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gets that as you know, that basically a cultural institution here in germany not only visited by germans before christmas, but also by taurus from around the world. so it just particularly sensitive that you have this kind of attack at the christmas market, only a few days before christmas. and now we've heard that there will be additional security as christmas markets in the wake of this particular attack. but what does that mean? specifically? i mean, if you say that there's already a lot of security at these markets, what more can be done without completely restricting them more police presence? that's something that we're already seeing. for example, here in berlin also inhaler. they've already announced that they're going to increase police presence, for example, access roads. they're also going to look at access routes and how to protect those better. so there are concrete immediate measures that can be taken. one thing is an immediate measure. another thing is a more long to measure so that other discussion will involve political decisions because that is particularly important. yeah. are all right. thomas's?
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we've been speaking. we're now seeing live pictures of german chancellor. all of schultz who has now arrived in the city of mocked bird. he is walking through the city center close to where the attack took place. we do expects him to make some remarks to the media in a short while. absolutely, and we're seeing tons of the order of choice that also with nancy phase, the german interior minister with regional authorities as well from the regional states. and this is something that is very important from the governments perspective. the german trying to love the german interior minister had already expressed the solid diety of shortly after the attack happened. but there's always these kinds of situations pressure for them to show that solidarity in person for them to go to where the attack actually happened. and then also give a statement. the statement is expected in a, in a few minutes. and interesting from that statement will be to see whether they also
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say something more about the investigation on which way the investigation is going to be handled. so that's why you see that the interior minister, that's why you see the tons that i think the justice minister is also there. so 3 members of the drum and cabinets that are going to play a very important role when it comes to not only finding that's motivation, but specifically about understanding what political implications this might have. we also of course, have to remember that all of sholtes just the last confidence votes, which triggered the early elections, which will be taking place in february. thomas, how much supports does all of schultz have actually magda berg? are people going to be welcoming his arrival in the city? how is he perceived by the people there? it's important that you mentioned this mariana because one way of looking at this one way of analyzing this is for the security lance or the security perspective. but another way of looking at this is definitely by understanding that this is the
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old place into the political campaign that we're already seeing. the elections are in 2 months. those are the elections that you refer to. so when you have high renting politicians, attend this christmas market show that sort of direct to express that concern and so on. they're not only doing that in the capacity as government officials. there's also the message behind that they want to share ahead of those elections that they're taking this into the, into the bit taking charge of base that they're looking at possible consequences and so on. i, in the particular case of olives, thoughts on his part to the social democrats. they're not doing very well in the polls here in germany. so this is a way in which the consulate can show that he's the job and consulate that he's that to show that will 40 that he's there with the interior minister there with the justice minister on the basically that he wants to make sure that these things don't happen again, right? these, that securities increase so much that they're made difficult. so one lens is from the security perspective,
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the government perspective. another lens is looking at this through the sort of election campaign perspective. and it's important we have to stress all parties. so not only the social democrats, as of the social democrats being the party of the drum and johnson, not only the social democrats, but all other parties represented in the german parliament, are already positioning themselves on the main topics on the agenda. and one of the main topics on the agenda has been security and i firmly believe that off to this, it will be an even bigger topic for politicians to discuss. and where does the s p d find itself when it comes to security? maybe you can explain to our international viewers, the different political parties and what their position is when it comes to securing germany. well, actually security has been debates also among politicians on political parties, especially after another security incident that happened in august and the west and german city of zoning. and that was a nice attack. and that led to various but to take measures to deal with security
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issues. so for example, one of the concrete measures that was implemented also here in the christmas markets was for the people were not allowed to carry specific knives. so knives a toll into the christmas markets and this is something of the german chancellor specifically defend. it doesn't measure that have to be conducted on. okay, security is probably not the top issue that germans are concerned about, especially in the last few weeks you had the economy, you had other aspects as well. but i can't imagine that security will now become a much bigger issue and the different parties they say from the conservative part of the political spectrum to the more less leading part of the political spectrum. they will begin to position themselves on the one hand, when it comes to what security measures are going to be taken into consideration in the next few weeks. but on the other hand, how they plan to improve security overall in germany. because there's also an idea of, of, of security perception. so in other words, how people believe that security is actually guaranteed. so those are important
