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to that subject, and i think essentially you can see this is a little bit of a payback from the american right from donald trump's kind of movement in us politics. so what they see is this, me a ring by europeans about the mega move and make america great. again, i don't know, try and put in his entire political movement is they perceive that european sneed about that in the 1st time that they opposed it in the run up to the last election . they want to tyrus. when donald trump came in, try i'm sense, and now this is a certain amount of to police co pay back for that. i thought a remarkable richard at the beginning of a speech to where jedi bens attacked the decision to and all the results of the 1st round of the romanian presidential election. that would set sounds a lot like use intervening directly in the, in the europeans own sovereignty with respect to the, to it's courts and it's political decision. yeah. so yeah, that's right. so,
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so that was the remaining quote that and all of that election because of allegations that the, a sensible winner of the election had benefited from this information. missing information campaigns that it was suspected to be a source from russia. and yes, but an american vice president wading into that of course, is an intervention in the southern decision of those quotes within remain. yeah. but i think probably the motivation behind that is the sense what i just mentioned, this sort of a sense of, of payback that europeans felt free to come in since near about trump policies for so long as a del, mega movement and, and, and this is now you're getting a taste of it. so medicine also on the issue of, of migration richard the, the, the vice president began his speech by referencing the attack that took place in
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munich yesterday with over 30 people rendered in a car ramming by enough dan, a person who has been living and in germany and the, the of the police and music, of course, they've already said that this seems to be a case of islamic extremism. and then vance went on to, to talk about mass migration being the biggest problem facing europe. what, what are your thoughts on that? yeah, so i mean i was at the scene of that attack yesterday, terry, just a couple of hours off. so it took place and certainly this is shaken, the city of munich, and it's, it's, it's been yes, another of these incidents is taking place in recent months. which is definitely having a significant impact on the election campaign here in germany. this has been a really live issue, highly controversial, about what kind of steps to try to that need to be taken to try to prevent these sorts of attacks by the climate downs on migration, a strict and policies towards people whose asylum applications have been rejected.
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agents who need to uh, who need to be deported. that event, that debate is going on anyway, between the political policies, fighting for that election, which a j project events of cause to, to bring this up is such a central theme. and he's speech does look very much like an intervention within chapman policies. and implicitly, potentially an intervention in favor of the far right populace parties. the old tendency for germany, which of course, in most, who a j van schools are mentioned in the speech has vocally supported our j d. events has not gone so far as vocally supporting day after you are explicitly doing that, that would 6, i think, be seen as crossing a very doc red line. but, but between the lines is an implication of that. i think what's gonna be really interesting is to see how the conservatives and mainstream conceptions here in germany respond to that. so if we don't use mat who is here this weekend, he's the manager is likely to be the next child. so he's the, the lido,
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who's likely to have to deal with that from administration in the future. he has been pushing for a tougher line on migration. he's been making that a major plank of his campaign in recent weeks. but at the same time, he's been insisting that he would never work with the a f t. the alternative for germany policy saying that the so called firewall which, which kind of stands between the older establish parties and the a f. the is it that will remain intact? we had j events explicitly saying in his speech that essentially that 5 will. so a legitimate that the anti democratic that it is wrong to discounts of use of the now 20 percent of german to support that policy. so a realty level ready for the reduced match. and the conservatives how to deal with that messaging, coming from the trump administration. and while we're still waiting for the, for a minister of china to address the, the conference there are richard. i just want,
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i want to get your views and one more thing we're going to hear from when you, i hope in just a moment. he's the, he's scheduled to take the stage there. we heard the us vice president saying that if you are running from your voters, we can uh help you. uh, that's a, a quote. and he was suggesting that, that europeans are marginalizing groups on the right and left. he even said that the representatives, the red right and left are being banned from speaking at the munich security conference. what do you make of the yeah, well, i mean, it's true. the old tons of, of germany the, the parties that we've just been talking about. they are not invited to this conference and i think that is a decision that has been held up in recent years. i need to, i think the conference organizers must sort of think about, okay, is that still something that they can justify?
