the 5 years officer comes and we remember when the world to stop small shape on dw, you're watching the w news coming to live from berlin for change in germany's national elections. conservative leader of fish merits, as that to become the countries and next chancellor, after a record number of germans cast their ballots in the highest turn. now since we're unification. meanwhile, the social democrats and courage chancellor, all off shoulder take a hammering. but they are the conservatives, most likely junior partner, any possible coalition. and the far right alternative for germany, v a s d celebrates its finished in 2nd place. it has doubled its share of the votes since the last election. and in other news,

european leaders are gathering in queues there in ukraine to mark the 3rd anniversary of russia's full scale invasion and show solidarity and fears of a dwindling commitment from the us. the hello, i'm clear. richardson, thank you so much for joining us. have germany's voters have opted for a change of government with the official results from sundays national election now in conservative finish mass as boys to become the countries next to cancel or is easy to use. the su block is that to lead a future government most likely, with the 3rd place, the social democrats who let the former administration the far right a f. d took 2nd place, but merits refuses to work with them. let's break down those numbers for you. are

now conservative, came out on top with a 28.5 percent. the far right alternative for germany double their share of the vote to 20.8 percent, making them the 2nd to largest party germany's incumbent social democrats offered at the polls dropping over 9 percentage points to 16.4 percent. the greens fell 3 percent points to 11.6 percent. the left party fared better than expected with 8.7 percent of the vote. b s. w which splintered from the left party last year only took a 4.97 percent. that's been just short of the 5 percent threshold needed to enter parliament. the business friendly f t p also fell below the 5 percent threshold, sending it crashing out of parliament. other smaller parties together took over 4 percent of the folks on the wi fi on 1st by germany. how does the rings then say, after being in congress and partner and all of forces outgoing coalition government,

they're now facing be relegated to the opposition in parliament? leslie pays way that was true for the 33 and a half years of the last coalition. this intense election campaign is just one of which had a frequency of events that happened defining the political debate. and it remains the case that this will continue. so germany needs a stable government and it needs it quickly in order to tackle the huge challenges facing us and initiate the necessary steps. i'm sure we'll be talking about that over the course of this morning to the green party and for the election campaign that's underlay not on myself headed. let me say that it was a fantastic collection campaign, mobilizing the grassroots, the party itself was great. the campaign was great performance and social media reached an awful lot of people and was a source of joy, i think for many of our sup or to is. and i said yesterday,

this was the election campaigns that i wanted to wage. i wanted to offer these policies to voters, so i'm very happy and i very much agree with on how things found out. let me show you, but of course phones on these arden. now what we're hearing is, you know, if you hadn't had such a strong campaign, wouldn't be if not, then we would have had a single digit and result or look at the other parties. think about where you started from. and i'm sure, and i think there we had a single digit holding by come and often you lose ground over the course of the election campaign. but of course i know that we want has more for mission. and the question for me isn't so much of where did we start from, but what might have been possible and maybe more would have been possible? so with no further ado, let me say that this result does not support. this is kind of just a give, this is where you live up to what i was hoping for. i was hoping for more. we were

all hoping for a better result for the result of that for us and for the party. my advice or a number of decisions the party is going to restructure in the new role. mitchell. and then on wednesday, we're going to be electing our executive committee and make decisions in our various party buddies. and this was very much my policy, you know, the green party and i assigned to the greens and the idea was to have a strong party in. but i have to say that i will no longer aspire to a central role reduce the size in the party. also, there are a couple of other things i'd like to refer to. i'd like to say that there was a shocking normalization of the a f d and the party program of the as easy. 2023 re migration

towards the was the worst word in the world. and now at least vital could talk about her re migration program with that need any problem and, and were no longer caused any shock. and this is just a year and a half later that term has been accepted. so there's been a shift in social norms and some, and the law on limiting the influx of migrants to germany treats people as if they're a disaster that we have to prevents. they're not a natural disaster. they're not animals, they're not parasites, they're not a disease. and they're, so even the language has shifted on quite shockingly, and this normalization of the a, f d, a, you know, the discussions isn't and that's, and the coordination between and the child is a tendency to you using the support. if they,

if the to get an on binding motion pushed through is another stage of normalization of the far right. and then i can into my, from this you do you as basically just as taking on as the lights position. i don't know what the format was, but there was one format there before 2. i was following it in the car, there was a talk show and there was discussion about re migration again. and i googled what re migration actually means and when it comes from and i encountered an article from early 2023 and it gave an example for through the far right policy. it described re migration and a 5 point plan, a b, a s t for so. so this has been one of the shifts. this word has been normalized and the results of all of this. and i mean, i've talked about it again and again and said it quite clearly whenever we spoke in public as well. but if you take on these positions, you, are we kings this week in english center and strengthening the peripheral parties.

