large numbers of ambulances and the paramedics, that treating people taking them away, the hospitals have been put on a lot in the, and the whole region had to deal with the often most of the mazda of this attack. and as you mentioned at several javin media outlets now have reported that there are 11 debt and we don't know whether that number might go off in the course of the evening. sadly. now police say they have one man in custody. he's the driver of the vehicle and they've been saying that, in fact, he drove up to 400 meters through this crowded christmas market where people obviously must have thought that they could be site these type of christmas markets at now off to a previous attacks on very well protected, generally. so people, i'm suspecting that and the victims of that of this what looks like a pre meditated attack because it's far too early to say what might be behind it.

what might be the motivation about police will certainly be investigating that there's been a certain amount of political reaction as well. a lot shows on x saying that to the seems impact a bag of very bad news and saying that his thoughts, of course, are with the victims of the family assignment. thank you so much for that update. let's turn to those comments from german chancellor. all off schultz as simon has just mentioned his 1st public remarks on these events and marked a board. and he's written on x. the reports from month to board, raise the worst fears. my thoughts are with the victims and their families to and we can speak to huns, yackel schindler, in berlin for another perspective. he is an expert on terrorism. and thank you so much for joining us. this evening. police have told uh the broadcaster m d r that they suspect an explosive device was in the car. what could that mean?

quick, could this have been a much bigger tragedy? oh yes, um. first of all, that has to be a real guy in the security measures for this christmas market. no vehicle of any size, shape or form should be getting close to any christmas box than germany these days . let alone drive 400 me just through the christmas market. so that bought that was a gap, but apparently they were gas canisters, in the boat of the car, what the perpetrators have been able to designate those. we would look at much higher cost if it goes because of the truck notes that would be flying around. it seems to be back the paper tray to is a 50 year old male from saudi arabia, which narrows down a little bit. the potential in the background of this attack, so it cannot conclusively be said that it is very unlike that it's the right thing attack. so it's more likely ace potentially single perpetrate. that may be

a guided id instigated attack by some because the mist organization, it's not clear by which one you just to be clear for audience. could you let us know how we know this information about the suspect of who we also understand handley taken into custody? or yeah, apparently that's what the police have consent. but tell us more about what security measures are in place at christmas markets. many will be thinking back to the last major attack on the market. in berlin, in 2016. what has changed since then? well, the attack practically what down the street in dialing the celebrations or the call name a ration this was just yesterday. and since that time, of course, it was very clear that christmas markets as old lots gatherings are in not just generally in europe. our target the had the vehicle attacked in the same year as in

berlin, in the summer of june, 14th of july, 2016 in nice. during the past few days that operations they have. so it's clear that you have to physically secure these type of events and usually they are. so it's really bad as a big question of how these vehicles could get close on on to the christmas. and for those who are just joining us, where their warnings of attacks on christmas markets in germany, i had a s. what authorities have been looking out for something like this? yes, apparently the individual has not been on any carol list or is limits list according to the police. however, it is absolutely clear that i guess i'll try it on it. but also on it is the miss groups had threatened the tax on christmas markets, not just germany, but anyway in your local authorities have said this was probably an attack. if indeed, that is confirmed in your view as a term,

as an expert whose signature does this fair that you think the problem is the instruction material? this is the hallmark i asked the tax use. your car was one of the messages that i already put out in 2017 based instruction materials available on social media spill . unfortunately, available on social media on how to do these things. so obviously anyone with an internet access can see this material. and if he or she wants to contact, in fact, learn how to do it. but the specific instigation this year was really i s, and all that is limits groups. given the widespread availability of instruction manuals, as you suggest, can such attacks like this be prevented? is there always going to be a risk like something that something like this could happen in germany? the risk of something like this, by your cargo in the christmas market should actually be excluded if the security

