instead, i had to tell claudia frank, i was gone 5 years off to cousin. we remember when the road stood still stops march 8th on dw, the, to this with us president trumpet picked up the phone and called russian president, put in one president to another. and the result was a readiness to talk peace in ukraine. but why wasn't and ukraine on the call? and what about america's european allies direct go out to the kremlin? did trump hang off on everyone else? european leaders had been quick to say any deal to in the fighting in ukraine must include ukraine. any lasting piece will have to involve europe, european money, european weapons, to, to night a showdown between transaction, trump and americans, european friends. they want to have their say,

trump wants them to pony up and pay. i'm for golf and berlin. this is the day, the in washington. there was a new sheriff in town. i don't see that the us has already made plan. a hail ukraine would, we can europe, but it was also recons united states. is that an alternative to the inclination? ok. we'll wait on the new american administration has a different will view to us. one with no regard for established rules. the threat that i worry the most about piece of the europe is not russia. what i worry about is the threat problem with is also coming up of what the us vice president said to a anger and germany and its defense minister. and if i understood him correctly,

he compared conditions in parts of europe and the, with those and all for tearing regimes might i'm going to have, this is not acceptable to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states. and to all of you around the world, welcome. we begin the day with the new sheriff and the not so wild west. and this is how us vice president j. d vance today described his boss, us president donald trump, the new sheriff. he didn't take this cal boy analogy further. during his speech at the munich security conference, we were left to assume that europe, in the us represent some version of the wild west it, yes, there is a war and eastern ukraine, but it remains a flash point. any fragile but still very established rules based international order. definitely not. the wild west. european leaders may worry that trump's foreign policy will assure,

in an error of tumbleweed turmoil. the picture vice president vance and ukrainian president zalinski delivered today tells us that these allies are still very much invested in a world void of high noon showdown. we had a number of frequent conversations, a number of things for us to follow up and work on. and fundamentally, the goal is, as president trump outlined it, we want the war to come to a close. we want the going to stop, but we want to achieve a durable lasting piece. not the kinds of piece is going to have eastern europe in conflict just a couple years down the road. so we have a number, a good conversation about how we might accomplish that together. and certainly what many more in the, in the days, weeks and months to come for. there's one thing. thanks so much. thank you very much. where it briefly i think my present said everything. absolutely correct. well, we're single floor support president tom, we have good conversation to be our 1st meeting,

not last sure. and really what, what we need to to speed for work or add to prepare the time how to stop points and engineers of work. we're doing an email from the munich security conference. is kurt volker. he's a former us ambassador to nato. he was the us special representative to ukraine during the 1st trump administration and bastards. good to have you back on the program. be to see you. i'll ask you what many here in europe many, i'm sure in munich, where you are, or asking after learning of trump's piece plans for ukraine? has the united states betrayed its ally ukraine? oh no, i don't think so at all. i think this is very much in line with what president trump, the presence of lensky discussed throughout the autumn. you remember they met in september. they had a few phone calls, name it again to turn it down in paris. and our president drum made clear,

he wants to end the war as quickly as possible that he needs to call president vladimir putin, which he has now done. he called zelinski right afterwards to give him the retail. he is indeed pushing for it to or as quickly as possible. and as he said, as j events subs earlier today, that all the options are on the table. you agree as president lives? zalinski says that the us does not have a ready made plan for settling the war yet, despite all the talk from various members of this trump administration this week. well, what's your reaction to that? well, i think that's exactly right that they are here. i didn't ask them initial, you'll come on the stations to try to get the russians to agree to be in some discussions. and so with on european allies about what they are prepared to do. and to bring all that back to present drums. so you can make some decisions about where he wants to go. it was media that was reporting that there was a plan,