so the 3 form coalition government parties last ground on is definitely what they, chris, the union block, most ground to, particularly the seed you, which based on the losses that it had from, has done even worse. and then it might have done. and this, i know, you know, your home is a dramatic consequences and kind of problems with the new majority is we no longer have a majority that could change the show her, the debt break in the constitutional or your sure our economy. and yet we need this because the spending that we need to carry out is dramatic in order to right the wrongs in this country for technical incentive ization the most for the independence from elan muscle. for example, in space, you know that an error space is all going by x and it's the state, the satellites,

not just the weather satellites. the security infrastructure depends on the line. most cap of data is stored on u. s. servers from companies who are a cluster around donald trump. so we need to ensure that we have technology, security, military security, and general security. and i think the democratic center of our country has been weakened to invite this election. and that is a challenge facing us in the weeks to come with me. check out for an a and you've just been listening to robert. hi. back of the greens of speaking after the greens last 3 points in his elections on sunday was right. that all down for you in the studio with dw was political correspondent, branch regard, spent. good to see you. i was not a great night for the greens. was it? tell us what we just heard there from how back the greens last as all the punches in the former coalition and the women,

how big is said he's disappointed about this, this. there was not a great result. he said, and he also took good, present the consequences you've been don't have a leading role in the past the going on. he will maybe be a member of the one to start, but the for sure. not a him for the party leadership. and he also said it's very shocking for him and the normalization of the fall, right positions, the 5 i language in the public discussion and also the stance on migration from the far right. it says it's very, very sun for him. so a very disappointed to will that topic and it basically, he's giving up yeah. say with his burns, there's plenty more to impact from these elections. we do the one to bring everybody a look at how this election night and folder. and we will actually start with the conservatives were the ones who took 1st place via the cd, the cd, you and c. s you the union block of one. there's 2025 election which ones is gone and previous matches the man in the driving seat as clear winner of this election.

he said to become jim and john sla though he still faces the tricky task of building a coalition, a center right, cd, you see a few block receive the most, both sparkly emoji, and that we're down to 50 percent. it's not the support match. wanted to laugh schultz will stay on this kid. it's a good chance that but his days is jim and his lead to our number is s b d policy. it seems that it's west result and then they're still election since the 19th century on and on for the the can also in the grounds comm raids face is a base or election results of the social democratic party talking to you on different types and stuff on it by the dialogue that on the old tentative for jim and he thought he nearly doubled it supports the strongest showing for a far right policy since the 2nd world war in the post election discussion on public t. v co leader is vital. i realize on the lead visit power was

a honda solve the fire hindsight stretched to take part in the government and on today we will support the cd. you c s. u. when there are motions that we approvals, if they go in the right direction and the will of the german people is clear, he's the only one change. one that they want to coalition between the f b and the conservative assessment, plow spots and dories. i mean, i think united predicted the conservative block would not be able to form a stable government the if the waiting time become jim and his largest party. good man said his boss, he had a little income with the i f day fucking to see the deck on june. so you can reach out to us as much as you like. we will not proceed misguided policies and carry on this more from the green source. small dropping support, punished as old a government, which is what i think because among smaller policies, the less beneficial trauma surgeon support from younger voters. it was a chemist. he needs to find out who will join him in government. back to back regard with that very question. so brand, is this going to be another grand coalition? like we saw in the governments before?

