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we had some of the key players at the table. peace through strength, a plan for you crime. hello everyone. i'd like to wish you a very warm welcome to peace through strength, a plan for ukraine. this is a special edition of your to those conflicts down here at the meeting here to conference. i'd like to get right to it. we have lots of discuss um for mr. of ukraine after all of these days after everything that you've heard. so 1st this phone call, the trump initiated with putin leader informing zalinski and then your nato aspirations, the full territorial restoration being called unrealistic by the us defense secretary and the subsequent talks. that's lensky. his head was trump, and later with a band swear, i know you were also present as well. i'd like to ask you how confident do you feel at this point that the us will have your back? in any ceasefire a peace talks. phillips,

for the zip with unity to stop our discussion. so i would the legation at all and i to communion return of them. no, we shall much more, but they're more and more confidence via i'm not alone. i remember very well, i am very it ours visit presidents directly from monday. oh, but see if it go through a 10 unit confidence as it period. all you put in them. warnings had been you cannot had been a not this time. my point of you'll be fail, hope we have a whole and you don't really quote talk about you, it'll be a moment above the, it'll be a moment. and besides a moment for ukraine, there is no doubt the only way to achieve long bluffton just piece

for ukraine is the concept piece. so splunk and you cream chris recipe crowd, which you leave these. it is important lot money if you're late to visit them. the bees via talking about just company sounds too long. lofton piece, not the absence of war. you should not repeat the mistakes over from you. and you need shepard's a to throw in the 8 to 7. yes. a go. and we will never accept this. no decisions resolved your credit and nothing about ukraine resolved. ukraine. and both of them, nothing above you would have been resolved. euro, it seems to me is also a time for you to demonstrate strength. i have to say you sound

a bit more confident actually than what i heard from zalinski this morning. who did not seem all that confident that that it wouldn't deal me to develop as so many in use. but as i mentioned the in a much more but than what we already turned in back, i'd like to turn to general kellogg. now if you have just said in the past couple of hours that europe won't even be at the table and any piece stocks. well, you did define it as a table. how should it work? how's the, how's your work? if it, if they're not there, because trump has said, europe needs to own this. well, i think when you say your need zone it in, at the table, whatever you find out. when i say with my definition of at the table, when you're actually sitting down there, you don't to me, that doesn't mean the interest for not taking part of the can not considered. they're not used. they're not developed fast means you have to table, you have an ability in have the input. but when you have to do it,

when you've got those 3 real, really to engage partners with, you, god rush, right? and you got, you create fighting right now and present from coming industry differently to basically be for lack of a better term. we only use an english language like an error walk to a mediator. but he's going to need to take that, that he's going to do this alone is why don't we ever shedding and ever said that? because it's all a definition of terms when you say it. and i think this is where i would challenge anybody out there. when you looked at it said, we've always had them, you know, when we talk about america 1st, we share america 1st has never been america alone. we've never showed that. we've never said we're nice relation to service and actually sions policy. when you work with donald trump is done, you know, challenge people. so this course we've gone for 3 years, 3 years, us. ok. the democrats ruler and dealer under the 11 years. but we're talking 3 years with the russian engagement, or the way when they gauge. when you look at that, this is what happened when you a president noted states in a minimal intervention,

maybe. okay. now definitely some minimal and intervention is considerably different than mine. the tell me, show me, tell me who here and his audience entry shout, are that when did, what did russia do when president trump was press united states? he did nothing. nothing. he didn't. he didn't. and over at president bush, he didn't ever president obama. he did it under present, pardon? he didn't do anything under a president trump, and we've always work that way because he believed he level the playing field to to do that. and i think that's where you look back and you say to people, well, how is america can do this? how is gonna work? and you take pieces thing that is originally an american tom and he's look out of the same way. and we, and so we have had the model, the present drums have the model that once we come up with some piece arrangement, a piece deal, then we will get to work and making sure that that's enforceable. it's a good deal. it's a fair deal. go back to what you present from said in as you, in general assembly and i'm going back on history because, you know,

