stops on sunday is rarely troops withdrawal from densely populated areas of garza and that means the release of dozens of is really hostages and of hundreds of palestinian prisoners. all the while aged trucks weight of the roof of buddha into garza ready to bring some relief to the strips desperate population. the moment the deal is done. many dozens say they want to stop rebuilding as soon as possible. i'm a new kids mckinnon in belin, and this is the day the, the 75 percent of the buildings fully our parts will be destroyed. you have no economy, no infrastructure, no education, nor healthcare. right now you're done. i will talk monday because everything, the hospice destroying enough to, to restrict are we like the way there is no way outcome unless this is an

opportunity to realize that of sense determination of the policy is the cause of the issue and not just as the symptoms of the best medicine is peace. so let the healing beacon also coming up one of the wells most popular apps could disappear from screens in the united states. off the supreme court upheld a little that could see took talk found in the matter of days. it's more than just an app for me, it's my job, it's my loving livelihood. it's the biggest platform that i have. i feel like without it, like, it's hard to identify myself without to talk that sounds. so i'm serious to a lot of people, but it's really serious to me. the welcome to the day is people in the middle east and across the world, wait for a sci fi deal between israel and homos to take effect people in the gulf. the strip

are increasingly turning to the question, what is next for them of the 15 months of will and tens of thousands killed, wounded and displaced. the territory lies in ruins and its people unlikely to be dependent on international release aid for years to come. it is a massive task ahead and most of the population dealing with deep pro oma from the experience of the past 15 months. but many of those who have survived all welcoming the sci fi deal and are eager to begin rebuilding their lives as soon as possible. we're very happy to hear this news. i was very happy. hopefully there won't be any more war planes or strikes from the 1st day of the truth and people will be able to sleep with these. and hopefully everyone can go back to their homes and we'll see our loved ones and our families and friends that hopefully sunday will bring us joy and happiness put up on a solid. me like that. when i get done, i will talk monday for new because everything behind was destroyed and our future

district to be like the way to do that. we've had been a new furniture from scratch. and i'm joined now by jonathan plus l. a. senior public affairs and communications officer at the international center of justice, the palestinians in london. welcome to dw jonathan holmes schools, hospitals, infrastructure, they will lie in ruins of to israel is offensive in gone. so can you talk to us about what it's going to take to rebuild the territory? thanks very much for having me on. and so i think the 1st thing to say is that it's a relief of cools and ari cautious relief the off the 15 months. it appears that base trans side is going to come to an end. i'll see say, i totally agree, but the 1st step is the amount of tiring aids to come in as quickly as possible. that's going to be a whole host of logistical challenges when it comes to that. i mean,

we are hearing that $680.00 trucks are going to have to come in. so we're ready likely to be very insufficient. we've seen the israel has been blockading age, so the last 15 months and that needs to come to an end. and also when it comes to the roads themselves in real far in particular, the right infrastructure has been completely destroyed. he's said politics aside, even the logistical questions of guessing the site and it's going to be very difficult. but as you say, every aspect of life has being estimates is in gossip bakery is being destroyed, the health care in the structure has been decimated. and we're talking about how students returning to that holmes. but for many that will not be a hinds come back to. so we'll just go challenges when it comes to see this to monetary and aids is absolutely massive. jonathan, the destination obviously is, is without question. i do just need to say that of course the is there any government rejects the claim of genocide is obviously be no legal ruling yet. and

it's something that still being investigated by the international court of justice . but just to come back to what you was saying, i mean, gaza is listed with debris, bummed out buildings, but could collapse. and of course has tons of unexploded ordnance. so as you'll saying, goals is want to go back home, but how dangerous all these areas that goes into now beginning to return to, as i say, yes, as you say we're, we're in the legal organization and we find very closely the instructional criminal goals and the instructional close of justice and that give them a closed book and sides, but the judges of science and that applies great thing about the reason why we use this time. i appreciate the qualifications that you'll making when it comes to the grounds. situation that is going to be so much the is going to go on for so so long for now. say for instance landmines that remain in place. the 5 of the health care system is obsolete estimates its meaning that those who always will not be able to

receive house help immediately. and those with long awesome conditions diabetics such as myself in gaza have not happy and so, and that needs. and the long lasting impact, in fact, is going to be massive. say, we've seen this report in the lancet of the death toll being in the 6000s. but in fact, when it comes to the non traumatic, that's the games continue off to cease fire. we need to be very, very realistic about how dia, the situation will continue to be, even if everything goes smoothly and we to finally, as we hope to get to a cease fire in some night, as you say, it's not just the buildings destroyed. does it means 46000 palestinians believed has been killed, if not more thousands of grieving, grieving families and truly nice children. so talk to us about the psychological scars it can you help us understand the psychological skills that will be left

behind by this conflict? and how and how back can be dealt with. oh, absolutely, yeah. so as he say, entire families has been wiped out, but in many cases i've met many families in london, for instance, is has thousands of that family members killed him down. so the impact of that is unimaginable. i'm supposed to volume is best so much trauma, especially those with feeling amputations who have life changing the entries. but yeah, i think when we're talking about the psyche on the mental impacts moving forward, what we really need to think about is the accountability. because if we're going to have tree peace, if we're going to have tree reconciliation and if we don't have true justice, i think what size of the house of baths is accountability? b is rarely politicians and will say the israeli lead is of the i t s, the chain of come on to responsible for this destination of cause and this