the last one in germany where you see the cds? yes. you together with the cd. if you look at the result, there's only one option for a conditional government. it has to be a collision between the conservative and the social democrats, the sd. because only they have a majority of the majority of the $316.00 in the bundle stock, and they have to give a $328.00. so that's a comfortable majority. and another condition is not uh, feasible on it. so that's the way the numbers have are shaken out despite the s p d, also not performing as well as they might have hoped on election items. because you have to say that socialist actually had a devastating results. they lost the 10 points compared to, to the form that election. they only know at 16, which is the 1st result they've ever gotten in the, the, what a german history. so they have a small in the know you can talk about a grand cause. there's nothing more because the body is actually only a small sized body now and that could eat or alter the conservatives have not done

as they have hoped for. they are below 30 percent, which was the same. so all the parties in the democratic and it'll have half lost. so let's take a look at what these 2 parties are gonna be facing if they go into coalition, into a government together. germany is facing huge problems. huge challenges we should say. at this moment, i mean the entire international order, as we've known it in the postwar period is being re negotiated. is it clear how will government like this might approach foreign policy for germany? both for and policy is the most pressing issue right now because they are now, this is, this is a decision story. i do you right now, not after a long, lengthy clinician talks or something or that they have to be done. no, be talking about this on the day, but be celebrate and not celebrate. but commemorate the 3rd advisory of the russian attack on ukraine and you have to deal with donald trump in the vitals you have to

deal with is like me to put in and also the chinese. so this has to be done in the next weeks. so nobody can wait and that's why and if your dish mats, because the lead off the conservatives and also the acting chancellor from the social democrats or shots agreed to work together already to tackle this issues. and the charts might even take mr. mads with them to international summit at the us and as well as a kind of an apprentice so that they can work together already because we cannot wait until easter. this is the time frame until you might see a new condition government. so really showing how much time is of the essence here . i know for on to another major story that came out of these elections. of course, the success of the, our rights alternative for germany, the a f d. it doubled its vote share in sunday's election. it became the 2nd largest party with 20.8 percent, that according to the preliminary results. now this marks and shift from the fringes to becoming a major political force in germany. despite its gainesville,

all the major parties have completely rules out working with the a, f d. uh that being said, it is now set to be the largest opposition party and at a press conference today at the a f, a d party leader. praise the parties historic result and said that voters wanted to see the a f d as part of a new government isn't by it. we are prepared to take on responsibility in the gym and versus have voted for political change for this issue. we have a strong majority for the a f d, the cdn. back a male high vote is one a centrist right wing government develop institution unlimited. i think you will now it's down to the union, a conservative whether they want to deliver that. yep. so i think right now it looks like that what happened the previous matter seems to be sticking to his attitude of looking, working together with the f d, which we do not think as democrats,

that you cannot simply exclude millions of voted. and so it's down to the union block to see how they deal with this on their own. but what we can expect is that if they do form a coalition with us today, they will not be able to implement all of the f d positions that they copied to learn such as mice. can you please if you put the 2 on, gives them vent. so back just to bring everyone up to speed here, tell us again what the f t stands for here. and then maybe if you could put into context what they'll be able to do as now the largest party in the off position in the drum and put the stock for the, the, the other people for adults as a, as a file. right? a party that has a pods that are very extreme already and also at least by the head of the co head of the party is getting more and more extreme and the reason month and he is so his stands on migration is for example, and very far right now they want to keep out all the migraines from germany. and

she basically offered again a coalition with the conservatives and said, then we can do this because the majority of people in germany want the measurements on migration and how to measure the migration. but this may not happen because the conservatives have to exclude it again and again that they have a, a cooperate with the deep, but now they have 20 percent. they have the 2nd biggest block in the windows talk, 10000000 people voted for then they took all the votes in eastern germany. so the question is, how long can you actually exclude the if the from, from a corporation and decision making independence stuck. and perhaps another question is, how far will merits. as conservatives be willing to go in this government in cooperating with a f t. yeah, that's a good choice, i mean, they excluded it. time and time again. and also for these meds said he would never do it. he personally, it entangled his career of is this promise, even though do it. but let's see they've been the problems on the table of what

happened. and if, for example, they want to call to the constitution to refund the debt break, they might have to have to rely on votes from the f d. but this is far down the road. we don't know what band. thank you so much for bringing us up to speed with the very latest on the german elections. we've been speaking to our political correspondent batch regard. well, a dozen leaders from europe and canada have travelled to ukraine's capital to market the 3rd anniversary of russia's full scale invasion. the group includes european commission president ortho left under lion along with european council president antonio costa. they will be discussing european support for kids with ukrainian president will let them years. a lensky, as washington has suggested, ukrainian processions to win a peace deal from moscow. but i'm here to minister for at least one of the ways the us store c. w, correspond at carolina,

