missing person from, from the same song is it possible that someone disappears for 10 months without getting any sign and $10.00 in bell at all? so we don't have a special detention center for 4 months. so any for them that, that, that would be the thing would be kept in uh, within that a printout of detention center. then not allowed to communicate with outside the world. uh uh, in see it is possible, the person could be detained. the answer it called the visa. no one would know about this uh and a in our system that you could visit for. and that would be the day for up to one year. whether mohammed sava was ever imprisoned and beller roost remains
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uncertain. the interview, the family continues to wait for news from europe. all hope is pin. don't rake out . visits regularly. the parents have not heard from their son since the mysterious video from the border fence. where is mohammed? there are many unanswered questions and there is no clarity. my question why he came to on the oil on the fence and he's missing where he was. in 10 months time. what happened was him after the pushing back after the video of the board defense and merged in the fall of 2022, the family finding new hope and then is this the
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similar the most i bought these new things back then i b o b. that's good about that was about 10 months ago a bit. so we were hoping that he would come back and where they move close and then them is that them just? yeah, that's what he didn't where any of them the scanner always does. i'm going to do extra home that his dad i accepted. just tell me he's dead. i want to know lam uh i like to have a lovely. i thought we will not let go of our boy. i mean, as long as we're alive, we'll wait for him to come home before monday. the. well i am, that's all we can do to home on the pain that i guys the rico rashid has been to poland 4 times since his nephew disappeared.
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there is enormous pressure on him to finally find out what happened at the polish bella, russian border. and the main best thing last time we need to create a new d m. waters. on this case, my nephew case had come to your account that is empty, but i want to get with the results. so by the, even by the result i, i want to get these doors. when is exhausting, not far from the border. recurrent means active as of trust on serves as his proxy with polish authorities. i live, uh, yeah. okay. so his dad. okay. the paint good. how are you? yeah, i'm good. you think you know so, so how parents? well some of the state and the same. so the able to, they the last call for them because it's, they towed a we couldn't find one
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a song as a, are there any ongoing investigations by coalition authorities? feels a bit of general mohammed the i asked mohammed's family to provide it in a sample. and send it to the polish police at their own expense, the goals, the post on the polar side will unidentified bodies and skeletons have been and a still being found, shotwell, but so far the police have not been able to identify any of the bodies using the dna sample from a home, its family, and an outage in the home of the of the, to be honest, the search for him is that a dead end drug. there is no trace of the boy thoughtful for michael's rico and field trip. take me near the last new location of mohammad. yeah. show me here. i know i think when the, when the last location of mohammed was
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the one to you know, 3 picking them a freaking on that there was something in the russian site site. he received it from uh, from warehouse. it'd be, yeah, no problem. the smuggler from the people who was here also. oh yeah. a sup or the smuggler and the he to just people to said, yeah, i got all of the piece for that. you have to, in the price, you said the kind one of them, the fast one from the other side, but other sites and in 16 of them was one of them was how much the ink that you said they supposed to go to with the nice how you're going to do with the live site and then how much was missing in between them?
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the what date it was taken of, uh, december 1st i was gonna finish with. so uh, before the 29th of november they, they probably temporary employees go versus what i yes. yeah. and then after that somebody again 2 days after he came and he's is happening right. the winter. he is very dangerous. yeah. the oh, does it make you feel to be like so close in this area where waving nephew as has been, well, i feel evaluated. he is going to be 10
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a 5 because it's very quiet area and nobody here. and if you don't have phone, you don't know which location you have to go. and then fluid is seated with snow is oh goose. if i would him, i would be met. we didn't find any other soft. nobody say this, he's more deep. so it's give me a whole, he's new day it we seem to investigate and reach to the asking people the sides. we never sight but how likely are they to get answers from belarus? i asked beller, we see an activist in europe run at sky a. uh, it's not that we um, really can do a lot in this edition, but it's really the problem that uh those relatives come to a top almost not so. and then we are sending the request to state institutions.
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most of the cases we are receiving form of the responses we comp receives a sense of different formation and then function to become prove that then during the deal search for these uh who are missing. over the last 3 years, lucian officials have reported 56 deaths on their side of the border. those are the official numbers. i've been talking with people in the forest who told me that they have seen bodies under that or should side. is it possible that like more on report the cases and you know about, of the, the russian agencies provide. it's need to be understood, the board them area in zillow, so we can festival the set to kill them. it does own, and it's extremely, it is 3. it's only both the clement, the uh, why allowed to go with that. we definitely know that boy, the quantity is not that important about everyone who died
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according to the bad literacy. in the end you at least 16 more deaths were confirmed by the summer of 2024 polish human rights groups. say as likely the number of deaths on their side of the border is also higher. not all families report their cases and contact between the missing persons relatives inactive as often breaks off before anything concrete is find the search for the missing egyptian in the northern border region with belarus is also unsuccessful. the active as called a search off for the day. ok. this we are sending you this mob to the brother and the police station. and they can add it to the documentation. so let's go to the car. ok.
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it doesn't have to have that the so can you can start with we're looking for a needle in a haystack here. the metal craze. as soon as the information we get is often very vague and emphasized, we own, some of us come into the locations that have sent to us from people's memories. uh too, for clients or she's met, we often woke hundreds of kilometers through the for us to find someone. she knows he's got something, but of the terrain is often very difficult. and even if the person is only a 100 meters away from us, we may not be able to find them at the moment when you have managed a few days after the search operation cartridge, you'll not leaves me a voice message. hi, we continued the search until the moment when the man's family informed us that he had turned up on the battle roost inside up owns yet. he contracted the
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family but the weight from a homage. sabbath family continues together with re codes and field trip. i travel to the time was i'm symmetry, info who needs to be the final resting place for some migrants find dad in poland. there is no name, man. is she was dying? no name? yes, but the same time when, well, how much was about the point? they maybe were just somewhat on the way i'm gonna be that are so sorry, i don't even don't mind me. they think they don't source crossing are lots of people who are the people. on the bottom there is a, was funded by us active use. the not man by police. we did
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on our was to inform families. we haven't the same for that as inc. and key, and that will vision. not if com, they'll be took care of now. lots of people. and i know it's not everybody who's missing things and in florida. so i go home. so sorry it's i know it's thankful for, you know, but depending i think it's c 2 and 5, we went fine, but you did close out. what was your digital also for i understand we found these people body here the or the, the past. so you, i think slowly for them, at least the family, they know with the, the child or the they do it or they sent a visa pay it to be so fed, in small kilometers landed between 2 countries. both countries say,
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we don't have any information about team. i mean how i don't understand the 3 years after his disappearance. there is still new clarity about mohammed state. this on certainty weighs heavily on the family. re coat is determined to perceive every leader i do everything for my review. i love my nephew. if i know each day or night does it and is life insurance the way he gave me like that we know is no safe. we blame us. he come to this way, then generate me on mean you to investigate otherwise we can do no choice. we do not have to leave the
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