the city and zip rejected that idea as have key us outlines into saudi arabia and several other countries you're watching ease of use. he'll be back at the top of the hour with mobile news. i hope to see you then the price category is just a thought. see what the market was believes that germany's reluctance to borrow big exemplified by

a constitutionally and try and limits known as a debt break is holding that nothing can happen here without germany. i mean, it's clear and germany will have to take the lead and it will have to be willing to do things that germany's historically opposed concerned about common borrowing a share in common borrowing, common or revenue is, is well known as the debt break, which i think will clearly have to go is probably going to be part of the debating the drum of the election. he thinks a fresher pro from a new german government could provide you with a lifeline. if the german government came forwards and say this is init, bulk of change, we have to be to show the sort of ambition we did in the, wendy you about the ac is it was founded and it was actually the european color

steel community was founded. and then be seen in the fifty's, the single market and the single currency they go to have to show a willingness to do that sort of thing. enrico let's or wants to see your afford to close or single market and 3 specific areas. energy, telecoms, and financial services. he believes a lot can be done in a short space of time without the need for changes to existing the treaties. the be enough coverage and also to pdf those at the beginning of the war the, the russian men conditional to reclaim demonstrate that in with him do it or pm, the treaties. there are a lot of tools that we can use to avoid. and we see complicated discussions on the on preview changes and we have not to open the front door. adults depend on a box of treaty changes because otherwise it would be possible to be successful.

it's clear that some think decisions have to be made here in brussels. and across, but you are being confident to consider some of the key questions on the issues involved. we spoke with pasco, don't know who. he's the president of the oral group, which is the collection of the 20 finance ministers which make up the rules on your own group, president pasco. don't know. thank you very much for speaking to us here on business beyond not at all device to be on your program. now i believe this is the 1st gathering of the oral groups since the re election to the presidency and america of donald trump. my 1st question to you today would be, is your up ready for trump 2.0? so i believe europe will be ready for from 2.0 because we have a track record of being able to adjust to really big strategic developments that takes place south by around the world. but we do have work that we need to do. we need to deepen the foundations of the euro with regard to capital markets with regard to banking union. and we also need to look at what further steps we can take to deepen the competitiveness of european union. as we furnish and develop

a new relationship with the united states, we need to do it from a position of grace of strength that we have at the moment. i definitely want to get into some of those issues of the letter, but just to step back a little bit and we look at events all over the world over the last sort of 5 to 10 years. the world has gotten a lot on friendly or all of a sudden, i mean, we can look at russia, we can look at china, it's a different strand of issues, but nonetheless, considerably less friendly to europe as of perhaps, was in the past. no indeed, or one of our closest allies, the us, there's a lot of uncertainty as you've alluded to in that relationship. so when you look at the you and how it's structured, particularly from an economic perspective, is a 1st say that the wasn't built necessarily for this type of a new world that we're in. so d e u is a collection of democracies, and sometimes those take longer to adjust to big developments then, or the forms of political governance. but a consequence of our decision making though with stuff when we do make decisions, they are resilient, they hold on,

we have the ability to take big decisions over time. so i think there's no divers at all, all of the change that we've seen happen even in recent weeks, from what's happening in america to what's happening in the middle east. those reminds me that there's a volatility in the world that we haven't seen for some time. but i would argue though that stability still has big benefits, particularly if you're a collection of democracies as the you with. and i'm confident that we will be able to rise to the challenges that i know developing at some stage. and we can talk, for example, but some of the, the, my new shell said the issues that the trump presidency could bring and such as tires. we could talk about more general economic teams like inflation and so on. but the was there to been aware for awhile that some of these problems that are mounting or go beyond these relatively short term issues. and for that reason, there's been 2 big reports commissioned this here. the letter report obviously are looking at the single market and then the, the drawing a report on competitiveness. why do you think these reports are so necessary and what you as your group president taken from the?

so they are so necessary because of things all attend the seat that you described earlier on. we can see big changes that are taking place in europe. much of which is due to the consequences of the war was also ha, happened with the cost on the availability of energy. but in addition to all of that happening, we've very big global developments taking place. as we see at other parts of the world, from china to india, to america, as changing their economic stands. and we've also seen that economic growth in recent years continue to be very strong on the medium term economic i look also continue to be very strong. so these pieces of work reassessing for your stands in the world and part of the you're aware, your stance of the world. we're responding back to the changes that we've seen taking place in terms of what we're doing with into your group. with regard to this,

i highlight 3 pieces of work. firstly, wireless device, budget policy for the euro area and from member states of the euro area. to get the balance like between half and safe public finances, but investing in our future. second, it's the work that we have on the way with regard to capital markets union, which has taken time. but we shouldn't underestimate the ability of continuing to make decisions in this area, but maybe, etc, racing the pace of stock decision making. so that we can deepen and integrate a capital markets with into your oh area under your own group has done a lot of work on this. and then find the, i would argue that the digital future of the euro is also of a strategic response back to the way in which we see the global economy beginning to change is on the topic of voice decisions. mean we, we get onto the drawing here report now, one of the big headlines from the driver report was, is his mention of the figure of an extra 800000000000 rosie or that's needed in his