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i think that this really split uh, throws the spotlights on so that i think they're definitely legitimate questions about why should you not invites members of the a f. the 2 days conference is a officer or other policies that is running seconds in this election campaign. they're likely to play a very significant role in parliament in the next parliament, if not the cause of being positive of any government. so i think, you know, i, i think is the community, here's a conference. it is on slightly, i'm kind of standing on, i'm not going to say quick time. what am i gonna say that is standing on not particularly solid ground? i'm not really sure what the justifications that so not inviting that part to use. so i think a defensive putting his thinking on something, but still it takes ordinarily unusual for a vice president of the united states. to want to get involved in questions like that. it is something that simply has never happened so, so and of course we're used to the jumping ministration, doing things that have never happened before. that is the nature of that kind of
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disruption that donald trump has quotes of politics. but what it does do is it lays bad a real gulf between europe in the united states. you know, the western lines. i think this, we came to visit, making a lot of europeans really jumpy. the west of the lines is looking very, very precarious at the moment this sense that they kind of occupies slightly different well, so the german president and his speech. in fact, in the referred to that saying that the well views of the european. so the united states may have drifted apart, but insisting that there is still things that hold them together. this is jay at events is responsive that you, in a way you're saying, you know, you, we talk about shared values or how important to you, of a shared values of a free speech and respects the views that are outside the main stream. so there's really an awful lot for europe in a publish, it seems to be thinking about as a result of his speech and curing ahead to when he, well, i can tell you, i mean, for the chinese and also for the russians and who also have co see themselves in
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a kind of a kind of a possible for influence on the world stage between the systems of, of liberal democracy at the most r, terry and system. so we see that to see this level of public squabbling between europe in the united states is certainly something that is seen is pretty much a gift. i think to those countries looking on as america and the and the europeans is apparently seemed to drift by the room, farther apart systemic rivalry taking on a new face there at the munich security conference. richard, i've personally was rather surprised to hear the us vice president, not talking about defense in classical terms and also very few words last about the ukraine, given that president trump is now made, it has initiative to end the war. we did hear one comment at the beginning with
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a band saying that he believes that we can come to a reasonable settlement between ukraine and russia. i'm just wondering what you, what you make of him not addressing those topics beyond that. yeah, i mean that, that that was, yeah, part of what made to speak some extraordinary that a, that he didn't just glancing the reference to differences is that he's trying to raise with respect to, to dealing with, with populate, apologies. but that he made that the entire team, if his speech, where is everybody here with the meetings during the conference where he thought, well, the absolute top number one issue is that is based post by the united states when the world is pushed for direct talks between the united states and russia in that respect, and a lot of discussions here about what that means for europe, what it means for quotes ukraine's the country that it has suffered, that invasion. and a lot of concern here about whether the europeans will be frozen out of so that
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towards process and the, the interest of the europeans have of, of keeping the americans with some skin in the game. and some potential security guarantees towards you trying to try to prevent this all happening again. and the fact that j events just completely side step. that whole conversation is pretty extraordinary. but we haven't had a lot of communication from the trump and ministration during the course of this week, particularly from pete hex asked the new secretary of defense who's been touring europe. i am giving out messages that, that i've been talking through a lot of delegates here from various circles and generally the messages that are coming from the united states. i think the general believes here is that these are very favorable to the russians. uh is the wonderful my bowl tech leader who i be speaking to here said the vitamin putin must be drunk on champagne and caviar at the stage. because the kind of the indications that are coming from the united
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states about ukraine, likely not joining nato at some point in the future. the united states not wanting to put any boots on the ground, to some sort of stabilization rituals. i'm gonna leave ukraine extremely prone to do to address richard. i'm sorry to interrupt you there. we're going to now cross straight over to the speech, but when you the for administer of china who's addressing the munich security conference. lindsey place a good chairman christoph hosking point to share friends, colleagues, wonderful towards the world we live in is an increasing mix. all of turbulence and transformation, general question, many people are as a senior to hold. where is that which we are headed to and i may fall row for by the name of this year is munich, security report, not sure. it is headed toward multi polarization, boston insurance. when the united nations was founded 80 years ago,
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it had only 4 to one member station, a buyer to today, to 193 countries. right in the same bank with all of a multi color world who is not totally a historical and never to bill it to you. how are you? sure. it is also becoming a reality for josh. will most people there are t 3 k on to the conflict and confrontation talk? go to don't. does it mean domination by major countries trying to strong bullying the weak? china is the answer is that we, we should work for an equal and orderly mostly polar world. this is another major product proposition put forward by president. this is in p, and it represents our sincere expectation for a multi polar world torching c. c for china will shortly be a factor of a certainty in this multi polar system, as drive to be a steadfast, constructive force. and when a change, the world's thoughts here i want to make for, i'm going from the 1st, it is important to advocate for treatment. so there's rivalry between big powers