remember what those payments. poet said, george santano said, if you for your future, get a history be prepared to repeat, it will be basically go back to you at 1st. you in general, assembly speech, president 5, talk about america 1st. that's all people. remember, the 2nd half of that speech was about national sovereignty. he talked about the shopping view of nations, and he said quite clearly and that if a nation's fight ford sovereignty, we will be with you and he's done there. so this is whereas with the challenges, you know, when you say things like that, you put it on the negative and i put it on the, on the positive that dash there, you know, the last 3 years for to the previous administration. and we're concerned that president trump hash, when you look at really happen to ukraine, he says, well, i want to, you know, the, we stopped killing the love of killing. and we all know this, your in world war 2 level of death. when you look at instructions, you save somebody maybe coming to miracle when you came out of their extra city, the size of denver, colorado is the size of atlanta,

georgia is destroyed when you look at the amount of death and destruction within ukraine. so when you use which, which is massive is the level of destruction in ukraine is it's, it's 3 times the amount of gas for the ukrainians alone, as americans suffered in the korean war, and the vietnam war combined over 11 years. so my take on this is if you think you can kill your way out of this war, you can't. okay, it is not just killing alone it's, it's quite, you're gonna have to have with a comprehensive plan, a plan, a, there's work for the allies working together. but it's going to be a comprehensive plan. i don't, whatever my comedy i got your i don't say i'd like to get the response from the polish foreign minister. um, you know, we heard this morning, the new secretary general basically say to you up, stop complaining, make a plan. we understand that there will be a summit on monday. perhaps you can confirm that a leverage. do you have to get back in the game? what's your plan?

well, i to, to convince president putin to become more reasonable. we have to convince him that the price that he would have to pay would be unacceptable. this is a classic colonial. they usually take a decade, look vietnam, look at the l g r e. i look at them go, uh, and just on i've got his dogs shorter than that is a bonus. um, uh, russian economy is starting to suffer. if we convince him that we are not eager to go back to business as usual, that we can sustain it for longer than he then he will make a deal. so all plans should be to stay the course to continue supporting ukraine and to, to support ukraine in its defense for as long as gonna crane is willing to defend itself, stay the course without the americans or what we made that clear and no,

no because they don't they don't seem as if they're in it for the long haul, perhaps a misunderstanding the general. but well, i agree with the general that is that if it could be ended quickly, of course, everybody wants peace, you know, putting on a piece. but on his terms, the question is, how do you get to a deal that i mean everybody can live with and if it can be done uh firestick. great, but for in my mind to get to it foster you should prepare for the medium term. the 1st time i will disagree with the we can doesn't want these. he won't drawer because for him void also is an instrument to control his society, to control. he's gone through in the regions. if you're speaking about the throat he is on so why he wants to war. but if you could put you later, he would have peace, right? so he would prefer not to pay the price. and i'd like to turn to the u. k. 4 and

the secretary, i mean, you can't always likes to say that you have the special relationship with the united states. and through that lens, i'd like to ask you what your plan is right now. but follow trump try and build the bridge between the us and the you present your own plan. let's step back for a moment. it was the us and the u. k. that 3 years ago presented the global community because of all shad intelligence capability with the fact that many in europe said couldn't happen, wouldn't happen. that person was about to invite you cried. and i was in the ukraine the month before that evasion. and i remember looking at all the faces of those young men and women and mt, who had lost their lives because the story begins back in 2014. and since then,

combined, as a transatlantic alliance, we have supplied, you, cried with the military capability, with the humanitarian capability of the economic capability to fend off this war. i'm the bravery the cartridge, the innovation, and you cry, which also doesn't get talked about the innovation and drug capability has been phenomenal. given that people said this would be over within a week. so that's what we've achieved today. that has been a conversation that all american friends have begun. it is a, it's talk about tool. there is negotiated settlement. we know our assessment is suddenly, that putin has shown no design, should negotiate all of it and to say a capitulation from all ukrainian friends, which is something we cannot tolerate. a need cannot american friends tolerate that because it would send a message to of this, let's say madeira,