but it was present special and work. he's catalog as well as the president himself and make clear, there's not a plan for say, it is an effort to get that go. she ation started to my, do we know what the president trump has? you know, on the table that he could use to force rushes hand here. yeah, i think there are 3 big things that have already been talked about and i think are important. the 1st is really increasing us oil and gas production. and working with the others to try to drive down global energy prices that will have an impact on to the budget 2nd of sanctions. and he has threatened to increase actions on russia and j. d. vance. just do this the other day as well. those are being rushes energy sector, add on rushes, financial sector, and you can have a bigger impact of really strict sections workforce. and 3rd is putting in place some kind of deterred force in ukraine to determine rush of future attacks. and to

continue to provide military support, you guys would have access to the weapons that it needs to defend itself. i think all of those things offered signals divine and reboot, and that he's never going to defeat ukraine completely. he's never going to win this war. so he needs to actually stop fighting thus far, student has not agreed to do that. but i think we're just at the very beginning stages of seeing a combination of sticks and carrots being offered to provide them are good when you and i last spoke. if it was back in 2021, you said that by the way, approved and intended to block ukraine from ever joining the european union and nato president trump send his new defense secretary to europe this week with the message that there will be no data membership for ukraine anytime soon. so isn't trump in a way aiding and abetting the kremlin? uh uh, well 1st off, the, you're absolutely right. is that students attractive?

he wants to give you grain out of need or out of the you. he doesn't actually one ukraine to be a sovereign and into the country. he wants to be part of the rush empire . but as far as what secretary heavy and not realistic as a result of these negotiations that i think is quite correct. russia's never going to agree to nato membership before you grade. and so you shouldn't expect it to be a result of these negotiations. or you shouldn't even be talking about it with russia. it's none of their business is a matter for ukraine and nato to decide on their own. we have heard it repeatedly from us. officials this week that europe needs to step up for its own defense. today we appear to get an idea of who the us may now see as the emerging powerhouse of european defense. i want you to take a listen to this. i do want to emphasize that it's quite intentional that our 1st

european bi lateral is right here in poland. this in the symbolism is not lost. in fact, it is intentional. we see poland as the model ally on the continent willing to invest not just in their defense, but in our shared defense and the defense of the content. our relationship is strong and growing stronger every day. paul and a strategic frontline partner on nato's eastern flank, poland a staunch us ally. and that's it, or is he picking up on something that you've been advising now for several years? i think 4 years ago you said that poland and ukraine should maybe carry out joint military exercises to show real commitment to ukraine's security. or they've maybe following the advice that you would have given i don't think it has gotten to that

point yet of joint exercises. but what actually is referring to is pullman's decision to bring into defense spending up to 5 percent of g d p. it's currently at about $4.00 and pullman has contributed substantially to all of our shared effort and supporting ukraine. most of the voluntary equipment that goes to ukraine goes through poland is where we have maintenance repair facilities where we have us, uh, our forces personnel who are not in ukraine, but they are in poland, opponent to shoulder, and a lot of refugees coming in from ukraine as well, so it is really stepped up to the plate and that's what i think helps us is referring to. you would like to see all over. i'll step up as much as poland has. you praised president zalinski, he says that he thinks that by the way, approved and could be preparing for war against nato countries as early as next year. what's your read on that?

yeah, i think that and then his definitely preparing his military to grow substantially. and his target in doing that is not only ukraine, it's nato. so you and your former parts of the russian empire that he wants to conquer. so he is doing that. i think his ability to do that is questionable both economically, militarily industrially. can you really do that and more over, you can't do it in a year. i think the stony and intelligence assessment that just came out put it at 5 years. denmark had a similar, a range of 5 years, is what they expected for russian to be able to constitute that kind of the ability to threaten mail. but it is clear that that is what his intentions are. mr. vulgar is always good to talking with you. we appreciate you taking the time out of this, i'm sure, a busy schedule for you there at the munich security conference. thank you. thank you. and joining me now from the grading and capital,

keith is kiera roodick. she's the member of the ukrainian parliament. and she's leader of the opposition voice party, caring. it is good to have you back on the program. we've talked to many times in the past 34 years. i want to ask you that what we have seen an experience in the past week coming from the trump white house. i have the us betrayed your country. it's hello, brenda, thank you so much for having me. well, we have heard many of the statements from their defense, united states officials, what we didn't see is actual proposal at the table. and i think we should keep our understanding of what's going on up until we will see this proposal at the table because of the rest of it from the united states has gone from ukraine. will never draining nature to the statement by vice president gigi vance. when she