view for the way to catch up. and some of those areas that you've touched on, whether it's innovation and sort of digital innovation and entrepreneurship, essentially to try and catch up with a considerable gap. that was no immersion between your paying companies and american companies. and indeed, chinese companies do you think the you can come up with that kind of a figure and how do you think it could do this? uh yes, i believe we can. and i believe this 2 ways in which we will do firstly, it will go back to the opportunity that is there regarding a private savings with into your opinion on how we can coordinate them in a way of deliver as a bash or benefit for your opinions. on for the european union, if you have a look at how many other parts of the world have managed investment needs that they have. you seen that make far smaller to use of the savings on investment phones of their own citizens. then we've been able to do in your opinion, so that is a big part of job checks all on the other part of the jigsaw would then be

decisions that we make regarding funding the picture of the european union and the willingness of member states to look at new forms of public funding that deliver your a pain public godes. in other words, your pin collective benefits. and that will be a big part of the negotiation for the next budget of the your opinion. as some of which will involve choices regarding priorities. how, what areas are going to be more important than the years ahead? then they have been into years that have gone by, or the as well. and i shouldn't be involved with debate regarding 5. so there is a need for new economic instruments. and we have viewers from all over the world. and you already alluded to this earlier, that there's whole parts of the world, for example, in, in india, indonesia, but sometimes referred to as the global sales and other countries all over the place where they will look at your up and they look at your bank companies and they will just think that's yes, it is worth that's, that's a different type of world. the world's changing as you, as you handle that in many ways. why should they look at europe now and think what actually no, that's going for tomorrow's world as well. that's,

that's an innovative place that can, that we need to be, have our stick and as well as the world changes. but we need to give some further reason to believe stuff at the perception and views of different parts of the world absence flows have. but when you're dealing with a perception issue, i think you need to look at a level beyond dot and say, what's the substance. what we need to do is look at what are the policy decisions that we need to make that would build on the success that we have. that in turn will allowed a view of europe to be re cost by other parts of the world. so from my point of view, at our ability to fix a perception issue will only be delivered when we address the substance of the issues that is causing all the parts of the world. to look at you are a bit a more classical way. and the way in which we will do us is by decisions that we can make ourselves, that i believe we can make an over the next one to 2 years to make these decisions

. obviously, we need governments working together, but we also need populations working together. and this comes at a time when you have significant discordant countries. you have, for example, i've mentioned, friends have mentioned germany, a lot of support there for fire right movement. it's not impossible to imagine, for example, marines the pen as the future president of france. it's not impossible to imagine the if the in germany getting a significantly larger share of the vote. we see what's happening in romania at the moment where a fire i've canada has been doing very well and elections there. how can, can you, or stay united on some of these issues when you have this sort of populism rising in all across the continent by pointing to the benefits of the european union and making the case for a contemporary rationale for the european union. and for europe in a political and economic integration, which is to simply say that because the opportunities that we face and the challenges that we face are so big that no one european country on their own is capable of rising to them. and we can achieve more to get as are by acting

collectively. and if we don't talk to collectively, the national loss will even be great sir. so for me, this is the practical argument to be made regarding the role of the european union . i can make many arguments about the political body of all of us about the optimism of us. i can make many arguments about our historical background apply. we're showing a very different way for europe in its future versus where we have been in our past . but for many, we need to make a more practical argument at a time of populism. i know the time of division and practical argument is, as i said, that because the change in the world, the so big, no one country can vice to it on their own. about how big they are in your passcode on her present as your group. thank you very much for joining us today. i'm going to keep it on. the european union is a complex and diverse place. 27 different national governments and economies, a kaleidoscope of cultures and languages, and a wide range of different political and legal systems. for most of the post world

war, 2 harder europe in union has found a way not just to stick together, but to thrive together, yet to secure its future. the e. u must bind these trades together more tightly than ever. at a time when their frame can be seen all across the continent, visa civilizational questions, they're not just about the way that the people live from day to day. europe is going to be challenged to be able to stand up for it. so and to provide a decent living for it citizens and the hope for the future for it citizens, there's losing between 2 words that would be crucial towards our competitiveness and security. if we are not able to integrate those 3 sectors that the center of my report, energy, telecom, and financial services, it would be impossible to be secure. and at the same time,

to be competitive. the world has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. and many europeans are beginning to feel that have lower order, which is 7. well, for a long time is beginning to turn against the states and the you to get, i could do seem to correct, you call, assume that what we use to will last. that's what a history tells us between the european history of a 20th century. easy. if you make really big mistakes, things can collapse, complete slate, the you dream to collapse and our economy script collapse and then the future becomes very dark and very unpredictable. in 1999, the year the berlin wall fell checked. delores said the following. europe will never be billed if young people do not see it as a collective undertaking that will shape their future. nearly 4 decades later, the confidence leaders faced the same problem. europe same,

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