concepts work as they did. for example, the much lots of fun models during the are being football championship in germany. nothing can happen because there is physical barriers surrounding this event and surrounding the big group of people. so that must have been a gap. yeah, and the physical security measures, potentially because there is some trump that goes through the christmas markets that prevented the whole market to be closed off. but this should not happen. this is a very, very known scenario. this is a scenario that has been to stitch with a security measures to prevent such a thing that must have been a gap or mistake. so as you mentioned, there was a successful euros health here in germany over the summer. you see this then really as a failure of german security to secure this christmas market despite at known risks of an attack to unfortunately, it looks that way. i mean, there is of course,

always the potentiality of a single perpetrate that as we have seen, drastically consorting in the summer taking an ice. this scenario is extremely hard to prevent if at all, but taking your car on the christmas market is really this should be like the one on one. so security measures, this should not have happened. and just to paint a picture for those watching from home when one visits a christmas market in germany, what kind of security measures would you see or perhaps not see that should be in place to protect people? well, there are several layers of security. number one, there is the physical barriers and you can see it is quite a piece the on the street. these are the concrete barriers that prevent exactly is an area like this. um, any b goes, shouldn't be close to any christmas market. at this point of the year, and then there are the least visible ones. there's a of course,

a much higher presence of police throughout the market, uniform and uniformed to make sure that if you are talking about the knife attack, the reaction time is minimum. and then of course, the is the monitoring of the online sphere to make sure that any chopped out on the potential attack planning gets picked up in here. we don't have the, the battery is continuing the battery as for the german security services, who many comes through these kind of online planned attacks. really lots we do depend on forms that isn't particularly the americans in other european services who have the lead in framework to money to are these communications far more wildly then the dram security services. and we do just have an updates coming in the state premier has now confirmed to data to have been killed on this attack. on the christmas market in monterey park has teller what kind of reaction do you expect we

might see from us. the word is going forward. mean 1st of all, we will have to have a discussion, very detailed discussion, not necessarily a public one on what were the security measures. and how did this cock it onto the christmas market? i think that's number one. number 2, of course the police is now making sure that this is hopefully trespassing the perpetrator, but having an explosive device or gas canisters and the costs could potentially meaning at help. and there is a small network. um, then we will have to have a discussion on what are we going to be able to do to go forward to prevent things like this need the physical presence need to be increased? of course, we need to again continue to discuss what uh, the abilities and the legal abilities office security services to morning on monday to online chapter to also pick up perpetrators as this seems to have being. while

i'm not already known to the police. and in that, i'm afraid there's going to be a bit of a political fallout if the nationality of the perpetrator is confirmed and this is indeed and is live, is background the are going to have again and migration debates. something exactly what the terrace is. if this is a organized test attack, want to achieve paula relation, fear of the population and the political class getting at each other's throats is exactly what they mean to achieve such attacks. well, thank you so much for joining us with your expertise that as a terrorism expert tunzia collection. there we appreciate your time this evening. thank you very much. and back across to our correspondence, simon young in berlin for an update. simon, what more can we say at this stage as well, could i have just bringing together what we've already been reporting at? clearly what looks like very much looks like

a deliberate attack against the christmas market in the city of magda bags and city of poplar 1000000. people, the capital of the eastern states of saxony and how at hand this christmas market was being held right in the center of town at many families, many people that this friday evening just before christmas i had a call that traveled. well, police are saying at least 400 meters at through this market. so clearly a massive security breach that is left well. media reports a varying and new numbers are coming out, i should say all the time. this is still very much a breaking story, a but at least to date, and perhaps some more according to many media reports. certainly, i think we can say there are many people in jude, many of them, seriously hospitals in the city. and indeed, in the whole region, i want to let to receive people and already dealing with some of the injured at it

looks like a delivers attack at. and as we've been saying this is i'm down to play a prompt, a at a. now the resurgence of the debate about what jim and he needs to do to try and secure it's population in the face of the tara incidents. if this is what this turns out to be. so i'm it, as you say, a 2nd person confirmed that after that driver plowed into the german christmas market, thank you for your reporting and bringing this up to speed with the very latest from berlin to refrain. that's all we have time for that is our news update f as our for the latest headlines. don't forget. you can check out our website a, d, w dot com or follow us on social media or handle there. at dw news. for the very least, i'm clear, richardson and berlin, thank you so much for watching. the

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