but yeah, and by that is right now i'm trying to help your imperial ambitions. and so we have to stand up to put him. we know that the truth is in that negotiation, the question is, what tubs one on to what all the security guarantees that ensure the food team does not come back to more so that we have it in jeron piece of what we know, that is a bits up, it's bits up here and i got there. it was, the minutes didn't work. he breach the. um, oh, i see a monitoring that's a sized 20 times. it didn't work. so something's got to be misplaced. this time that works. and that's why we believe an arrow best will populate the nato is important to keep on the table. minister secondly, and i how do you see the 1st steps to providing you creating the security

guarantees that it needs. and that would also make you feel comfortable. i mean lithuania, everybody talks about how you are also important xyz quite closely as well. so as i was talking about it, the european army going forward, what would you like to see in the, in the, in the, the short term, the medium term for long term cause zalinski mentioned european force this morning . as in fact, we're not starting from the most important moment. it submitted that a muscle of your you cannot guarantee security to anyone if you're not strong enough. and therefore we have all being taken a bit. i'd say, well the course of past 4 days. i came from brussels to munich and brussels. i saw a very interesting change in the room full of my colleagues in the course of 24 hours, one from this illusions about tonight to stay. so i'm going to defend europe. we came to early zation, but we are going to defend ourselves with the help of the united states. and that's

a bit different formula. and therefore, yes, we need to be in the room where i negotiations will be because we are going to america consequences as well. and we're going to be a part of it. but storks, just into woods, if there is no money on the table. and we will have to put both money on the table . now we have that of a 7 day case to united states all over europe, the case our region for me 3 the case because we will occupied before that. but now i have less the united states page, so you can security this, that was interest, came towel door, i smile and we will have to deal with it if we want to count to how to create. so security guarantees means that we have to have it kept the ability to guarantee anything also to invest in ukraine, ukrainian, defense industries and european defense industry. the united states defense industry is a critical element of guarantee that mr. put him after to,

to free yes. or however long he will need, but that's not what he was. and i just going to belong to finalize the form of his army to continue the production of defense industry. well, in his case, aggression industry and his country, which is fossil ready. and if we want for ourselves to be strong for ukraine to be strong, that means ukraine. those will have to acknowledge the engineers motivation and we have twice as large capacity for defense production. then we have money for it. bad means also investing in ukraine about also means that 1st step is financial instruments for all europe. to borrow as much as we can right now to make acquisitions as fast as we can price. now, to build defense factories as fast as we can now, and also involving defense industry and asking them to change rules as well. the usual sustainable, careful business building rules no longer apply. we do not probably be believe

anyone in this room, but we, i can be any sustainable agreements with mr. present which can last long. i agree with mr. trump has had and hopefully we will have an effect on mr. quinton. but he is a person who is building his empire and also i agree completely with ukraine and colleagues having the war on his story is helping him as a dictator to the flight. but also china and russia are going to combine the actions. and therefore, our ability to have a military muscle will be needed when we will have both europe and united states to stand against both rational and china and the next stage, which will come soon. i think that a lot of the shock that has happened at this, you know, conference over the past couple of days is, is the matter in which the united states has chosen to engage with putting in and general colors. i'd like to address this to you because the impression is that the us has already given up leverage to boot and before talks have even started. the

foreign policy chief actually use the word appeasement. she said it never works. you have previously suggested, and this is also before you are part of the administration then. and part of this effort that both sides of the conflict will have to make concessions. what concessions will put and have to make a router we, we, you know that to me there's going to have to be things like territorial concessions as well. okay. it's somewhat unrealistic for it to, to expect where you'd want to go to. but it's tara, tara, it jump territorial. it could be or could engagement of refusing to use force redoubts. what is the use of force and in the future? probably from a political side. he's not kind of downsizing. the military forces, hopefully get rid of what we're going to try to do is basically force him to the actions and what you want to do is force him to actions. maybe he's uncomfortable with what i mean by that as an example. right now what we're going to do is try to

