the thought head over heels are not everyone here still has a dates with the guns for the and that's the latest on the double your news this our a marietta ever staying? i'll be back with more headlines for you in about 45 minutes. thanks for watching the re compromise up on the right. or i'd take the opportunity to upgrade your cation and he quit opportunity of work in 2024, ask um women sat down with a ton of on demand better. right? so women of us scanners, the sharp edge of peace, stop smoke set. the, the artificial intelligence is already having an impact across

a number of sectors bringing about new opportunities, but also harboring certain risks. one, the fear is that a based technologies might lead in future to mass layoffs. so is that going to be the case? i've been speaking with julie bass tumble director general of the geneva based international labor organization. thank you very much for joining us here at paris today, super heavy. we're here to talk about artificial intelligence. obviously, there are lots of areas where i will have an impact on these areas. include the labor market. you're obviously, especially when it comes to the labor market to tell us, according to you, how much of a scratch is a i to work because what we see mass layers in the future in the medium to long

term future. obviously it is true that is so i don't know if i should say it tight, but clearly we implied in most of the, in the millions of jobs. and that'll be the last, and us, hundreds of thousands of jobs out all the way the, the last. i just sim token, we also do know that you don't create millions of new jobs. and right now the delta is that the positive question is, how do we manage the transition, which is, which is one. and secondly, obesity made some work to do with the demands for lucian, also existing job, the own government, ation of those jobs a more than the clinic of jobs that i went to a 3 disappear. so is the more we will prepare,

what goes into that transition and that comes formation, the better to be for all of us. so which is one second, the, the, one of the concern we have caught in to lead the political go that much more at risk of being taught to the ultimate, the, what the mandate i provide the domain in to lead by we make and therefore the diabetes will affect the much more we meant and therefore the agenda got is the concern also that we i'm we cause so what do i been seeing aisle is very important to take into consideration the risk of development, increasing the new qualities and the picking up yet policy major at the beginning and also insisting on the skill the lease community for ab scaling so that you know,

as community would say is not just going to pick up your goal. is that in the ability to work environments that to pick up your job? are there certain set stressful areas where you think a i will have a particularly big impact after the sectors that will be more severely hit, put all those sick to or jobs activities that um much more to pick these up and is it not just blue color we know is both blue and white colors from so could that be a job or do a recruitment job or the interpretation jobs except that would be, is it really placed or speech and i thing and the next set that up we also would be is really place does a little activities open sectors that are at the 3. but i just said token

of use video also put communities all the a i in green. and it could only jobs these days. also, what's entities that are being um, offered the for the i t, this is why everybody's talking about this. then you know, the science technology in getting it in with the magics that leads to much to my job in the new environments. and when you say that women will be more severely white as not say is that because they are mostly working in those sectors? you just mentioned, notating those sectors, but right now, so that's typically we do know that the clinic of jobs that are much more um, uh, at the risk of ease, much more, okay. 5 by women and also not to on the estimates. when we go back to the scaling of scaling, you know until about 2545 in terms of that to them,

legs of age, age and that age. of course women also it's the vehicle also there are some instability in terms of a family um which, which means that we also need to make sure that the social protection skins that we, that we put in place doesn't don't because i mean big demand for them in addition to the family, because in job to have to go to the scaling program. so it could be very sexy the on the on that. so the more we will have made but spitting in the family. this most abilities. well, we will have special protection scheme that's created the flexibility for them to be a so the 3 we scaled the better. it wouldn't be for alfonso. now do you think that we have seen major, don't last as it doesn't really look like it, does it with job gpc that was invented 2 years,

