the industries are open, the 5 years often. we remember when the world stood still stops march 8th on dw, the. this is the w news line from berlin day to the munich security conference in germany. it's trensler and ukraine's president are set to speak in the wake of blistering verbal attack on europe from the us of vice president and britain and across europe. free speech i fear, is in retreat. katie vance for beauty, you are in claims. it's greatest threat comes from within sending a shockwave to the summit. we bring you live coverage from the conference plus an anxious wage as free is really hostages. around the verge of being freed in gaza.

it's part of the shaking ceasefire deal that we'll see, hundreds of palestinians released in exchange. the and a warm welcome to you, our viewers around the world. i'm michael. ok. ukraine's president for a lot him is a landscape and german chancellor. all of shots are set to speak on day 2 of the annual munich security conference. this comes after fi re speech on the 1st day from us vice president j. d vance, criticizing western leaders. while saying little about the russian war against ukraine. for the 1st face to face meeting between ukraine and strongest allies, is the trump administration took office when after 3 years of fighting j. defiance making clear the us once towards the end. fundamentally, the goal is, as the president trump outlined, that we want the war to come to a close,

we want the going to stop, but we want to achieve a durable lasting piece. not the kind of piece is going to have eastern europe in conflict just a couple years down the road. the big question is how would durable piece can be achieved and certainly a piece that ukraine can agree with. and there's one thing. so marsh senior, i'm, i, we're really what was the need to, to speak for, to work or add to prepare the chat, how to software engineer the work we want, really, we want this word much, but we need a real security guard to use the security guarantees a key to your paying leaders who are concerned, the trump may give concessions to russia in the attempt to end the fighting concessions at the expense of ukraine. any speech of the munich security conference j. d. vans did level to allay yorba spheres. his main focus was not ukraine.

instead, use your being countries of suppressing free speech. i said the main threat to europe is not russia, but you are up itself. well, thank you. and the threats that i worry the most about visa, the europe, is not russia. it's not china, it's not any other external actor. and what i worry about is the threat from within the retreat of europe, from some of its most fundamental values value shared with the united states of america, your j events and speech. you at the same shelf the way through your i brought a strong response from germany. these are, they will cut to democracy, was called into question by the us vice president for the whole of your buddy. i can be stay as the speak, cynthia, naya lation of democracy, democracy and def. i understood incorrectly. he's comparing conditions in pots. if you end up with those, no authoritarian regimes, ladies and gentlemen, that is not acceptable. acceptable, stella,

good said the munich security conference, always expected the trump administration to ask questions of the us european alliance. now that scratching their heads over what those questions are, dw is chief political editor and make a look of new joins me now for munich. and here in the studio is the job used political corresponding, hahn's brant mikayla. i want to start with you a strong statement there from the german defense minister boys. the story is one imagines palpable tension following j. d advanced and speech. well clearly um we have a stand off here what democracy actually means. uh, this was alexa on democracy on the new us administrations take on democracy from day the van already was so in dallas, in the united states, over the division of powers, whether the president can overall even quote decision. so this how to draw

a clear reaction from gemini is the 1st one to do that. was the german defense minister, the opposition vida for these mad to, according to the polls could become the town. so the elections next week and said similar to what she said that this was the next and interference of we've also heard and the dumb and talk to a sense of who has essentially reject. it says on site to seventy's not see tossed as a historic experience that has led to the circles fire, one of which city hans once dropped, which is the policies of the center democratic policies. routing out, working with the far right alternative for gemini. but the symbolism went even further because date, even met with at least advise is the need to of the far it. if the policy alternative for germany here in unique,

she was delivered the nothing vices by the organizes. she made a point to see her by last 3. and this has blown a whole into the face in the united states as a part the, as is tearing those very democratic values. and that debate is he is now going on within the european delegations even further field than that. but that's, i forget there's an internal american debate on this very issue as well. and you k l, i understand of, you know, what today is a really historic day. the american security guarantees are being called into question. the americans are questioning the democratic institutions and the into fair and quite openly in an election, including in relation to democratic policies and the majority. and i'll have to say it to steps me. it doesn't surprise me because they have talked about this before. but as i family rejected,

it is not the job of the american government to explain to us here in germany, how we should protect the democratic institutions. and we will continue on. of course, i'll be the ones on the slide target, the hon. so you struck with the onset from somebody's mass, the likely next time set the poles or anything to go by who i had the chance of interviewing and just off the demands health that speeds here in unique. so a clear rejection of his demands essentially on the european to open up to change the democracy, the outlook at the same time. this is also the mine and will very likely have to build bridges with this very trumpet ministration, and help gets the europeans out. the table keep the ukrainians off the table when those key negotiations take place on what all sides want to be

a durable piece of between ukraine and russia. mikaela stay with us. of course, the hans, i'm curious, are you at all struck by the visceral reaction to j. d advances remarks? no, no, no, of course not. i mean, this was a speech that was very much in your face to the europeans. it really caused a lot of dismay amongst your p and observe us and certainly presentations and, and leaders here and here in germany, it's something that the end of the metric tons is simply not done, especially nothing. this phone we were talking and he was talking at the security conference, he basically did not speak about the issue on the table, which was in crane about draw this stuff is attacking the europeans on the record on democracy. so the kinds of reactions that you have seen, i'm not surprising at all. and in fact, when already saw that yesterday, when the conference was opened by the german, a federal president, he also had very clear with woods towards washington. so what we're seeing here is,

uh, is really a ramping up of positions on both sides of the transatlantic relationship and, and it's, it's not looking very harmonious at the moment when asked to see what comes of, it's about the kind of attacks that we've just seen by j d. events on, on european democratic structures, really unprecedented, and certainly not surprising at all that other additions here up at arms about me. let's go back to make a left for a moment. mikayla the german chancellor schultz will speak soon. what can we expect while he is to the statement on x last night. so he also gave an interview to a hotel sitting here in germany, re do station, essentially, and killing what's slid a smack. the opposition leader said he also reference back to germany's now the top

saying that some of these land, those lessons, and that is the basis of this file. we'll also see the germans adamant that they weren't. what with the file right here in germany at these, this, all right, parts of you tentative with them. the scene is even to extreme for my reading the pen in front of us on the mall enough to now it's is somewhat isolated also on the european political stage. and for the us vice president to meet with the theda here . that is according to x. but i'm populism and a textbook move in populism in trying to disrupt the political system here in the european union. and that could only create one thing, weakness here in europe. and there are also very different visions on we should take the lead over the future of the e u. and that in the balance of view is the right wing populace policy. so yes,

on the rise here in europe. and that is something clearly the current. so on, so the potential future concepts and the come, some president who is also he on stage and yesterday committed to work again on so just weeks after trumps in all gratian and the chasm between washington in berlin is deeper and wider than any other time. and i personally can recall this was an outcome that the berlin didn't necessarily want. they were worried about the trump administration. but now that we are weeks in how worried are that? i think you have to say that to some extent this was expected and people knew that to a trump administration would be very different to it's free to assess a and the politicians. the policies. uh, also the government has been trying to open channels to the trump side for some

months, if not years, in case trump should to win the election the in the united states. and uh, but what i think has been surprising is on the one hand, the intensity with which is what's happening and also the speed with which is this happening. and the fact that things like a vance of speech at those conferences. so that happened. and the kind of severity of these kinds of criticisms ends attacks that are happening. i think that's what people would not expecting me if i was looking at the german public, the situation becomes a lot more complex. obviously. a 1st do you have to say they are 20 percent of people in germany who are voting, who, who are expected to vote for extreme rights parties like the alternative for germany. so they would imagine would welcome this kind of support from an american administration. on the other hand, the eighty's to 80 percent of people in germany that are completely against this kinds of policies. and they have been demonstrations against the corporation with

the far right in germany, comprising hundreds of thousands of people in the last 10 days or so. and so in german society, i think there is, or a very, very large majority that is strictly against any cooperation with a fall. right. and that will be equally upsets and, and, and this made by these kinds of tons, these kinds of statements coming from the atlanta american ministration. this yellow casting a pall over this conference, of course, is a car ramping attack on the streets of new york on thursday. entering dozens, how is this being leverage at the conference? well there was a, there was a consolation reading coming from various people, but it was very interesting that said, yvonne chose to fix this as an example or a case in point a to speak up against what he called the mass migration for him.