break his alliance that he currently has. she's kind of alliance around with north korea type where she's here before. he's got him ranch was a ran that wasn't there before. he's got an orange with china. that was near before me 4 years ago before. but only those pivoted real quickly before is because of what it was really interesting to me. because now which i think is very, very important is the how the what the, the elastic lines is coming together. well, my response to the radical hinesville stop time. glad you showed up. because we shared over 4 years ago. we've had a quite clear you. the native alliance made it clear declaration in 2014 in wales, that by 2024. that is a we would have 2 percent of their defense, g, d, p, and defense, which 20 percent was modernization, wonder and safety. we're still a member of nato. we're not there. it took a long time for these nations to get it had been credit relations of halls who now leaving the back with their well over 4 percent getting and 5 percent on the

defense. but that's a question to want to make and i understand it how, how i mean, you said that you were going to force put deduce fives for how is that what you're going to do that? so let's see. will it be because, i mean polanski said this morning he was very clear, he wants sections on the front end, not on the backend. he wants them now in a for essentially he's excuse, challenge, right? is that on the table? why would you say concessions? of course, the concessions good bush has your get up to get. i mean, you can actually want senior cnc wants, thanks more to singleton deluxe, russia what you should, what you sanctions, as an example. i think it's a great example. is a great example to use it and right now most of the nation outs here of sanctioned, i'm going to stay on sanctions or for minute. one of the sections they talked about is what is driving russia? it's really a petro state, 70 percent of the money they are getting to fund this war comes out of petro, oil and gas. most of that is going through the shadow sleep. most that shadow plays 70 percent actually goes to the baltics. we've intercepted one or 2 of those

desktops waiting united states essentially their fleet by name us as kellogg us, as of course the word separate out there. and now you come up with a plan when you interpret sanctions, if you rate them on the level of $1.00 to $101.00 being low, 10, b, and i were probably the 6th, but unfortunately the about a level 3. so what you say, what does you have to give out? well, maybe it gives up as well revenue and will force him to do it. because of what you do is you're starting point sanctions that break the economic back. we've done this before. we've seen this before. trumpet seen this before. we did, it gives you a range. we nearly broke the radians back with the economic sanctions. in oil sanctions, we turned around, we gave it back to. so this is a point where you say, what do you do? these are the kind of things you may you do. if you think to me doesn't just make if you think you're going to kill your way out of this, you're wrong because he level allows you review of history. because what i mean by that, this is a nation. we're talking about the russian that were willing to lose $700000.00 in 6 months and the bell of stalingrad,

they're willing to sacrifice for hundreds of thousands of theirs that their shoulders in, in a fight in a great 5 by the ukrainians. so much of their bringing in north koreans, the not bringing the north koreans because i think it's a good idea. it's a tell to tell they're saying is they've got a problem with, with banning they've got a problem with shoulders. so you make them pay the price for that, so it's not just $1.00 thing. it's just not the metric of saying it's kinetic military. you've got to balance it all to just across the board to anything times what we devolve into. we're saying, well, it's him, it's a man, it's a manning issue. it's a killing issue. it's an aircraft issue, or fighter bombers or chart. so much more than that. and what we're trying to say is it's got to be a comprehensive plan that ensures that he knows that, that we're going to snap back things because there's going to be pressure is on him that run across the entire damage to put him on pressure. no true pressure, one alone will do there, because usually is mobilized useful tanks out of mothballs. he's pulled tanks out

of museums. they can use a bringing it in north korean troops. so what do you do you attack things other than just kinetic? you don't do, you don't dismiss that. what's your, your attack of their go places as well? uh, minister of course i'd like to ask for your response to that. and also, if you can give us a little bit more of a sense of what's happening on the level and the conversations that are happening right now, that you're taking part in that, because you knows lensky saying that in addition to security guarantees from the united states at least $200000.00 european peacekeepers would be needed to prevent a new russian attack. after any ceasefire. you're the driving force, of course. um, behind you discussions on joint financing of defense, you also hold the rotating e u presidency until june. do you have the feeling right now? because, i mean there's, there's always been this conversation about a common you defense. is this the moment right now for the you? is this the moment where this happens to will there from you, from, from your partners,