disruption in the life of the palestinian people. and that's why these are restaurants issues and that, and you're going to learn so, so important indians national criminal cools. it's why the international courts of justice genocide, case, the south africa is taken forward is 7 pollutants. because if we want to see this justice, and if we want to begin to make even the slightest progress on this collective trauma for the palestinian peoples, that is what's going to light the heart of it mass. what's going to be side crucial and looking. so the still, what do you think of the chances of a 2 state solution of a, a silver and an independent states of palestine? a it's a very, very important question. i mean, absolutely no one has a christabel in this regard. i think that the very 1st question is i'm trying that we don't get ahead of ourselves in that this ceased by wax. so, you know, right now we need to ensure that the israeli government on the mass of bodies by

the terms of the ceasefire. but as we begin to move forward is absolutely monetary night comes in as the account's bill is he for the path to trace this is matt off to that. as you say, we need to be looked into the long term. what's being missing for size so long is the self determination of the palestinian people. it lies at the heart of this issue at the ops we crux. unfortunately for so long, the power steering people seems to be amongst the few in the wells who seems to be exempted from this right to self determination. and if we want to see tree peace, if we want to see true justice, we need see the lifting of this occupation across palestine, not just in dollars that i've seen this nation coast just as, as rules. the occupation is a legal we need see that listing. we need to see the self determination of the palestinian people lying hoss if the question and then we can begin to look at a true last thing piece with justice at the top. something ssl,

senior public affairs and communications of the, at the international center of justice of palestinians from some thank you so much for your time. i, i thank you very much. i'll take tlc is one of the world's most popular social media apps and in just 2 days from now, it could be banned in the united states where there are an estimated 170000000, tick tock he uses in a re unanimous decision. the supreme court has upheld a sunday deadline for the chinese owned app to be sold to an american buyer will be banned from app stores and internet sites. the bypasses on legislation was passed by congress last year and signed them to little by president guy by mid fees that americans data could be access. i'm misused by the chinese government, posing national security risks. but now both the outgoing, i'm the incoming administrations seem to have the doubts,

the bite and white house says it will not enforce the ban. and leave that too soon to be president. donald trump, the president to lex who wants advocates of taking action against it. talk takes office a day off to the band is set to come into effect. trump, how signals he's keen to find a solution, to keep tick, tock up and running. but he says he needs more time. for ordinary american tech talk, he uses anxiety is growing about what will happen on deadline day, or i'm not too heavily dependent on that platform, but i know, and it has given me a lot of value, at least for research, information. marketing is a different thing, but i know lot of people benefit from it and so i think it's a long term. it would do more harm than good, but it's more than just an app for me, it's my job, it's my loving livelihood. it's the biggest platform that i have. i feel like without it, like, it's hard to identify myself without to talk. that sounds so i'm serious to

a lot of people, but it's really serious to me because like it's like where i found all my, all my friends and a great community. so i feel like on the 19th when i wake up, it's gonna feel different, right? because i always wake up with my phone like, you know, john, take talking, what's new, but using the 9th, you're going to get that. and i feel like, i don't know, i'm doesn't have to go to youtube or instagram or something. and to talk more about this, i am joined by susan ariel are in some the founder and director of the digital trade and data governance hub in washington. d. c. welcome to the w, susan. it's great to have you on the program. can i ask you what you so much? what do you think is likely to happen on sunday? the deadline for the tech told to be sold or band and what might possibly happen in the meantime as well. so you probably heard the president elect, trump had a talk with premier, she and a some 100 grand bargain seems to have been reached. as you may know,

the united states congress could vote to resend t n t r, which is a program that we have for normal trade relations, which means that you treat every nation equally. if the united states were to revoke that, we could put on ridiculously high tariffs upon china and, and that would be quite hurtful at this time for the chinese economy and for the global economy. um, you know, no one here knows. but that is a very trumping an inclination to create such a grand bargain. and i think that many people in his upcoming in ministration understand the dangers on hand of not addressing. take talk because of this simple hoford's platform. so get plenty of blow back. if it is to be abandoned, there have been several different bids for it in the united states. i am deeply

worried to somehow it is given to you on most to work with. he already has too much of the americans attention, but we shall say, can i ask? you see, there are other why so many position seems has had a change of heart towards tech to come and obviously trump and bite and originally back to action against took talk. and as you'll saying now, there's this move sort of to, to come out in favor of the app. uh, what was it, but changed? i would say nothing change, frankly, this is something that i write a lot about. i am also co p. i of the stuff in this trustworthy institute and i, what i monitor closely is the relationship of data and data governance to a i. and frankly, us policy makers did not make a very effective case outlining the potential national security risk of tick tock.