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had brought disaster tonight at t, as evidenced by the lessons of the 2 world wars. but the not so distant past whether it is the colonial system or the core periphery structure on equal orders are bound to meet their demise, independence and autonomy is thought across the world. and democracy in international relations is an unstoppable trend. equal rights equal opportunities. and because it should become to the basic principles of a motive, hold the world into it. to see this principle china advocate for the quality amount . all countries, regardless of the size and costs, are increasing the representation and say of developing countries in the international system. this one largely due to west listen is true, but we'll deliver more positively to some result of the world. the minute security conference has invited more participants on the global south countries and be 100
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years old. and this is a wise thing to do. she, every country should have their voice, heard a creek country you would be able to find their place to lay their role in a multi polar paradigm sergeant. and on 2nd, which it is important to respect international rule of law. as an old chinese pain goes, his circles and squares cannot be drawn without your promises and rulers, which means nothing can be accomplished without following norms and stands for data . the purpose is impressed. suppose that the you and try to provide fundamental guidance for handling international relations business and are an important cornerstone of multi polar world issues. the world today is witnessing incessant chaos and confusion and one. and for some reason is that some countries believe might makes right on the we're going to have opened to a pet doors on march. the law of the jungle, what your thoughts are. in reality, you all countries, regardless of size or strain which are stakeholders and international rule of law, the moment a little hard, i must not be a state of disarray without norms and standards. 1 may be at the table yesterday,
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but end up on the menu tomorrow to major countries on from us to take the lead in monitoring their words and uploading rule of law. you must not say one thing, but to another important gauge and 0 sum game is based on h e a box, right? so you the china resolutely, i would always be a nor to you of international rule of job with you. and that's where we fulfill this international responsibilities and obligations. it is a measure of almost all universal inter governmental organizations and a part to you over $600.00 international conventions and never packing list exceptionalism which are still less shared picking. it is providing the greatest certainty in this uncertainty world. if i wish to emphasize that there should be no double standards in observing international law for which is respect for all country sovereignty and territorial integrity should mean support for china is complete, re unification, slices into 3rd. it is important to practice multilateralism so we can do the phase of emerging global challenges. you know, country can stay on
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a federal case or golf or where you are. sure. and the we 1st approach and international relations only leaves you will lose lose result in the u. n. is at the corner. heard 3 multilateralism in advance and global governance where you go to this right. if is long as shield at all countries from wind and rain for nearly 8 years and is all the more needed in the multi paula world of the future. for me, we should cement its foundation rather than destroy its pillars. real quick to the treaty, we should wake up our responsibilities of governing global issues, right? issues, people don't counter rather than the self interest are only it's just different. get you out. that is news. it is from this understanding that china opposed true multilateralism control and advocates. the vision on global governance featuring extensive consultation and showing the contribution for shared benefit. we have
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firmly, i'll help you all storage and stature of the u. n. a contributed to more than 20 percent of the un regular budget parties. we have acted earnestly on the parents agreement assignment change and built the world's largest clean power generation. this stuff with your motion terms, we have also proposed and delivered on the global development initiative. the global security initiative and the global civilization initiative providing public goods for improving global governance. of course, it is important to pursue openness and mutual advantage of that go to development hose the key to addressing various problems. the multi polar world should be one where all countries developed together, which is protectionism offers no way out and arbitrary terrorists produce no winners. so i'm to shoot you. the coupling deprives one of opportunities and a small yard with high sensors, only ends up restraining one's self. it is important to us, you open to operation and support for an equal and orderly motion polar world with a universally beneficial and inclusive economic globalization. to me,
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it is for this goal that china stays committed for sharing, developing opportunities with all countries in australia scholar called china, an enabler, which i find very fitting with a 5 percent g. b wells. last year, china contributed to nearly 30 percent of the world economic growth form and bundle it has served who has an important engine for global economic growth and shared with the world. the benefit of its super sized markets for you and to the china is willing to center just high quality belt and road cooperation with the european union's global gateway strategy. me what the tire shop with is you for them, so as to empower each other and empower for the entire world. story for your friends about the as always lean in europe is an important pole in the multi to hold the world. and the 2 sides are partners, not rival, use it all to enjoy this year. my 50th anniversary of china and you to pull magic