especially germany and france. and we've been talking about european defense for decades. there was even a treat team. the 1950s the announcements made at the time of the youngest level, then the battle groups. we're now organizing a rapid reaction force brigade size force. we've pointed a uh, you commission for the defense in space. um, but the defense is very expensive. it's flo, the money is the rule. if we don't devote real results is it will not be serious. and the results have to come from somewhere. and the list of sources is limited, either from higher contributions by member states or from on spend funds from the cove. it bonds on you defends bonds, or perhaps a real moment the bank modeled on the are the but the voted. specifically, to nurturing a and europe in the defense revival. whether it,

whether we do this depends on, on whether people are good enough. and even though it says that to people spend more on defense, the closer we are to russia. but you know, if we recognize the, put in is a fred to all of europe, that it is not then it is not fair for us both countries of europe to be landed with the entire cost of defending multiple comfortable countries and richer countries to our west. from this common threat, which is why it makes sense to share the button through the european budget, we have a defense budget. it is called the european piece facility, where we contribute in proportion to g p. unfortunately, this bus months from is a being blocked by one your pin country hungry, and i hope, but if a general code can help us to persuade hungry to stop blocking these, these,

these but spoons. because it times i have become really dar we, um we have a leader who um has appointed himself as someone who can decide who is the nation and who, who isn't, who, who has broken trouble, who is established by to bloody civil world was the thou shalt not change both as by, by false. so yes, i do believe that the the i, the has come full. it's a treat your opinion defense seriously. secretary, let me, um you have been quite skeptical about hooton's intentions of as you've uh, you've highlighted earlier he's, it's interesting to note that he's not talking about compromise. actually at this point he's talking about his concerns being recognized. um, that's the language that's been coming out of the kremlin. and through that lens i'd like to ask you, how do you see putting not walking away a victor if

a ceasefire or a p steel is groger? well, this is where we learn from our shed history. and shed understanding it was an american and american diplomat, george keenan, who wrote a long telegram back to the united states that become the foreign policy of containment of russia. added crossing that policy, which was a shed policy. we understood 2 things. we understood, and sadly putin is indicative of this, there is a source tradition that he's leaning into paid of the great nicholas to fast in the west of that period and imperial limits and visions. and there is a soviet to tradition. let's remember he's acute k g b agent is the amount of the section adding,

negotiating with him. we have to understand that and relate to that. and of course, what we know is, it's usually will that stops that on bishop to the south, the crime in the, to the east, the russian for with japan and to the west, the cold war. um, we should be deadly serious about those imperial ambitions. and i said in the house of commons, as someone who's assessed its face down, imperialism, but we have to be real about that threat, which is why roddic is right. and all american friends are right. and they've been right since roosevelt about european spending. and despite a but we have done that, it's now the case in europe. we is spending 53 percent of the money on minute traffic is coming from a year from europe. 60 percent of the amount of turn a is coming from europe. but we will need to do more because combined across ok, all g d p. it's about 0 point one percent. we can do back to must do back to

over this next period if we ought to face down booted at. that's the basis of which we go into because the actions, understanding the shop lens of history, we have just a few minutes left. um and of course going to give you the last word um, but 1st i'd like to turn to the defense minister from from likely to to give us your last final thoughts. and then you know, your comments on how concerned are you that, you know, we might be looking at competing visions actually for, for what might happen in ukraine. how concerned are you that you know about ukraine's voice being heard and all of us in my city, mostly concerned about the we're going to do and how foster how we're going to do that. so regarding support to graham, i completely agree with 6 or let me, but we need to agree that our support is measure. it's not by words,

but my money and guns. so detrena gave 025, send gdp last year, and we're going to keep the face of the you can do 025 percent as you to be as a bank at least. but secondly, what we're going to do about us being a credible partner and being able to give any security to guarantees. so again, we are a small country. we have now 4 percent gdp for defense and we will have from 5 to 6 percent to the defense from 2026 to 20 sites. and that's not any. is a decision. and we all social democratic government. nobody expected us to do that on the x ray 2nd day of our appointment to change those rules. but what we understand is that most of which is not going to change math with auto sense. so it's, or this is which i know on my family's,