because of the truth is any government, any firm operating in china must adhere to china. chinese law and chinese law requires that if the government ass it to share died and the servers that firm, whether it's citibank, or levi's or ford motor company, must share that data. just hold on for, go ahead please. no, go ahead. and so the american companies have the exact same problem that tick tock has, right. the problem is these are chinese regulations and us farms want, you know, i, uh, and the us government wants to adhere to chinese law. but at the same time, chinese farms over in the united states must adhere to us law. but here's the problem. the united states has no data protection laws of its own. so we are

totally hypocritical. here. it has been since 1997 that the united states has lacked a clear national rule. we have sec to our rules, but we don't have a national role governing data. so policy makers acting the ways that they can one way as an executive order and another way as laws. and increasingly the united states has put on restrictions on data for national security reasons. that those are good reasons, but the public doesn't understand them as they don't understand that they are the product that they're data to be used to manipulate them. mm hm. i just wanted to come back to something you were saying earlier, susan, because of course, the full policy and the legislation to settle bond tick, tock know, make, has held hearings, as he said on the alleged danger to national security. we're going to take a listen to was f b either right to christopher a said just a the 2 years ago now come right back to you after that i would say we do have

national security concerns, at least from the fbi i's and about tick tock they include the possibility that the chinese government could use it to control data collection on millions of users or control the recommendation algorithm which could be used for influence operations if they so chose. org to control software on millions of devices. so we had it the, i mean, even if the band was to be delayed and tick tock stays up and running, the security concerns remain remain so, but at the 100 them, the problem is us. right? because tomorrow they will be other apps coming from other adversaries. china is extremely good, deserves the rest of those and increasingly good as a i. and so the threat remains last. we a find new ways to protect personal data which no country,

no firm is adequate at, as you know, right. we are constantly exposed to cybersex hacking cetera, and manipulation. so we don't yet know how to deal with this and we're talking about every year or more and more data. and we know that no data can be effectively a 9 a month. so what do you do? so susan, can i ask you then, what, what do you think us policy makers priorities should be then if you know that should be new rules to govern the use of data that the priority should be to clean our own house and set us rules and then work with our allies on a shared freeflow data rules that protects sensitive personal and government data, which is what the button one of the binding ministration executive orders are, were over. we should not allow the reuse of certain types of personal data and

apps. for example, many apps take without your explicit permission, your contacts, your location, etc. and that should be a legal, the reuse of various types of data without your consent because you and i don't know how data can be used in the future and combined in the future. to manipulate us and i believe data and they are excellent things and they will, they are public goods. they will help people in every countries. many gate problems that we right now cannot solve. but i also believe until you effectively govern data. you will not be able to address these problems. moreover, we need to explain to the american public. the data governance is essential and the collective data that can be a national security problem. isn't there a hour or so new? i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it that i thank you so much for speaking to

us. research professor and director has additional trade and data governments have in washington, dc, susan susan ariel errands, and thank you. speaking the people around the world will be watching next week to see what donald trump does offer. he is sworn in for another time as us president, one place what and trust is. especially kane, is greenland. the incoming us president has said he wants to buy the giant sick island, which currently belongs to denmark, and he's slicing national security reasons. denmark's prime minister method frederickson says she has spoken with the president elect donald trump, and she reiterated that it is up to the people of greenland to decide the future, which could include independence from denmark one day. and as dw correspondent jack park found a house in the islands capital nuke,

many greenland does want nothing to do with trumps initiative. but some of those have signaled some interest majestic, natural beauty, for roach. just the cold, frequently changing weather. the world's attention has landed here in greenland. off the donald trump repeated his idea that the us, what could buy you the country, even send to sun hitting for a photo opportunity with locals. but the foreign policy goals of the new us administration can feel distant to the people we spoke to henry new. it's not a conference of people like united states and lots of people to either. so i'm not interested to people, i'm not a house or a purchase. you concur, i don't know. i'm not sure. i almost don't care. i don't really like this idea as like being part of a like it seems to be part of the united states america. so but like the most i

do like is like i like to work with them. i seeks in greenland amounts and the exploration for lithium uranium and other critical materials is ramping out from says buying greenland is strategic. the us national security against the stride in china and the meadow, some russia. those countries are also exploring for resources in the high all take . right now fishing makes up over 90 percent of greenland exports but green ones biggest employ a currently is the government. 43 percent of the population worked for it and doesn't know tell them as territory of the kingdom of denmark. greenland effectively receives just under $1000000000.00, yours per year from the danish government. so trying to say is that when you speak to people here in greenland, i buy it from this idea to buy that country. the conversation inevitably, i'm frankly, swiftly moves on to being about whether green line should be independent from

denmark. that's a decades long back to here. it's estimated around 2 thirds of green them does would vote to be fully independent from denmark like m. p to know frank, who's campaigning for an independence referendum by 2030 deed. infuse yes. typically welcome a visit by the returning president in the white tice. i really hope he will come here and that he will speak directly to our government and not the government in denmark. we are tired of having a middleman and everything. we want our own sovereignty. we want our right to have our saying in foreign politics, our sales demick has refused to entertain. the idea of the us taking over the greenland people are asking themselves here whether it's from interest will fade away. as of the global issues on the desk of his presidency, the the finally tonight's

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