that was an argument again, full fall right? policies do want to stuff migration around the world, which was the theme that very much resonates in the united states. and this is not the 1st time that the audience of full t american leaders is at the end of the day at an american audience. and it also deflects from the coal breton boss. the issue is that on the table here, which is defense, this, an open question, how much the united states will withdrew from europe and the open question for particular germany. so the europeans is how they will compensate this and how much they will commit to security guarantees for ukraine. so what we're seeing is deliberately, the vice president, susan topics that of populism in populace in nature. and to also deflect from core issues that are it's state not just tear and unique,

but also will be issues throughout the, in the us administration. under donald trump and tre, 2 is another cool factor. and what are these tools to taking place? but they're not getting as much public attention because data yvonne see it shows the ruse of also making popular statements rather than telling as many here what they had expected versus more details on what us engagement will be in the future if you're able to cook. now, in munich and hands brawn here in the studio with me. we'll certainly have you both back as we await word from the german chancellor to 3 more is really hostages are being released by a mos in the gaza strip. at a later stage of the village in groups cease fire, deal with israel. you are seeing live pictures from han, eunice where the 3 men are being freed. israel is scheduled to release more than 300 palestinian prisoners in exchange. this week hostage and prisoners swap comes

after a dispute earlier this week. threatening to derail the ceasefire agreement, which has halted more than 15 months of fighting. the w corresponded tanya kramer isn't jerusalem following the story for us, tanya cru or the hostages that are being released today? yeah, we're just watching basically the hand over of those 3 made hostages this week. now this is a so again, the confusion he's a use is really citizen onyx on the or so. so as he's cold by his friends and come you tools, i know if he's a russian is really citizen and your whole and who is being released right now. it's we can see and i'm watching his well, the pictures coming in from a southern, a garza, all of them have been taken hostage on october 7 from keep what's new. oh us,

which is not very, very far away from, from a southern a guys are there. johan is particularly it were people looking at today because he is the brother of a ton horne who is not being on that listed for this 1st phase to be released. so he is being released today, but his brother will remain in gaza. and as he said, there will be then release and exchange for the over 300 published in india to needs that we will certainly be in seeing a then later today. what about the next phase of the deal? what is planned and what are the obstacles to moving forward or what i think these already seen uh how fragile this whole process is when, how most that 1st monday that uh there will delay the release of, uh, 2 days, uh, release, but uh at the end of the day they said, you know,

that as well had to evaluate the date of tons of the ceasefire agreement. nobody else has has been working. and you know, during the week to get those sides to continue this process. we have still 2 more weeks about in this 1st page. the only know 33 hostages should be released, but then both parties should have been started to talk about the 2nd phase and they are conflicting reports. so i know whether they have actually started the process and the 2nd phase and would see the remaining over 60 hosts just being released. and you know, further withdrawal by the is really military but also talks about to more permanency. sorry, but you see how far i chose this whole process already is we have to wait and see how you know this process will continue telling you what reaction has there been in israel to you as president trump's remarks about the possible future of gauze?

is there a concern that it may have an impact on the ceasefire deal? well, i think it's quite interesting because you know, the government and, you know, most politicians actually welcomed uh this uh, these statements uh, by use president trump. uh. he said that the us would take overt garza, he would uh, quote, resettle uh, the population of 2300000 people from garza, which according to the un human rights you to them onto force of the transfer of a population. now, um of course there's also a, corresponds to, you know, many of those thoughts from the far right here and some of the fundamental right. and as well as with long talked about that causes population should be transferred to another country. jordan, and is it for mention,

but there might be also other countries. however, if you've heard from the hostage families, and many people in the public as a totally different sentiment, because this thing does good actually, as he rides the set and the stealing. continuing to the 2nd phase, we have a broad, uh, you know, support among the is very public, that the 2nd phase should be implemented to be a person will negotiate and should be implemented to bring back those remaining hostages. and you could see it today and dislikes in this exchange. there were all these spanish on this stage where the hostages separated by uh from us rejecting of those statements by a drum. so i think we still will see in the coming days and how this, how this will impact on this whole process. tanya, we've been looking at the live pictures now of tell of the many people there and,

and in anticipation as more hostages being released in gaza. and of course in gaza . images that have become at this point, very familiar. you mentioned the banners, but also of course a mos militants looking very much in charge. tanya? well absolutely, and i think this is totally in contrast was a prime minister. benjamin netanyahu had always said that only total victory um, you know, will bring an end to the war and that he wants to basically that one of the main goals of this war. there was treated by the october 7 attacks would be to remove from us on power. and this is also very much to, to key in the discussion. you know, uh where does that stand um, we are seeing how i'm us. and today to release the home us and the so i make jihad very much in charge, or at least that's the, the, the image they want to project. parading again the hostages and them of watching

here those pictures on stage where they also had they were given microphones to talk to the crowd. they're watching this and then being handed over to the international red cross. and so, for now, at least, um and also, i mean, we should not forget how mazda is the one that is run has to negotiate, although of course, indirectly with the menus of egypt, katara and the u. s. and you know, further stages of this as these 5 deal. uh, so for now. um, you know, this small goal that has been presented by appointment is typically minutes. and y'all, or time and time again, although they might have been weakened, you know, the whole future of cause and we'll go from gaza. this is still very much not clear at this point. as always, our d thanks to tanya creamer in jerusalem to africa now in the democratic republic of congo,

m. 23 rebels have entered because of the capital of south keyboard providence. after ceasing the airport that serves the city, the rewinding back group as quickly advanced south after taking the key city of goma last month. armed a man in the town of coop. i'm. it's not being confirmed to the people in the footage are. for the m 23 rebels seen here in a nearby town, have been advancing up lightning speed through safe keeping province. much like they did in north keep who they were when the backed rebels have taken the main airport, serving the area and have entered the regional capital to cover its home to around 1000000 people. a congress. these troops were seen on patrol in the city. unconcern had been growing among residents that they would leave allowing the m 23

militia to take control. here to turn that over to you, we all get. i think i have to leave the city. because those who are protecting us are already running away and diamond civilian. i'm going to go to the mountains. the one on is that they've got me about the and about the 2nd. the reason surgeon violence has made an already dire humanitarian situation in the eastern democratic republic of congo, worse, the fighting destroyed tens of thousands of emergency shelters, affecting 350000 displaced people according to the united nations. in response to the latest escalation in the conflict congolese president, feel like she's a k d speaking at the munich security conference claimed rwanda, which box the m. 23 rebels, expansionist visions in the eastern part of congo, to uncalled for sanctions against the country to do much good. what gets you on?

come on. so if it can't be, how could the integrity of a country be violated? like this concept? it's people must it could by without the country responsible being sanction tongue . see only once that they, you tell me that it's all set up for london, president polk academy has repeatedly denied his country supports the m 23 rebels. despite the accusations long made by the united nations of the latest escalation and violence comes as african union leaders gathering ethiopia with the aim of ending the conflict and outcome that people in the affected areas of the eastern d. r. c are hopeful can be achieved. and d, w, 's hinds. bronk is still with me as we await word, i should say speech specifically from the german chancellor. really cons. i'm curious here. it seems that this is a delicate position for the german chancellor. on the one hand, he needs to position himself from the place of strength after the remarks by the u

. american, vice president j. d. vance. and yet, on the other hand, he must, he must reinforce, i think, to some degree, the defensive trans atlantic and unity walk me through the delicate nature of this speech. we're about to hear. yes, i think what you have to think about on the one hand is that both j, the vance, and off sholtes, also talking to the domestic audiences. so the speech yesterday by the u. s. vice president was nothing and not only directed at the european spa adults as his own supporters into united states. he said as much in his speech on and off charlotte's a outgoing tron so that we have to say we're having elections here. and then just under a, just over a week's time. and he will also be in some sense, speaking to his public, to his voters against the background of some of these upcoming elections. so the

question is, what kind of position do you take in that situation? you can just simply be statesman like and then they can all the domestic situation . i think that's the kind of binds that here is in a, but i think in the end, standing up to the united states showing a strong reaction. a self confident reaction to these attacks from washington is something that you will see as necessary, both for his domestic election campaign as soon as it was i, but also simply as a europe and statesman, defending european values and european structures. that was something that europe and lead us did yesterday in any case, even before the speech of a by j d events. so i think where i can expect shots to say that's a european democracy is strong, is going to continue along its cause that he will say has been a proven to be correct and to the interest ability and democracy in europe for

decades. and i think it will be a very strong defense against the united states, and they may well be counter attacks on the situation developing in the united states with trump impala. mm. you know, some people may see europe as a block and it certainly is in many senses. and yet at the same time there are different blocks or individual countries that have their own particular interest. poland might be approaching the trump administration. in slovakia might be approaching the trumpet ministration. one way germany and france might be doing it a different way. let's talk about nato. specifically though, to what extent a this is salts is leadership here crucial to keeping natal whole and unified well, nato. we have to say comprises countries, what, well beyond co europe, the europe here in union. and it includes countries such as the canada in north america and to the key, which is not part of the european union. so it's

a much larger block and much larger association and the european union itself. but of course, within nato, the united states is by far the most important member at the moment and the best most important contributor to, in terms of troops and money and so on. and so to try and stabilize nato, i think what, oh nato leaders including shoulders have been saying, is that they need to i agree with what trump has been saying. and that is that the europeans have to take a lot more responsibility for security in europe. and they have to listen to the loads that the united states has been carrying for many decades and to take over some of that load as europeans. and there again, we are. and what you were just mentioning, we're talking here about the end, the searching of association of several of more than 2 dozen countries. um and finding agreement between those countries is not

a simple matter of distributing that load. everyone is going to have to pay more. everyone's going to have to contribute to more in terms of weapons and personnel. and so they will be some talking about who's going to pay for watch and who's going to contribute watch. but i think in the end, they all agree that europe does need to take more responsibility. that the united states needs to be relieved of some of its responsibility. and that will obviously be a continued appeal for the united states to remain within nato. and to remain still is the most important. and you could say the key member of hyatt to pun, stay with me. of course, chief political editor, mikayla clifton, joins is again from the munich security conference in mckayla. i know at these conferences there's always discussion, sometimes with spring going on in the corridors there. what do you hearing about what we expect to hear from the german chancellor?