. 9 did not exclude the possibility of having us troops on the ground. can you pray if putting a would not negotiate? so we need to wait for that baseline for any kind of the ceasefire deals. and this baseline is what are the security guarantees? what is the reason why we're seeing switching about keeps as part of the bargain until we see that? i think we should be only talking about any prospects a but not giving our understanding of ever seeing like literally everything that you hear so. so here you're not willing to begin coming to terms yet with the fact that of ukraine's future may not include native membership. that's something that you're not willing to have on the tape or well again, natal membership is just one of the ways of ensuring our security guarantees and

ensuring the trash who would not attack us again. and if they do, then we will be protected. so is there any potential good alternatives to that? a well lives describes them, but as a phrase, now ukraine's aim to join nato is in your brain restitution. your trans people are supporting to brain joining nato. and i think we have all their rights to be considered as need to members, and that should be under the table that should be discussed. what about a p? still that would allow russia to keep cry me allow russia to keep the don't bad. so you would have a diminished ukraine geographically, is that something that you would accept? well again, brent, let's start with the most important part, which is again, the future of other countries. this security or fabric people. we right now don't

even have this on the table and everybody's already talking about ukraine for teaching some less. and but 0 to us very teresa checked her. i'm asking you this though, because we have heard this from the us president and from the us defense secretary this week saying, you know, we're not going to return to those pre 2014 borders. i mean, they said that this week a while they said that they don't see it, seeing that this is a realistic objective. but i want to remind you and keep this in mind. the just 3 years ago, all our lives were telling me that we will fall down and 2 or 3 days. so we respect this opinion. we but we are a so the nation is over in state and we have our own goals. and these goals, which includes beginning of our through tauriel integrity because we didn't do anything wrong. we weren't as silver in state trash. i haven't brutally attacked us . ok, right. other categories. and we do not see a reason why we should,

at least formally give up on that. almost 3 years ago, you and i spoke, it was shortly after russian begin its full scale invasion. and i remember we spoke of your father and what you tell him that you are fighting for. is it about him being very proud of you? do you still have this conversation today? yes, of course. and my dad is still proud of me. actually it's his birthday today. so happy birthday we even the for us, we did not change our objective and our goal to, for your brain to have future for your friends ahead of you will be in the future and for the next generations not to have the 5, the same war again, over and over and over. and of course that will definitely happen if the deal potential deal that would be made would not be strong enough and will not guard russia away from our borders, our territories,

and our people. and this is why we need to be strong grades now, more than ever when we are negotiating and we are standing for what do you believe at and for what do we test page, and ultimate price by i would people by our children and by ever seeing that we have possessing right now. well, despite the situation, i want to wish your father happy birthday and safety to you care. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us and we wish you even everyone in new created all the best. thank you. in order to clean the most certainly the europeans in the audience at the munich security conference today. we're not expecting a lecture on democracy from us, vice president j, the vance. but that is what he delivered in an almost scolding tone, claiming the freedom of expression in european countries as being a road. if you said it poses a greater threat to democracy than russian military aggression. he also addressed

migration st. european voters never chose to open the floodgates of their borders to migrate its take a list in britain and across europe. free speech i fear is in retreat. so i come here today, not just with an observation, but with an offer. and just as the by the ministration seem desperate to silence people for speaking their minds. so the trump administration will do precisely the opposite. and i hope that we can work together on that. in washington. there is a new sheriff in town and under donald trump's leadership. we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer it in the public square. agree or disagree? well this is speech did not go down well with his audience, especially german leaders such as the countries defense minister these are,