i mean i come from your family that was him, but his and thoughts it and led by thoughts. but at the same time, i understand that if we are absolute fee and fully prepared for this infinity, this tool that fulton is planning to wage, then this is our only chance to avoid it. and that's what we need to do. and then we are able to help you create otherwise it is just book. what do you think of all the talk we've heard on this panel? interested probably, there's most of the suggestions or ideas, so i agree. but let me summarize and also plenty of ukrainian security, indivisible, as never before, we need to unity and strength. we share what are simple recipe, how the ends is war, please. yeah, 3, chief,

just comprehensive along lofton lead the ship of the united states. but other than from face eve, strong america, if, if i'm other cuz thrown these is at peace. this is the voltage in fees. so because of the that's why uh, our approach to proactively engagement or for the united states, the really good you, you the mix and we don't really believe in this. and we already to discuss deeply resolve or american baldness come to proceed. and we are looking forward for their visit, the general color to ukraine, a very important visit and what is important and part of the lens convention thing to the speech v should go to the night over positions. before we really proved to brush up our ball dress, it'd be once again,

leave the ship both of us say to raise the price for further aggression to russia. sanctions, frozen assets, price of the oil. so we have this ready affect the instruments and the last 4 in the citizens. you claim to strengthen our position and we are ready to keep our assistance. thank you. um that concludes the panel portion of this. we have an absolutely packed room and we're going to have a microphone going around. so if you have a question, please do raise your hand. we will get to you and i'm just going to look around the room ticking of sky a face to some of the tunnels. good letters to the president as deals decides that the eastern buddhist or for europe must lead to the eastern border of dealers as well. so my question is to general kayla and all the penalties and how we make sure that the bills will be given

a solution price to fortune. and what does your belt oppose say it was really just the made. so the question of who's continuing to conduct the terror and the direct our country into the war and to put them. thank you. general collab builders has already been uses upon. and when you look at the villages it's some of the tax basically emanated. then unfortunately, it was a lot of resistance within galleries of that and it said the 2 out a week partner, but it's still our partner of russia right now. when you talk about expansion of it, i think what you have to do is there's like anything else and ideas has because we're not talking always in a large general contact with you can a piece regression. okay, and that's because i keep grab coming back to the challenges, said then what they should ministration. the probably the question was, what did you talk about last year when he talk to you before year and time before? but that's by challenged over the years and said, look, you cannot show me where we are. we allowed of aggression within

a trump administration for 4 years. you can't, you can't do it in siri when they used nerve gas. you can do with a you sizes which at that time was discharged, geographically of great britain, you can say the same thing about iran was showing the money. we calculate the same thing when we make sure things happen to all over the world. this was a man who said, if you attack an american and his last day of the union, if you attack not kill, if you attack in american, your life is for, for it. and much after they have we put an entire seal team. our best special forces in the one country in niger and a half and a half. okay? and then your cell is trying to get one individual who's kidnapped by bandage and we are willing to do that. so the point is you almost have to trust demand for us, the discussion. what you're talking about is what has happened in the past history . and somebody said before, that was the invasion of crime in before which the past history don't put that on

us. okay, this kind of goes back on you on the european environment. but what, but we have a track record, the trump administration to 4 years. what's happening? we've been in, in power. the prison has been power for 25 days, 25 days. but we made very clear that this war must come to an end. that is not, was you heard from last administration? no, to me, the last ministrations had and what i'm not, i don't during away from little bit what you out. but as long as you take as much as it takes, that's a bumper sticker. that's not a strategy. at least come up with a strategy to do that. in our c center, to wicker, in the audience who runs our grade center, the armed services committee. and he knows because when i wonder you ring last time, i went in front of this committee and i explained, this is the way you have to do it. and the explanation i gave him when he put his piece, who's trying when will the trump? when will we know what the trump plan is? once the time? well, it is time for $25.00 days, or maybe if you'd give us within 30 days, we might as already calls,