just moments from now. well i have to say because everybody, and what was striking here is that because there are elections and just a week's time here in germany, how everybody was listening more to the opposition. the task that each maps from because of the cdc to simply because he's a head in the polls. just to highlight this, he had a meeting with the us vice president who would have sold didn't a scheduling reasons with sizes. so when i saw it's has a moral voice here, he did come out with a statement and we do expect him to really push back on the united states in essence because there is, this is expectation that he will actually remain in power for more than a couple of weeks it will take to home a new governing coalition and he is not free to to speak now. then someone is very likely to have to continue to work with us trump administration. having

said that these elections haven't taken place yet. i'm simply going by what the polls are very clearly indicating and have been for very, very long time. so that leads to an assumption here that's and last thoughts as was well not necessarily followed by accident. he also came out with the statements very strongly demanding a seat at the table for ukraine and the europeans on the eve of this conference. this was off the comments from the texas and the us secretary of defense, which made very clear that the board is of ukraine will not remain on top of that. there will be a concession have to be made and that was not consulted with the europeans olds. and then the new ones that this is now a mass of one piece to also increase the defense capabilities here in europe. but how much of that will actually be followed by accent is very,

and so at this moment in time. so yes, everybody will be listening closely. at the same time, he will be followed by. so it means that lensky ukraine's of presidents afterwards . and it will be very interesting to hear how he wants. he's had a couple of hours to reflect on what has been said by the trump administration so far, where he will see his position and all of this. he's highly dependent on the united states, but also on many mikayla. as you're speaking, we're looking at a split screen due on one side and of course of life pictures inside the hall for all of shots will likely be speaking in moments. we saw him just take a seat after reading some dignitaries in that room and including you and the lena bear bock and you've made it very clear that it is essentially a wayne john chancellor at this point. and as we lead into and wait for this speech, i just want to ask you very quickly, do you believe that to a large extent,

he is really talking about sort of cementing his legacy with this speech? well, he will, when he's all into legacy right now, but he's also all into campaigning. he's valid that that could be for the miracle that could see him in his social democrats make it's they did last time around and were just hearing it so, so far as getting introduced essentially as the german salanza. but quite clear to you can tell from the sketch of being from the bi lateral some who still hear that laugh sold is not a given the kind of weight any move it as it should be as dumb and tom. so, after all the doing the world's largest economy sort of force depending on the day you us and of course, and make a lot of following all of shots that not necessarily right after he speak. but at some point afterwards, we're going to be hearing from the,

the leader of ukraine. i wonder, just i'm being interrupted because we have the general answer later fall, let's go live to a total of shots. once it's damaged by days slid his instrument. it is only 20 columbia just some here, said to you to the concentration camp of the house, the hi. one of the places where on speak up of crimes against humanity were committed by germans and in the name of the german people. american vice president visited the house the day before yesterday and said something very important. have to with the sides, you said, and i'm quoting him, why we should be committed to ensuring that it never happens again. you can reach things up to me. i'm very grateful to vice president funds to adopt importance statement. they never again, it's the central lessons like with germans land up to the 2nd bill for from the horrible experience. the rules of national socialists, terra things,

of course. and that this was possible, by the way, something be very much owed to the great support america extended to us down this never weekend, most the historical task mission that to him. and he has to lead father to day of today. and when he leaves a day after day as a liberal democracy, never regen fascism. never again, racism never again, a war for aggression. and that is why the overwhelming majority of the people of my country's done so i'm a french, i knew 32 things. who clarify or justify the criminal national socialism? i gave to you some property from the ring, surf which national socialism and its monstrous crimes. crimes against humanity, like the ones committed into how we're trivialized as just a speck of the 2 in german history. that for a commitment to never again is that for not comfortable with the support with support, it's not reconcile with support for the if the, the

full time fries. and we will not take the sense that people who look at you and many from the out the side, intervene in our democracy and our election send in the democratic opinion for me. chris to name sister fish fancy stuff that they just don't done something to set the north to months to friends and allies for your friends and do today and will protect it. but to get stuff where democracy goes from here is for us to be far, it's good to give them a door to days. democracies into many into europe. i've found it on the history of man is and realization that democracies can be destroyed by radical anti democrats . and this is why we've created the institutions that ensure that our democracies come defend themselves against their enemies and rules and that do not restrict or

limit our freedoms unprotected. and you can either find it for defending freedom and democracy against the enemies. the consent has always protest together as members of the transfer of time to community, and that is what brings us here to get faster and we are in the demo today. the focus of freedom and democracy. we stand at the side, if you crane, which has come under attack. i'm like, honestly, and i'm mindful please, i got the american administration, that's where your fund of common objectives, of preserving the software and independence of ukraine. this software, an independence has also be to be reflected in the indigo association and send it to the doctors for we me. and when we say nothing about ukraine without q crane, that's not the i'm, it's, you don't, you know, direct. we could just write that ukraine is involved as we begin to talk directly with russia and also some i myself spoke to the rest of the presidents several times of trying to convey to him that we'd like to just piece and ukraine. but i'm

explaining what that means as far as what other, as i trust. in fact, we all agree the most and not precious war against your crane must and toes as quickly as possible. the comforts of thousands of dead also have been wounded millions which was enough to set countries from the 40 men immeasurable sufferings . and on top of that you have the increasing escalation. and so, but i'd say sion of conflict, right, who to expression strains for me. rom comments and troops from those korea estimates and the reason from yemen, fearless protestant, as conditions of the dangerous question, actions against member states of the transatlantic alliance or the cartridge information has such as for 7 casualties, have c cables and other inputs attracted to us and attacks these information attempts at manipulating democratic electricity if enough to 3 years before the fact remains that by those who the aim to change board is to the use of force put the extra 12 piece order by voters must not be changed to the use of for

the most, please principle must apply everywhere and at all times for every one of them fresh or was to win this whole. and if you crane where to collapse, this would not lead to lead to peace prize. i would continue to st in peace and stability in europe and beyond. that would only be possible if this one frontier, a few crane is a sho, dictated pace with that phone, never get us the current developments. and we will say no, except any solution that leads to d, carpeting, year p and american security number 50. and the only person who would benefit from this would be president 1014 year old. and even before students, europeans would defend these interest as a files with a spirit of self confidence and unity in the upcoming negotiations. european. so as

the countries that support ukraine, trump, it provides a strong support for ukraine and as strong as it takes and far as way, just as long as it takes just note. and when it comes full assignment at the end of every negotiated solution, ukraine must have the forces that take needs toward us another possible russian attack. because on this on will be an enormous challenge and financial material and just accept terms and to cran will not be able to achieve these on its own in the for see the future even though the concept the support of us europeans and also found trans atlantic and international partners, apartments are few crane will continue to be necessary in the same same which we've been showing. major burdens together the sofa because according to the institute for fed fix actually, institution for the board economy, american to many other ones who provide best part of the biggest support to ukraine and absolute to take us america is the 1st in relation to which he cannot make

springs, however, the term of the support is 4 times higher than the american support. this is what we mean by effective burden sharing amongst allies and pub class. and we want to stick to that and sharing some of that is the intention behind that $50000000000.00 . the 2nd load and germany too would be able to continue to give this level of support to ukraine. dec pray can find in germany's constitution provides for exceptions. in emergency situations, i believe the whole in the how to fuel is an emergency such as and what else would it be? and i'm sure that we are going to receive the majority in the drum and for this talk to the upcoming elections. even though some of us might want to avoid addressing this, i should before the election of entity, sol, so beyond those and we have to reach the significantly, our defense expenditures know attorney for us to become and remain an l. i. s i

level with united states, but in order for us to europeans being able to continue attentive in face of the future. i learned, oh yeah, take, i'm going to be the slides that pressure of pages and a t thing. all nature capability targets that are required for that kind of kind of level. just for me it's always been, she is up to $100.00 opinion. you, especially the funds that we set up after the war to ship newman for the federal down force is about to fast. not too too high, reaching both that 2 percent targeted to keeping defend spending at 5 target will require an additional 13000000000 from 2028 on ritz and every of just have to send that weight press and we spend a full hour defense. and on our defense would equal another 43000000000 years on them these, i know mr months if money went to king. by the end of the decade, we will be talking 3 digit billions range that help pepsi, anyone who maintains that you could find that money by carrying out to coach yes or

to hear from the crow budget is like to the citizens of my country. wouldn't mrs. and therefore, we have to make sure that price after the upcoming federal elections, we reform defense breaking our basics, no constitution dentist by exempting security defense and i predicted hit and now that we are going to get the majority for thought to, to the like that you guys, listen to the 29. i'm sure these national efforts have to be implemented in strength funding here because they hate to abilities and fact that this makes a include, you know, that we have to ensure that we keep key technologies in europe to make sure that they've become established. that we also the to strong european defense industry waste because each time an introduction of the most important groups of munition and weapons and the fatal will cover this on the possible if a combined or just as a european level and destroyed to restrict, unnecessarily our defense industry coming to date on supplements,

and at the same time i say i definitely wouldn't know kentucky for transatlantic integration of our defense industries, time into the future to we planned to buy new american defend zip codes. again, here do we have to explain here and know how we're going to find the funds for that and your and stuff? and my suggestion would have to be that we include an exemption or rather interrogation industry, predict impacts of the european union for any investment in defense equipment. that's laurie's about our nature target of 2 percent limitation time and price trying to process the fiscal. something as a full members, gemini, is ready to do. so here's what you said. thank here is peace and security and true . and this has that for to be the if you're of a piece to strengthening european capabilities, has to take face. and it can be defined time frame to move sleepless on this boat seat to create a declaration of a genuine, a win win strategy with either one or 100 or 2 choose to put in the united states