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elements for now, if you look from the conservative side of the political spectrum, there is a little bit of a push towards much stricter security. it'll be interesting to say to see how they link that push to this specific attack in mac, the book, and also how the pots you of, or left the choice of the social democrats position themselves in the next few days . so thomas, we have also, as you've been speaking, watching live pictures there of the visit of the german chancellor to the city of magda burg. where on friday evening driver rammed his car into a busy christmas market killer. strict migration policy. by the way, not only by members of the far right, but also especially from the conservative block as well, although there's a difference between the 2. but nevertheless, this was used in the past by these parties. in this particular case, it could be a little bit different because indeed the main suspect is an immigrant. indeed, the main suspect comes from on saudi arabia. indeed,
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the main suspect hot refugee status here in germany, from the information that we've been able to gather. but the fact is that he supported at least from the social media posts that's several media outage reveal, he supported the far right of the. so it will be interesting to see how the, the positions themselves, whether they still view this issue of immigration as being very critical. specifically, in this case, whether they still use that element to defend their own political views, or whether they take a little bit of a step back and distance. because they know ultimately that the man who's suspected of carrying out there's a time was actually a supporter of the party. so one thing will be to see how i've chose this party, the social democrats before most within the next few days, how he positions himself when it comes to security. it will also be interesting to see, for example, how the, the looks at this and to what extent they tap or they use these aspects to actually see if they can benefit it for their own political gains. that is still unclear, at least from my understanding of this point. well, interestingly,
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we also know that uh section on halt, which is where the said this federal state where the managed word is, is known as a strong hold of the a s d. and this man, uh, also according to the initial information that we have lived in a town very close to maggie to burg insights to me on how to thomas and what kind of an impact could have been have for the of these campaigning. if we find out that the attacker was somehow supportive of their party and their politics, but one element that i think is also important to mention that's not exclusive to germany, is that when there's an impression, when there's a feeling that does that society is going through difficult times difficult economic times difficult political times when there's a sense of insecurity among the population. fluoride parties tend to benefit. so there is a sense and they will be a sense among at least parts of the population. that's for example,
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christmas markets, not as secure as they should be. and that is something that i do expect the f b i the far right party and germany will tap into that idea of it's time for this to stop. it's time for a political change to happen in germany because the country is going in the wrong direction. so that is one thing that i do believe will be part of the, of these political campaigning in the next few days. this idea that they've already, by the way, expressed in the past that the only real political change can happen if people vote for them. it will be important to see in the next surveys in the next polls coming up in the next few weeks to what extent a bit the, the benefits from this or with the government specifically. but also, for example, the opposition, conservative block c, d, u c is you managed to take that narrative awake. they managed to really present alternatives so that people can feel that even though the situation is difficult,
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even though the situation is insecure, that the spot is the social democrats or the conservative block have proposals at hand that possibly can improve the situation. so that's why i say, undoubtedly that's one of the elements in the next few days that we will be looking at is to what extent the issue of security becomes more prominent to the political debate. and thomas talk us through what happens in a situation like this when there is an attack and the suspect has been arrested. what is the procedure for investigators who is involved and what steps are taken? so the issue of security when these kinds of incidents happen is 1st and foremost, regional issues. so local regional authorities begin the investigation and it's only at the time when a thought is believe that there is a lot of public interest or when they might be a political motivation or religious motivation or any other kind of motivation that the topic becomes much bigger and that's when the federal authorities then begin to
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play a more important role. so it begins at the local, regional level that expands into a much broader level if the situation merits, that kind of attention. we're seeing here that it doesn't married that kind of attention. because if it wasn't politically relevant, if it weren't very relevant from a political and security perspective, then probably the government johnson, the german in 2 minutes and the german justice minister wouldn't be knocked above. so that's why this is something that has now left the regional local realm if you want. and it's definitely something that will have political implications at a much broader level. and again, that's why to go back to the beginning of what we discussed. it's so important to identify the political implications, but also the motivation that the suspect might have had because it's when that motivation is identified. it's when that motivation is clearly based on fact that then the authorities can identify what kind of political measures in each and
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we are waiting for the chancellor to make a few remarks to the press in magda. work in the coming our tom is what types of things might the chancellor be saying? what do you think his message would be? so i imagine on the 1st hand, he will again show. he started directly again show his concern. but he will also very probably indicate the federal authorities a going to be helping with the investigation to kind of fight exactly what happened . that was the double use correspondent thomas sparrow. thank you so very much for all of your insights as we continue to monitor this developing story. you're up to date and dw news, a marion evan stains from me and the entire news team in berlin. thanks for watching the for the fremont house on this house in northern germany. my grandmother emigrated
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