they will cut to this democracy was put in question by the vice president in front of all of europe as he spoke about the enrollment of democracy, and if i understood him correctly, he compared conditions in parts of europe, with those and all for tearing regimes might i'm going to have, this is not acceptable. the alright doing their pulse, hoping to meet again on the w. steve international editor richard walker, standing by richard the us vice president speech came across at times like a lecture to germany and other european nations talking about the threat from within. i solve the facial expressions in the audience. people were not impressed. so yeah, but i saw the talk about this i, i wanted to bring you into the conference whole website events made that speech and

some people are calling historic. yes. so this is, this is the podium where he made this pizza is where all of the big speeches happened at this conference. many of them have been historic around this. i've been, if we just turn around that you can see the, you know, these are the rows where people were sitting in web. yeah. those kind of stones and faces that you saw on the feed. i was also watching on the feed because very few journalists were able to get in here for that because this was really the high point of this entire we can. so it's really just the kind of the other politicians, the military does, the great and the good in here. but yeah, it was extraordinary the reception everybody afterwards was talking about this speech. what people thought of it at this sense that you know, everybody here had expected a tough message from j. d. events from the trumpet, ministration about ukraine, about the things you've just been talking about with the as a guest. what they didn't expect was a speech that was 95 percent, almost the whole speech was accusations about democratic standards,

freedom of speech within europe. and i think that, yeah, that was really quite a bit of shock in the audience here that, that, that some kind of new kind of cultural war across the transatlantic had been declared on this day munich by j. d. fence. yeah. jamie vance. also. richard e seem to offer what, what could be interpreted as whitehouse support for europe's far right parties urging europeans to, to, in their opposition to having far right parties in government. and we're going to get your reaction to that in just a moment. but 1st, i want us to take a listen to what do you have to say. but what german democracy, what no democracy, american, german, or european will survive, is telling millions of owners that their thoughts and concerns their aspirations, their please for relief are invalid or unworthy of even being considered democracy. russ, on the sacred principle, that the voice of the people matters. there is no room for firewalls. richard,

he said, firewall is that is the language being used in german politics. right now. i had a national elections next week. i mean, he knew what he was saying, what was he doing? yes. so what he's referring to is there is, this is this kind of established agreement among most of the political policies in germany that they would not form a coalition government with the will tend to for germany. that's the father, right? populace policy and defense defense saying that that is unacceptable in a democracy, yukon fries at one particular party. and to say that just over a week before the elections here suddenly seen this quite a substantial intervention into german politics. we've seen that coming from the law must, who is actively induced that party of the a if the interesting the i mean fence and goes that far. but he has, his people have confirmed that he met with a leader of the policy. alice vidal here in munich tonight. so i think that is

certainly being interpreted as if know that i mean dosma and that then certainly a sense of, of kind of a common cause with this policy, which is really been trying to shake out german politics. and i think this, the sense that, you know, trying to suggest that the, the, and trump is omega, may be kind of in the same idea, logical vein. and that is a great concern for so political leaders here in europe who think that how they meant to deal with a trump administration, who they feel is trying to destabilize european public. yeah, richard, before we run out of time briefly, we're just all of this leave your us, german, us and european relations in europe. and i mean, i've been talking to a lot of people here, some kind of saying, rolling their eyes and saying, you know, what really mass is, is, is, is finding a good solution is ukraine will watch. defense is about

a european politics. it is less important. others are saying that this is another kind of rupture in the trunk atlantic relationship. talking about it is a historic speech. i think it will take time to, for us to find out really what the truth is. all right, richard walker, they're taking us inside the munich security conference there in southern germany. richard, as always, thank you. it's a good way to spend a friday night with you. thank you. and before we go, we want to bring you these extraordinary images of the moment when a kayak or is swallowed by a hump back. well off the coast of chile. take a look at these pictures. audrey on simone gus was paddling along with his father when the shoot will surface. nearby, briefly engulfing him in it's mouth. yes, his father managed to capture the whole thing on camera. here's the moment. wow.

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