if shared with the game here. and on the other hand, it would lead to strong guys here i'm to see what they may not have them, and they would also strength and of nature as a whole bunch different across the whole spectrum of the trans atlantic dimensions . which to ladies and gentlemen, as i see them unix security conference is the ideal price to discuss this idea of the website in one particular realistic look at the free and nice that to just high time point date. thank you very much. indeed, the kentucky and then can be a must me, it's of, i mean it's, i to thank you the, the editor of the economist. i thank you for your very robust comments. powerful comments. i want to start with your comments about the vice president speech yesterday. you said you pushed back policy as how about the job and politicians and

you've said so many words. it's apt when outside is inside sierra german and actions. but uh, president trump, yesterday called to speech brands and said he agreed with it. what are the consequences for us, jem and relations? when the american president and vice president have such a categorically different view of european democracy than you do? i think it's important that we understand that germany is a very strong democracy. and as a strong democracy, we are absolutely clear that the extreme rights should be out of political control and out of political decision making processes. and that would be no corporation with them. and we really reject any idea of really rejected any idea of cooperation between parties, other parties and dislike stream right parties. i think there is a strong consensus between older relevant policy,

some germany that they won't do. so i hope that's true. but last and continue. but it is absolutely sure and necessary to say it is not others to give us the advice to cooperate with these parties, which we are not working with for good reasons. especially when looking to the history of our country. do you think i was in this thing in the vice president's speech was reflecting on oh, you mean old is very relevant as discussions about you cream and security in europe? the, i think you've answered my question, but i mean, it's somewhat seriously. was there anything in that speech which was a broad side against many aspects of europe that you think is criticism was reflecting on? so i think this side of the questions we are discussing here. we should be very

clear that free speech in europe means that you are not attacking others in ways that are against the legislation of loss we have in our country. and that's the case. there is no difference between difference between the digital world and the local. but to say like this, and we have to be very clear that hate and, and, and all this, which is so bad for us societies should be not the reality of public debate. thank you. let's try and see the subject said, i think you hope the vice president would address yesterday. let's transfers to actually defend spending, which you, um, you made some very strong points just now about what you thought needed to be the scale of defense spending of what needed to change in germany in order to pay for it. particularly the debt break. will this be you said and i, i would you said there was a majority in this country off to the election. does that mean you think it should

be a condition of any coalition agreement that there should be a reform of the debt break? it's to my point, it's necessary that would change the view we have to these questions is since many years it will be absolutely impossible to finance 2 percent and even more without changing the depth, the regulations that the risk regulation we have from germany. it is impossible, and we helped us out of the situation with this uh, extra fund of $100000000000.00, which gave us the opportunity to do the necessary investments and to have more than 2 percent of g d. p invested in to defense now. and we will be able to continue, but this front ends in $27.00. and then we have to take it decision for the next future. and it will be not that we raised texas by 30000000000 and it would be not that we kept investments into the streets and, and re ways and,

and investments into the future. false society or in social cohesion because of doing more for the defense. so it is absolutely clear that without the change and the view of looking at this, that threat relation, we wouldn't be able to fulfill the request of 2 percent and even be would be absolutely unable to do more. and this is the same with many other countries in europe, and that's the reason why upset we have to re think also i'm in europe. the question my concrete proposal here is that we think that when it goes over 2 percent, we have to have something via our criteria of that regulation on the against spending. absolutely, a new echoed comments made, but it was enough on the line yesterday when she proposed something similar. can i just clarify that both on the european side and with a debt break? is this a permanent change? should defense spending permanently be excluded from that break?

i think it should be for a long time and possibly permanently. we have to discuss this together. but we have to be very clear. it is not for doing a new pension schemes. this is something we have to afford with our own capabilities in our countries. but if you look around the world, you will not find too many countries that are able to do even that much for defense if they are not using also their chances for going to finance with software and bonds and, and the like. and so it just absolutely necessary that we are clear on discretion. and i'm really, really a bit discussed that we have especially in my country, but also in other places. the idea that it's something which we will be able to do just in the way it will not happen if we are not serious. if we are not

honest with the people telling them that spending more for the defense would mean that we have to increase also the depth we have, we will not succeed and it is done something we wouldn't do. and that's the reason why so many countries and you did not for the food, a 2 percent criteria, why they were not able to do it without acting against the cohesion of their own society. and i can tell you, i spoke with many leaders in europe and when behind the door, when the door so close, they absolutely clear. if i would do this, i would have no chance to convince my public. and so we have to be honest, in this case, and all these on not on this debates are the problem for a real decision they were in the past. and if that would not be to be very clear, if the would not be this wall of aggression of russia against ukraine in nearly

every country, what's, what have said, we look for the 2 percent without doing anything. and this should not happen again that we meet in waves that we want to assigning a document about 2 percent. i'm not doing a bit forgetting that when i stopped in the office as a finance minister, the budget of the defense ministry with 37000000000 now it is to get the with the extra fund, nearly 80 together with the defense spending and other and other resource like for an office and, and, and, and so i'm, it is 19 that we spend so what sort of an increase we had in the past. we would not have been able to do this without the extra funds and we blew not be able to do it without extra debt and we have to transfer doing so just tell this

united and we want them to 7. has that to g d p ratio of over a 100 percent, but to me we're going down to 60 united states are above 100. 20 utility is above 140 dependents above 200 something. so that's the reality we are facing. we have to strength. we have to power and we have to economic capabilities to do what is necessary that you put this very stop and very clearly. and i think it's a very strong argument to make. the politicians have not leveled with publix. have you done enough to level with the german public perhaps before today? because do you think the german public is ready for the scale of defense increased spending that you say is necessary? yes, i think so because there is a broad support for all those saying we should do more. but there is

a reason why it did not happen in the past, but this is what i explained. and, but if we would tell the people this would mean cuttings off 3xb4xb a year in all the necessary things to be done in the country, they will not agree. so it is the only possibility to do something which is about this regulation. so we have, can i just turn in all those questions to something more short term president trump is clearly signal that he would like to get president putin by hands around the negotiated table to do this quite quickly for next week's month. so going to be very important. you have an election next weekend, is the polls are to be a lead believe do a unlikely to win this election, as well as the same last time. but i won't, but you will be jobs until a new coalition agreement is formed for the outside world. how will gemini speak

with one voice? how will gemini be a credible partner in the coming weeks and months if there is no clarity around what the next government will be? or indeed what depositions will be. how would you ensure that you can be the leading voice in europe in the next weeks and months? this is a long tradition of drama need that the corporation even between parties that are fighting against each other in elections are, is, is strong enough that we always look at our country and how we, we presented another in this situation like this. so i have no doubt that we will be able to access to the broad consensus in germany that you will be working together to ensure that you have. and if we ever the, all that we did all the time and vice with this not to be the case again. and so i'm very sure that it's just that this is a particularly delicate time with particularly consequential decisions being made. but this is one of the law achievements achieving. so if the drum and

constitutional framework, where we learnt our lessons from the weimar republic, we have a very strong, a government that always is able to act. and we have a broad consensus between the democratic part is about the need of trans atlantic partnership of peace and security in europe. so that i think that we will be able to do all what is necessary with this sort of consensus that also gets the legitimacy for what you can do. it's auto care from the various comments and the template ministration. precisely what their approach is going to be towards you credit on towards vladimir putin. but one consistency theme seems to be a greater role for europe, a less row for america in supporting ukraine. if they take the radical end of that, which is really pulling back from any american support, is germany in particular and you are

a willing and able categorically to step up. i do not understand as the united states administration in this direction. so even what we heard from the defense minister of what we heard from many others and also from the president is that they would continue to support ukraine. this was also what i learned from my talks i had with president trump. when we were discussing, especially to twitch and ukraine, and every one should know. and i think the united states administration knows that it is also an important and necessary message to 14 that he cannot count on a reduction of the support. because otherwise, he would not do the necessary compromises. and so i think a strong ukraine, which we gets our support, a strong message to the,

to the russian president that's at the support of the united states and a few of food continue. and then the request for fab piece that is not the dictate piece, is what we should look for. and what became the chief? because in this meeting, we should be very clear. the putting did not reach a relevant of his goals. he was looking for making ne, to more weak and getting more away from him. now he has finland and sweden. this new members, nearly everyone is spending 2 percent of g d, p. for the defense. we are more looking at defending our countries in europe. if that would be a military aggression against nato. so this is a complete difference to the time before a 2nd. he was looking for some thing of a proxy regime and to clean his boarding for this is dean justification,

but he means that he should control who is the president and what they are doing. this will not happen. you cream is not a strong democratic nation on the past to the pin union, which we opened and which is very base, but it's a box where they can get to the end and the member of the pin union. and the authorities, what he always mentioned is also in the phone calls i have with them the complete the demilitarized ukraine. but the truth is that you claim now has nearly $1000000.00 soldiers and the weapons. if you count altogether that are relevant for the better future that they will, eclipse park would be better, but they are really eclipse by a bus, them munition bombs and all the, all the kind. and because of this, it's absolutely clear that a post law ukraine would have a very strong army. but this leads me to the question how,

what is what we could get for guaranteeing the to clean but not the face. the next wall was russia some years later, and my view is the 1st of all is the strong if you, queen, which will be over us over there, the size of their economy, which they could not afford from the strength of their own economy. so there will be a responsibility in the post more times for europe and for united states and for the international partners and friends. so if you bring to make this happen and all the sort of security guarantees we give should be designed from this basis. so the key is a strong ukranian army, which you helped fund that support. but beyond that, there will also be a need for security guarantees. what security guarantees need should that be?