put very actually effort constituting. so either that's pretty good considering that by being called put in for 3 years. okay. and then the fact the matter the way you like it or not, you have to talk to adversaries and friends as well. you know what you, when you, when you think about it, which was, uh, a, you know, i had a great secretary defense joe, maddest one say a man off like this of a good, but i got to talk to him. but the fact of the matter is that's there, but i think that they don't put on the problems of the last 3 years, which was accepted on us when we've been here for 25 years. go back and because we're going to take another question. so we have a number of hands that right here. but are you one of a member of the problem once you create in problem and you were being so there are 2 um, the general color just for you information that the russian aggression has been started into that are 1416 sold into craniums have been killed by the russian army, rush on me before 2022. and that is why,

of course we are fighting for 11 years and we are ready to fight further together with europeans and together with you. that is why my question is your strategy is to stop the what, what do we in the war? thank you. and can i just go ahead? well, i think the question is, what does, what do you look like? i think you have to ask yourselves these questions as to ukraine. the question because you're finding views 5 by the way, let's be totally honest about it and so ukrainians have part value. i'm like, what you have done to shark size you need is an incredible. and i've been a ukraine and i've seen that i've been for pretty far east and seeing is room in places like out and i know what, what you've done and what you've gone through. and i think there's one of those with the 1st thing you've got to do is, like i said to somebody earlier today is like when you're treating the counseling wars the shoulder, the 1st thing you do is you stop the bleeding and then you treat for shock for the 1st thing you've got to do is stop the bleeding,

because you cannot sustain levels like yes, and that's as you mean, you don't, you know, you may get a steel port and you have porcupine or making this part of the middle europe, whatever. it's going to be and actually it should be well thought through. but i think part of the question is, if you keep fighting or do you want to set this, is it for the long term? and why do you not remember we going back for economy at all now? who's the 1st chest from germany? he wanted to unify germany without question needed. please look over the long term . and he said, maybe just what we looked like when you look at the baltic states, which were subjugated by the show. virginia for to the united states, never recognized that. we think it's called the wells doctor. and we said you can occupy the land. but we, as united states, we do not acknowledge the fact that this is your territory. you know? so this is one of those. when said, okay, this is part of the process. we have to figure out, what does it look like. if you're thinking about victory of in world war 2, terms of signing a peach tree,

you're on the deck of you assessment in missouri in tokyo harbor. that is probably not going to happen. but you have to look at it a little bit differently. and for the long term, and that's what we want to do and want to send the message that regression is not acceptable. and that the freedom and sovereignty of a nation is acceptable and that's what we want. and those are the hard question. we have to ask, we have to address it, we can't run from it, but we also, it cannot be, i believe, from the west and from east or north in the south. we cannot be pollyanna shall by . you cannot hope for. okay, you hope star method doesn't work. so the reality is where you get to and part of it is we want to make sure that there's a sovereign stable successful state of ukraine. that's the big and we obviously, that is done through stopping russian aggression. we understand that we'll do a bit that the final details of that or something that has to be worked out will be worked out. and one of the people have to do that is your present, present zalesky. and you're getting them together,

whether you like it or not. adversaries have to talk ministers to be. i would like to ask you um to have the final word to bring it all together for us where the next steps for ukraine. you know this morning when we heard from zalesky, he said that he was essentially available for meeting with trump. he was asking for it inside a cli, what comes next and the next days and months for you? so 1st i, i would like to confirm that david has a right to speak on behalf of ukraine, definitely. and of themselves, what you are. you deserve this right? so once again is unit instance, we do really have a chance friends as well this year by demonstrating strength buys implementing concept visuals also. and i was by the president from these throws things you should have a clear understanding how we could proceed reserves we need support of the united

states. we need to coordinate our efforts. and the probably to predict the pretty around such true situation been the river and not aware about something to above us, mostly about your grant was of different ribbon that are accept any initiative which was the liberated, resolved off. if you could not expect easy. what's your number in the sense, lucky you know, close to what is your civic pros this as a battlefield also. so you don't really believe that we could get you that mix in our base efforts and be able to do for this. okay, thank you so much, everyone for joining us for peace through strength of plan for ukraine. this has been a conflict done from the munich security conference. thank you so much for your time . the

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