troy has the latest for us from the ukrainian capital cubes. currently i, let's, let's start with the anniversary today. we're at 3 years of war. how have people there been marketing this occasion? well, a lot of them are saying 3 years or 4. it's really a time to win on time to and this war clear. and so you mentioned there are a lot of leaders international lawyers gathered to be here and key of the president of the european commission. yes. and she came with 21 commissioners. how it's really a huge we are p n, a delegation that is here. prime minister to the former prime minister far is johnson is uh, also here. and so we can see there are a lot of european leaders. however, if we compare this to what it was a year ago during the 2nd time, the 1st 3 of this works, there were also a lot of us officials who are not here today. and that is perhaps already a symbol of where you crane is standing. right now, i'm on

a global policy and they don't have the support as we know from the united states as they used to have. and, but it's also something that we can see today on the anniversary day. exactly. tell us more about that because of the anniversary does come out of sensitive moment. as you suggest, ukraine, perhaps on the brink of losing the us support that it has relied on up until this point. where does that leave to well, yes, the united states and it's important to remind our audience of that is that the support are number one. and so, and if, as these type of the support of course. so your opinion has to step in with more support and this is what we're seeing so many repeal the years right now here. they also gathered in paris a couple of days ago as we know. and today, a prime ministers timer, and also a french president. my call are meeting with donald trump in the white house. so the european union, it's really trying to unite and to show a position in order to support ukraine as a unity. the big question,

although is aware. so it's the money comes from and how united is so your opinion really, and these are questions that are definitely on the table and also presidents. the lens key, of course, is still in touch with the united states. he talked to yesterday during the press conference about a possible meeting that could take place on day between him and president trump. and we also know that behind a close stores, they're still negotiating about those rare earth, those valuable and natural resources that resources that ukraine is offering to the united states. thank you so much. that is currently not true. more for us in t of we're turning out our top story with the german elections breathing new life into the german economy will be a focal point of coalition talks after voters said that it was one of their top issues. high cost and growing uncertainty have racked the country since the

beginning of the war and ukraine in 2022, europe largest economy has shrunk over the past 2 years, and the job losses are mounting. business groups are pushing for less bureaucracy and more competitive energy and labor costs. i'd like to turn now to veronica grim, a member of the german council of economic experts. that's an academic body that's set up by german law to offer impartial advice on economic policy. welcome up. first. do you see a conservative led at government breathing new life into the german economy? yeah, good morning. um i hope so. um, but i think it will be very difficult to listen negotiations. um, like pay me, we have an electron outcome where on the 2 parties i need it on the collision. but uh there is a menu falls off challenges. um we have to do to how can i make measures to

bring by close? um, we have to address migration and security issues and foreign policy and defense issues . i'm very quickly a given the geopolitical situation. and so i think they just don't have much time to come to college and agreement. so what exactly is needed for germany to get over it's economic crisis. i mean, when economists speak about the need for structural reforms, what does that actually look like? that is not as easy as at the beginning of the century in the beginning of the century, labor market reforms west sufficient to bring back growth to germany, but now it's much more so the increasing social security expenses. so the costs of the social security system has to be addressed. we have to decrease texas and not have to foster gross given especially that's many of the countries in the union have a decrease corporate taxes. and also the us is planning to do so even more. and then

um there is a need to gets to inefficient cost efficient energy policy. that's the addresses of the climate issues, never rest. so that's the broad spectrum off telling just for a new government. i mean a lot of different competing needs and interest there. how, how difficult is it to convince politicians and also the people who are voting for them to take some of that short term economic pain and exchange for what might be long term gain. i think the challenges actually are to the politicians for a long time, but it is, it's very difficult to convince voters that it is really necessary to act. um, so uh what would be, particularly in hobbs, would be to bring down costs of the social security. a system, of course, that's a very unpopular but i think mattress urgently need it. but in particular, in order to increase defense spending. so we need to increase defense spending and

a to spend the money also here more efficiently. so i think we have to convince voters to do this. this will be tough to be done by re ordering the drum and budget a to a to logics tense because these are long term use which cannot be addressed only by foot. run that. thank you so much for joining us today. that is professor veronica grim with the german council of economic experts. thank you. and that is our show. you been watching the news from berlin. we have more news headlines. and the latest analysis on our website at dw dot com or you can find us on social media to are handled. there is at dw use. clare richardson in berlin. thanks so much for watching. the

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