do they have to, to be credible, need to include the us? yes. and this is the basis of nature that we do all the voice the same thinks. and i will be very clear that all this must continue to be the basis for the will be deciding that there is not, says the secuity between the united states and do you pin partners and that we are always involved. so we've 1st involved when there was this aggression against the united states and went to war, enough guns done this process. that's as one of the cases where we worked together . and this must be always the basis for what we do, that it is clear that if there is a negation against the soldiers of european states in europe, it is also the question of the united states. so should be, should always do the same. this is the basis of may to and power strength and for

making russia clear that they cannot split us, that's very can have tons that would have. so it's thank you very much indeed. thank you. the phones in the q and a at the municipality conference following. what i might say was a fairly fiery speech, where our democracy goes from here is for us to decide that was followed by a very loud applause. in fact, i counted at least half a dozen times that the german chancellor was applauded during his speech. it's very difficult cons um i should mention. i'm excited to talk to hans braun here. so i failed to introduce him. i'm sitting here with the, with hans brunt and dw, she political letter to make

a little cook. now it is asked the conference. ponds of course, is here in the studio with me and as i was saying, hands before, he interrupted myself. it's very difficult not to view of the chancellor's speech is both a sort of a deep throated reaction to the remarks by the us, vice president j. d vance, and also an 11th hour campaigning stop to retain his transfer release trip. the in the following next week. so federal elections? what's your take on the speech? but i, i, i thought it was quite interesting the way he started. he started with this and never again, which is a key frame, is this key malta of the german government of the, of the german states postal off to the 2nd world war. and that is the crimes that were committed by germans during the 2nd world war advocating of 6000000 jews. and so on. he was referring to a j, the balance of vice president of the united states having visits a concentration camp young unicode from that. so from that time that he started

with that, that they put it on a very um, fundamental basis for why the germans and people in europe in general, reject cooperation with parties that are to some extent, at least a, of a nazi i dropped id, ology and then he went on to defend european, the european system, european democracy. and there were several sections in his speech which were in a sense, director at the drum and public sections of the speech, where he talked about how to strengthen german defensive, saw how to find the money for that. and so that was also part of the discussion later. these are actually things that he says in his election campaign almost every day. and so it was a mixture of these 2 aspects of defending europe as a whole of defending the fun foundations of european and german democracy. and at the same time, some campaign speak the us vice president. again,

making it very clear that all of your is engaging in widespread censorship and that they should be cooperating with who ever the population decide should should have power. and i think the german trans, we making it very clear that no one was going to dictate what happens in germany, including the fact that they don't want to cooperate with the far right. let's listen to what the german chancellor had to say about that far right party. we're talking about the a f d of hi stacy as impromptu, from the ranks of which national socialism and its monstrous crimes, crimes against humanity like the ones committed into a house which trivialized as just a speck of the 2 in german history. me. that for a commitment to never again is that for not comfortable with the support with support is not very concerned about with support for the if the polls are correct, this is a chance look who will not be a chancellor at the end of next week. do you think comments like that will help

them in the upcoming election? again, that's something that know that. and he says that there's something that old policies in the democratic center in germany say, really with, with the exception of the, of the, and positively policy on the far left. and so it's a, it's a german consensus in the population. an independent tickled c, a s was demonstrated by these huge demonstrations. we had in favor of this kind of democracy and against corporation with the fall rights. and so i think what he's expressing that is not on his own position, but it really is a position that has a very large majority in german society. she political editor, make a look of the joins as now from the unit security conference. mikayla your take on what we just heard is i thought it was a very interesting is that what i saw so made it very clear. and actually you named the fall right alternative to germany, which is something that's 80 von actually stop sort of doing despite nice and

meeting with the lead to of the party in a hotel assist. so look away here from the munich security conference with deliberately the forward alternative for germany was not invited. we spend a lot of time talking about, and this is also an interesting point that would have sold the german defense minister all these german and europe indeed is a nobody to see actually who got others to hear what the united states has to say or defense whether and how and how much it could withdrawal from europe, what the security guarantees in ukraine will mean for the europeans actually change the agenda at 2 ends the forward if the party became the bone of contention to the center of attention, which is rather sing at this moment in time, we also also struck me that would have so once again at set is support for ukraine defense spending against spending that

t close for the keys and of society. that's essentially social spending here in germany. and that part is clearly down to the elections of that is not necessarily backed by what is, but it continues policy here. so there are other minutes is that activity address which i'm an audience only because he has an interest to get the conservatives. he, the free days met to this verbally agreed to an exemption from the debt break before the potentially takes office. the most likely will as the next chance, if the following is anything to go by. because that would take some of the routes he currently has in his public speeches. waynesville varies probably defending that, spending them it. so don't have inside baseball, german politics taking place on stage as well as the same time when i've sold taking a very fun stand on that and europeans, the germans will stick with that form of democracy,

which is not when it takes it will. it is built to force policies to form coalitions, most of will find compromise a lot of inside references as you put it in. also a lot of subtext and i don't know solutions remind our viewers. this is the munich security conference. so the, the term of the day really is security. and i found it interesting that the german chancellor made it very clear when he said the borders can't be changed through the use of force. now, you might be able to say that that is a rhetorical flourish that would be used by anybody in this situation. but when you think about context mikayla, i couldn't help but think it could be a reference to the concession that the u. s. appears to be ready to make to russia when it comes to the warranty grant. well, that exact sentence was also a part of his 1st response to the attack by russell on ukraine 3 years ago. and it

can also be read as a, is a subtext to this because the united states are questioning where the foundries can be changed. it's debating over the head of denmark and green and over the potential of a sense of the taking over control of greenland. so the whole question of orders has been thrown into doubt by the united states and new administrative as well as i did is also the time. so once again we, it's racing that international law should rule and it shouldn't be is the whoever is the strongest that the full rule in the future. but these are words responsive who is to see as is lame doc at this moment in time. and all the more important is that he's using root canals. he still has to make these points to put this on the record, but very fast. the attentive will now be on the new leader in germany,

but also on brussels on the european union to either get its act together and speak with one voice will sit in the name of european democracy who pretends to be be divided, which is clearly also the intention of the trump administration to read the drill down on the rise of a coffee. this policy's writing policies here in europe to data france has the slides as those who pretend sleep will provide that leadership the united states so much once from the european union. mikayla, i will remind her of yours, hans broad is here with me in the studio. you are there at the scene at the munich security conference. we're just moments from now. we expect to hear from the alarm is the landscape, of course, the, the leader of the ukraine, and i want to stick with you for a moment to you. the president will be speaking shortly. what do we expect to hear

from the landscape? i will expect to hear a very cassidy was a message because he will find himself criticizing what is still the largest supportive ukraine. the united states potentially at the ukranian delegation is very novice, a very concerned that trump and foods and could do a deal over the heads of pretty much everybody, the europeans and ukraine. but he can't really cool it out. see, is tied into what is his support line at from across the atlantic, from the united states in germany is the 2nd largest supporter of ukraine, both in ministry and in economics, ton ton. but all the salt has been on the record many times saying that the germans, the europeans, even simply cannot fill the gap of the united states. so you will be reading on eggs cells as the premium present. voting is events e a,

when he makes his point here. and i expect him to make the point once again, that the fight against russia and ukraine is, it is about the fight over this. the sovereignty of the european union and the senses of weston owed, as no, it's which cleaning is also now being called into question by none other than the trump administration itself. mchale, or do you stay with us? of course, i will remind viewers we are waiting to hear from a lot of his zalinski, and we may have to break away to hear the leader of ukraine when he makes his way up to the podium. but let's continue this discussion for a moment. hans, as we await zelinski at the podium, i'm curious as to where the relationship right now is today as we speak between ukraine in germany. i think that's very, very strong old gentleman. politicians of notes continue to emphasize that they

will continue supporting ukraine. whatever it takes, as long as it takes um and uh, we just hooked up from the drum and tron so that he said that several times also in the subsequent discussion podium, discussion questions, answer section of that's a risk will continue even beyond the peace process. so he was saying, for instance, that the ukraine, once the piece has, should have been or has been achieved, the ukraine will continue to need support with rebuilding, but also with the, of forming a strong military. so that's a to has a credible and a defense against a possible 2nd or further attack from russia. so i think that is very, very strong. the support for your crime, the problem is the money. the problem is how do we finance that way? do we get the funds from to make this possible? and this is really something that to show, spend a lot of time on it discussing saying things like we need to be able to take the

day and make make dates basically pick up money somewhere that we don't necessarily have. and various rules, both within germany and within the european union should be a nuisance. so to make this possible, and i think what you have there is that on the european level, that is not yet a sense of urgency. and that these things need to be happening quickly. one hasn't done for several months, possibly is that's a trump administration as possible. and the americans even on to buy and even on the obama, was saying that they want to reduce their engagement in europe. and the europeans have been pretty slow and adjusting to that and changing the defense industry in finding money to finance that and so, and so i think that sense of urgency is something that is happening now. and that is also felt here in germany, or the resolve certainly appears to be there on the part of europeans and certainly

in the part of this particular german chancellor. in his speech, he said a dictated piece will never get our support. clearly a reference there to whatever discussions president trump might be having privately with the russian leader vladimir putin. but i wonder, as the german chancellor surveys the last several years looks to what possibly may be the end of his leadership, whether he might be questioning that sense of urgency. whether that urgency should have, should have happened earlier. or i think he would probably say that it's his achievement, that a certain sense of urgency is present and all of that he responded with an age a speech, a major turn about that, call that the websites and then the, the new era that started with the charge of speech after the attack by russia on ukraine in early 2022. and indeed, that has been changes then. so to some extent,

that has been an additional additional funds have been made available, additional defense capabilities are being built up. i don't know, this is taking quite a long time shots, which claim for himself to have been a leader in pushing ahead with this. but within the european context, we are talking about a dozens of countries with various different problems of their own, domestic, a pressures and so on. and that's always been the problem in the you appear in union unique, lots of time, a lot of patients to coordinate things to make things work on the european level. that's just what's putting a brake basically on the situation. but i think under the kind of pressure that's been coming from united states and all in the last few weeks since the trump took part, the sense of urgency i think, is going to increase even further. and there is

a sense of activity as we looked at the live pictures there at the unique security conference. we don't know what's happening, but we do expect that president the alarm is zalinski will make his way through the crowd shaking. i'm sure of the hands of some dignitaries on his way to addressing the assembled people there. we don't know what he's going to say, but i will turn now to a mikaela cliff near. she's still with us. this is mikayla there. right? yes, i'm here. the types of little music lensky just entered, the building behind me. so he should be arriving in that main stage room, any minutes you should just be entering through the door that it's also interesting that he arrives so closely to his scheduled time and didn't sit in the list and 2 germans, hans, that will not sold a volume is it less you cause how to find last will meeting with j d von cus present yesterday, which clearly would have been the most important meeting he had?