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relations, taking this opportunity from china is willing to work with the european side and see if in strategic communication of mutually beneficial cooperation and steer the world to a bright future of peace, security, prosperity, and progress. thank you and that was trying to is for mr. when he addressing the meaning security conference and a to mulch with day there for the opening day of the meetings security conference. he's now going to sit down for a little conversation with the chairman of munich, skirting conference coastal, or it's going to, we're going to take a little bit of that for you says they're just preparing the stage, therefore, translation. so again, if you're just joining us, we've been, we're bringing a special coverage on dw news of the munich security conference. and this one, thank you. is the last very part of it. and before we break the need for your regular program speech and also thinking for changing to the 10 minutes,
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i appreciate that you mentioned the international order. and then this is something that also in my introductory remarks, i highlighted to the need to respect the you and trotter. and then we see now a lot of questioning of this we see and rush are invading the ukraine. and we have seen from the american president to these last weeks and where he threatened to use force and invading greenland and turn them uh and uh, and also the, the displacement of palestinians and, and the, your country has been also accused of violating the law. so c, o also the universal declaration of human rights. now you are traveling from here to new york to the security council. and do you continue to believe in the united nations? do you believe in the charter? i'll see you and, and, and to where you work also for reform of the you and do you in charge or how,
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how you set on your priority. it's a, so really for the next year with the weird question. i'm sure you don't have to care month. i think you mentioned 2 keywords. one is order. the other is sort of the rules. now talking about, do you have the order to go over the years? some have been seeing that china is changing through the attempting to change the order in china and want to start the new system. now, we don't see much talk louder because of now there's, here is a country that is withdrawing strong international regions. enterprise solutions to try and i think in europe can few chills, almost almost every day shoes. as for china, it is part of growing in the existing issue, the order china is beneficial,
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really sort of the existing order. so what china is doing and will do is to as most 100 countries expected to move the order in the more just and reasonable directions are now talking about rules that i can do for you. so you put on that these people might have different understanding of rules shifting gears. i think we can agree on these are she only she all point and that we need to the whole safeguard with the un course in the which centered international cultural observe. you have portions on to be so richard basic, which requires norms, governing international relations based on the purpose is important for both of these and the charter. and i think that's the biggest common denominator. as long as we recognize that point road are shown to be able to triple here, that will not be here, double sanders, or the space for double standards and,
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and for major regional and international issues. as soon as their chairman said, we will have go to the same yard stakes like charging down some china is well aware of the international responsibilities on the shoulder zone. and if we are willing to provide more publishers issue the sure to international can you know, dot president, same thing has proposed a series of major initiatives. an opposition is important including these low voltage development initiative, global security initiatives, and global civilization initiative. interest you, i'm pretty sure for all of the additional 9 are aimed at having the international community joining homes to handle the finances. address the growing development deposition security deficit and governance deficit we face today. hi, teacher. the president of the same page has proposed me,
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could be major vision of building to the community with their shirts here for main kind. it is very grand vision. google and we don't go hope to see that we're all countries issue for rise up through the differences and age try the culture systems for me. you don't want you to, to use an ideology, the installer, daugherty, georgia tech, very close to, to the sign. it is only plan as we all call home and you to make any choices, make the global visual a better place to where we share the same future. who turned on to what usually you date which you are. this is a reflection of the international general vision, shaw wave of the communist party oversight on this order. and it is also a reflection of the line towards dish, no chinese torture of thinking for the greater good. it has to be receiving or more support. and where you cheers you. how could nation from,
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from to the community road to more contribute our part to realizing his vision. thank you things. and that was one ye, uh the for a minister of china addressing for just speaking with the chairman of the munich security conference, boeing a speech there. he outlined, trying his position on, on foreign policy, suggesting that china is a very much of a member of the global community, pursuing a multilateralism in a multi polar world. or with us at the meeting security conference. we have several people on the ground there. our chief international editor richard walker has been following the speech by wong. he richard a very different space from what we just heard from the us, the vice president. that's right. when he essentially saying we the chinese or the grown ups in the room. and while you west and there's,
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i mean there's no between the lines of course, but basically the tenor of the speech is that we are the responsible nation. we uphold the international or the we don't break international law. and we respect every country, every different system. and various kind of digs at united to space and at the europeans. but, but implicit ones, for instance, i talking about a not having double standards here in international affairs. i think this is partly aimed at least the, at the sense that you have in many parts of the world that the western countries have much more about. the civilians on the attacking your brains than they do about civilians is suffering from the war in gaza. so i, on the whole range of issues when you essentially saying we all are responsible power. china is a country that is predictable that people can count of. we want to what with europe, we want to work with other parts of the wells. richard,
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