2 years ago. do think that if we haven't seen major talk process yet, does that mean not? it's not going to happen, or does it mean that it wouldn't happen? it would happen if it is happening. it'd be, we don't need the seats that people are on the screen. so it must people live in georgia. it's already been happening because it is moving, such as fast pace. that's, you know, i do have, i do know some said this, i'm going to national organizations that have stopped using the breakers that simply using ai to ensure that interpretation services. i'm, for example, you do have subsidies. i'm what the, because that apps that the, the use of a machine a robot several years ago. now that increasing the of that. so you have to

talk to these way more than cods, about all what's in the human being in producing cause or, or equipment. you've been talking about in equality and they're obviously also other examples for biases that could be reinforced because of a i for example, for you know, hiring algo, racism algorithms, web eyes, how built in actually your organization the aisle what, how are you doing to make sure that doesn't happen or to mitigate, such as that. i mean a personal goal. i do believe that if the building of the gods, we can do the outgoing to continue devices. that's and then also if we have the ability to bid the outgoing to continue devices, it also means that we have the ability to undo those. i'll go to them. so it is

a matter of policy kind of we and the policy. this is why we encourage you do policy nation. secondly, our concern in terms of the new qualities is the digital access itself is that we go, we're all talking about it because we or you have easy access to the internet. and that's digital internet access is not too big for granted in a world wide request, you do not have enough didn't admit, but in addition, still it did. charlie, your whole digital infrastructure is it, is it charlie in the data, you know that you, as a spent to date, there's not a without data. and the data collection is some, probably many part of the world is a big challenge. a lot of the spots, things that we've got to be based on the data collected, essentially from the global notes, you know, on,

on that. and we know that in this off we have companies with up to 80 percent of the economy is in the, in formal a 6 to is there any form of the code on the? so how do you put the data on that in parentheses? so can that be built into an environment? is that another good? so those uh, where do these go? so, you know, qualities will also increase. right? so we've been talking about the press about the columns as a but as you mentioned, that also opportunities, for example, a item how with labor shortages 10 from i don't know if it's all about mr. r a. i n a francis employment agency from the time i call somebody they recently signed a corporation agreement. so mr. thought a i will for example provide chat, thoughts on the agencies back. so i do think things like that model. so i thought that we will see that more often in the war. can they be duplicate to those where i

mean, fundamentally, let's face it, whatever you like, you to not any c, e o, that's going to replace employees a by, you know, the boards or machines the will, that we have to take that almost for granted. so for those, this is not too much the big issue. the big issue is, what do you do was the, the employees, employees that at risk of losing the job. secondly, what do you do the employee employees that, what do we mean in big jobs? and how do you ensure that at the end of the day is not just the amount of economic gain? how do in sure, that's the human centered approach remains on that. so there is

also some kind of a slice it essential. also site to a question at the end of the day, what do we see our less being on on that we don't spend the controversial, what i'm going to see. and we know we can use and we shouldn't maybe use it. i to simplify the work we doing, we have to use a, i to increase the productivity, not only the, the workers productivity but, but it to the fact of productivity. but maybe we should also point, see that's what i sent it. i would have help us to reduce the number of our work in a week. why allow we the walkway to keep the same salary? so that's we put in rules, the quality of our lives. this what i'm talking also about an existing short was the site though. charlie is that we have that you just cannot be an economy driven

decision. are you is your organization and actually with lots of governments and companies to work exactly on these aspect. if so home. well yeah, because you know, the, uh, if you look at the aisle or the international labor organization, strong, strongly, our governance has 3 major bodies. this, what are we talking about 3, but it's about baptism. we have the government, then we have the, the, the, the private sector, employers, we to cut through the employers organization. and then we have the trade union on that. so we all have to engage with those 3 bodies. so i was in doubles. and 3 weeks ago also, and we are both sent to the engage on those matters. when we take a step back, finally, i'm how you as a, as the head of the aisle a. how do you make sure that there is a balance between necessary innovation? but also walk of protection. this is the challenge we have. um, um we have,

we need to always find the balance between jobs, protection and economic goals. be it's, this is really my argument right now. i'm afraid that we just looking at a i to the lenses of innovation for economic growth. innovation is essential, are we all have to push for innovation. we all have to push for a i on that. but what we advocating is also to bring in, not only the economic, but also the environmental protection of the us and decide the dimension to make sure that the 3 tea laws move side by side. just as a last question, what's the bottom line for you? do you think is more of a challenge or more of a threat to i don't know if the chance is a chance. but if we have to work on the policy dimension to make sure that there's a chance that the benefits human nature. thank you very much to beth symbol,

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