and it's also a reminder that this is what the security conference is about in the end. at those 11 meetings taking place in the court who was here in the hotel and the surrounding buildings are very high level meetings and lots of the things that we never actually learn about. what is the tone if they can, you expect that the lot of minutes of landscape will try to strike at that podium of the one hand? there must be some, i don't want to use the word anger, but certainly some concern about the conversations that the trump administration is have is having with russia without ukraine in the picture. and at the same time, she needs washington. you must be incredibly frustrated. he learns about the phone call between trump and to see an officer. it took place and that says it already. he has gone from

a position of the us administration that always made said that nothing would be decided over the heads of ukraine to getting into position where we will. he might actually find himself in a position where he has the choice of presenting a position as his own or just facing that. that is the position of the united states. so it's a very, very difficult situation that he's in a already with the us statement on the record from the tech says you a secretary of defense that ukraine will have to make concessions. that is a position he had previously not held. so be very interesting to see how most of that frustration will come through in the was he will be choosing very, very carefully here on stage at the munich security conference. and what are people essentially saying, what are they risk, bring in the holes there about, about the zalinski, about what he's going to be saying in this speech. and about essentially the us

position visa v negotiations with the i've been i think this is like my a to 9 piece security conference and throughout the time that was a wasteful that the united states woods withdrawal from europe that it would do. it's or it's attention would be elsewhere, and heading towards the asia, china with china over taiwan was a key issue. okay. i'm gonna, i'm, i'm gonna, we're gonna go back in. so i'm gonna throw something together though i really hate doing that. just wanted to let our viewers know that chris, of course, skinny, it was the director of the unix security and conferences. now she thinks we have the podium and we imagine this conference that what he is doing here is winding up to a introduction of presidents, a lot him as a landscape crane and presidency. lensky was here, pleading for the interested community to stick together. we all know what happened

and the year after he was here virtually, and last year in the present. he was here in prison and this year i'm very happy that presidency lensky, and is again speaking to us, present zalinski over the last few years has been a very courageous leader of his country. and that is ukrainian. people has read each end behind, savings interested community has already behind 2 men. i think it's very important that the transfer from you sticks together. but it's also important that the ukrainian societies sticks together and there is no which driven into the ukrainian society. we can only beat rusher together both here and didn't ukraine, so please work on with me. the president of ukraine. mr. simmons, the

thank you very much. thank you so much. thank you for, for your thank you for, for your support. thank you for invitation or the are ladies and john tomorrow. at the starts of the conference. every country usually shares its stance

priorities, whether officially alternator or through informal talks with john, unless we spot this and these here, a concert that was not even invited still made his presence known. the con there that everyone talk smaller here is not in a good way the night before munich. be here. there. awesome that tags wrong. so i the circle of, i guess covering that early in force re x or update your normal nuclear power plant. it was modified, shaheed drawn right syndrome at technology ran best on to rationalize warhead scary. it's at least 15 kilograms of explosives. and

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the parties, young blonde, which is currently occupied by russia. and russia responded by sending ads room to heat. sure mobiles, circles, i guess, wait shows, reading dust and debris. and this is not just madness. this is for access stems. a cancer that launches sites at techs does not once piece, not they don't want. it is not preparing for dialogue. almost every day process ends up to hundreds, even more shakira drones a task each day. and regular ballistic me, solid tax and a steady increase in the aerial aerial bomb strikes my debt. small toll. these here most gold plans degrades 15 new divisions,

adding up to 150000 soldiers that small them the national armies. most european countries are, isaac, keeps opening new bombings, recruitment centers every week. and 14 can afford it. oil prices are still high enough for him to ignore the world. and we have clear, we have clear until that the summer rocks have plans to send through the bellows, under the pretext of the training exercises. but that's exactly how they staged forces before that full scale innovation to ukraine. 3 years ago. is these russian and forcing beller was meant to attack you cream? maybe or maybe not? or maybe it's meant for you. let me remind you of the other was more this 3 nato

countries. it is effectively become a foothold for us the military operations, according to both pointing and lucas and go below, arose now horse bound weapons, med room, arrangement size, and even nuclear arms, which you clearly seize. biller was and adjusted other options pro vince now. and we need to be realistic. if someone is setting up a military launch pad, we need to ask, what should we do? it's about it's and more importantly, what can we do before the next a tech. the next animation, remember that i've already been for locations on the policy and lead to any on board. there's ways bellows. my grand prize is stage by russian intelligence to

store up gals. and you're a bots. what if? what is next time? it's not my drums. what the, if it's russian troops or north korean drugs, make no mistake, no screens are not weak. they're learning how to flight. no power to flight. the more than more. and what about your arm is, are the ratings and the fresh of launches falls flat corporation or just, or just straight top with. we know in seen it from bellow, slide called try me a good taken in 2014. how fast will the allies respond? and will they respond to a tool? yesterday here in munich, the us vice president made it clear. the case you said the case of the old relationship between europe and america are ending from now long things will be

different. and europe needs to adjust to that that is in jasmine and i believe in europe. and i am sure you believed to him. and i urge you to act for your own sake, the and pull the seat for the sake of your people of your, your nation's, your house is your cube man. and our see our future for these you are of has to become self sufficient, united by commerce, trans ukrainian, and european right value brainstorming, supported by global a changes so much is holding back russia. but if not to us,

then who most of them are really led to be on us. now we con, throughout the possibility that america might say no to europe on an issue that threats and that many, many leaders have told him all is your that means its own military. and i me, and i mean of your, of and i and i, i really, i really believe that time has come. the forces of your must be created. this is, this is, this is not how did i'm standing form against russia and tax as we have already done. but this is not just about increasing defense spending as a g d p ratio. money is needed, of course. yes. but money alone will not stop and then it may as old people and the

weapons going to come for free. but again, it's not just about budgets, it's about people realizing they need to defend their own own home. without you brainstorming and your assignments will not be enough to still bratia. it's reality for today. only our army in europe has real morton battle field experience. but our army alone is not enough to and we need what you can provide of the weapons draining sciences, financing, political pressure, and unity team. 3 years or full scale war have proven that we already have the foundation for a united european military force and known as a fight this war and laid the ground water for peace and security. we must build

the forces of your so that your future depends only on europeans and decisions about your are made in your the that's why we're talking with you are being leaders and with the united states. have all the military continues that can insure this and not just in ukraine, but across your and that's why we are developing joint violence production, especially drones, especially the dentist modal. for example, of pull team investments for alms production to be in, in our country is already working well, where are you? where are you? where is successful last year alone, thanks to ukraine in and partners fords. we produce over 1500000 drones of various types you brain is now the world leader in there on the warfare. these

is our success, but it's also your success, of course, and ever seeing we build for our own defense in ukraine. also, stan, since your security and the same suit applied to our taylor, you are the task technologist and aman vehicles ever seeing needed to protect lives in more than more should be produced. any you are a fully your of has ever seen. it takes your just needs to come together and start acting in a way that no one can say no to your boss. it's around or threats it like it before. this isn't just about stockpiling weapons, it's about it's about jobs, technology go leadership, and it can all make sense for your last full in my big 3 plan. i propose her

blazing part of the us military presence and you are with ukraine and forces. if your brain is in maine to off costs, if the americans themselves decide to go that way, decreasing down presence is not good. of course it's very dangerous, but we will in your need, need to be ready. and i started discussing this even before the us election elections because i could see where americans policy was caving about to america needs to see where you are, is hating this direction of european policy. you sued in josby, promising the food bank. america want to stand with a strong you are a, this is absolutely possible, i'm sure with, and we must shape. that's cool. so your mazda decide its own future. we need

confidence, you know, move fast, so that others have no choice, but to respect your power. and we validator, opin army, and that is impossible. once again, your needs is own armed forces and i know i know my crew to my good friend is listening to me right now. and my, my friend, this isn't about replacing the airlines. this is about making your contribution to all our partners equal to americas. and we need the same approach when it comes to diplomacy and working together for peace. ukraine will never accept deal its made behind our backs without our enrollment. the

. and the c suit applied to all of your no decisions about ukraine without you bring no decisions about your without your, the, your, your must have a seat at the table and decisions about your bar be made. anything else is 0. if we are laptops, negotiations about our own future, then we'll lose look at what 14 is trying to do. now. this is his game. within one's one on one talks with america. just like before the war. when they met in switzerland and it looked like to call them up the world next put in, we'll try to get the u. s. president. standing on the red square on main,

on may 9th this year. not as a respected later, but as a pro, in his own performance. we don't need that. we need the real success. we need real peace, the time and your main or fully understand what 70 in watson's on right now. but let's focus on understanding our sales right here you, are. we mazda, gives trance to your choice. does america need your, as a markets? yes. much as a l. i. i don't know. for the answer to be yes. you are a nice, a single voice, not a dozen different ones. even those who regularly come to motor a lot going need to be a part of

a strong you are because president tom does, doesn't like we friends here specs stance. next, simon, you are maybe frustrated with brussels, but let's be clear. if not brussels, then most cool. is your decision the best jo, politics. that's history. most go will pull your powers if we, as you know, people don't trust each other. a few days ago, president tom told them about he's conversation was put in and all the ones the to mention that the american needs you are the table that says

a lot the old days are older when america subordinate europe just because it always had my president tom once said, what met? this is not the family you where born into bots, the one you built as we must build the closest possible relationship with america and yes and you relationship, but as your appeals, not just a separate nation's. that's why that's why that's why we need a unified foreign policy. a guardian aged diplomacy, the foreign policy of going on you are and let the end of this war be our fil shields success in this new reality. and we are already working to make sure that

on february 24th, the source and there was 3 over access, full scale invasion, we can gather together and keep an online all your purely this all key part. this cool defends our security from spain to freelance from reasons pulling from watching. don't to talk your this meeting mazda leave a clear vision for our next steps on peace, security guarantees and the future of our collective policy. and i do not believe in, so you were to go to this without america. yes, it to be just weak. but america will not also guarantees unless you are well own guarantees, a strong. and i also will not take may to membership for you great. off the table, but the right know the most influential member of nature seems to be put to him

because he's williams. have the power to block need are decisions. and that despite the fact that it was your brains are mean that stopped russell, not in need to country, not nato troops. not only our people and our army. and there are no forwarding armies fighting on your brains sides in this war. but fortune has lost almost 2 150000 soldiers in this war, over 610, thousands have been wounded just in the battle. of course, our rules eliminated nearly $20000.00 russian soldiers. we completely destroyed the north korean units that put in that to bring in because his own forces ran off enough to hold back our under offensive 4 or 6 months. now,

your grass had been holding a foothold inside drops and 10 or 3. and even though it was rational, that wanted to create a buffer zone inside our left in ukraine and i am proud of your brains. i am proud of our people the but now i ask you each of you to one of the answer this question e for our south game for you. who do your on a flight the same way. i don't want anyone. i don't want anyone to ever have to find out god for the it's. that's why we're talking about

security guarantees. and that's why we believe that the floor of any security guarantees for your brain must be made to membership score. if not, that's the conditions that allow us to build and not the nato right here in ukraine. because at some point, that will be the border between war and peace. where that border is drone and how strong it is. it's up to us. my proposal, you branch east and boredom. miller royce, eastern border, the eastern borders of the baltic states, freelance, east and border. that is the strongest security line for all of us and you are because that is the line of international law the

. and do we still remember what the international law as it has to be honest, international law, these tours. all right, it sounds a bits i'll digits, but i believe that your mission is to make sure international law still met us. and finally, one last point, once a year to guarantee scan put an offer before the war, many doubted whether ukraine's is usually good to with stand for us and, and pull just freshman by the end dance. it was put in who faced and rely on from wheezing. he want the one who had to defend his own capital from his own war lords that alone. so see a weakness. so what happens to the 1000000 the russian troops currently fighting in ukraine, where they go on a flight, if not in ukraine. this is why we kind of just agree to

a cease fire without the real security guarantees. without pressure on russia, without a system to keep russia in check, to fight us boot and pull troops from syria, from africa, from caucasus, even from some part of montalvan. and right now, she faces a shortage of fighting forces. and if these war bands their own way, she will have a soul plus a metal desk of soldiers who know nothing but killing and looting. and that is yet another reason why this war cannot be decided by just if you lead there's not by tom. but with him not by me and fulton,

not by anyone here in munoz. sitting down with put in alone, we must apply braz or together to make real peace the we can get him the key for real security guarantees. no, just because he's a liar. because for us, um it's colorado state needs war to whole power together and there was, must be in protect it from that. so trust the forces of you are as not read to me. 2 seconds icama, european foreign policy sorts a level of european corporation that wasn't on has to take seriously force international law and fips keeping all pressure on rocks. and we called that the pressure is what guarantees piece not put into words,

not just some papers. putting lies, he is predictable and a is we, we must use that now, not later. and we must act as you're not as a bunch of separate people. so some say that then you your comes not on january 1st, but we have the monique security concerns. these new year starts now and let it be the year of your united, strong security and in peace. a piece for your brain piece for you are a piece for all the walls for all your families. thank you so much. the

homeless. exactly 25 minutes. you had a not so subtle message for both washington and moscow without citing them. specifically, when he said, i will never accept deals made without us behind our backs and also a message for us when he said, i 3rd, you to ask for your own, say your houses, you children, very specific terms, because those are very specific meal terms for him for the better for the 3 years, i was president, thank you and the children that don't understand why not being interrupted, they'll be in a lot of time, it was written down. and actually i for seeing the show number 4 to, to expand and we will listen to them. now the american piece piece of this you of to your phone call with president trump said that you did not hear enough detail to make this a piece plan. can you just elaborate what you meant by that or

can i speak ukrainian? no. don't pressure on me. okay, so yeah we, we, as really a long conversation with the president of the united states, not to a swan and not law last i'm sure. and the we, we, we, i mean, really between us, i'm not sure that by phone we can manage all the plan all thank you or is it guarantees with all the details because you know, that are in details. yes. and we know where is this data in was country now? yes, that's why we have to tools to stop him, to stop put in. and it's very important for me. that's why we are the most here of the, of the, our discussion is good. but really it's always good. yes. but we need to urge and

very concrete steps. and i think we have to work on it. our teams will, we, we, we begin, but i think that we, we have to start immediately to do more deep decisions. we'll get into that as in the moment, but you did also have a separate conversation with vice president j. d events last night. you and, and who your team and his team as well. did he provide any more details? and you know, we have to bring up that in 2022 here. basically j d events that he didn't, and the quote, i don't care what happens to ukraine one way or another. do you feel that he's changed? said the trump administration. and the actors you're dealing with, understand what's at stake. i'll be honest. we have to work on it. although us not only me to me is not enough freelance. i think we have to work

because i think that's it. you know, we together in your, of the words and you are, and i'm, are they saw from the, from the invasion. and i think that we need to share more details. because to my mind, there are a lot of different voices around in you american administration, and i'm not sure that all these voices on, on our sides. mm hm. that's why we have to work with these people. even we some europeans, as i said, if i was understandable, i don't know just about the mon or a long day while the yeah, yeah. it was clear, it was clear, but i want to repeat the yes. it's important. it's important for them to to, to be clear. do you want to name names while we're at it? i know names of course i'm not sure on that. yeah. let's just get back to president

trump at a press conference. you said i'm all doors on. oh, sorry. do you understand? no, no, no. speak to all about is what the president was saying. mr. president, trump was aust, whether he trusted putin. and he sort of basically ended up saying on this i do. but he is also said that in frontier is quite difficult to extract what all the different administration officials had been saying. on the one hand, potentially that, you know, maybe ukraine had the responsibility for this war. maybe ukraine called if ever expect to get back. it's unrealistic. according to the defense secretary, it's territory. maybe ukraine will be safe and independent. maybe it'll be part of russia. do you understand what america's position is? so yes, which is i seen to my mind they have for they are in most here for the dialogue,

for the dialogue which will be for the dialogue between trump, them put him. and i saying this is, i mean, this is up to them, but they can discuss everything, the ones, but not about you being without us or that's why in this case, that's why, especially in these case, i think it's a little bit dangerous. that's why i said, did we need to talk more with the president and to talk more with his people with his teams the yesterday. is you sadie? anyway we had, we had moved conversation and i think that i opened some new details for wise president. that's why i said i, we need it's not waste. time is really very important. i think diplomatic investment for the future. just and lasting peace for ukraine to

you. yeah. sorry. yeah. so you're going to say shortly on your order. yeah, yeah, yeah. you just sort of yeah, i suddenly got already and i'm like, i'm sorry, you said pushing doesn't want peace. i mean, you just set it down. it is really a hit. so. so what is the dialogue and have you convinced the americans that a ukraine has to be at the table and be, i guess to you are paying off to convince on all of their levels on all the levels we directly. yes. where he directly send this messages that we have to pass security guarantee is like a main part of the stopping, putting it and solve this war and where important essential and, and we said that these can be without us. and that's why i don't know if we don't have from my point of view, if we don't have for today coleman plan,

it's minutes for me that the united states doesn't that. because if they have something, it's not about us. i mean, this is all, it's something you do. we don't want this new reality. yes. so that's why uh, you know, what was, i was just asking you whether you have convinced them that you must be at the table . i of course will. of course i've had the i thing that day is good, that 1st of all we have to make a plan with you. i said to the president, it was the day when he had phone calls was put in and for with me and filled with him. and then with us and how did that sit with you know, i said that to us with food and, and then with you as i'm not happy i'm yes, but i've seen that that's more dangerous. if phil's meeting will be with put in and then with you, great. and that seems i shared with the president from that sort of all we have to

see common views. and i said also that at the table we need your ripples. so it's very important for us, we are, you, are we in europe and we see our future want to live in you like to member. so that's why for us is very important and your help to us at all. because when i speak really, when i speak with different officials of the united states on new administration, i last handful for them that they didn't frozen their military support. it's very important and my emergency painful things again. but when we speak ice, i really understand what part of supports deeds america during these 2 years and what fewest support made you are. and it's important. did you get a commitment from president trump that you would meet with him 1st?

do you have a plan to meet with the president? you know, we have our plan, of course it's our country and that's why i, it's, i want to, i think it's understandable, but we need the common view that that's why we are rated for the common plan. and i see that it's not is asking whether because president trump says he'll be putting maybe in saudi arabia, maybe soon. has he said he will meet you. you said to me that we have, we have to meet. and i said to him, also we have to meet, i think that's i said still that we have to meet has and i but we understood each other because i didn't say about it once. said it's several weeks out. yeah. so that's why i think we understood each other and these very important . yes. because if we can repeat the more that each day,

we have an office. and if president of the united states, or are the latest repeat this words, ukraine has laws as we have to stop the war. i mean that each man that we have urgently to meet. if we really want to stop and meet with the concrete thing, dates and days and plans, so you talk about losses, obviously heavy losses. you mentioned rushes heavy losses as well. um, you were talking to president trump and you know that last year around this time, last year it was president trump in his allies in congress, which delayed for approximately 7 months. the aid that was meant to come to ukraine when i spoke to general associate, you'll come on the in ukraine just a few months ago. he said the delay and aid did cost lives, costs, territory and cost. a lot of you know, strategic efforts in ukraine did. did you mentioned that to present from say no. i say we spoke about delaying and about the decision of the congress and the police

positive decision. i was thankful to him. it was in september when we had meeting during his election period. i think so, or before the election. i know before a little bit before. yes. yes. so it was very important, a decision i was saying, full bipartisan support and, and also mike john, some be make positive decisions. so and also to present drum because if i'm, if you wouldn't be supportive, they couldn't was this decision by 3 land help which we need very much steel is going i mean, not ever seen. came you understand? yeah. so it's, it's very slow and i think general 0 is the was right. that's one of the reason why we lost. but i don't want to think about killing me is or is, but i'm ready. i'm in this. yes, with last uh about 4004000 square kilometers. yes. but

of course if, if that helps could come. you know where it quickly and everybody understand. as we said last, this was man, this we expands. wait, wait, wait, wait, wake would be in a more good conditions and precisely because of where you would need to be to have any go. she ation to end the war. that's why i ask you this. so you talked about security guarantees. what details do you think about what would be a security guarantee? apart from joining nato right now? what would be a security guarantee in any ceasefire or to freeze or monitor any line of contact, which is some 1300 kilometers long, because already a defense degree headsets said they'd be no us troops. we don't know what, what it looks like. what do you think it looks like more strong sanctions? not if they will innovate again,

just more strong sanctions. the worry beginning them. uh, them now. like you said, i really, it's difficult to hold the board or long border big yes, uh for you cream and ukraine. a soldier, that's why we need the gar me. i said as yesterday. yes, we need army more than now. you will not the nature. then, as i said, nato has to be in ukraine. the advance only one that we will need to the army comparable with soldiers of russia. it's one point. so your 11500000 soldiers. so we need the money for this. the package of money already a money and the it's big deficit even today for us is $40000000000.00 per year. so this money and then the bathroom and the baggage old me size. what was read them in the victor plan of the baggage, which we will not use. we will not use,

but it has to stand on what there are there. and if we don't, we'll begin you innovation, we will use it. so i things these, these issues where important, this is a priority on foreign troops, european troops. yes, we are open for these initiatives and we understand, i mean most of understand the details, but we need to discuss these details was leaders. i don't want to be now, you know where a lot of old teeth so, but we understand that we need it. it will help us. and one of the big question, the treasury sector he's got present came beyond your country of, i believe essentially i gave you a notice that uh, this is what the administration wants in terms of how much of your a sweat was minerals. trump, himself is said, i want $500000000000.00 worth and that would be fair. he said, what is your response to that? i know you've been talking about rhetoric even onto the idea of talking. yes. so

what is, where do you stand on that? we're still talking to not $500.00 millions. you know, that's all, you know, a lot of history a, you know, are, is there. yeah, they have been a lot of different carlos with different american administrations from even from my fewest year of my tore them from 10 to 19. so i had a lot of different dialogues and we're in process. finally, i want to ask you a follow up one more time about the said in the, in his introduction, the political situation in ukraine. you've been in pa, for a long time. this marshall you haven't had election since then. your mayor of kia vitale keeps go, has criticized you for that. and so many other things, promising himself, cause you indigent him and he says, i'm not going to negotiate with an illegitimate president. what is your view on when the time will be right for actual elections during sci fi tools, offices, 5,

or what? interesting, what college course, the both man really doing on. and so i'm telling you what your opponents and some members of civil society. mm. okay. so i'm surprised, i mean that college boy is a great sports man, but i didn't know that he's great speaking, but i respects him. so i'm focusing on surviving of our country. and i'm doing really all my term the beginning from different dialects. as i said to you, continuing with colby, it's as all of us, but tough of my total was covered and either half of the war with support or against him. yes. so this is what's really very important.

i'm right it, you know, to speak about elections if you want ukraine is, don't want totally done to along because the freight because otherwise for the lose their military law we're law and our soldiers will come back home and put in the will occupied all our 3rd 3, it will be because now we have mobilize, now we, on one of the news. yes. so we are one country. yeah, that's why it's very important to hold and to save it. and it doesn't matter. i mean this, we need, you need to in concrete. so is not involved in, you know, myself, it's about the future of our country. it's about for today. really. the question is to survive. the question is to save ukraine, our independence, our people, our homes, and the if somebody doesn't like they can choose and other citizenship if

they want. we have real estate, me to show what real estate. uh huh. um, i think i have a time for one kind of one question from the audience. maybe one or 2. somebody. but a question. so the president apparently knows what is 2025 going to be in ukraine. do you believe it will be the years these more to the point? do you believe coach and has any intention of allowing a independence over new train as we really want space and we'll work on it. we will put that security guarantees, like we see, we will share it with the united states and i hope they will see our, their view. as i said, come on view for me is very important to hear all our partners in your who helped us you plus of course because you k, all part this big partners. and that's why it's very important to prepare during

months. all these things to share with the president of the united states to find time for these to all work. come on meetings to make this come on plan, then to put it on the table, full points and, and do ever seeing that seeing what 3 president drum, he's strong, he can do with sanctions or browser in any ways. in any case, how he once and up to that, to stop this war, this year, 2025 megabits in new. great. this is how up that was. we really want and that was we will try to do. did you tell us was reported present from the truth and is only doing this and agreeing to talks because he's afraid of trump. did you tell him that? yes or i told drum. mm hm. dad's potent afraid of him. yes. and he

shorted me. and i'll put a nose the i shouldn't be laughing, but you do make me smile. so we want as he is like you've been, we have to leave and we have to smile. we have time. that is always the conversation between the and c names this me on, on for the following the training presidents at 25 minutes address at the meeting security conference, it's where we find the deadlines chief, political editor, make a little closer. and dw hahn's brand is here. with me here in the studio mikayla,

i'm going to start with you of what's your take on what we've just heard. the zalinski turning your castle, line the and but most of all, warning the europeans that the conversations he's had with the american side. never or included so far, and this administration, as he does the table for you, or when it comes to negotiating a peace between ukraine and russia. the ones that they will into to be essentially a border that separates between war and peace. he makes the point that that is not necessarily a geographical border and he throws into question the future of nato and says if nature is not working, he would want to build a ne, to like struck to in europe. this is a very self confident about the fact that his own um,

either ukrainian army could play issues role in that. and it come very interestingly, he actually did side out of the conversation he had with donald trump, where he had visits that the key told trump that fruits and was afraid of him. and that's true, quite a bit of it to my actually you, towards the end of it also, we heard music lensky that there are many voices around donald trump. and clearly he himself seems to be struggling with having very different voices informing the us precedent. a very precarious situation that the premium president is in now unclear about when folks will say, take place over his country. unclear how much he will be involved, or at least informed about is what role the europeans will play. and adamant that the europeans essentially need to get their act together to be

a town to wage in terms of security. instead of simply relying on the united states and mikayla. more on nato, as, as lensky reiterated his country's demand to join nato, saying that the europe could only defend itself against russia by fighting together . if russia came for you, who do your on a fight? the same way? i don't want anyone. i don't want anyone to ever have to find out god for bits. that's why we're talking about security guarantees. and that's why we believe that the floor of any secures it guarantees for your brain must be made to membership or, or if not, that. then conditions that allow us to build and not the need to write here in your pre. because at some point that will be

a border between war and peace. mikayla, is there any talk at the m s. c, what the security conditions for ukraine could mean? there's a lot of talk, but no clarity on voting me is lensky himself made very clear that security guarantees that do not include united states are not valid security guarantees from where he's standing and that he would only agree to a peace deal of with russia. if that is guarantees, but that raises a whole host of other questions, the united states has already ruled out that it would be deploying its own troops. but what it's still unclear is whether the united states would then vouch for any kind of international security force. on the grounds in ukraine, but 1st of all to.